I tried uploading videos recored at 10bit 4k 30p and my computer started spazzing. The media player opened but stayed black and just shook like it was having a seizure. It was so bad that I couldn't even close the player down. My clicks were not doing anything.
10bit 4k will be taxing on some computers. It could just be your media player as some are inefficient. In that case you could try VLC. But if your computer is having trouble, it could be time to get a new one (or if you just want to edit the footage, you could try using proxies/reduced media in your video editor).
10-bit will give most players a fit. Even if you manage to play it, if you upload to social media, it will give that a fit. Most devices cannot play 10-bit. Most devices cannot deal with 4K neither. UA-cam may manage UHD (4K) but the monitors most viewer have can only handle FHD (1920x1080p) at best. The majority will be looking at your laborious efforts on a mobile phone. Two options - Edit the MOV and down size to 8-bit export. Do not record 10-bit but record in 8-bit.
Yes, unfortunately there is no 10-bit support in the free version. The Mac version of Davinci reads 10-bit files but I do not think it takes advantage of them -- after extensive tests, it seems like the 8-bit files provide just as much latitude as the 10-bit files in Davinci.
For posh video shoot MOV. For down and dirty, quick and easy upload to web, shoot MP4. On the older cameras offering AVCHD or MP4, Lumix FZ200 (bridge), Lumix G5,, even the G7 which can 4K in MP4, the AVCHD has a greater detail and clarity than MP4. On the E-PL7 and the E-M5ii and PEN-F which offer MOV or "Motion-JPEG" (which is not-quite MPEG4), the MOV is the better. With the GH4 we are now getting "proper" video with a whole raft of video format - AVCHD, MP4, MP4(LPCM), MOV (which has LPCM). Here MOV has greater clarity and detail than the others, less compression, the codec. Moving up to the G9 we now have even more video files formats. We now have AVCHD, MP4, MP4(HEVC), MOV. HEVC is rather specialised, more for external recorders and may give your computer a fit. LPCM (linear pulse code modulation) will provide the best audio. Now there is little visual difference between MP4 and MOV. MOV will produce a bigger file with less compression and might be preferred for high-end video whether 4K or FHD (there are good reasons for shooting FHD not 4K). MP4 is preferred for posting up on interweb. One can be edited and exported to the other. When shooting video we generally want the exposure to remain fixed throughout the clip, which means all-manual aperture, shutter, and ISO. The shutter will default to half the frame rate, at 50fps that is only 1/25s. For wildlife in motion we may want 1/1000s which will probably raise issues with the ISO. For stationary wildlife we might drop to 1/250s. Similar would apply to action, sports. Video has more leeway on exposure than stills, we can often under-expose by two stops and fix gamma later. Editing video doesn't have all the options that editing stills does, we may have thousands of frames to fix (which is a good reason for not shooting 4K)
Thanks for the detailed comment! Though I don't think 1/1000s is necessary for wildlife in motion. 1/120 at 60fps already looks pretty good and higher framerates still look a bit choppy I think. I also think it's the reverse: editing stills has more leeway than video, except maybe if you're shooting Raw video...my Raw files have much more leeway than any video I've shot in 10-bit...
@@JasonPolakPhotography a trick used in cinema action is to use a smaller shutter "angle" for action. 1/120 is default for 60fps and "180°" going to 90° would be 1/240. When we use high frame rate (for slo-mo) we lose 4K. High fps (60fps) may not be the best solution, a slow fps (30fps) with a fast shutter may make it less choppy.
@@JasonPolakPhotography yeah, yeah, it's not. The LPCM audio in MOV is better than AAC and VFR is useful but 10-bit has to be rendered and edited to make it viewable and freebie editors seldom touch it. HEVC is just a pain (unless for broadcasting). AVCHD is glorious but a royal pain to work with in edit. Most video is shot as MOV and common to export the edit as MP4. Photofunstudio should be able to preview all Lumix video formats but it is not a pukka editor nor a proper movie player.
Excellent, good stuff. I'm looking to replace my Sony camera and thought to check Panasonic. The Sony saves video in an .MTS file format. My camera was bought new pretty recently and was expensive. Here's what I found: 1) no way to convert .MTS file format to other video file formats. The industry-standard VLC media player can playback your .MTS video. And the VLC media player has a well-known video file converter. But when you convert .MTS video to .MP4 video, the audio is lost 2) not only can you not convert .MTS video produced by Sony cameras to other formats, you cannot find a video editor that will allow editing .MTS files either. This is why I originally sought to convert the .MTS videos to .MP4. "I'll just convert the .MTS video to MP4, because video editors recognize .MP4" No dice. No way to convert, no way to edit, these .MTS files. I dug into this issue, being surprised a big company like Sony would produce unusable video files that can only be played back, not converted, and not edited. Here's what I found: - Sony bought a company that originally created the .MTS video file format - Sony starting using the .MTS format in its video cameras in 2006, 18 (eighteen) years ago. I'm guessing there is a very stubborn executive at Sony who has ignored the customer base - because I have looked into the issue and this .MTS file is a well-known problem (see for example nesmithcreative.com/2012/09/28/mts-files-boy-they-suck-but-heres-one-solution/) Thank you Wild Earth Photo! - I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find a camera that can produce .MP4. When I look on Amazon, the listings are strangely quiet on what video file format the various cameras produce. I'm pretty stoked to have found your video, and I'm hopeful I can find a Panasonic camera that can save .MP4 video files. Cheers! .
Thanks for the comment. Actually most cameras can record MP4s these days. Please check out the website of B&H photo though. If you find any camera and look at its technical specifications, it usually lists the output formats there.
@@JasonPolakPhotography You're a blessing, sir! The range of camcorder choices at B & H Photo is encouraging, with complete specs describing MP4 support - thank you!
TBH 10-bit can be a pain. HEVC is a special cinematic compression. LPCM is better audio than AAC, this can be important, use MOV. HLG is hybrid log-gamma /transfer/. Long GOP is Long Group Of Pictures, compression is by group of frames, Long GOP is not better but faster, All-Intra is individual frame compression. AVCHD will give your computer a nervous breakdown, first of all it wants converting into something intelligible by Photofunstudio (this is by Silkypix - ISL - Ichikawa Soft Laboratories - and are involved with camera firmware of several camera brands), and now the multiple filenames are probably hidden files, they have to be loaded and edited to actually export a movie. There are so many variations it hurts.
@@JasonPolakPhotography I think it boils down to - if you want best audio, and I do for gigs and wildlife with shotgun mic, it's LPCM and MOV. If you want VFR, and I like slo-mo sometimes (although 180fps is actually "High Speed Video" not VFR), it's MOV. Note Olympus, the other mft, usually default to MOV (and their PCM recorders are of the best). If you want dead simple and compatible to everything out there, then MP4. A small failing of the G9 is its Long-GOP where the older GH4 can go All-Intra, and without the Deg/ISO (GH4 has that) it is less intuitive to vary the shutter speed in movie. Indeed it is not easy to adjust the exposure parameters on the fly when shooting movie on the G9, as we may have to do to grab a wildlife clip. It's fine if you have time to set up and meter beforehand but not once it's rolling. I have yet to figure out why 6K pre-burst are HEVC. Bah!
A concise and lucid comparison, Jason. I particularly enjoyed seeing the Goldeneye in slow motion.
Thank you Michael! I do love getting those slow motion shots of birds.
Thanks for the info! Im getting a G9 so its very helpful. Nice shots btw
Thanks :) Hope you enjoy your G9! It's a beast of a camera.
I tried uploading videos recored at 10bit 4k 30p and my computer started spazzing. The media player opened but stayed black and just shook like it was having a seizure. It was so bad that I couldn't even close the player down. My clicks were not doing anything.
10bit 4k will be taxing on some computers. It could just be your media player as some are inefficient. In that case you could try VLC. But if your computer is having trouble, it could be time to get a new one (or if you just want to edit the footage, you could try using proxies/reduced media in your video editor).
10-bit will give most players a fit. Even if you manage to play it, if you upload to social media, it will give that a fit.
Most devices cannot play 10-bit. Most devices cannot deal with 4K neither. UA-cam may manage UHD (4K) but the monitors most viewer have can only handle FHD (1920x1080p) at best. The majority will be looking at your laborious efforts on a mobile phone.
Two options -
Edit the MOV and down size to 8-bit export.
Do not record 10-bit but record in 8-bit.
Thank you, I was wondering why the the free version of davinci resolve wasn't reading my 10bit MOV file.
Yes, unfortunately there is no 10-bit support in the free version. The Mac version of Davinci reads 10-bit files but I do not think it takes advantage of them -- after extensive tests, it seems like the 8-bit files provide just as much latitude as the 10-bit files in Davinci.
Hablo español que es mejor grabar en MP4 o mov ya que mov aveces me da problema en adobe premier cuando grabó a 10 bit mov 60 fps
I'm afraid I don't know much about Adobe Premiere but is it possible that the 10 bit files are too much for your system?
For posh video shoot MOV. For down and dirty, quick and easy upload to web, shoot MP4.
On the older cameras offering AVCHD or MP4, Lumix FZ200 (bridge), Lumix G5,, even the G7 which can 4K in MP4, the AVCHD has a greater detail and clarity than MP4.
On the E-PL7 and the E-M5ii and PEN-F which offer MOV or "Motion-JPEG" (which is not-quite MPEG4), the MOV is the better.
With the GH4 we are now getting "proper" video with a whole raft of video format - AVCHD, MP4, MP4(LPCM), MOV (which has LPCM). Here MOV has greater clarity and detail than the others, less compression, the codec.
Moving up to the G9 we now have even more video files formats. We now have AVCHD, MP4, MP4(HEVC), MOV. HEVC is rather specialised, more for external recorders and may give your computer a fit. LPCM (linear pulse code modulation) will provide the best audio. Now there is little visual difference between MP4 and MOV. MOV will produce a bigger file with less compression and might be preferred for high-end video whether 4K or FHD (there are good reasons for shooting FHD not 4K). MP4 is preferred for posting up on interweb. One can be edited and exported to the other.
When shooting video we generally want the exposure to remain fixed throughout the clip, which means all-manual aperture, shutter, and ISO.
The shutter will default to half the frame rate, at 50fps that is only 1/25s. For wildlife in motion we may want 1/1000s which will probably raise issues with the ISO. For stationary wildlife we might drop to 1/250s. Similar would apply to action, sports. Video has more leeway on exposure than stills, we can often under-expose by two stops and fix gamma later. Editing video doesn't have all the options that editing stills does, we may have thousands of frames to fix (which is a good reason for not shooting 4K)
Thanks for the detailed comment! Though I don't think 1/1000s is necessary for wildlife in motion. 1/120 at 60fps already looks pretty good and higher framerates still look a bit choppy I think. I also think it's the reverse: editing stills has more leeway than video, except maybe if you're shooting Raw video...my Raw files have much more leeway than any video I've shot in 10-bit...
@@JasonPolakPhotography a trick used in cinema action is to use a smaller shutter "angle" for action. 1/120 is default for 60fps and "180°" going to 90° would be 1/240. When we use high frame rate (for slo-mo) we lose 4K. High fps (60fps) may not be the best solution, a slow fps (30fps) with a fast shutter may make it less choppy.
I only use mp4 and i can shoot 10 bit and variable frame rate on my panasonic.
How is this possible? The 10bit and VFR are disabled when MP4 or MP4 HEVC is selected.
@@JasonPolakPhotography yeah, yeah, it's not.
The LPCM audio in MOV is better than AAC and VFR is useful but 10-bit has to be rendered and edited to make it viewable and freebie editors seldom touch it. HEVC is just a pain (unless for broadcasting). AVCHD is glorious but a royal pain to work with in edit. Most video is shot as MOV and common to export the edit as MP4.
Photofunstudio should be able to preview all Lumix video formats but it is not a pukka editor nor a proper movie player.
Excellent, good stuff. I'm looking to replace my Sony camera and thought to check Panasonic.
The Sony saves video in an .MTS file format. My camera was bought new pretty recently and was expensive. Here's what I found:
1) no way to convert .MTS file format to other video file formats. The industry-standard VLC media player can playback your .MTS video. And the VLC media player has a well-known video file converter. But when you convert .MTS video to .MP4 video, the audio is lost
2) not only can you not convert .MTS video produced by Sony cameras to other formats, you cannot find a video editor that will allow editing .MTS files either. This is why I originally sought to convert the .MTS videos to .MP4. "I'll just convert the .MTS video to MP4, because video editors recognize .MP4" No dice.
No way to convert, no way to edit, these .MTS files. I dug into this issue, being surprised a big company like Sony would produce unusable video files that can only be played back, not converted, and not edited. Here's what I found:
- Sony bought a company that originally created the .MTS video file format
- Sony starting using the .MTS format in its video cameras in 2006, 18 (eighteen) years ago.
I'm guessing there is a very stubborn executive at Sony who has ignored the customer base - because I have looked into the issue and this .MTS file is a well-known problem (see for example nesmithcreative.com/2012/09/28/mts-files-boy-they-suck-but-heres-one-solution/)
Thank you Wild Earth Photo! - I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find a camera that can produce .MP4. When I look on Amazon, the listings are strangely quiet on what video file format the various cameras produce. I'm pretty stoked to have found your video, and I'm hopeful I can find a Panasonic camera that can save .MP4 video files. Cheers!
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Thanks for the comment. Actually most cameras can record MP4s these days. Please check out the website of B&H photo though. If you find any camera and look at its technical specifications, it usually lists the output formats there.
@@JasonPolakPhotography You're a blessing, sir! The range of camcorder choices at B & H Photo is encouraging, with complete specs describing MP4 support - thank you!
@@JasonPolakPhotography Thank you!
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You are welcome.
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I am happy you liked it!
TBH 10-bit can be a pain. HEVC is a special cinematic compression. LPCM is better audio than AAC, this can be important, use MOV. HLG is hybrid log-gamma /transfer/. Long GOP is Long Group Of Pictures, compression is by group of frames, Long GOP is not better but faster, All-Intra is individual frame compression. AVCHD will give your computer a nervous breakdown, first of all it wants converting into something intelligible by Photofunstudio (this is by Silkypix - ISL - Ichikawa Soft Laboratories - and are involved with camera firmware of several camera brands), and now the multiple filenames are probably hidden files, they have to be loaded and edited to actually export a movie. There are so many variations it hurts.
@Jeff - Thanks for the concise explanation!
@@JasonPolakPhotography I think it boils down to - if you want best audio, and I do for gigs and wildlife with shotgun mic, it's LPCM and MOV. If you want VFR, and I like slo-mo sometimes (although 180fps is actually "High Speed Video" not VFR), it's MOV. Note Olympus, the other mft, usually default to MOV (and their PCM recorders are of the best). If you want dead simple and compatible to everything out there, then MP4.
A small failing of the G9 is its Long-GOP where the older GH4 can go All-Intra, and without the Deg/ISO (GH4 has that) it is less intuitive to vary the shutter speed in movie. Indeed it is not easy to adjust the exposure parameters on the fly when shooting movie on the G9, as we may have to do to grab a wildlife clip. It's fine if you have time to set up and meter beforehand but not once it's rolling.
I have yet to figure out why 6K pre-burst are HEVC. Bah!