@@MB12116 they were talking about length of videos. JJ does when possible get some good coverage long videos.Though they are a very different type of coverage.
@@danapowers9793 yea I agree…both are good, but I was very impressed with this video…typically these are a let down, and you feel second hand embarrassment for the rural firefighters. However, in CA and many other western states, the rural firefighters are exceptional. Especially Cal Fire and USFS.
Love you attention to detail, you noticed right away when there was a pass alarm going off. I've seen many people ignore them because they assume its the pack sitting in the yard at rehab or for whatever reason
As someone who's been on the scene of a mayday that resulted in a double line-of-duty-death, this is critical to me to recognize and treat seriously and we're building that into our culture. It's also a good reminder to our firefighters that we're paying attention, we care about their safety, and that we're focused on them so they can focus on the citizens. Thanks for the feedback. -Chief Dorner
Unbelievably good job. I never thought they'd get a knock on the fire. I didn't know there was a line on the fire in the middle door. Look like they had a plan for the property and it worked to perfection. GREAT job.
Confirming that your men are alright upon exiting, and taking information from Senior (I assume) firefigher and using it. Great leadership Chief. Thanks for posting.
Listen to the Chief ion Command. He really takes charge flat lines with no water, injury,and the reason. Note to discuss later. Ect, can’t say enough excellent job Chief!
I'm sure there's going to be a discussion as to where was the water. There must be a good reason why it took so long to get water. That would have never happened with David Decker because he would have had the 2nd due, bring the line in. The medic unit opens the hydrant and they keep the ambulance back so it does not get blocked in. Then they walk up to be the medic or RIT sector. And they turn off the gas meter.
I have fought 2 lumber yard fires back in the early '80's. One as a P&L, 2nd as 1st in engine engineer. Both were 12+ hours. They both sucked, no LDH and only 3" supply lines and very limited water supply 1 fire had 1 mile of duo 3" relay pumped water supply with tankers supplements... These guys did a fantastic job. 👍
one suggestion, if you're walking from the truck and it's a long distance away. I would bring a spare bottle. or grab second air pack for back up. I'm a retired firefighter.
Because everyone knows Washington Twp. (Lucas County) has the resource, it gets used quite a bit on commercial fires around here! Odd to see, but a great tool!
Well great efforts, great job, but it was so hard to fight a fire with out water. Eventually they got water and it all paid off,great command and attack!
Gotta watch for stacks and shelves that get unstable in a fire and can fall over. Getting hit by a sling of lumber, or 75 sheets of plywood will ruin your day.
Seems like water is an issue. Engines supplying water, should be strategic to farthest water source. Drop lines from first engine in? Supply that engine.. Move men up from responding companies. Lot of smoke, somethings burning, attack to interior?
With the water supply, there was miscommunication. No fire is 100% perfect and part of the video aspect is that we can look back and learn to be better today than we were yesterday.
Miscommunication that was recognized and addressed after the fire. No one's perfect, and we have a group of departments willing to learn from shortcomings. We're hoping others can learn from this by using this video for training.
I have my personal Seek FirePro X. Great “situational awareness” tool, but has its limitations. Pros and cons to everything! We have a new Flir K2 on our first-out Medic/Rescue company, and we’re looking at Flir and the Seek AttackPro for other upgrades.
Aggressive firefighters, five attack lines, and a solid command structure did the trick! We've been planning for this fire for years in terms of building all of this with our neighbors -- 99% preparation, 1% execution!
I don’t think he had his helmet on all the time. Besides it’s the same place where police wear them to stay out of the way. When they are on the shoulder if you had to put on a tank etc it would just hinder your equipment. His hands were rarely an issue. Usually it’s just filmed from the outside and a distance from the action. This was in the action and banter amongst themselves. Just my opinion. 😊
Yep, I'm working on that. Only a few months into using the GoPro. I appreciate the feedback and will see if I can figure something better out! I probably just need to keep my hand off my radio until I have something to say -- a lot of the time, I just had my hand on it to have a place for my hand, it seems! -Chief Dorner
Each division supervisor (Bravo, Charlie, Delta) as well as command were monitoring the building and conditions. Should one of us -- or any of our firefighters -- said it was time to get out based on training, experience, or gut feeling, we would have done so. Great question, I hope this answers it!
We had two great hydrants across the street, just some trouble communicating between departments that don't work together too often. Lessons learned and always room for improvement!
Yeah, I'm working on that. Didn't realize how often I've got my hand on my remote mic. I'm 6'6, so if it were on my helmet it'd look like drone footage so I have it on my chest! -Chief Dorner
Did anyone bring hotdogs or hamburgers,Italian sausage marshmallows 🤔 oh oh I could i forget You gotta have cold 🥶 beers to wash it down with,A live band would be good to lol
He stated in the beginning the roof was burned away so it self ventilated I guess. He also said there was nothing to fall. Once he found the stairs, he had them ventilate the area closer to the door to dissipate the heat since foam boards were melting and popping up there.
Definitely worth the consideration. Yes, the plastic skylights were broken or melted and then crews popped more. Metal roofs, even working off a ladder, are high-risk, low-frequency for us, so the risk wasn't worth the benefit at this moment -- speaking solely for myself -- compared to using the relatively few crews we had for extinguishment and overhaul. Appreciate your thoughts, though -- we can all learn and pick up nuggets from each other! -Chief Dorner
@@kylehughes9815 I don’t really thinks it’s out of practice is it? I have seen when you are trying to clear the smoke so firefighters can see to look for victims etc, it can make a huge difference like opening up your flue it’s the difference between smoke going up the chimney and staying inside! I realize without water spraying on the roof it won’t last and it not always necessary for every situation. I just think stating it like that makes it sound rare. But I agree on a lumber yard, beside that big open door provided plenty of vertical ventilation.
We use division supervisors on scenes this large. At times, both our deputy chief and I are assigned to task-level roles at mutual aid fires when short-staffed. In this instance, the incident commander actually told me, "Sorry, you weren't gonna go in and play on this one." We're firefighters at our core, but sometimes we need to stand back and keep the big picture so our folks know someone's watching their back. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Also the deck gun wouldn't reach the fire. But, what the hell destroy the place with a deck gun to get at the heart of the fire. Or use there heads and operate to take out the fire and save a lot of money for the owner. Steve be quite.
Hard to listen to this confusion. What a mess. From the chief on down, more training is needed. I hope the owner of the lumberyard never has to see this video. He'll tear his hair out.
I can assure you, chief did a incredible job. Rather then standing in one spot and pointing he was all over the place making sure everyone knew what they were doing and what he wanted and trusted the guys on his scene to do their jobs. Kudos chief awesome job
Very positive, supportive chief, informative and enjoyable to watch. Thanks for your service!
Wow you are the ONLY channel I have ever seen that provides this long of videos. You definitely just earned your 110th subscriber
Themajesterium also does where they go that long these too are my favorite channels
@@danapowers9793 thanks for letting me know I’ll have to check them out
@@danapowers9793 yea but he doesn’t get helmet cam footage, but jj is great
@@MB12116 they were talking about length of videos. JJ does when possible get some good coverage long videos.Though they are a very different type of coverage.
@@danapowers9793 yea I agree…both are good, but I was very impressed with this video…typically these are a let down, and you feel second hand embarrassment for the rural firefighters. However, in CA and many other western states, the rural firefighters are exceptional. Especially Cal Fire and USFS.
Love you attention to detail, you noticed right away when there was a pass alarm going off. I've seen many people ignore them because they assume its the pack sitting in the yard at rehab or for whatever reason
As someone who's been on the scene of a mayday that resulted in a double line-of-duty-death, this is critical to me to recognize and treat seriously and we're building that into our culture. It's also a good reminder to our firefighters that we're paying attention, we care about their safety, and that we're focused on them so they can focus on the citizens. Thanks for the feedback. -Chief Dorner
Wow, the communication and the way you all worked together was amazing. I would love to be a part of a department like this!
We're hiring! laketwpfd.org/join
Unbelievably good job. I never thought they'd get a knock on the fire. I didn't know there was a line on the fire in the middle door. Look like they had a plan for the property and it worked to perfection. GREAT job.
I'd leave my firehouse tomorrow and follow this chief. Great job and excellent video. Could use for training.
That's the primary reason for sharing. We're not perfect, but no one is -- if we can learn from it, so can someone else. Thanks for the kind words!
one of the BEST firefighting videos on UA-cam !!
Confirming that your men are alright upon exiting, and taking information from Senior (I assume) firefigher and using it. Great leadership Chief. Thanks for posting.
Great job.. this was unbelievable save.. we were never asked if we were any good.. or allowed water breaks.. you got great members
We're incredibly proud of our firefighters and all the firefighters on scene! We've got a great relationship with our mutual aid!
Listen to the Chief ion Command. He really takes charge flat lines with no water, injury,and the reason. Note to discuss later. Ect, can’t say enough excellent job Chief!
I'm sure there's going to be a discussion as to where was the water. There must be a good reason why it took so long to get water. That would have never happened with David Decker because he would have had the 2nd due, bring the line in. The medic unit opens the hydrant and they keep the ambulance back so it does not get blocked in. Then they walk up to be the medic or RIT sector. And they turn off the gas meter.
chief unhooks and throws his tic to the crew, legend. clearly a great leader to have on the fire ground
I have fought 2 lumber yard fires back in the early '80's. One as a P&L, 2nd as 1st in engine engineer. Both were 12+ hours. They both sucked, no LDH and only 3" supply lines and very limited water supply 1 fire had 1 mile of duo 3" relay pumped water supply with tankers supplements... These guys did a fantastic job. 👍
Awesome video! Great job on the Operations!
Good for you on getting crews out, no one in the structure at this point.
We were actually offensive the entire time. Measured risk to save a significant amount of property, and no reported firefighter injuries.
one suggestion, if you're walking from the truck and it's a long distance away. I would bring a spare bottle. or grab second air pack for back up. I'm a retired firefighter.
Love this idea. They pulled one extra from
the chief’s vehicle parked closer, but yes, good consideration for sure!
That 1 3/4" ain't gonna do shit! Classic!
Lumber yard fires are so hard to stop they did a great job to knock down so quick.
Well , as words were spoken in the 37:00 area, "F ' n good job "how often do you save a lumber yard from the inside out ! Great attacks.
Good communication from officer in charge. Relay instructions calm with firemen coming first.
Never thought I'd see a hovercraft being used to ventilate a structure! Hahaha! Good work from everyone involved!
Because everyone knows Washington Twp. (Lucas County) has the resource, it gets used quite a bit on commercial fires around here! Odd to see, but a great tool!
Textbook. WELL DONE!
Well great efforts, great job, but it was so hard to fight a fire with out water. Eventually they got water and it all paid off,great command and attack!
Definitely things we can learn from, and we hope others can do the same by using this video for training.
The part I wanted to see, the hovercraft and it gets covered up, great job.
Sorry about that - still getting used to wearing the camera.
Gotta watch for stacks and shelves that get unstable in a fire and can fall over. Getting hit by a sling of lumber, or 75 sheets of plywood will ruin your day.
Love it when chiefs stand back and trust officers and F.F.to do their jobs.
Great job to all the guys...😊
The worst felling ever as an engineer. Everything is ready to go but you have no water.
Perfect nightmare. LOTS of fuel sources and a covered yet well ventilated place.
You wish you could teleport a lake...
Have any leads on a teleporter?
Seems like water is an issue. Engines supplying water, should be strategic to farthest water source. Drop lines from first engine in? Supply that engine.. Move men up from responding companies. Lot of smoke, somethings burning, attack to interior?
With the water supply, there was miscommunication. No fire is 100% perfect and part of the video aspect is that we can look back and learn to be better today than we were yesterday.
At 19 minutes what is that u have in ur hand great video
I believe it's a thermal cam or heat cam
Yep, Seek FireProX thermal imager. www.thermal.com/firepro-x.html
After this video quit, how much longer did it
take to finally put out the fire & do a overhaul if any?
The fire was declared under control within the video's timeframe. Overhaul took another two hours or so.
Thank you. Don’t listen to these
want a be firemen. You did a good job
I'm a junior firefighter and that is still not the largest fire I've seen it was the hotel fire in somerset Kentucky
Yeah, picking up line and making a hit. Big balls firefighting. Not for the weak, hard work and good direction.
why did it take so long to charge the plug ?
Miscommunication that was recognized and addressed after the fire. No one's perfect, and we have a group of departments willing to learn from shortcomings. We're hoping others can learn from this by using this video for training.
Good job I love the fire video
What kind of thermal imager are you using Chief?
I have my personal Seek FirePro X. Great “situational awareness” tool, but has its limitations. Pros and cons to everything!
We have a new Flir K2 on our first-out Medic/Rescue company, and we’re looking at Flir and the Seek AttackPro for other upgrades.
Read the comments and laughed so hard at the arm chair firefighters!
Good organization guys
Yall gotta push for radio straps inside the coat
Definitely are!
Fantastic stop for your limited crews
Awesome communication
Can you provide information on your department
Here's our website: www.laketwpfd.org/
The primary department was Allen-Clay Joint Fire District: www.allenclayjfd.oh.gov/
That must have been a pain in the ass to put out with that much fuel
Aggressive firefighters, five attack lines, and a solid command structure did the trick! We've been planning for this fire for years in terms of building all of this with our neighbors -- 99% preparation, 1% execution!
Constructive feedback: positioning of the camera was not so good. Lots of "arm" shots. Perhaps a helmet or shoulder mount would be better?
I don’t think he had his helmet on all the time. Besides it’s the same place where police wear them to stay out of the way. When they are on the shoulder if you had to put on a tank etc it would just hinder your equipment. His hands were rarely an issue. Usually it’s just filmed from the outside and a distance from the action. This was in the action and banter amongst themselves. Just my opinion. 😊
Yep, I'm working on that. Only a few months into using the GoPro. I appreciate the feedback and will see if I can figure something better out! I probably just need to keep my hand off my radio until I have something to say -- a lot of the time, I just had my hand on it to have a place for my hand, it seems! -Chief Dorner
They have been hanging loose for about 15 minutes
What's rehab now that had me in stitches 🤣😂👍🏻
Is there a certain time or process when you decide to go defensive?
Each division supervisor (Bravo, Charlie, Delta) as well as command were monitoring the building and conditions. Should one of us -- or any of our firefighters -- said it was time to get out based on training, experience, or gut feeling, we would have done so. Great question, I hope this answers it!
Great now lumber prices are going to sky rocket. 😂 seriously thouyh great job to the fire crews.
we need to get this guy a new place to mount his go-pro.. All i saw was his turnout coat
Yeah, admittedly I didn't realize how often I just keep my hand on my remote mic. I'll work on improving this. -Chief Dorner
Call tanker task force need
We had two great hydrants across the street, just some trouble communicating between departments that don't work together too often. Lessons learned and always room for improvement!
I was there that's where I live
Good job on the attack. I spent 10 years as a fire fighter and first responder
Fire/ems are the only public servants I don't want to see working ..I'm good with them just eating ice cream and rescuing a cat
Too bad the helmet cam gets obscured but the suit every so often.
Yeah, I'm working on that. Didn't realize how often I've got my hand on my remote mic. I'm 6'6, so if it were on my helmet it'd look like drone footage so I have it on my chest! -Chief Dorner
Did anyone bring hotdogs or hamburgers,Italian sausage marshmallows 🤔 oh oh I could i forget You gotta have cold 🥶 beers to wash it down with,A live band would be good to lol
It’s coming by horse
If they ventilated the roof, the smoke in the structure would dissipate.
He stated in the beginning the roof was burned away so it self ventilated I guess. He also said there was nothing to fall. Once he found the stairs, he had them ventilate the area closer to the door to dissipate the heat since foam boards were melting and popping up there.
Ventilating a metal roof is a massive no. You don’t EVER put crews on a metal roof with an active fire under it.
Venting roofs if is going out of practice any it's stupid and should only be used in very specific circumstances saving a lumber yard is not one
Definitely worth the consideration. Yes, the plastic skylights were broken or melted and then crews popped more. Metal roofs, even working off a ladder, are high-risk, low-frequency for us, so the risk wasn't worth the benefit at this moment -- speaking solely for myself -- compared to using the relatively few crews we had for extinguishment and overhaul. Appreciate your thoughts, though -- we can all learn and pick up nuggets from each other! -Chief Dorner
@@kylehughes9815 I don’t really thinks it’s out of practice is it? I have seen when you are trying to clear the smoke so firefighters can see to look for victims etc, it can make a huge difference like opening up your flue it’s the difference between smoke going up the chimney and staying inside! I realize without water spraying on the roof it won’t last and it not always necessary for every situation. I just think stating it like that makes it sound rare.
But I agree on a lumber yard, beside that big open door provided plenty of vertical ventilation.
how come this guy just bosses everyone around but never goes into the fire with his brothers
Because he is the chief, scene command he has to make sure every one on scene is doing things right and safe.
We use division supervisors on scenes this large. At times, both our deputy chief and I are assigned to task-level roles at mutual aid fires when short-staffed. In this instance, the incident commander actually told me, "Sorry, you weren't gonna go in and play on this one." We're firefighters at our core, but sometimes we need to stand back and keep the big picture so our folks know someone's watching their back. Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts!
if chief has to go interior shit has hit the fan or he's not a good chief. this was exemplary work
This definitely isn't good.
So what's bad about it mr fire chief? The fire was out in 25 minutes in a barn full of lumber. SMH.
Taking forever to get much needed water
word is they are still waiting for engine 35
We had some trouble communicating between departments that don't work together too often. Lessons learned and always room for improvement!
Use a Deck gun
Not when there are people inside! You can topple things on top of people due to the force.
@@Sea-cucumber1151 instead of sending firefighter in idiot
@Sea-cucumber1151, that is every area chair figherfighters answer.
Also the deck gun wouldn't reach the fire. But, what the hell destroy the place with a deck gun to get at the heart of the fire. Or use there heads and operate to take out the fire and save a lot of money for the owner. Steve be quite.
These folks need a lot more training it appears
Hard to listen to this confusion. What a mess. From the chief on down, more training is needed. I hope the owner of the lumberyard never has to see this video. He'll tear his hair out.
Go back to playing your video game dbag.
Really wasn’t any confusion at all. A lumber yard fire was put out in 30 minutes with a rural water source. That’s pretty rare.
Grey Jay please your arm chair firefighting shows the closest open fire you ever seen was a barbecue or fire pit.
I can assure you, chief did a incredible job. Rather then standing in one spot and pointing he was all over the place making sure everyone knew what they were doing and what he wanted and trusted the guys on his scene to do their jobs. Kudos chief awesome job