Utah Insider: Utah Thinking Big Ten, Not ACC
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Part two of my conversation with Josh Furlong, Sports Director and Utah beat writer for KSL.com. Utah's ultimate goal is the Big Ten, but they're happy in the Big 12 right now.
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As an Utah fan, I'm thrilled to join the B12! We've always had that underdog mentality which makes us a great fit, and gives us a good chance to take on the B10/SEC in the playoffs. The P12 was a joke, had way too many empty stadiums.
honestly though.... as fun as the Big12 is going to be I don't think there is any team in the Big12 that hasn't thought about their school being in either the SEC or the BigTen. The money and security is just unparalleled at the moment.
So true.
The 90’s was when BYU & Utah was awesome. Back when it was competitive.
I like the big ten taking Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Utah and Colorado.
And split into 2 divisions.Division 1 national powerhouses regardless of location. Division 2 has a few leagues of 7 or 8 teams.
In my humble opinion, NIL, Portal, and super conferences have destroyed college football. The playoff system has been designed to front load the big two conferences into title shot every year. Fans are in burnout👹
this was odd......
Utah cant even win the big 12 and already want out. I dont get it
Do we really think Utah is a b1g front runner when they were a g5 school 14 years ago, are in a small tv market and Oregon and Washington had to beg and take a pay cut to get in? Seems like a very long shot.
Yes. Next question?
Next two schools to go to the B1G are FSU and Clemson if we believe the rumors. Then UNC and Virginia would go to the SEC, again according to rumors.... That would bring the SEC up to 18. If both conferences stopped at 20, Utah is out. At 24, I think they're in. ND likely would be one of those remaining 4 B1G teams and then the SEC might counter... Idk. I do know Utah is a good football brand and they would be willing to go in for at least the foreseeable future without a full share. So, it's not farfetched 2-10 years from now if they continue to build the brand, that they get an invite.
@@tyandbrand I have to believe the p2 want big tv markets in the east first and foremost. It seems your point is well taken though, it comes down to the total number of schools in the p2
Oregon and Washington will be made whole partners after the next media contract. USC and UCLA came in just as the current contract was being renegotiated so they were able to get full shares. In the past other new members even a blue blood like Nebraska had to buy in until there was a new contract. If FSU or Clemson comes in they will also have to buy in and wait.
@@stackpack1498 W/O were added prior to the B1G's plans. Otherwise (among other evidence), an escalator clause would have been negotiated for both. So far, no broadcaster has agreed to pay Tier 1 value for W/O though the B1G has agreed to equal distributions later regardless of the future contracts.
Nebraska was a football king when it joined the B1G. Not so much since then. Utah football is nowhere near where Nebraska was back then.
Utah has much more available local talent on an annual basis. See 247 Sports over the past 20 years.
Nebraska football was a decade passed all that when they joined the B1G.
The fact remains that Nebraska had won five national football championships and was considered a king when it entered the B1G. If Utah had won two or three national titles, it would be a dramatically different conversation.
In addition, while geography does not seem to matter much any more, the State of Nebraska was contiguous to B1G states. Obviously that went out the window with two LA schools, then Fox causing UW and Oregon to be added. The B1G passed on Utah twice in the last year.
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Utah is where they need to be. We're XII now, we wearing the patch. Let's go!!!
I don’t get Utah ppl. They one two conference titles finally and I don’t think they have won a major bowl since being in the P5. They were average last year I know injuries but come on they have not been some super power this is ridiculous.
WV fan here Utah just said the loud part out and in front. We all want to get ahead and looking out for your self we seen this in the Big East. If WV had a chance to go to the SEC they wouldn't go? They be gone so fast your head would spend.
Josh sounds more like a BYU fan than an Utah fan.
'Dream B1G.' And, channeling the movie "My Cousin Vinny," 'What's a Ute?'
A what?
The B1G will never be an option for Utah despite what their ego tells them. They're lucky to be in the Big 12.
Lucky??🤣🤣with Houston byu ufc wvu Kansas ?? Laughable take, well good thing that’s your opinion because the news is out and the Utes would be the next to get an invite to the big 10
@@stoney2271 All new BIG12 members (including UTAH) have been both willing and able to accept a B1G invite since the TX/OK news, and none has been offered. UTAH is a bubble team (at best) for an ~24-team B1G.
@@tarheel7406 isn’t next to get an invite a bubble team?? No disrespect but you repeated my own statement back to me 🤣
@@stoney2271 Nope, UTAH will have to wait for its betters to be sorted first, so it won't be the "next".
@@tarheel7406 betters has nothing to do with it, now I know you’re just commenting to argue. You have zero idea what you’re talking about huh
Utah thinking Big Ten, Not ACC.
Replacing Utah with any ACC & Big XII team would be accurate as well.
I want to say "Duh" 🙂
Utah has only had AAU affiliation for 5 years (2019). This doesn’t place them in the academic blue-blood level that Colorado (1966) or Arizona (1985). It’s doubtful the Big Ten will look at any of the Mountain Time Zone programs in the next 2 decades. The B1G will look at ACC institutions like UNC & UVA in the more immediate future.
The mighty two time Rose Bowl participants 😂
The algorithm keeps gracing me with B12 content (B10 Fan). Lots of talk about Utah’s future and loyalties. Be honest, every team would jump to join the P2 without hesitation. But, for some odd reason, B12 fans keep vilifying Utah. Why? Just because some of their fans didn’t want to leave the PAC and have voiced their displeasure? Here’s some advice… STOP alienating your best football team/brand. They are your most talked about team nationally and will be the highest ranked. They are your best chance to stay relevant nationally. Would love to have them in the B10, along with KU, UNC and FSU. They are the B12’s biggest asset right now since football writes the checks
They vilify themselves. Utah is a ticking time bomb, once Whittingham retires they will regress.
I wouldn’t say every team would Jump to P2 w/ out hesitation …
@@happynotredamefan3736 seriously? Teams would literally double or triple their conference payouts. Plus the P2 will eventually break away after the next round of realignment and all other teams will be left out. I would be shocked if any team would truly contemplate staying in the B12 if a P2 opportunity came along.
That’s assuming that viewership and recruiting will be the same after this new era of playoff football. Tbh why would a team go and be a mid tier team in SEC or B1G and never sniffing the playoffs when they have a higher chance of playing in the postseason remaining in the ACC or the B12? The set of assumptions that created the postseason dominance of the B1G and SEC are no longer valid.
@@cr3070 perhaps, but the general assumption among CFB analysts and media is that the P2 will eventually further expand and create 2 super conferences. Then likely break off entirely and hold their own playoff. Those not in the P2 will be left out. Schools would much rather stay truly relevant as a mid tier P2 program and receive triple the payout, than be relegated to the minor leagues. It’s that simple IMO.
Blah, blah, blah. Utah in no way wanted the Big 12, literally the last place Utah wanted to be. Utah would jump ship to the Big 10 or reformed Pac 12 in a heartbeat lol Utah doesn’t want to be in a JV league like the new Big 12. Stop sugarcoating it lol
Haha. This guy actually thinks Utah Is better than the Big 12. Utah has never won anything in football. They’re literally K State in football. We saved Utah and they think they’re the main character. What a bunch of idiots
Considering Utah was a bad team in a small conference in the 90’s to breaking the BCS twice, beating a good saban Alabama team, invited to the Pac12 and having success there. They have only gotten better the last 25 years. You can understand why they don’t want to play in a conference with city teams Cincinnati and Houston lmao. Who are the big 12 going to invite next? Cleveland community college? lol The big 12 is what happened to the pac 12 but stayed together by inviting bad teams. Losing Texas and Oklahoma is like losing usc and ucla. Having the 4 corner schools added to the big12 saved it from total irrelevance. Utah became the immediate cream of the crop and king of the big 12. So you big 12 lifers should enjoy Utah while you can because they are not long for the bush league big12.
Utah is never going to the Big 10 or SEC unless they decide to expand to 50 schools.
Hate to burst your bubble, but Utah’s going to get promoted to the B1G or future Super League. And it’s obvious you’re going to be absolutely devastated when it happens.
T@@richaustin5849I wish there was a way to pull your comment up in 20 years to😂 @ U
@@wojapi7538 won’t need to wait nearly that long. Utah will be getting called up to join the biggest brands in CFB soon enough!
@@wojapi7538 no need to wait 20 years…you’ll know WAY sooner than that hahaha! The meltdown from all of you is going to be epic 🤣
I think that there's a program at work. I've noticed that Utah fans and Big 12 media mention that Urban Meyer coached at Utah and Ohio State but never Florida. Utah knows that it is not a good program. The Utes would be made mincemeat going to the SEC. Since Ohio State is in the Midwest like many Big 12 teams, Utah and the Big 12 media are only mentioning Ohio State because it is a competent conference anchor.
Cam goes down Utah is very mid. Kyle retires Utah who? Time is not Utahs friend
Utah is 26th in FBS for wins since 2010. BYU is 40th. I think we know who is mid.
@@danlower7834 enjoy it while you got it
When Kyle leaves, Scalley is right there to replace him.... In other words, I'm not worried.
Seems unlikely that Utah gets an invite anywhere else. They are similar to Boise State. They've had some really great years, but their brand and their tv market hold them back. It's hard to see them maintaining a great program for long... Like Boise State they will likely slip back to mediocrity. That being said, I hope they keep up a decent program because it's better for the big 12.
UTAH looks to have been a model PAC expansion and a convert to a goal of better academics (now AAU) and I suspect better overall athletics. It was also reported as vetted by the B1G.
Not a priority B1G target (and likely of no SEC interest), but a solid bubble option for an ~24-member B1G in the future. UTAH fans do overvalue the school relative to other expansion options.
If the SEC and B1G only go to 20-each, UTAH has no shot. If they go to ~24-each, UTAH is a high bubble team.
Exactly
True
At 24 each. I have to imagine they're in. At 20, no.
@@tyandbrand UTAH's problem is that the SEC likely has no interest, leaving only the B1G as a P2 buyer. The more ACC targets (plus ND) the B1G gets, the lower the chances for UTAH.
If the SEC has secured UVA & UNC, that's good news for UTAH.
Totally agree, the only possible way that Utah gets into the B1G is that ALL sports are competitive besides Football and Basketball and that the conference expands big time.
Im getting tired of all these Utah apologists saying sorry to the Big 12 like their fans are innocent in this toxic relationship
All the land grant schools have equal arguments to join the SEC or Big10. Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Arizona . I believe Brett Yormark has his sights on greater revenue and adding ACC schools. The SEC and Big10 will need to embrace the Big12 to keep from osterizing a large swath of the NCAA fan base. I'm looking forward to watching the new Big12.
The ACC would have to heavily deplete out to the SEC/B1G before any remainder would consider the BIG12, at which point it won't matter.
Colorado is not a Land Grant Institution
You’re high if you think the fans are happy to be in the third or fourth best conference. They want the big ten 100%. No one’s happy to be in the big 12 over the power 2.
UofA is the only land grant institution you listed the others are public research universities.
Utah and Arizona St make so much sense for the Big 10. Why? Since the Big 10 is building a National Conference, they fill in gaps because of those two schools bring the Salt Lake City and Phoenix TV Markets.
They absolutely do but that addition is mutually exclusive from the potential addition of Stanford +1 in the West at some point.
Unless Notre Dame demands Stanford, there's definitely a world where Stanford doesn't get it. The reasons are pretty simple. Nobody cares about Stanford athletics and hasn't got a long time. Add to that, they absolutely hate how college football has changed with NIL and the transfer portal. They also don't like the idea of paying players. They respect the "amateur" designation of college sports in general. I think they honestly could be on the outside looking in eventually. The B1G could've had them for next to nothing and passed.
One generally takes the flag (ARIZ) before the #2 (AZST).
@@tyandbrand Some have claimed that the B1G requires membership in the BTAA, and STANFORD refuses to share research resources. There's a watered-down version of the BTAA in the ACC, but it appears that the North Carolina schools have their own thing, so that's not a problem for STANFORD in the ACC.
No sense at all.
Will coach Wit still be coaching?
Lmao in what world is utah any better than anyone in the big 12? When I think Utah I think tcu at best...at best.
Utah has the easiest schedule this year, of all the contending teams in football. So, they are a good bet to win it all this year. But, After this year, I don't think they are any better than some of the other top teams in the Big-12. As in, like, half of them. The best part is, that I don't see any team dominating year in and year out. Which, is Great.
Utah is a flagship state university and AAU member. From those remaining from last year’s B12, only Kansas can say that too
West Virginia @@mistervancleef
@@janinebrittanica4314 WV is not AAU, my friend. …it is an R1 research school though, fwiw.
And yet they have a significantly smaller following than BYU who resides in the same state.
Dude, you keep talking about academic similarities? You aren't even the highest ranked school in your own state!
Per my quick reference, UTAH is among the best academic schools in the new BIG12. It would be among the worst in the B1G or ACC (even after expected depletion).
The BIG12 has never had a high academic brand, so its fans discount or often ignore this factor.
Sadly, my Utes are basically a junior college. We get BYU’s Academic leftovers. I don’t understand why we pretend to have good academics. Thanks for putting up with our toxic fans. Go Utes‼️
Nice try zoob. Take your fake Fandom of Utah back to Cougarboard.
He cites Nebraska, but could also cite Mizzou in the other direction. There are many programs who could make it in the P2 that are currently on the outside looking in. The P2 just doesn't want anyone to find out.
Great comparison on Nebraska. They had started a fall off before they left when rules changed with scholarships.
Then once they left the Big 12 the Texas recruit pipeline died and it did them in.
Now the $64,000 question - Is the Big Ten thinking Utah?
Simple Google search shows Utah as #115 college in the U.S. Admits 84% of applicants. Four year graduation rate is 18% lower than the national average.
Look at our grad schools homie. Nobel prize winners on staff. Of Best cancer centers in the world. Performed the first heart transplant. Law school is solid. Also simple google blah numbers don’t give an accurate picture.
Yeah, they aren't the academic institution they claim to be.
“Simple google search… ” 🙄 Is that how your university taught u to do research?
I’m not saying that Utah is a premier university. But I am saying that a google search is not enough to prove anything other than u have a basic understanding of how to use google’s search engine.
UU is top 50 in R&D expenditures, top 100 in Shanghai but has been rated top 10 in public US natioanal university lists.
Comparitvely, they subjectively may be "lower" than a UofA or Colorado but could be argued ahead of B1G members Oregon or even Nebraska.
In any case, they have enough of an academic profile to be in consideration for a B1G invite. All that though is less relevant to Utah's case when brand, market, national viewership, etc. are the real criterias. They could get a look IF the P2 does consider to expand to 48.
Great medical school, no denying that.
Based on how Brett Yormark is working and the increased revenues per school, a school may wish they had not moved on to the SEC or Big 10.
Nope, only schools with no shot of getting promoted say silly things like that. You must be a fan of TSPP haha!
What is TSPP? @@richaustin5849
Curious... What can BY do that would be unique and effective that the other conferences can't replicate?
Honestly, it was Bowlsby that saved the BIG12 by getting the members to abandon their dreams of invites from the other then P5s and backfill. BY could only prepare for the possible PAC incompetence and the resulting refugees, which came to fruition. Nothing BY did caused that PAC incompetence, and the BIG12 would be roughly the same either way. (The PAC scatter did put the BIG12 further behind the SEC/B1G.)
@@richaustin5849 I am a fan of many schools in the Big 12. I do not like any schools in the Big 10 or the SEC. Did you want to guess again?
@@tarheel7406 Innovation and Disruption is the Key! The Big 12 - Mexico is gearing up with a focus on religious audiences due to the members of Baylor and BYU. The parity of the Big 12 is a strategic advantage in that nobody knows who is going to win the conference from year to year. The fan base of religious affiliation is much stronger than any state school in the SEC or the Big 10 can compete with. Sure, Notre Dame is a powerhouse because of the capital from its religious affiliation. But, then Duke which is also owned by the Catholic church would be in competition with Notre Dame for the Catholic audience. Now, the Big 12 is working on international partners especially with ESPN International (different than ESPN, Inc.) to expand internationally with access to athletes and fans worldwide. So, the data analytics becomes more complicated for 247 Sports for recruiting because their data is based on United States coverage only and not on the international markets.
Utah has never and will never be big brother. They are little brother to BYU 100%. They just happen to be the little brother that matured to be bigger faster and stronger lol.
So that makes them... big brother now. 😂
I can only imagine how bad it sucks being a fan of your program that’s been irrelevant for 40 years. I guess it’s all you guys know at this point. I realize y’all are desperate for attention, especially when everyone only wants to talk about Utah. How pathetic the life of a TSPP fan…just awful.
@richaustin5849 who won the last matchup again? Keep laughing because once Whit retires your team will experience a significant downturn much like BYU post Lavell.
@danlower7834 Once little brother always little brother. It must hurt to have a better football product and still have to live with the fact that Utah will never have the following that BYU has.
@@brettallen1440 It's like you don't know how time works? 1892 was Utah Football's first year. When did byu start, 1930 or something?
Hope Arizona goes to the Big 10, worthy school
The BIG actually had its eye on Arizona when Oregon, WU joined.
think stanford and cal may go big after travel in acc crazy1