Cut benefits to get jobless back to work? Feat. Wilfred & Paula Rhone-Adrien | Jeremy Vine
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2024
- Should the UK cut benefits to get people back to work?
The IMF has suggested slashing unemployment benefits would encourage men in particular to find jobs.
It comes amid a so-called 'worklessness crisis' in Britain with over 9 million working-age adults out of work.
Mel Stride, the Work and Pensions secretary, has already acknowledged the need for radical welfare reforms.
Last month he unveiled plans to make 150,000 people signed off work with mild mental health problems look for jobs, warning that “normal ups and downs of human life” risked being labelled as a medical condition.
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The best incentive to work is not having the lowest wages in the western world.
Do we ?
The best incentive to work is to provide for yourself and your family, what better incentive than that FGS. Why on earth do you think so many eastern Europeans have come over to the UK in the last 15 years ? Why do you think a hundred thousand people have risked their lives on a rubber dinghy to get to the UK if we are such a poor paying country ? No, the only incentive is within you, better known as 'pride' something the lazy brigade are extremely short of !
Absolutely...fact we are a very low wage economy and the most financially inequitable country in Europe
@@johnosgraveyardjaunts2235 Where do you get your so called facts from ? When you answered that, tell me, why did 1.2 million enter Britain last year to work in a low wage economy ? Not to mention 100k illegals risking their lives in fragile boats to come to the lowest paid economy ! I'm intrigued lol. The strange thing is they travelled through many more higher paid economies to get here (according to you) yet risk everything to come here !
@@gigabyte2573 Yes that's what puzzles me when someone claims this, why would anyone risk life and limb on a rubber boat to be paid the least in Europe ? Can't wait for the answer to that one LOL.
Never forget that the vast majority of people on benefits already have a job. What does that tell you?
Basic wage not good enough and state wants you on benefits to have hold on you.control you is the game plus uk works excessive hours compared to eu for below worthy pay
@@joprocter4573 ever head of a rhetorical question
It tells me that people choose to have children they can't afford. Why, what does it tell you?
@@philyewin4880 hence the massive falling birth rates. you only get money for 2 kids anyway. try talking out your mouth and not your arse eh?
@@philyewin4880 And the majority of people working without kids?
Just too lazy, expecting to be able to sleep between shifts instead of getting another job?
It's always about attacking those who don't have the resources to fight back. Very cowardly IMO. There's much bigger targets to go for if you want to improve the economy. They need to start thinking about wealth taxes and ending the scandal of billionaires moving vast sums of money offshore to tax havens. It's hardly any wonder nothing works in this country anymore.
Wilfred is full of bs
Full of reality !
He's created a successful business that employs people. How many people do you employ?
@@philyewin4880 Yep, keyboard warriors think they have all the answers, hitting them with facts and reality only leads to them saying ' I bet you're a Daily Mail reader' they can't stand facts getting in the way of their narrative 😂
He's an employer who knows the truth about sherkers.
That Paula women in a socialist who interprets figures to suit her demented lefty socialist views😵💫.
Wilfred stands no chance against lefty socialists vine and Paula person.
All of the panel are full of b's
I bet Wilfred doesn’t pay his lowest ranking employees above the living wage
Betting is a mugs game !
I bet In the real world he can only afford to pay what the market allows
@@philyewin4880 So he's supported by the welfare system he claims to hate then.
@@gigabyte2573 Can we tell the banking and finance industry?
Seems whenever they lose, we bail them out, when they win, we get poorer.
Make work bloody pay! We shouldn't have so many people in work having to claim benefits, so tax payers are subbing companies.
Work does pay. People just choose lifestyles they can't afford and the expect the rest of us to subsidise it.
People can earn up to 60,000 and still claim for their kids while others who earn a fraction of that can claim nothing because only parents get their taxes back
@@philyewin4880 So as a disabled veteran with both physical and mental disabilities, am I choosing this lifestyle?
Wilfred seems to avoid the real world and the real problems within.
Quite the opposite !
@@gigabyte2573 He expects someone who is ill to give him notice at work. How many people get notice that they are about to be ill so they have to call in sick? He is a typical employer and does not see his employees as human beings. Sickness happens, it’s a part of being a human. Humans also get diseases that turn out to be chronic that they didn’t know was going to go on for months and months.
@@jujutrini8412 That's not possible if it's an emergency of course not lol, he's not talking about that scenario though, he's referring to having problems with certain members of staff on a regular basis, I've worked with people like that, always phoning in ill, when in fact they they fancy a day off, been there got the T-shirt, but on the other hand someone can fall genuinely ill, which is fine, but if someone keeps doing this regularly you soon begin to sort out who's genuine and who's not ! If you think that 100% of people claiming benefits are genuine then I'm afraid you've a big shock awaiting you ! It's better known as 'Swinging the lead' for example, my local garage has a young lad around 18 years old working for them, he often calls in saying he's 'unwell' when actually he's been on the p iss, then he genuinely had appendicitis, he had his operation, and instead of taking a couple of weeks off to recover, no, he said he needed TWO months off, which added to his previous record of skipping work adds up to a skiver, how do we know this ? because a young person gets over a small operation like that in no time, the average being around two/three weeks, you'd be surprised to learn he no longer has a job there, more fool him.
@@jujutrini8412 - Well said!
Lol most people IN Work get UNIVERSEL CREDIT because the wages are so low how about increasing the living wage higher to a decent wage so no one has to claim
Or cut universal credit which will force people to live within their means and not have children and lifestyles their income can't support.
Aka starvation
@@philyewin4880 Indeed, rent and food, luxuries poor working people shouldn't feel so entitled to.
@@keithpanton7486 Where should the money come from to pay for these so called luxuries you feel entitled to?
@@philyewin4880 You.
Where is the 9 million jobs going to come from if you want to get everyone back in to work? This is always conveniently ignored.
So no need to import so many foreigners then ! Which in turn would mean reduced rental costs, and house prices would fall, in turn would mean higher wages, free up school places, less pressure on the NHS, wow, good idea mate !
All factory's. Metal. Coal.products closed.tills rarely human service.ppl begging for 4day week.every foreign family walking around with 3plus kids.benefits.housing at grand plus a piece
User you English can sell drugs to the English population and get them hooked on heroine like you have been doing us Scottish for the last 45 years
And where those jobs are? If you live in the country side and you have to travel 4 hours a day just to get to your workplace it’s not worth the hassle.
@@Frederique41 why 4 hours ? I live in the countryside just 3 miles from a town, the city of Leicester is only 1 hour away, the city of Peterborough is 40 minutes away, Where do you get this idea people would have to travel 4 hours each day ?
lots of rich people abuse the tax system
lots of them pay no tax at all.
Close the loopholes!
Why is it every time its election year people on benefits are always an easy target. When I was 43 i had a stroke, got post stroke epilepsy, no peripheral vision, angina, hole in the heart, cervical spondylitis. Im sick to death of people like Wilfrid saying disabled or ill should work. Especially when he doesn't work himself, makes me so angry 😡.
We want to see Tax INCREASE on the Rich companies to fund Tax Cuts on the struggling Workers,
Why am I having to pay 33% on every pound I earn,....While Rishi Sunak pays less than 30%,.....How is that Fair?
the chancellor pays around 1% on his multi million £ income. many super rich pay nothing at all.
@@kanedNunable You stated,..the chancellor pays around 1% on hi... income.
In a FAIR Society,...We should also be able to pay 1%, ..not 33% of our Incomes.
@@DivineLove247So you'd just completely do away with all public spending then? Schools, Hospitals, infrastructure building, waste disposal, national defense etc etc.... all gone?
@@benghiskahn3673 Try reading the thread again ,
I stated,...We want to see Tax INCREASE on the Rich companies to fund Tax Cuts on the struggling Workers,
Tax Increase on the RICH would help pay for the Schools, Hospitals, infrastructure building, waste disposal, national defence etc etc.
As Gary Economics said, "The game is rigged ".
If the government put the same effort into closing tax avoidance loopholes and stopped giving their mates outrageously expensive contracts through public sector outsourcing it would be a start. why is it often very rich people in cushy jobs with limited hours telling us knocking out 12 hour shifts on poverty wages that we must work harder?
I'm curious about Wilfried saying that "it pays not to work". I get about £300 a month. Who exactly is he talking about because I have no idea who'd be happy to live on that
Who's he talking about? Well the woman who phoned in saying she gets £2800 a month for a start...
@@ross8156can you verify that what she says is true 🤫
My neighbor (single mum of 2) gets £2,300 per month universal credit, plus her child benefit
@@kevinsyd2012 I don't know about families but a single adult with no dependents is getting a standard allowance of circa £300.
Has she told you herself she gets that much? And do her kids have special needs at all?
@@keifer7813 Yes, I accompanied her to her interview when she was told. I have also seen her bank statement. Children are normal teenagers with no special needs
Would cutting benefits creat a humungous crime wave never seen before?? Are we close to this situation already? After all people have to eat!!!
Society is only ever three meals away from revolution, someone smarter than me once said.
No give a living wage.
no cut benefits. Get off your arse and work.
@keirmitchell5560 For a proper living wage people will do. Otherwise we subsidise the companies effectively giving them benefits.
@@keirmitchell5560as what, a farmed internet troll?
My ex is on the living wage, and gets on just fine ! But then she doesn't piss it away in the pub, or smoke herself to death, and cooks her meals herself, not relying on takeaways which cost a fortune !
@@gigabyte2573 What a life... Why do the British never want any better for themselves?
Get employers to keep people who are sick on! That is the main problem. Many people get sick and want to keep working but their long term illness or disability means that they can no longer work how a fully healthy person would. They might just require a level of flexibility that employers are unwilling to deal with! Also the transport system in this country sometimes means that disabled and chronically ill people can’t even get to work! Many of these problems could be dealt with if the country were willing to take measures to assist people into employment (they don’t even like people to work from home!) but the entire system is set up to PUNISH the sick and disabled instead.
Even the excessively long NHS waiting lists is affecting how many people have to give up work due to illness. Sometimes the longer a person waits to receive treatment affects the long term progression of an illness. Sometimes a quick outcome from surgery could put an end to their misery but because they have to wait the pain increases leading to more damage.
The unemployed and the homeless - why not try investigating who is donating to the government and what they are getting in return. The record amount of millionaires, billionaires and sports people who do very little, tax wealth.
I used to process benefits claims for the DWP. The vast majority of benefits claimants get between £7k and £9k per year.
im calling bullshit on that.
@@kanedNunable It's true. Average PIP (Personal Independent payment) is the lowest award of the Mobility Component, which is currently £28.50 a week. Average ESA (Employment and Support Allowance) is £90.50 per week for the people who are expected to look for work. And £138.20 for vulnerable people in the support group who aren't expected to look for work. Add up the highest award there. £138.20 + £28.50 a week is £666.80 per month. £666.80 x 12 is £8001.60. So roughly £8k per year. The lowest award is even lower than that. The reason this is what most people get it because most claimants are actually living at home with family so don't qualify to have rent paid or anything. Look it all up for yourself it's not hard. 🤷♀️
@@kanedNunableWell to start with that woman who claims she gets 35k a year is outright lying as the benefit cap is 25k a year. And pay close attention to her story, the time frames don't add up. So that caller was a liar or a plant.
@@kanedNunable Look it up for yourself it's not hard. It's around the same as the state pension. The state pension is also classed as a benefit. In fact almost half of welfare spending is spent on the state pension.
Cut benefits and well eat the rich. So be it
Increase the personal tax allowance to at least £15,000
Reform Party says raise it to £20k !
Don’t tell me you’re voting Reform?
@@syriacchristianity9007 If you want more cash in your pocket who else ? duuhhhh
@@gigabyte2573 Exactly, sounds to me some people want even more tax stopped from their income ! If so vote Liebour !
I don’t want more money in my pocket, I want everyone in the world fed and watered and clothed. Tice likes to stoke culture wars, so that he just walk off with the swag.
People should work harder to make you richer Wilfred......... You dont work hard.
The last lady was a plant ..no one would disclose their money on tv and call it an over payment ..🤔
Stop anyone who has been on unemployment for more than 12 months stop their unemployment benefit, and why should anyone pensioner go back to work after retiring only to be screwed over by increased income tax
I have a relative who popped out 2 kids as a teenager and got given a council house are now in their 30s never paid tax only work 10hrs a week and spends their family tax credits on botox and fillers, I remember the parents who had 7 kids in the news living in squalor getting £84000 a year on benefits !
There is no way anyone is getting £84000 a year in benefits.
It could happen depending on circs, and no doubt little Tyler and sapphire have adhd so will get dla and disability elements in uc
@@PT-po3de No it couldn't. The benefit cap is set at 25k a year.
@alfsmith4936 there's no cap if someone gets dla or pip, or works 16 hours a week at minimum wage or has lcwra element on uc. Many many families will get tens of thousands
I know people who get more in benefits (not including those on low income top ups) than I do working 45+ hours a week and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them! I have no partner, no children and struggle to support myself after my bills every month. They need to cut benefits to a lower income so going out to work is way more desirable. Or put the wages up!
Benefits were actually in danger of taking over wages not because benefits are too high. No it’s because wages have been kept to low for too long. The new minimum wage is still not high enough to live off. To survive independently and be able to afford all the bills the minimum wage needs to be no less than £35,000 per year. People simply can’t afford to come of benefits to work full time on minimum wage then not have enough money left to pay the high cost of rent and Council Tax. Governments have caused this issue therefore they need to address this. Not through punishment but by introducing fairness and understanding of what life is like for people at the bottom.
Well said 👍
Just pray 🙏 to God that all the wealth in the world gets shared out and everyone gets a chance to catch up. No tortoise and hares or head starts in life for some and not others. Everyone gets to clear their debts and start their lives over for the better. Amen 🙏.
Will do!
Totally agree ❤
Barry as got a point, walk through any UK town and see the lazy wasters mooching about no intention of going to work.
Maybe giv them money so they can afford to go for an interview
i see more spongers in the tory party.
Start a company and employ them then.
cut backs and more cut backs, ai, self checkouts etc then push people into crime or suicide by also removing benefits. sounds good to me xD
I know quite a few people now who are reducing the hours they work because theyre claiming benefits for their kids who supposedly have mental health issues. Seems to be the easiest way to get money for nothing these days. They also take more (paid) time off work to look after said kids and its the staff left behind who have to pick up the slack.
One lady i know is currently claiming carers allowance for her husband who doesnt really need a carer but she cooks and cleans (something she has always done even before he went on long term sick) so is able to claim a carers allowance because hes now classed as disabled even though he continues to go on holiday every other month. She can even use his bus pass to get free travel. With carers allowance, sick pay, housing benefit amd pip who needs to work long hours, or work at all, when you know how to play the system?
Why don't you do it, if it's that good? You would be stupid not to..
Very bias for a conversation about the already working poor who can't pay rent as it is xx
Government needs to create Jobs, which pay a LIVING WAGE.
Since we left EU,...UK has become poorer.
While the peoples of Europe are ENJOYING protection of their Employment Rights.
We are now at the Mercy of Rich and Zero Hour contracts,.
Even Rishi Sunaks Father In law is plotting for us to work 70 hours a week
U are talking bollocks we have not become poor at all so stop blaming it on Bexit we still have all the laws when we were in the EU , STOP Scaremongering and everybody knows there’s a lot of people on benefits WHICH Choose not to work & they I think they don’t have to work for their benefits which they should be made to do .
@@michaelwrench7577 Brexit has meant,
MORE CHECKS on Goods,
MORE Taxes on Goods.
LESS Investment from Europe.
European Investors moving out of Britain,...all this combined has made UK a poorer Economy, that it needs CHEAP Labour to remain competitive,
Solution, Stop Peoples Benefits,...to starve them into work.
If self service machines use more ozone and electric WHY HAS NO ONE CONSIDERED HOW MANY PPL BECOME UNEMPLOYED DUE TO SHOP INSTALLATION PAYG MACHINES
😊@@michaelwrench7577
Freeze benefits and increase wages
Minimum wage should be doubled.
@@syriacchristianity9007 doing that instantly would be detrimental but moving in that direction by increasing the initial tax allowance and increasing minimum wage more often and at a higher percentage rate until the gap between benefits and wages grew to a sensible level is definatley the way to go. Nobody should be receiving more in benefits than somebody who works for a living earns.
Chaired by a multi millionaire suing joey Barton for 250k because he called him a bad name ,easy to say such things when you live in that world,vine makes me puke
and i will also point out there are people who can work but unable to get work but the government want people who are not fit to work but are being told you will go to work so the people who are unable to find work can keep claiming benefits
Cut £10 a day UC ☠️
wow a tenner a day eh? and at least half of that will be spent on energy bills.
Wecome to Benefit Island,
Ok so the government want people back to work thats all well and done so can someone tell me how people on disability and go back to work when there are no jobs available
Ah - it’s Tim “What’s wrong with Thatcher?” Vine
Tim's the nice and talented one, that's Jeremy :)
You’re right!
I limped along for 10 years before the RIGHT X-Ray was done to find my MS... want to know a Fact I was happy to told, HAPPY as I felt like every hospial appt, every Doctor Appt, they thought I was a scrounger !! plod on like the UK does till you drop ...........and I did !!
Work 50 years & get taxed to death & then retire & get told you lose your pension because you worked too much . Go figure why people dont want to work.
I am moving to Kent clearly benefit are better than up north
For gods sake leave benefits alone....
HE NEEDS TO GO BACK IN TIME AND VISIT HIS ANCESTORS
Mental health has become the modern day bad back! 😡 it's being abused so much
Or the government have sent everyone mental..
Brilliant minimum wage upto £20 quid an hour then people will work
I would like to get a job from home im visually impared but there are no jobs. Also no help to change jobs from anywhere. No help full stop.
Tories and the rich love to pretend everyone can work, but refuse to accept most employers don't want anyone they might have to make some minor adjustments to hire, or someone who might cost them a little bit of investment.
Much easier to just keep pushing the bullshit that everyone's lazy.
A company where I live is has 200 vacancies for work that pays above minimum wage for light production work. No skills required as on the job training is provided. My niece works a part time job around caring for a child. Due to transport costs she is no better off than claiming benefits but she has self respect and a work ethic.
Let people retire earlier then their will be plenty of jobs
The last lady on the phone I've never heard of anyone getting anywhere near 2.800 am guessing her rent must be 1.500 its really hard to beleave does she have a a pension
That lady gets £2,800 net, to take that home i would need to earn £4'k each month, no wonder we have so many not working, she could do computer work from home, or handle calls for a call centre, no need for legs for work like that, absolutely nuts ! Even the lady agreed it was too much !
We gave away our manufacturing industries. Part time jobs are being pushed to create as many jobs as possible regardless of the impact to people standards of living earning part time money. Where are these jobs that could employ millions of new workers?
@@ricardosmythe2548 So who's doing the jobs those layabouts did ?
@@gigabyte2573 The employees of Chinese manufacturing companies? The employees of Indian call centres? Its the greed of the people at the top that has created this abhorrent mess not Maureen from the council estate who has just enough to scrape by.
@@ricardosmythe2548 So who's doing those jobs that the layabouts did ?
@@ricardosmythe2548 There are 112,000 vacancies in the NHS alone, and around 910,000 vacancies across the UK, remember that figure of 2.8 million includes partners and children, so, that total figure is a little misleading !
Mental health, the new bad back, hes bang on
Why should you pay for rain water that hits a road go down the drain why should we pay any water company for that which his out of or hands
It's not about money or how much you get from a wage the government need to put a cap on rent on a house you may rent bring rent down get rid of standing charge on gas Electric and water
£2,800 per month (assuming that's what she gets after any deductions) woujd approximately a £50,000 salary if you had to pay tax and pay full council tax. How can it be right that venefits puts you in the top 10% of earners?
Lot of people these days are weak
The vast majority of the benefits bill goes to women, but it's the men that should have their benefits cut?
Yes all well and done but you over look one small detail what age group is the government talking about 18 years to what age
they could be a television presenter,a tv pundit,and another tv pundit...
Lets be honest there's a lot of people too lazy to work particularly after furlough which gave them a sense of entitlement
Carers get paid for there work
We have to have some sort of national serveve, or if they havebeen on unemployed , then but them to work in the fileds. Picking.
Introduce WEALTH TAX!!! Stop stealing from the already poor and struggling!!
They just end up shoplifting instead
And there is the brexit problems Jeremy vine geting a platform to spew his bs,, sad,sad,sad,,
The IMF stands for international Mafia fund cartel
Here in Philippines over 40 million don't work no benefits family keep them but l never seen so lazy here
Yes they should work. We have millions of people in this country who just want live of benefits all there lives and they have done. They are finally getting caught.
But she can still talk
How about a decent paying wage, more people would take up jobs then. Stop looking down your noses at the worse off . How about the rich pay more tax and stop hiding their money in offshore tax havens
Well I hope they are going to concentrate on the Muslim men and women as well as everyone else, or will that be racist.
Mel stride is a liar
If you could highlight a particular social system that contributes greatly to a country’s demise financially, it’s the benefit system. It is way too generous, and the criteria necessary to receive pips and other health related benefits are now so wide that we have encouraged this way of life. I have several family members who rake in over £25k a year.
do you have a breakdown of what benefits they get that adds up to 25k a year ?
@@jondoe5532 here we go:
Im referring to a couple here btw.
Their own UC is about £600 a month.
One receives a PIP of about £470 (for something i cannot see)
They have 2 children both of which get attendance allowance equal to another 600 a month. Add to that child allowance of another £150
They live in a 3 bedroom house which the council charges £590 a month and they receive 80% housing benefit.
Why would you ever want to work? I think one person would need a salary of over £30k to take home the same amount.
And note: i know them. Except for one of the children, there is nothing wrong with them. Both lazy so and so’s who smoke all day long, and laughably moan constantly of being bored.
Oh, and i havnt even added the laughable cost of living payments they seem to receive every 3 months.
@@galaxianx01 I see, i didn't know about attendance allowance. It seems that there are the few who are playing the system for everything they can get and spoiling the system for the people who need it.
Shut the welfare down. Period
Cutting benefits will mean more crime. More robberies and more burglaries. What a great thought for us.
How will it enable more crime? 🤔
Are you stupid? No money means resorting to crime to get by@@jamiepr1991
@@jamiepr1991 less money for the poor means they have to turn to crime. Living in the real world will help before you reply.
@@bigpants6121 Rubbish, I was very poor when I was growing up, but never used it as an excuse to commit crime !
@@gigabyte2573You were poor but you had parents feeding you right? Point is, when people have nobody to rely on and no food, they will either steal or starve. Getting a job is not as easy as they make it. It takes time
I know loads of people who have abused the system for years so don't talk rubbish. This women is talking rubbish.
Learn English before you start judging
@@JB-wy8fc what you on about dope.
The English no so good😢