HIEROGLYPHS ARE NOT MOSTLY LOGOGRAPHIC. This is one of the most pervasive myths surrounding them; the hieroglyphic writing system is mostly phonetic, with some ideographic elements. That house hieroglyph? Yes, it can simply represent a house, but it can also represent the syllable "pr," that is, how "house" sounded in Egyptian - same kind of principle that was applied in proto-Sinaitic, just using Egyptian words instead of Western Semitic ones. The water hieroglyph? Yes it can mean water, but more often it means the sound "n". The little man? Yes, it can mean person... or it can make the sound "i". This myth that Hieroglyphs were logographic stifled decipherment efforts for over a thousand years after they fell out of use, because the majority of people trying to figure out whet they said were trying to figure out codes that weren't there instead of learning the Egyptian language. Also, the Hieratic script is not a simpler alternative to the Hieroglyphic script, in fact it largely uses variations of the same symbols, it's simply a more abstracted form easier to write freehand. I have two videos about the decipherment of Hieroglyphs on my channel, as well as one discussing the origins of the Alphabet that goes over how Hieroglyphs became Proto-Sinaitic, and how Proto-Sinaitic eventually developed into the Latin Alphabet, if anyone wants to learn more.
Same thing is true of Chinese hanzi and Japanese kanji... they have a very strong and underappreciated phonetic core. Of course the elements and radicals are used for semantic emphasis, but the core of the system is phonetic. Noticed the same thing is true for Mayan glyphs! A phonetic core may be a characteristic of several major writing systems frequently described as picto/logographic.
@@stereomachine You are right, it's definitely not consistent! But hanzji/kanji do have a strong phonetic component. In Japanese they call them, "keisei moji". If you Google it and click on the top link, there's a good article on them! It mentions that at least 80% of Kanji use keisei moji. The introductory kanji are usually not phonetic, but the complicated ones often are. I don't know Egyptian hieroglyphic/phonetics very well, but recently learned that Mayan glyphs also often use glyphs phonetically! I think maybe it's just a useful and practical way to extend a picto/logographic writing system to cover more and more of a spoken language.
@@stereomachine you are absolutely right that it's not easy to reliably pronounce kanji! But they do still have a strong phonetic component. A lot of scholars undervalue this phonetic aspect and focus on the semantic meaning of elements and radicals... perhaps because they appear picto/logographic.
Yes symbols are different from languages that are written and spoken, a system and comprehensive, a lot of people don’t differentiate, symbols can be found anywhere at anytime.
@@zejugames5045 But it doesn’t make it a real language, maybe the early phases and just interpretations of what the symbols sound like because it varied by individuals, not recorded proof.
It’s obvious as lndus is the native script and older, unique and not even as similar to others. Likely colonial claims and still in that phase, but I’m sure phonecian influenced many.
Indus script is undeciphered so it is impossible to say if the structure of the system shares any similarities with Brahmi. Brahmi does have similar shapes to phonecian letters, abugidas can easily be made from abjads, and Brahmi was created after aramaic expanded.
@alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696 Brahmi is our native writing system, it has nothing to do with Aramaic. These colonials will do everything to make their religious timeline, the correct one.
Today the Philippines doesn't use the Baybayin script officially anymore, we use them only for merch purposes (cause they look good in shirts and signs 😁)
It's a common mistake that vowels matter less in Semitic languages. It's just the way things happened. The Canaanites already got used to write without vowels and Greeks weren't committed to that system. We are stuck to this day with a bad system in Hebrew because of this
the concept of short vowels always confuses many of those western channels i don't know why. plus, abjad ISNOT just consonants its long vowels and consonants
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@@rowantharwat9195 Well, pure abjad includes only consonants. Later abjads include matres lectionis
don't you have movements to represent vowel letters like in arabic?
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@@adonisarmanazi5346 Yes, they are used for both vowels and consonants. What a mess. In Arabic they are used for the long vowels. In Hebrew it's even messier
Chinese is not related to the original Egyptian that evolve a Phonecian and Latin and Aramaic alphabet and so on, but even Japanese (hiragana/katakana) is not random and came from Chinese script. 利 (li) became り (ri), and 以 (yi) became い (i). There's a theory that the Korean Hangeul was inspired by the Mongolian Phags-pa script. If that theory turns out to be true (as well as the Indian Brahmi script from Aramaic) then Korean Hangeul would also be related to the other evolved alphabets mentioned in the video.
the indic influence on japanese culture is not talked about much. there's linguistic evidence of contact with theravada buddism in modern japanese. 寺 for example is pronounced as tera, a borrowing from pali. the gojuon ordering of japanese kana is also directly from the brahmic ordering.
I don't know why Korean Alphabet Hangeul was inspired by Phacspa letters theory hold ground. Dude, the king who personally made the new letter system wrote an instruction manual that describes how he came to invent them. He specifically wrote he made the consonants by replicating the oral structure when the each said letter was pronounced and he made vowels based of off symbolic traits of Chinese philosophy. He never once mentions this Phagspa letters in this manual, and the only word in the entire book some historians speculate it to be the vague alludement of the connection between the two is merely a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the English scholars...
@@paulhan1615 While that's mostly true, there are some deprecated (like ㆍ) or not entirely anatomically explained letters/markers. Wikipedia says "Although it is widely assumed that King Sejong ordered the Hall of Worthies to invent Hangul, contemporary records such as the Veritable Records of King Sejong and Jeong Inji's preface to the Hunminjeongeum Haerye emphasize that he invented it himself" - meaning a possible influence outside of King Sejong himself (although unlikely) cannot be ruled out.
Brahmi of indian subcontinent is not derived from Phonecian/Aramaic. Possible influence, maybe. Brahmi is largely derived from Indus script which was simplified over the course of many centuries during the vedic period.
You can’t even read Indus script so how can you make this absurd claim? Shang dynasty script is clearly the ancestor of modern Han writing, many characters can even be read by modern Chinese. You can’t say this about Indus Script.
@@nomanor7987 Because there are too many symbols and very few inscriptions. Most of the things we have a just small words on the stamp signs with the bulls. There are no long texts or scrolls…if there were we would easily be able to decipher it by common repeated words
@@nomanor7987 because a good big rosetta stone with that script hasen't been found yet be it phonecian or eygyptian alphabet the only way to decipher them to feed the computer large amounts of input data from the stone, which hasen't been the case with indus script But one day we will find a rosetta stone for indus script also
The Eritrean/Ethiopian Ge'ez script doesn't descend from the phoenician script, but from the Old-South-Arabian, which derived from the Proto-Sinaitic, which was actually an ancestor from the proto-kanaanitic script, from which then the phoenician script has derived.
The Armenian and Georgian scripts were not derived from the Greek alphabet! There is some speculation among scholars that Mesrop Mashtots, the creator of the Armenian alphabet, may have been inspired by Greek, but even this is very unsure as there is hardly any ressemblance between either Armenian or Georgian and Greek (aside from letters borrowed later on like Ֆ for "F"). The only real similarity is in the order of the letters! In any case, your description is very misleading - you describe those alphabets as if they just naturally branched off from Greek... both were intentionally (and separately) created in the 5th century so as to translate the Bible into both Armenian and Georgian.
@@westrim Both the Syriac and Greek versions were used for the Armenian translation. I'm sure that both inspired Mashtots, but there's a big difference between alphabets being *inspired* by others and *deriving* from others. As I already pointed out, the last one implies that they either sort of just naturally developed, or are so close to the supposed origin alphabet that it is obvious to anyone with eyes (think Latin, Cyrillic, Greek...) - neither is the case with the Armenian and Georgian scripts.
Georgian and Armenian don't look like Greek alphabet, but are based on it, the order of letters implies this (as you also pointed out). Creators of Georgian and Armenian alphabets definitely used Greek, maybe they used other alphabets too (some say the Georgian alphabet was also influenced by Gothic alphabet).
The local script present in the indian subcontinent was indus script therefore it is obvious that brahmi will descend from indus script. The Phoenician script was created much later than indus script and brahmi script
The “Lairdship” is just a novelty and a bit of fun. It’s a loophole in Scottish law that doesn’t confer any actual benefit. It’s the tree planting that’s the real reason for checking it out.
actually runic writing is alot older than alot of the writing systems, its been shown to exist on every corner of the planet on very ancient artifacts, makes me wonder how much of this is garbled history. Theres also a theory that the writing system we have that was passed down is a combination of the different zodiac signs being split into two to form 2 different letters, seems to check out.
Mesrop Mashtots created the Armenian alphabet in Jerusalem. Amharic and Armenian were created around the same time before Greek even. If you look at Amharic and Armenian alphabets they are almost identical
I was wondering, isn't odia just like a cousin of Bangla, almost mutually intelligible. I was really interested (and still am) on linguistics and I am Bengali- American. I know a second language which is Bangla but I actually really don't know it, so I tried learning to read it and I researched a lot about it's history and culture and many other things. I learned its a descendant of Sanskrit and its related to many languages and dialects all over Bengal like Assamese and Odia, I wanted to research other similar dialects/ languages and found I could almost fully understand Odia and I'm not amazing in Bangla. I just thought it's very interesting. It sounds similar to the way I think when I hear old English. It's not even that close to Bangladesh physically but I can understand the language somewhat
@@TestTubeBaba At least listen to some Bangla, can't you understand it? I searched up Odia language on UA-cam and I'm surprised I can understand almost fully
The “Lairdship” is just a novelty and a bit of fun. It’s a loophole in Scottish law that doesn’t confer any actual benefit. It’s the tree planting that’s the real reason for checking it out.
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This might just be one of the only good cases for hyperdiffusionism. Its amazing how efficient humans are at moving around ideas, even deep in the past.
It's pretty obvious that it's not.. The entire point is YOU get to buy a piece of land in Scotland, then it gets filled with trees and thats it! It's literally just a more business-y TeamTrees.
Some South Indians claim that southern Brahmi (called Tamil Brahmi) came first cause its recorded as early as 500s BC while Northern Brahmi (Ashokan Brahmi) comes up 2 centuries later. The south did also trade with the Middle East during that time so there’s a possibility that Brahmi did arrive in India but by sea rather than by land
They’re both native and different from others globally, it’s not possible because they’re older, the literacy in the middle or a large portion of the Middle East was among the last to develop, look up the maps.
? Hanguel scripts history is very well known though. It was made by Joseon King Sejong and is a nearly a completely original writing system. It was created in a way for idiots to learn and the looks of the blocks are because for Koreans thats what the sound of your mouth makes
Most of the world's alphabets, yeah, but over 20% of the people in the world use systems that are in no way related to your point. At least you admitted it and moved swiftly on. What even is the point, then.
That's why they teached me how to write essays in school for 5 years, so I could explain what I'm talking about if I had to say something. This is clearly not the case with you.
Great video... It's explain a lot... But you have one mistake... The Hebrew language ( the original letters called "ashurit") Have been here way before aramic and Acadian languages and letters... Because the Jewish people were the ones that use Hebrew and they been alive way before the acadians and aramic. But they never used the Hebrew language out of their holy places because it was a holly language for them and they aren't allowed to teach anyone who wasn't a Jew this holy language. Outside of their holy places they used the native languages that surrounded them, But in their holy places they speak only Hebrew (ashurit).
At 7:00 you mentioned “China and by extension Korea and Japan.” I cant wait to hear what the Koreans and Japanese think about being called extensions of China.
@@dhimankalita1690 Have you examined your caste system, it's been going for a few thousand years. Skin tone, or race as people say now, is a big part of it. Everybody can read about this with the internet now.
@@joebloggs396 yes I'm indian i know about the caste system. Do you know we have reservation for socially marginalised caste and we r living in 21st century modern india? Do you know when will europeans return us our historical artifacts paintings statues back that they stole?
8:33 *you forgot to mention 🇮🇳Gujarati (ગુજરાતી) & 🇮🇳Punjabi’s Gurmukhi (ਪੰਜਾਬੀ) - even though they’ve got far more speakers than 🇧🇹Tibetan.* 8:37 *…and in the South, you forgot to mention 🇮🇳Malayalam (മലയാളം) - even though it has far more speakers than 🇱🇰Sinhala (and Malayalam has almost similar number of speakers as Kannada).* 8:44 *…and in SE Asia, you forgot to mention 🇱🇦Lao (ພາສາລາວ) - even though it is an Official Script of a country!!*
Just in the last month i.e. July 2024 a discovery has come about in Keeladi, an archaeological site in Tamilnadu in Southern India where a potsherd dated to 6th century BCE has the Tamil letter "ta". Now Persians occupied parts around Indus river only in 6th century BCE, from which you have your theory that this transmitted the Phoenician script which influenced Brahmi script. But how will it reach deep in South India and that too on a pot sherd, not some regal inscription. The fact that it's on a potsherd indicates that the script was in common usage, even a potter was literate, which means the script had been in circulation for a long period of time. See as new discoveries emerge all these fanciful notions of Western dissemination of script, language, astronomy etc will get punctured. Unfortunately in India archaeology is complicated because many potential sites are populated cities and also the media used to record knowledge, writing etc like parchments, bark etc easily get destroyed.
Brahmi is without any doubt ultimately derived from the same Semitic script used by the Phoenicians (mainly from the daughter Aramaic script, but with influence from the later Greek and Phoenician scripts). I've written a paper on it which has been peer reviewed and due for publication soon. It is entitled "The hybrid origin of Brahmi script from Aramaic, Phoenician and Greek letters". Please check it out as it conclusively answers the controversy.
The t-shirts for Cyrillic have characters like е, у, х, щ, ы, ь, ъ wrong. е is ye. у is oo. х is h. щ is shch. ы is ui. ь makes the letter before softer. And ъ makes the letter before harder.
Is there some sort of website with a list of all languages with examples of their letters. I’m trying to find translate a certain language but I don’t know what it is written in, but it looks related to Brahmi
Ooh I actually knew about this one lol! 😄 Thank you for the nicely in depth exploration of the topic. I would enjoy future episodes on the language families and their origins! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
@@francine13 From Egyptian to Proto-Sinaitic script to Phoenician script to Aramaic script to Brahmi script to Tamil-Brahmi script to Pallava script to Kawi script to Baybayin to
Musnad script omitted. As expected the actual oldest alphabet, seeing how it literally started the whole thing and is what Protosemitic uses for reconstruction.
"Georgian scripts are unique in their appearance and their exact origin has never been established" (Wikipedia) Georgian script isn't a branch of Greek, that's wrong. The order of the alphabet does correspond with the Greek one, but the SCRIPT itself is not a Greek derivative.
@@dalitnahipehlehinduhu6569 yes South Indian Langauges belongs to Dravidian Family and Indian origin languages and they hav their own Indegenous script different from rest of the world 🙏
Just because you're a mutant who can taste a molecule that's present in both soap and cilantro does not mean you have to ban it for those who are not bothered by it.
The Canaanites invented proto-Sinaitic due to their economic relations with Egypt. There's no compelling evidence the Phoenicians had any involvement in its invention. Phoenician script may have STANDARDIZED the alphabet in about the 11th century. Prior to that, you could read bottom to top, left to right, right to left. After the 11th century your would read top to bottom, right to left. But this Phoenicians inventing the alphabet is one of these persistent myths that even a lot of scholars spout without knowing why.
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Why is the writing upside down?
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Established titles is a scam and you should look into them.
Bruh why you gotta bring up established titles?
Shoutout to the Phoenicians for spitting their culture across the whole Mediterranean and Middle East
And South Asia.
They sure can spit alright
The Phonecians: the most influential culture most people haven't heard of
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"Now the Phoenicians can get down to business"
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Dude, the amount of love and effort you've put on this video is worthy of my most sincere respect. Thank you very much
HIEROGLYPHS ARE NOT MOSTLY LOGOGRAPHIC. This is one of the most pervasive myths surrounding them; the hieroglyphic writing system is mostly phonetic, with some ideographic elements. That house hieroglyph? Yes, it can simply represent a house, but it can also represent the syllable "pr," that is, how "house" sounded in Egyptian - same kind of principle that was applied in proto-Sinaitic, just using Egyptian words instead of Western Semitic ones. The water hieroglyph? Yes it can mean water, but more often it means the sound "n". The little man? Yes, it can mean person... or it can make the sound "i". This myth that Hieroglyphs were logographic stifled decipherment efforts for over a thousand years after they fell out of use, because the majority of people trying to figure out whet they said were trying to figure out codes that weren't there instead of learning the Egyptian language. Also, the Hieratic script is not a simpler alternative to the Hieroglyphic script, in fact it largely uses variations of the same symbols, it's simply a more abstracted form easier to write freehand. I have two videos about the decipherment of Hieroglyphs on my channel, as well as one discussing the origins of the Alphabet that goes over how Hieroglyphs became Proto-Sinaitic, and how Proto-Sinaitic eventually developed into the Latin Alphabet, if anyone wants to learn more.
Same thing is true of Chinese hanzi and Japanese kanji... they have a very strong and underappreciated phonetic core. Of course the elements and radicals are used for semantic emphasis, but the core of the system is phonetic.
Noticed the same thing is true for Mayan glyphs! A phonetic core may be a characteristic of several major writing systems frequently described as picto/logographic.
@@stereomachine You are right, it's definitely not consistent! But hanzji/kanji do have a strong phonetic component. In Japanese they call them, "keisei moji". If you Google it and click on the top link, there's a good article on them! It mentions that at least 80% of Kanji use keisei moji. The introductory kanji are usually not phonetic, but the complicated ones often are.
I don't know Egyptian hieroglyphic/phonetics very well, but recently learned that Mayan glyphs also often use glyphs phonetically! I think maybe it's just a useful and practical way to extend a picto/logographic writing system to cover more and more of a spoken language.
@@stereomachine you are absolutely right that it's not easy to reliably pronounce kanji! But they do still have a strong phonetic component. A lot of scholars undervalue this phonetic aspect and focus on the semantic meaning of elements and radicals... perhaps because they appear picto/logographic.
Yes symbols are different from languages that are written and spoken, a system and comprehensive, a lot of people don’t differentiate, symbols can be found anywhere at anytime.
@@zejugames5045 But it doesn’t make it a real language, maybe the early phases and just interpretations of what the symbols sound like because it varied by individuals, not recorded proof.
Origin of Brahmi from phonecian scrip is a disputed theory and many claim it to be originated from indus script.
yeah he mentions that
It’s obvious as lndus is the native script and older, unique and not even as similar to others. Likely colonial claims and still in that phase, but I’m sure phonecian influenced many.
Indus script is undeciphered so it is impossible to say if the structure of the system shares any similarities with Brahmi. Brahmi does have similar shapes to phonecian letters, abugidas can easily be made from abjads, and Brahmi was created after aramaic expanded.
He... Quite literally said that in the video.
@@Uulfinnbrahmi was likely a created script designed after studying aramaic
All Asian writing systems: "Understandable, have a great day."
Not just Asia, basically all alphabetical scripts in Europe, Africa and Asia (excluding Chinese, Japanese and Korean)
also related, through brahmi. besides sinitic of course.
@alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696 Brahmi is our native writing system, it has nothing to do with Aramaic. These colonials will do everything to make their religious timeline, the correct one.
Today the Philippines doesn't use the Baybayin script officially anymore, we use them only for merch purposes (cause they look good in shirts and signs 😁)
దాంట్లో నవ్వడానికి ఏముంది?
@@ashaypallav4158 ಏನೂ ಇಲ್ಲ, ಅದು ನಿಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಏಕೆ ಕೆರಳಿಸುತ್ತದೆ?
Shame. Asian languages look hideous in Latin script.
@@ashaypallav4158 ᜄᜎᜒᜆ᜔ ᜃ?
It's a common mistake that vowels matter less in Semitic languages. It's just the way things happened. The Canaanites already got used to write without vowels and Greeks weren't committed to that system. We are stuck to this day with a bad system in Hebrew because of this
the concept of short vowels always confuses many of those western channels i don't know why. plus, abjad ISNOT just consonants its long vowels and consonants
@@rowantharwat9195 Well, pure abjad includes only consonants. Later abjads include matres lectionis
don't you have movements to represent vowel letters like in arabic?
@@adonisarmanazi5346 Yes, they are used for both vowels and consonants. What a mess. In Arabic they are used for the long vowels. In Hebrew it's even messier
@ I am thankful for my ancestors for abugidas because they represent almost all phonemes aptly.
Chinese is not related to the original Egyptian that evolve a Phonecian and Latin and Aramaic alphabet and so on, but even Japanese (hiragana/katakana) is not random and came from Chinese script. 利 (li) became り (ri), and 以 (yi) became い (i). There's a theory that the Korean Hangeul was inspired by the Mongolian Phags-pa script. If that theory turns out to be true (as well as the Indian Brahmi script from Aramaic) then Korean Hangeul would also be related to the other evolved alphabets mentioned in the video.
I think what he meant that Han ji is unrelated to Aramaic(which is the focus of this video) it's not talking about.
the indic influence on japanese culture is not talked about much. there's linguistic evidence of contact with theravada buddism in modern japanese. 寺 for example is pronounced as tera, a borrowing from pali.
the gojuon ordering of japanese kana is also directly from the brahmic ordering.
I don't know why Korean Alphabet Hangeul was inspired by Phacspa letters theory hold ground. Dude, the king who personally made the new letter system wrote an instruction manual that describes how he came to invent them. He specifically wrote he made the consonants by replicating the oral structure when the each said letter was pronounced and he made vowels based of off symbolic traits of Chinese philosophy. He never once mentions this Phagspa letters in this manual, and the only word in the entire book some historians speculate it to be the vague alludement of the connection between the two is merely a mistranslation and misinterpretation of the English scholars...
@@paulhan1615 While that's mostly true, there are some deprecated (like ㆍ) or not entirely anatomically explained letters/markers.
Wikipedia says "Although it is widely assumed that King Sejong ordered the Hall of Worthies to invent Hangul, contemporary records such as the Veritable Records of King Sejong and Jeong Inji's preface to the Hunminjeongeum Haerye emphasize that he invented it himself" - meaning a possible influence outside of King Sejong himself (although unlikely) cannot be ruled out.
Nah it's unlikely. By the time writing systems got to central Asia, china would have already spread it to korea
Brahmi of indian subcontinent is not derived from Phonecian/Aramaic. Possible influence, maybe. Brahmi is largely derived from Indus script which was simplified over the course of many centuries during the vedic period.
You can’t even read Indus script so how can you make this absurd claim? Shang dynasty script is clearly the ancestor of modern Han writing, many characters can even be read by modern Chinese. You can’t say this about Indus Script.
@@nomanor7987 no. But many of the Indus script symbols are similar to the brahmi ones
@@theisheep2676 they are? Then one wonders why the Indus Valley Script is still not deciphered.
@@nomanor7987 Because there are too many symbols and very few inscriptions. Most of the things we have a just small words on the stamp signs with the bulls. There are no long texts or scrolls…if there were we would easily be able to decipher it by common repeated words
@@nomanor7987 because a good big rosetta stone with that script hasen't been found yet
be it phonecian or eygyptian alphabet the only way to decipher them to feed the computer large amounts of input data from the stone, which hasen't been the case with indus script
But one day we will find a rosetta stone for indus script also
The Eritrean/Ethiopian Ge'ez script doesn't descend from the phoenician script, but from the Old-South-Arabian, which derived from the Proto-Sinaitic, which was actually an ancestor from the proto-kanaanitic script, from which then the phoenician script has derived.
Interesting,since i memorized Latin,Arabic,and Cyrillic Scripts and also little bit of Javanese script myself.
I know latin, cyrillic, greek, and a bit of arabic.
Interesting 🤔
@@2wugs Yeah
I'm not the only one who learns scripts! 😄
@@darkalligraph Nice
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The Armenian and Georgian scripts were not derived from the Greek alphabet! There is some speculation among scholars that Mesrop Mashtots, the creator of the Armenian alphabet, may have been inspired by Greek, but even this is very unsure as there is hardly any ressemblance between either Armenian or Georgian and Greek (aside from letters borrowed later on like Ֆ for "F"). The only real similarity is in the order of the letters! In any case, your description is very misleading - you describe those alphabets as if they just naturally branched off from Greek... both were intentionally (and separately) created in the 5th century so as to translate the Bible into both Armenian and Georgian.
What language were they translating the Bible from?
Was it... Greek?
@@westrim Both the Syriac and Greek versions were used for the Armenian translation. I'm sure that both inspired Mashtots, but there's a big difference between alphabets being *inspired* by others and *deriving* from others. As I already pointed out, the last one implies that they either sort of just naturally developed, or are so close to the supposed origin alphabet that it is obvious to anyone with eyes (think Latin, Cyrillic, Greek...) - neither is the case with the Armenian and Georgian scripts.
@@adoberoots Ֆ DERIVED FROM 𐌚.
Georgian and Armenian don't look like Greek alphabet, but are based on it, the order of letters implies this (as you also pointed out). Creators of Georgian and Armenian alphabets definitely used Greek, maybe they used other alphabets too (some say the Georgian alphabet was also influenced by Gothic alphabet).
The local script present in the indian subcontinent was indus script therefore it is obvious that brahmi will descend from indus script. The Phoenician script was created much later than indus script and brahmi script
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The “Lairdship” is just a novelty and a bit of fun. It’s a loophole in Scottish law that doesn’t confer any actual benefit. It’s the tree planting that’s the real reason for checking it out.
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Great video! Learned many new things from it.
Might want to do a bit more research into Established Titles. It is a scam.
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actually runic writing is alot older than alot of the writing systems, its been shown to exist on every corner of the planet on very ancient artifacts, makes me wonder how much of this is garbled history. Theres also a theory that the writing system we have that was passed down is a combination of the different zodiac signs being split into two to form 2 different letters, seems to check out.
unproven.
@@agalitev by whom do you put your blind faith of proof into
The runic alphabet may not necessarily have come from Etruscan but from more northerly italic tribes like the Veneti and the Rhaetians.
Mesrop Mashtots created the Armenian alphabet in Jerusalem. Amharic and Armenian were created around the same time before Greek even. If you look at Amharic and Armenian alphabets they are almost identical
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India's most scripts are called " Varna ".
No, Varnamala means the string of characters. Lipi denotes the script.
Varna means alphabets in hindi script is called lipi in hindi
I've been meaning to make an entire map that shows this but never got around to it :(
Consider this video your reminder/motivation!
I'm really glad that you mentioned my languages Telugu (తెలుగు) & Odia (ଓଡ଼ିଆ) ❤️
This is a fascinating thing to ponder over.
Love to everyone!
I was wondering, isn't odia just like a cousin of Bangla, almost mutually intelligible. I was really interested (and still am) on linguistics and I am Bengali- American. I know a second language which is Bangla but I actually really don't know it, so I tried learning to read it and I researched a lot about it's history and culture and many other things. I learned its a descendant of Sanskrit and its related to many languages and dialects all over Bengal like Assamese and Odia, I wanted to research other similar dialects/ languages and found I could almost fully understand Odia and I'm not amazing in Bangla. I just thought it's very interesting. It sounds similar to the way I think when I hear old English. It's not even that close to Bangladesh physically but I can understand the language somewhat
@@ahnafj416 Many words are similar in several Indian languages. Although, not really knowledgeable when it comes to the origin and all.
@@TestTubeBaba At least listen to some Bangla, can't you understand it? I searched up Odia language on UA-cam and I'm surprised I can understand almost fully
@@ahnafj416 of course I can xD except for the extremely detailed and specific words, basic sentences are very easy to understand
Fantastic as usual
How did you comment before the video was uploaded
@@reed-l-fisch They’re a patron
That makes sense
0:48 ESTABLISHED TITLES IS A SCAM!!!!
DO NOT GO TO THIS WEBSITE!!!
The “Lairdship” is just a novelty and a bit of fun. It’s a loophole in Scottish law that doesn’t confer any actual benefit. It’s the tree planting that’s the real reason for checking it out.
@@tobirates916 It's a scam, most youtubers acknowledged the same. Some youtubers are dropping future sponsership. Check Scott Shafer video.
Bengali is not a script. The name of the Script is "Eastern Nagari". It is used in Assamese and a few other languages as well.
It's called Kamrupi script
the Gay Street part got me
Giorgio Tsokalous answered:
"Of course, the extraterrestrial has taught our ancestors long ago."
0:07 the most cursed street and place to go.
A 2017 study by O'Connor et al. shows that men demonstrate more homophobic behavior when they are insecure about their masculinity.
Researchers used a scale known as the "precarious manhood score." When subjects experienced a threat towards their sense of masculinity, those whose score rose demonstrated a propensity to find jokes funnier if the joke was at the expense of women or gay men. The research team theorizes that this serves as a defense mechanism to reassure oneself of his own manhood. The effect can occur in both straight and gay men.
Have a blessed day :)
@@teehee4096"theorizes"
This might just be one of the only good cases for hyperdiffusionism. Its amazing how efficient humans are at moving around ideas, even deep in the past.
All hail Lord KhAnubis of Scotland!
Lord Khanubis banneth the devil's cilantro. All hail parsley, the lord's lettuce
def those tshirts are the fastest way to look like a target while travelling🤣
You skipped the part where the Aramaic script becomes the square Hebrew script
Huge historical and Christian moment
Great video!
establsihed titles is a scam
should be: *"Lang lebe die große khanubische Republik", at 5:20
Established Titles is a scam, do not buy
It's pretty obvious that it's not.. The entire point is YOU get to buy a piece of land in Scotland, then it gets filled with trees and thats it! It's literally just a more business-y TeamTrees.
@@Straline. they dont plant the trees and you dont get the land or the title of lord. It's all bullshit
@@LakeGameCreepr then why tf is lord on my credit card now hmmm?
Some South Indians claim that southern Brahmi (called Tamil Brahmi) came first cause its recorded as early as 500s BC while Northern Brahmi (Ashokan Brahmi) comes up 2 centuries later. The south did also trade with the Middle East during that time so there’s a possibility that Brahmi did arrive in India but by sea rather than by land
Yep
You guys still believe in that fake North-south divide? Grow up people!
200 years is not a big difference
@@_Mohit_Joshithere is indeed a linguistic divide
They’re both native and different from others globally, it’s not possible because they’re older, the literacy in the middle or a large portion of the Middle East was among the last to develop, look up the maps.
It is true the Old Greek Script inspired the Old Georgian And Armenian Scripts But The New One Is Fresh And Different
Yeah thats what i thought too, wasnt nuskhuri the one that was inspire by greek? mkhedruli being totally original?
@@anegg84 Nah, asomtavruli was inspired by Greek, than it developed into nuskhuri and nuskhuri developed into mkhedruli (modern alphabet).
Shout-out to Africa for spreading it's writing systems!
It was thr Egyptians and phoenecians, not the subsaharans though. Two COMPLETELY different peoples
@@rehangarg4869 video has some mistakes
First alphabets didn't originate or influenced from Egypt but from Mesopotamia!
@@rehangarg4869 still africans
Thank you for this video. But according to what I know, Vietnam didn't use alphabet after European empire but during french protectorate
It has always been there since Alexander de Rhodes but it wasn’t official until around 1920s.
@@gambitacio yep I read more about that too. Apparently it's Portuguese first. But anyway it's not after the french 🤭
Great video.
There are not much evidence on Indian Brahmi and Korean Hangeul script for now there are only hypothesis on their origins.
? Hanguel scripts history is very well known though. It was made by Joseon King Sejong and is a nearly a completely original writing system. It was created in a way for idiots to learn and the looks of the blocks are because for Koreans thats what the sound of your mouth makes
Now the Phoenicians can get down to business 🎶
Most of the world's alphabets, yeah, but over 20% of the people in the world use systems that are in no way related to your point. At least you admitted it and moved swiftly on. What even is the point, then.
the majority use related alphabets from the Aramaic phoenicians there is nothing wrong with that. Japanese and korean come from china so?
The better question, what is even your point?
That's why they teached me how to write essays in school for 5 years, so I could explain what I'm talking about if I had to say something. This is clearly not the case with you.
Great video...
It's explain a lot...
But you have one mistake...
The Hebrew language ( the original letters called "ashurit")
Have been here way before aramic and Acadian languages and letters...
Because the Jewish people were the ones that use Hebrew and they been alive way before the acadians and aramic.
But they never used the Hebrew language out of their holy places because it was a holly language for them and they aren't allowed to teach anyone who wasn't a Jew this holy language.
Outside of their holy places they used the native languages that surrounded them,
But in their holy places they speak only Hebrew (ashurit).
My noble Lord: I you come down on the same side of the cilantro issue as me.
shoutout to Gay St.
At 7:00 you mentioned “China and by extension Korea and Japan.” I cant wait to hear what the Koreans and Japanese think about being called extensions of China.
Well yeah their scripts were inherited from China
Because it hard truth
Japan, South Korea and Vietnam are all under the influence of ancient China, and their ancient books are all written in Chinese characters.
Sinosphere
Korea and Japan used the Chinese script for most of their histories.
Weird Indian nationalists "there were no foreign influences, it developed among our superior people!"
Weird western seethers "you know pyramids were build by white Europeans we r kangz n sheit"
@@dhimankalita1690 Only Indians would call Egyptians western, presumably under some Indian race theories.
@@joebloggs396 Europeans who invented race concept to feel superior accusing Indians of using race..u r a funny dude for sure
@@dhimankalita1690 Have you examined your caste system, it's been going for a few thousand years. Skin tone, or race as people say now, is a big part of it. Everybody can read about this with the internet now.
@@joebloggs396 yes I'm indian i know about the caste system. Do you know we have reservation for socially marginalised caste and we r living in 21st century modern india?
Do you know when will europeans return us our historical artifacts paintings statues back that they stole?
My man Established titles is a scam. Please do your research while you did for this video before promoting sponsors.
5:36
Totally not being proud since it happened in Bulgaria
8:47 Baybayin is pronounced like buy-buy-in not bye-bye-yin
8:33 *you forgot to mention 🇮🇳Gujarati (ગુજરાતી) & 🇮🇳Punjabi’s Gurmukhi (ਪੰਜਾਬੀ) - even though they’ve got far more speakers than 🇧🇹Tibetan.*
8:37 *…and in the South, you forgot to mention 🇮🇳Malayalam (മലയാളം) - even though it has far more speakers than 🇱🇰Sinhala (and Malayalam has almost similar number of speakers as Kannada).*
8:44 *…and in SE Asia, you forgot to mention 🇱🇦Lao (ພາສາລາວ) - even though it is an Official Script of a country!!*
Tibetian isnt anywhere close to Mandarin.
Tibetian isnt chinese.
@@thebestevertherewas bro he does have not Tibetan flag in emoji section
@@runajain5773 he looks high
@@thebestevertherewas why you Pajeets starts crying nowhere?
as an Indonesian i wanna give a little correction. At 7:10 that script in Indonesia is not called "Balinese" but its called "Javanese"
Hanacaraka kararontol haturnuhun
No, that's Balinese. Javanese is separate but extremely similar.
My main languages are Hindi and Bengali and I mostly like to combine English sentences with both languages
So you talk like "Namasto, My naam Banerjee ho, mujhe like rosgulla"
@@im-moralNo, this seems weird. There are much more complex nuances.
@@arnavranka4510 jk, it a jk
Do a t-shirt for Old Mongol Script! 😅
Ah yes just what i needed to watch while I eat pizza.
I used to eat salami and other Italian cured meats while watching cam models.
True man of culture
East Asia stronk
Just in the last month i.e. July 2024 a discovery has come about in Keeladi, an archaeological site in Tamilnadu in Southern India where a potsherd dated to 6th century BCE has the Tamil letter "ta".
Now Persians occupied parts around Indus river only in 6th century BCE, from which you have your theory that this transmitted the Phoenician script which influenced Brahmi script. But how will it reach deep in South India and that too on a pot sherd, not some regal inscription.
The fact that it's on a potsherd indicates that the script was in common usage, even a potter was literate, which means the script had been in circulation for a long period of time.
See as new discoveries emerge all these fanciful notions of Western dissemination of script, language, astronomy etc will get punctured. Unfortunately in India archaeology is complicated because many potential sites are populated cities and also the media used to record knowledge, writing etc like parchments, bark etc easily get destroyed.
For the record, Phoenician and Hebrew were/are the same language. They were no more distinct than modern-day geographical varieties of English.
“Devil’s Lettuce” = cilantro 😂
Over here some people call marihuana "cilantro ancho".
BAYBAYIN SHOUTOUT
I really would love a t-shirt with multiple writing systems on it.
Sinhala is related more closely to the North Indian languages.
Kalinga
Script is South indian most related to Tamil
Brahmi is without any doubt ultimately derived from the same Semitic script used by the Phoenicians (mainly from the daughter Aramaic script, but with influence from the later Greek and Phoenician scripts). I've written a paper on it which has been peer reviewed and due for publication soon. It is entitled "The hybrid origin of Brahmi script from Aramaic, Phoenician and Greek letters". Please check it out as it conclusively answers the controversy.
The paper is available on preprint sites if you Google the title. Thanks
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The t-shirts for Cyrillic have characters like е, у, х, щ, ы, ь, ъ wrong. е is ye. у is oo. х is h. щ is shch. ы is ui. ь makes the letter before softer. And ъ makes the letter before harder.
have you done a vid on the nbisidi script ?
Some says Korean writing system is influenced by Tibetan script.
Bob Lazar of AREA 51 said Alien writing inside UFO looks like Korean.
Is there some sort of website with a list of all languages with examples of their letters. I’m trying to find translate a certain language but I don’t know what it is written in, but it looks related to Brahmi
Try omniglot
Cyrillic E is pronounced /je/. The one that looks like the Euro sign is pronounced /e/.
Cool
Ooh I actually knew about this one lol! 😄 Thank you for the nicely in depth exploration of the topic. I would enjoy future episodes on the language families and their origins!
God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)
established titles is a confirmed scam fyi
1:11 Iowa 😳
Thank the countries that forced their ancestors to make them speak
“In linguistics terms, a word”
Linguistics, who can’t even determine what a word is: 😖
Baybayin is related to egyptian hieroglyphs, I just re re re learnt that now
How?
@@francine13
From
Egyptian
to
Proto-Sinaitic script
to
Phoenician script
to
Aramaic script
to
Brahmi script
to
Tamil-Brahmi script
to
Pallava script
to
Kawi script
to
Baybayin
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@@RickrollFoot that's just a theory, not proved tho.
@@RickrollFoot That's just a theory. It has been disputed by others.
Would the Romans be considered anti-Semitic since they fought the Carthaginians?
No
Yes
I don't think so.
Would jews be anti-semitic since they fought arabs?
Shower thought of the century.
Musnad script omitted. As expected
the actual oldest alphabet, seeing how it literally started the whole thing and is what Protosemitic uses for reconstruction.
Fun fact, established titles is a scam
Most is pretty much in the name!
3:06 those are consonants 🥲
The Indus Valley script looks so unnecessary complicated.
I like that baybayin in the beginning
Mesoamerican script is also independent that you didnt mention
"Georgian scripts are unique in their appearance and their exact origin has never been established" (Wikipedia)
Georgian script isn't a branch of Greek, that's wrong. The order of the alphabet does correspond with the Greek one, but the SCRIPT itself is not a Greek derivative.
any insights on the Dravidian languages and their history ?
Dravidian??!😆
@@dalitnahipehlehinduhu6569 yes South Indian Langauges belongs to Dravidian Family and Indian origin languages and they hav their own Indegenous script different from rest of the world 🙏
@@spidylov3382 dravidian means iranian rice farmer who occupied tribal lands
@@Saagar_Sahu lol Dravidian are native to South India 😂
@@Saagar_Sahu Iranian were Aryans not Dravidians 🙏
Nice
make a video about "how to say khanubis is the best youtuber in different languages"
In Irish it would be ‘is é Khanubis an UA-camr is maith’
カヌビスは最高ユーツーバです
khanubis सबसे अच्छा यूट्यूबर है
Just because you're a mutant who can taste a molecule that's present in both soap and cilantro does not mean you have to ban it for those who are not bothered by it.
Egypt ftw 🇪🇬
7:03 മലയാള എവിടെ മോനെ 🙄
The Canaanites invented proto-Sinaitic due to their economic relations with Egypt. There's no compelling evidence the Phoenicians had any involvement in its invention. Phoenician script may have STANDARDIZED the alphabet in about the 11th century. Prior to that, you could read bottom to top, left to right, right to left. After the 11th century your would read top to bottom, right to left. But this Phoenicians inventing the alphabet is one of these persistent myths that even a lot of scholars spout without knowing why.
Why did you write "clank" at around 8:20 for a fraction of a second?
Korean - not related with anyone else
id say we arabs say beet more than bet we elongate the e some time we say baet or beat depending on the context