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Viruses That Infect...Other Viruses? | Mysterious Pathogens
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2018
- You know that deadly viruses can wreak havoc on humans and animals-but did you know that some viruses can actually infect other...viruses? Join Hank Green for a new episode of SciShow and learn all about this mysterious new 'virusception' phenomenon.
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"These giant viruses are called..."
Cool I'm gonna learn a new word today
"...giant viruses"
Oh.
alternatively, giruses
@@CorporateMarineDRG or gigantovirus
Gigantovirology
Virus: im invincible, no one can infect me
Virophage: *hippity hoppity, your genetic replication machine is now my property*
Virus can't replicate there genes
@@pinkliongaming8769 It's like stealing a car somebody is in the process of stealing already.
@@damonedwards1544 oh
Other viral diseases:Nani?????!!!!
Damon Edwards Does that mean that they're bank robbers?
This was a perfect lesson about science. The other day my son suggested that a virus could be used to kill another virus, and I dismissed it, now he knows he was right.
Lance Carr And he’ll never let you forget it! Ha!
Wow. What a jerk
My mom used to tell me “you were right and I was wrong” in a sort of Robocop voice, id love to see that tradition continue.
Lesson about science, and perhaps about the intelligence of youth?😉
Don't get me wrong - I'm an "old lady mom" myself. I still remember that wonderful way of seeing the world with no boundaries when I was young, though. And people need BOTH in our societies - the ability to know what reality is and work hard within it while teaching the young about it, AND the ability of the young to see things with no boundaries, and therefore discover where those boundaries can be re-defined.
Kids. They're pretty awesome, huh?🥰👍
Congratulations Viruses, ya played ya self.
NintendoWolf Humans aren’t in a position to criticize, tbh.
Well, this is epic
3 Years and 2 comments lol
My favorite quote from now on- "Evolution just doesn't know when to quit"
Thank you Hank
Added to my favorite Hank quotes. Recent one being "Microbial mosh pit"
Virophage makes other viruses scramble for toilet paper
Everybody is looking at the coronavirus vs. virophages fight..
This there a video on that?
It has protein markers that matches up to hiv, hope it doesn’t mix.
Corona won
virus: hello friends! :D
humans: *all die*
virus: where did my friends go? :(
Coronavirus: *surprised Pikachu face*
For a while as a kid I was OBSESSED with the idea of viruses and how they reproduced (I was very into human biology in general at that point). I looked it up multiple times and told everyone who would listen how it works. I did my first research paper in 10th grade on viruses and I remember I read about this virus-infecting virus and mentioned it in my paper.
Hijacking the hijacker?
lordsponge10 time to lo jack the hijacker
Roy Hemion underrated comment lol
*Megavirus infects amoeba*
Megavirus: Okay, I'm in.
Virophage: Okay, I'm in.
Is the question "are viruses alive?" or "do we want to consider viruses to be alive?"
It's a semantic problem. You have to define "alive" somehow, and it's generally something like, "it eats stuff, and it reproduces."
Viruses do neither. Unless you count hijacking cell machinery as a form of reproduction. Which you, kinda could? That's what makes it hard to call them alive, but also kinda hard to call them not alive.
I prefer to just think of them like tiny zombies. They're undead.
pmcdirewolf eats stuff and reproduces applies to fire and crystal formation. It certainly isn't sufficient to fit what people think of as alive.
I mean, I'm obviously giving the super layman definition. "Eats stuff" meaning like a metabolic process that converts organic material into useful cell energy. And "reproduces" meaning the ability to produce offspring with your genetic material, typically either sexually or through a process like mitosis.
If you abstract the language out to the point where it has no technical meaning, yes, you could say a fire spreading or crystals growing _resembles_ an organism. But there's literally nothing in common. Fire is a chemical reaction that breaks down bonds among molecules that happens to release their electrical energy, a reaction which cascades due to the heat released. That's nothing like digestion or reproduction, which are way more complicated.
But no matter how technical you get, it's really hard to justify calling viruses alive. They just don't fit any good criteria for life outside of possessing DNA.
pmcdirewolf they reproduce, and they evolve. It's looking like some viruses evolved from cellular life, and it's also quite likely that cellular life evolved from viruses. And parasites can't reproduce or acquire food on their own, heck we can't survive without consuming other life.
Your description of the details of how cellular life functions is kind of irrelevant to what life itself means, and is both creating a circular logical argument, and would exclude something alien that acts like us but just uses different chemistry.
"the details of how cellular life functions is kind of irrelevant to what life itself means"
No, actually, according to the terms biologists use, what you just said _is what life is_ . If we one day discover alien life and understand its underlying chemistry as being utterly different to us, we'll make up new definitions.
Again, you're not understanding the semantic distinction. And you're being both overly literal and not technical with your definitions, which is perhaps the most pointless way to define anything. Which is how you came to the conclusion that the parasitic or human need to eat food is somehow equivalent to _not having a metabolism_ , as viruses don't.
Biologists define life a certain way. According to that definition, viruses aren't really alive. That definition is extremely technical to a degree that I, and presumably you, without a serious degree in Biology, have any ability to understand with _rigor_ beyond what just "feels" right.
Disagreeing with that definition is pointless without a merited reason as to _why_ . It's like insisting that Pluto should be a planet because it's a big round thing.
0:40 took me a second to realize the French researchers discovered the virus in the water tower and not that the researchers themselves were just hanging out inside a water tower.
Likely for a job. I mean having viruses in your drinking water is a considerable but not big deal
* incomprehensive measurement that means nothing to me *
Me: "Okay."
" ... and PANDORAVIRUSES are even bigger!"
Me: "Oh dang!"
accurate
Taste of your own _medicine_
I am super sorry
Put that gun down we are leaving this one
Just look at what you have done.
i mean, you *are* kinda right
That was clever lol
Striker You mean... Put that pun down.
We need to go deeper, we need a prion for viruses!
We need a prion for prions
Mohawkma Gandhi prison?
That's a brilliant idea!
Mohawkma Gandhi yes! how would that work? I don’t even know! BUT GOD DAMN IT I WANNA SEE IT!?
i think we have enough prions thank you.... prions are the scariest thing i can think of!
Bacteriophages:infect bacteria
Virophages:infect viruses
Me:They both are good viruses
Enemy of an enemy of my enemy is not my friend
Virophage aren't good they just steal something from a theft that lead to the same result
@@abdouaboud7490 oh
@@abdouaboud7490 true
As much as I understand computer viruses, I also understand that virophages have specific rules in their skill set:
1. A virophage can only be as effective as the virus that infects the host cell because they need the virus to infect the cells for the dna/rna transcription which they lack.
2. Because they are inherently smaller more virophages can be produced from a single cell than the number of units of a virus (1,000 units of a 100kb virus can be used to create 10,000 units of a 10kb virophage), meaning they can rapidly cause a virus to lose its effectiveness in a short time, with not much damage to the organism it infects.
3. When a virus is eradicated from a human system, the virophage can only infect the cells that still have the transcription systems. Due to its lack of subsystems within its method of operation unless it became a full blown virus by dramatically mutating with enough base pairs to construct its own transcription, it would not be possible for it to infect a human being. In other words: You can’t turn a hippopotamus into a whale overnight. It takes a long time to do (in the analogy for example, 55 million years of evolution).
Can we develop a virophage that specifically targets covid so that the pandemic is over?
@Anonymous We would either need to find a virus doing similar enough to start from, or know enough about RNA and DNA to write the code from scratch.
@@Alienami what about rabies virus can we use virophage to kill rabies virus
This video is about to go viral.
tz wow you were right
I see what you did here 🙌🏻🤙🏻
R/comedyheaven
welcome to the age of the corona
Did you know mitochondria used to be different organisms, and that's why they have different DNA from us?
seasong
Really never knew that
seasong 8legged wobbled nobyhobiye is my family
seasong Are you telling the SCIENCE show this?
Duhh, it's in the name ... Mito conned Ria
XxLuna GalaxyxX think of something dirty😉
I'll go wash the dished
So bacteriaphage and viralphage are going to be the new antivirals and antibiotics? Because that would be an amazing medical find
As soon as we can harvest these it'd be game changing as it'd delay the super-bug phenomenon by a long time while supporting our bodies probiotic systems.
Kind of yes, actually.
There's a lot of work looking into ways to kill bacterial infections by engineering viruses that could infect them. The field is still in its infancy, but it is a very exciting area of research.
can't wait for more neo-viruses outbreaks escapee from B4 labs in the future!
@@kaikart123 It is highly unlikely, nearing impossible, that bacteriaphages and virophages ever could infect other types of cells, even with gene editing and/selected evolution. Their make-up is just not designed nor intended, and thus doesn't bind in any meaningful way, with things so far removed from their tragets.
You're far better off worring about any of the hundreds of thousands or more other viruses and other pathogens that actually _could_ infect you.
@@scaper8 enjoy neo-viruses outbreaks in the future where they tell you the escapees are only harmless virophage and bacteriophage when in reality it's not.
Great! Now tell 'em about virusoids (circular RNA thingies, less complex than a virus, dependent on viruses for replication)
That feeling when SciShow themselves makes the Virusception joke before the commenters. Check out the video description.
That1Valentian It would be a cool meta-joke if that big-ass commercial at the end had a little commercial inside it.
Can't stop thinking 'giant viruses' are like some dog sized pathogen from a horror film.
I can imagine a giant virus crawling around on its tail fibres like a spider and shooting acid out of its tail.
The blob
Somehow I imagine that as a little cute
or that one incredibly dumb episode of star trek voyager.... x_x
Glad I'm not the only one
Everyone wishes scientists could design virophages to attack the coronavirus
Please, Italy begs!
it has just recently been discovered, "design" is nowhere near
That might actually work
The Corona virus is so small that I don't think we can make a virophage
@@bjfifi It won't. Coroviruses are too small. In addition, the giruses and virophages are double stranded DNA viruses with jelly rolls while coronviruses are positive sense single stranded RNA viruses, very different things.
I think Hank loves his job, every video i watch him in he always tries to not laugh at his own puns and/or jokes or just weird words he has to say. I'm glad such a good person can love what he does for a living he definitely deserves it in my opinion, him and his brother.
I have a feeling the comments are going to be infectious.
LCC 👏👏
You just made my day happier with this comment :)
ok
Ba dum tsss
If you see this, write this comment 5 times and do not delete ever in as many places as you can.
A bio entity with no life? It's not a virus, it's me :(
:(
:(
the story of my no life :(
:((
:(
Scientist: you don't have life
Coronavirus: "sad virus noises"
Science Wins
Virus kills half of the population
This comment section is *infected* by *sickly* puns
You're right Emily, we need to inject it with something else!
I see the quarantine failed
Dare i say... Viruseption?
Somebody beat you by 5 seconds. LOL
Mr. Dr. Genius
Actually, Scishow themselves beat all commenters on this. Check their video description.
That1Valentian Yeah but nobody reads the describtion. (except you)
I'm waiting for a virophage that infests a large virus that infects a single celled organism that infects larger single celled organism that infests parasites.
Software Man
I think you typed it. But maybe you did say it out loud as well. So yes, yes you dared.
If we discovered a virus native to Mars, would we say, "nope still no life here?" Seems pretty clear to me instead of the 'we don't want to fit it into our subjective file system.'
-Jake
Being that viruses originated as a consequence of life existing, one would imagine Mars-native viruses would be confirmation that life at least existed there at some point, or that life existed elsewhere and that the viruses migrated to Mars from wherever that life came from. Either way, it would rather solidly prove that either we aren't the only life in the universe, or that we did a worse job sanitizing our Mars rovers than we thought.
Emissary Of Infinity
Sounds like a confirmation bias. Can you conclusively prove that all viruses originate from life as humans subjectively choose to define it at this point in time, and can substantiate your findings through peer review? How can you prove that simple viruses were not the precursor to the early prokaryotes? They could represent a more simple, and therefore probable, grouping of parts needed for the simplest life.
Poseidon
Your still in the context of current life. I'm refering to a time before the first cell successfully divided and passed on it's genes.
Who's to say that the precursor to the first cells to divide were unlike viruses? What evidence can be found to prove it?
If viruses are more simple structures than life as we currently define it, it stands to reason that they have a higher probably of forming prior to a more complex form in a genetic/chemical soup. Therefore viruses could just as easily be the very foundation of all life. I mean if we're going with the warm soup/random mix of stuff as the foundation of life, there are going to be a lot of instances of a few hundred thousand variables coming together, long before instances of millions of variables coming together to successfully create life that can reproduce. The smaller recipes are going to be prolific as supported by a simple analysis of the probabilities involved. If the first life formed as we hypothesize then incomplete life forms should vastly out number successful forms at some kind of genesis. These incomplete forms should have a decent probability of being discovered elsewhere in the universe.
Anything that lived prior to the first cell must have been able to reproduce by itself, making it, by definition, NOT a virus. Same principle applies for anything found on Mars. We'd probably end up calling it something else.
Garret Wang
While there were probably many cells that reproduced but were not successful at passing on their genes, the odds of millions of variables coming together to make a successful reproducing cell means that through probability alone there were exponentially more incomplete structures formed. If the successful cell is one that is playing national lottery jackpot winning odds there were many many more that won smaller pots. They don't need to reproduce to be prolific. They are simply representative of the enormous number of variables required to make a simple single cell organism. The simplest form of life takes many millions of variables in an exact combination in order to exist in the first place. It is most probable that multiple incomplete forms came together to create the first cell capable of reproduction. There is no need for the incomplete cells to replicate on their own. They are simply required because of the probabilities involved.
To kind of reference the Dark Knight Quote... “Its the hero we need.”
Viruses: "Wait, that's illegal"
Virus that enters the us. Government " we'll build a wall and the virus will pay for it "
@@prettycureforever7102 viruses are a hoax as climate change is, you idiot
Ah yes! Reminds me of England in good old Napoleon’s time. Did Napoleon blockade us? Looks like we’ll set up our own blockade
A Vsaucy Boi pink guy. Love it. The human race is mostly comprised of viruses as are all living creatures known as of yet so yeah they might want to consider a virus to be a living thing some of these scientists dudes are not that smart
you may as well say water is alive with that logic, after all most living creatures are mostly made of water. it's like saying iron is a working engine because there's lots of iron used in an engine, but that's not how it works, it's just how things eventually came along.
Is it possible these viruses could be used to stop the bigger viruses?
Coronavirus: No other virus can infect me! I am invincible!
SARS: yeah right!
*Imagine Covid19 infecting HIV and ebola before spreading to humans.* 💀
The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend*?👀
Unless hes your enemy aswell
Well... lets say that youre the bacteria and the first virus virus is coming to get dat booty but then the second virus catches you both with your pants at your ankles and joins in... and you know where this is going so sadly no :D
Hi Hank
*When you try to get a heart*
*WTF*
lol gj
Wellllllllll, it is 00:11 in my country... Soooooo, I'm going to sleep...
*I know that no one cares*
vasilisdiaman GR congrats, you’re going to probably get a few hundred-to a thousand likes.
*When it works*
Next video: Viruses infecting virophages infecting big viruses infecting amoebas.
Virus:Ill infect anything, anywhere ,anytime,Im unstoppable
Virophage:cool story,now hold my double strand
T H E M I T O C H O N D R I A I S T H E P O W E R H O U S E O F T H E C E L L
Duh
*what is the powerhouse of the mitochondria?*
AMD Lover itself becomz the powerhouse of itself as well.
also hello fellow AMD fan
What baffles me is that they chose "-phage" for things that do not engulf
It makes sense. A bacteriophage infects bacteria, so a virophage infects viruses.
Aaron Right, but phage means to consume or eat. So I'm sure that's why it's confusing
They may not "eat" them exactly, but they do at the very least prey on them. Also, viruses do typically "consume" the cell by wasting all of its resources and filling it until it bursts.
Yes. A cool name baffles you more than an entire new type of virus.
Phagophages
Wow, i can't believe we've been properly introduced!! I am Bonzibuddy, your new virtual assistent!!
In my mind this just screams future anti-viral. If we can understand how these virophages work in greater detail we can equip them to target smaller viruses and wipe out severe viral infections such as HIV. Hell these virophages could be the key to getting rid of all illness period. These little guys seem very promising.
the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
science rules!
Women don't exist on the internet.
@@whtbobwntsbobget you dont exist
@LAUNDRY DETERGENT did you write "so fart apart" on purpose? (Cus that was funny)
Bobby Goetz cause people aren’t people on the internet right? ;)
Mi mi big virus
XD
Me Me Big disappointment
mercurialMeditator hell yeah my man
Lol
RaichuRai wow au en schwiizer wo jacksfilms luegt :D
Hank, you are really good at speaking and at being a spokesperson for various ads that support SciSho.
We need one of these that eat coronavirus.
Martha Newsome which coronavirus?
@@jensjensen9035 all of them
Sunny there is more than 40 coronaviruses so it would require a lot of different virophages to kill them all
They called macrophages
So say if we find some sort of “virus” on mars, would we consider that as “life”?
Viruses need hosts, so if we find viruses on Mars, the hosts must not be far... or maybe these viruses spread through astronauts. That could make a nice sci-fi/horror story: the reason why we don't see interplanetary civilizations is that once they start exploring, they eventually stumble on an infected planet and it kills them all. The virus then stays dormant until a new form of life emerges on a "clean" planet, starts exploring, and the cycle continues...
@@gubx42 Ever heard of a game called DOOM?
Viruseption?
I think viruses are the outgroup to every living thing. According to popular theories, the first biomolecule to self replicate was RNA, and it led to the evolution of ribozymes, ribosomes, reverse transcriptase, DNA and eventually the cell membrane. What if viruses are the byproduct of that process?
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Yo I heard you like viruses...
Claudia Greene yo I heard you like to not be funny
@@Teeco10 it's really sad that you feltthe need to type that cringefest
Yeah bro, vs are cool. :)
sience is getting weirder i dont understand anything...
BOSTASH good
Halberdier
wow... You described it really well
its beautiful isnt it?
That's why there are so many different fields of science with many different scientists who also may not understand other fields that they are not experts in :) so don't feel dumb lol
Neither do scientists, the entire point of science is to figure this stuff out... well, they isn’t the entire point, but it is a point, so, yeah
I think that the tree of life should be split in two. one branch is “normal biological life” and the other “mechanical” life. Mechanical life can reproduce with or without help, doesn’t have to be made of cells, and must be made of one or more moving parts. I believe that bacteriophages should be put in the mechanical side of the tree of life.
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"Ohh, yout genom is soo big!"
"Are viruses alive?" I think we need to reconsider our question to ask "What is life?"
Just check out Black Uhuru :)
I'm not an expert but are there any other non-alive things that have DNA or RNA in them? And viruses also have a 'purpose', to infect other organisms and replicate themselves, unlike prions for example, which are only protein. I would define viruses as alive although obviously different in the reproduction aspect from other living beings.
@@richardblackhound1246 alive , has rights , do we really wanna go down that road ? Do you want to survive a cold ,only to be sued by the Invaders ?
3:18 viruses aren't "excluded" from that tree because we don't consider them living. It's simply because they have no traceable history as they evolve crazily fast and don't leave behind junk in their genome like animals do. We'd love to place them on that tree if we knew how :s
2 Questions:
1. So how do viruses survive in environments without the large smorgasbord of bacteria and/ animals like the Mexican giant crystal cavern?
2. How do scientists believe viruses came into the picture? If they believe life came from base compounds that later made amino acids and proteins. Could have viruses developed the same way, just with a different protein? If this is so, what else could have evolved the same way? I understand there is far more bacteria and viruses underground than above, so there should be other things that we are just not noticing. Right?
Nobody:
Viralphages: well, well, how the turn tables...
Hank
Is
A
Tank
HIAT?
I already knew about this but I am elated that SciShow us teaching other people about the stuff I find so cool
Next video: Viruses that infect Viruses that infect Viruses
Virusception.
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That was a decent candidate for top comment.... if you were here 45 mins ago. sry, bruh.
liked anyways
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A category we box nature into is just something we mere humans don't understand very well yet.
Since life is just the highest catagory, scientists (if they can’t agree) could just create an “underlife” that contains viruses and other creatures not considered completely alive (aka not having all life factors).
Another note: if viruses truly aren’t alive, they could be considered biochemicals or something. And in a future reality, man-made biochemicals designed similar to viruses could also be put in the underlife category.
i have a Microbiology class this year and they have never talked about virophage thats new , we had bacteriopages in bacterio . wht about you guys you have this on your course ??
Soukaina Ak probably cause they’re so new we just don’t have enough info to have the topic in a class is what I’m guessing
Well, I haven't heard of them in my bachelor studies and not yet in my masters and until now we got all the brand new information...
I guess that this topic is too heavily debated that anyone could be sure to teach the right thing, if they tried.
Also, from my point of view, the formulation that they infect the virus is kinda odd...
There are already virusoids (virus-like structures), which depend on other viruses to construct their capsid (HepD). Without the other one (HepB) they're not functional and can't do anything.
So, I guess this is just a similar mechanism and the viruses try to inhibit each other to have more ressources to themselves...
Wasn't mentioned in my Microbio class either. But yeah, the information is probably still too new and needs more research before it makes it into the curriculum.
Well, my Biology teacher in high school thought viruses were unicellular beings, and complained when I tried to correct her, so... I think you're still getting more info xD
nGon- yes you are right there an entire course about bacteriophage , i even heard that they are making research on how to use the bacteriophages in treatment of bacteria's desease and to decrease the problem of ATB's resistance !!
Lets find out if there is virophage for coronavirus
'Great fleas have little fleas
upon their backs to bite 'em.
And little fleas have lesser fleas...
and so, ad infinitum.'
De Morgan
I think if it has a genome, it's alive. What, other than viruses, has genes but isn't living?
3:26 “if viruses can’t replicate on their own, they’re not really alive.”
Does that mean that sterile organisms are not really alive?
snail snail this is referring to the organism as a species or whole group, not individuals.
Humans can reproduce, typically. A tiny fraction can’t. But as a whole species, we obviously can proliferate.
um no not at all.
The keyword is "replicate", NOT "reproduce". As in genome replication in cellular level.
Like if i should test out how much G-Force a virus can take
Yes
My understanding is that the latest theories on life is not with specific organism traits but rather the metabolic cycles (cyclical chemical reactions) that are first concocted by naturally environmental processes.
Viruses fit right in to this idea and it makes more sense because 'not quite life' doesn't make sense when a virus itself has evolved to take advantage of traits specific to life. For example, an acid can't evolve to burn you. Viruses can evolve to attack you. This means life must begin before the metabolic system is self contained.
This would be very useful right now
"If viruses can't replicate on their own, the're not really alive". Parasitoid wasps are not really alive, then :P
"you became the one that you swear to destroy"
Next:
The baffling viruses that stopped infecting
What an opportunity! Finding viruses that may be used by medicine to kill "bad" viruses.
Why are you searching for new comments?
Because
ThanaLincoln
Corona
covid-19:🤣
Bacteriophage: 😈
Covid-19: 😶
*virophage
"These giant viruses are called giant viruses"
*Ah yes, the floor is made of floor*
that was the best promotion in a video i have ever heard in my entire online life span
Next thing you know the virophages are going to get infected by a 8legged wobbled nobyhobiye
SCISHOW, HOW CAN ONE DAY FEEL LIKE ANOTHER DAY!? HOW!? HOW CAN A FRIDAY, NOT FEEL LIKE A FRIDAY!? WHAT DOES A DAY EVEN FEEL LIKE!? HELP!
*Hahaha you also trying to get heart m8 right?*
vasilisdiaman GR aren’t we all?
Duck_ Of_Doom : )
vasilisdiaman GR I have a challenge for you, go to the video “me at the zoo” and see how many people are promoting their channels. It’s actually really sad.
Duck_ Of_Doom I hate those people...
Not only can't viruses reproduce on their own, they don't do much on their own at all. They are more like floating blobs of molecules arranged in a very specific ways that just stay still. Unlike cells which normally have loads of different biochemical processes happening inside.
They may be more similar to an inter-cellular signaling macro-molecule than a cell.
bizarre, it's like a species of mosquito exclusively preying on and biting other mosquitoes
This is too much of science for me.
Virophages: the ultimate communists
Coronvirus: I am I a joke to you?
So after pithovirus has awakened now mimivirus can infect them, but ones in the middle like influenza and hiv are still to simple. Man viruses have gotten even more interesting
Virus : exists
Virophage : _it's free real estate_
This seems like a pre-warm up when people argue if sentinel robots would be consider equals.
Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
-De Morgan
Trust no one, not even other viruses.
Some mimivirus have a defense mechanism against virophages. It's pretty interesting because it's very similar to the CRISPR mechanism (Look up for MIMIVIRE mechanism)
Big virus infecting a cell: Hahahaaaa! time to reproduce!
8 mints later.
Big virus: why its not working?!
Little virus: LOL i jacked ya prey.
Are you a orchestra conductor as well as video host? You use your arms so well.
Coronavirus: Fear me, human! For I am the one, the only-
Virophage: *I'm gonna stop you right there.*
Coronavirus: ..wait, buddy, I think we got off on the wrong foot. Truce? Please? That - thing - gives me the creeps...