The Wall's ending is actually pretty sad when you realize it's all a cycle and loops back to the beginning of the album. It technically ends where the album begins. The final words on the album are "isn't this where". And the first words are "we came in".
Pink Floyd's music isn't super complex, it is just very artistic to the point where it becomes progressive. Keep in mind, progressive music doesn't have to be complex (look up the definition). I personally find myself gravitating more towards the concept than the music but both the music and the concept are intriguing and worth of respect.
yes, they are not complex in sense of instrumental intricacy(like Yes or fusion bands), but when it comes to their songwriting, it is quite complex...... long tracks with several different parts, rhythm changes, different arrangements....... Floyd are definitely more complex and prog-y than the regular commercial music "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus" formula...... on top of that also incredibly intelligent lyricwriting
But why do seemingly everyone rush [no pun intended] to shit on complexity? I find that rhythmic and harmonic complexity gives me a cerebral joy which can't be replaced by anything else. Maybe there should be a genre called "complex rock", and then "progressive" would not be such a coveted adjective, nor one used to bash complex, but not ground-braking music.
@@micshazam842 I think of progressive rock as not being based on how a band's influence progressed rock, but rather how the band itself pushed the boundaries of what was expected or acceptable in its time. The subtle distinction renders bands such as Gentle Giant, Camel, and Argent as great prog acts. None of these bands really had a large influence on music (at least in the mainstream). The original mission statement was to make original music that moved people in an emotional and intellectual way.
I like how even though Mike doesn't like Pink Floyd, he still acknowledges how impactful they were to classic rock which I can definitely respect. There's a lot of critically acclaimed music that I don't like, but I can understand the praise that the artists get. It's still very admirable that Mike does still see the appeal even though he doesn't personally like something. He's just being honest and it's completely understandable.
@@timdc4972 They contributed a lot to being one of the earliest psychedelic groups which they became a leading band of the progressive rock genre. They also help pioneered extended compositions, sonic experimentation, philosophical lyrics and elaborate live shows even before Led Zeppelin was formed. Zeppelin formed in ‘68. Floyd’s first album was released in ‘67.
As a die hard Pink Floyd fan I thoroughly enjoyed how you presented arguments about why you disliked them which ironically were the same reasons I liked them. Interesting how much is a matter of taste. You obviously did your homework though which is respectful for a band you don’t really dig. I would love to hear your thoughts on Phish.
It's obvious you don't have a clue. You should keep your mouth closed if you don't want to look like an idiot. Just because you have some music knowledge doesn't mean you understand real music. It's like the beer bellied arm chair quarter back. He'll tell everything you want to know about the sport and tell you everything all of the players are doing wrong. Just put him out on the field and he will get squished like a bug. That's you!
Gilmour didn't kick Waters out. Waters "ended" the band. After The Final Cut, Waters considered Pink Floyd a spent force and didn't want to ruin the band's legacy by continuing. The problem was, Gilmour and Mason didn't want to stop being Pink Floyd. The band did break up for a few years though. Waters and Gilmour both did solo albums, but then Gilmour started working with Mason on his next album and wanted to turn it into a Pink Floyd project. He invited Waters, but Waters insisted that Pink Floyd was done. So they tried to use the "Pink Floyd" name without Waters, and Waters sued them. Gilmour invited Wright onto the project which tipped the scales deeply in his favor, and Gilmour won the legal dispute and was able to use the name "Pink Floyd" without Waters.
Waters later admitted that he failed to appreciate that Pink Floyd was far bigger than any individual member of the band. He had this realisation when he went solo and realised that few people even recognised the name Roger Waters, whereas everyone knew about Pink Floyd. It was a brand that had been built up over many years, and him walking away from that didn't mean that Pink Floyd ceased to exist, just as it didn't cease to exist when Sid left. It doesn't work like that, especially in a legal sense.
@@bobbobbins4877 Branding is part of it but the quality of the music is really where the divide really is. In 1987 it was Momentary Lapse of Reason vs Radio KAOS....MLOR was a far superior record in most peoples minds.
I believe Echoes is one of the greatest songs ever recorded, but I can understand why someone would think it's bloated. I guess you just need to be a certain kind of person in order to appreciate it fully
I think the wah-wah pedal seagulls bit in the middle goes on for a bit too long but I agree it's a great example of a Pink Floyd "something with a beginning, a middle and an end" song.
The song is 23 minutes Short, it’s the shortest song ever once you start developing a flavour for it. It’s like wine, some like it sweet, but once you develop the flavour for a nice Bordeaux, there’s no going back.
Pink Floyd is literally my favorite band of all time. I believe they tap into a collective element of many human being's consciousness with both their lyrics and musical compositions. Never took multiple listens to like anything from them, its always just been magic at first listen and it's the most connected I've ever felt to music.
It IS an amazing album but still my favorite is Animals. I find it hard to figure out why it's so frequently overlooked. Give it a listen and try and tell me it's not great. Unless of course it's just not your cup ot tea. I mean that as an "in genera;" thing. It's not pointed at anybody in particular. I guess I'm saying that to the world.
As a guitar player who grew up listening to, and playing, Yngwie, Dream Theater, Randy Rhodes etc... I honestly consider Gilmour an exceptional guitar player. He is able to serve the song, and lift the music up to a incredibly high level. The Wall and Animals are 2 of the greatest albums ever produced.
Syd Barrett actually visited Pink Floyd in the studio during the recording of WYWH. His physical appearance was so different, the other guys didn’t recognize him at first - he had gained a considerable amount of weight and had shaved his head and eyebrows. Once they realized who it was they broke down and cried. Barrett would go on to attend David Gilmour’s wedding reception (later that day, IIRC), but that would be the last time they saw him.
He got clicks…i imagine this guy likes Raffi’s Baby Beluga and baby shark song…(never argue with a moron, a neutral onlooker will not be able to tell which one’s the moron
Thanks for making such a well-made video in a respectful way discussing your opinions. Shows you care more about conveying a message about the music than just trying to make a video, which is rare but important. That’s what I like about your approach to videos (that Christian rock series was CRAZY!)
I appreciate the good vibes 🙏 I really wasn't particularly interested in Pink Floyd before I started this, and now I'm VERY interested lol. So I got a lot out of this experience. I'm happy you could see that in the video.
Pink Floyd was my gateway to exploring other bands and different genres and styles of music, they were my first exposure to progressive rock back when I knew absolutely nothing about music or the genre itself. I may have grown out from Pink Floyd but I always find myself coming back to them. Forever of my favorite bands of all time.
Gilmour wrote a song on it and did a lot of work on the music, mason and wright had significant music performance on it, just because waters wrote it and had a major part in the way it was done does not make it a solo album, on the other hand you seem to be describing AMLOR well except you should change the name waters to gilmour.
@@kevinohara2618 Wright wasn’t on the final cut as he left at the end of making the wall and while Mason and Gilmour are present they are both very much pushed to the side by the overbearing influence of Waters. Compared to AMLOR which while featuring Gilmour prominently does at least have a fair amount of Wright and Mason included.
@@conormurphy4328 yes you are right about wright not being on tfc, sorry i wrote in haste without thinking properly, but wright and mason initially had been given very small parts of amlor, wright small parts as a session musician and mason barely touched the drums as a drum machine was used, (mason did play on concerts though), it wasnt till many many years later that gilmour did a remix with mason on all tracks and more hammond playing by wright added, (i think after his death, but i could be wrong about timing). Gilmour said this was because he often felt that he didnt follow the timeless template that he should have followed.
To me, Gilmour’s “mastery” if you will, is in his phrasing, vibrato, and bending. He leaves a lot of “space” in between the notes, and combined with Rick Wright’s keyboards, created an atmosphere all its own.
I actually like David Gilmour What I HATE are the boomers who copy him REALLLLLLY badly and then tell anyone better than them that they have "no soul" because they aren't stuck playing slow pentatonic solos over backing tracks called "heartbroken slow blues" Gilmour is great, 90% of those who idolize him are pretentious and generic.
The people who criticize John Petrucci and Steve Vai are these same people who talk about Gilmour like that. I worship Gilmour myself but I don't say someone has "no feel" because they don't play exactly like Gilmour. It's the same thing with the Mike Portnoy and Mike Mangini argument.
@@michaelflorczyk1394 EXACTLY. Like if we could just respect musicians and end it at that, none of this would have to be said. Heck I'm not even that great of a guitarist, I can barely sweep pick. But I also don't get jealous of better musicians or attack them!
The crazy thing about this, while I generally do agree, is that 60% of the time those obnoxious boomers are correct. The problem is that they treat the other progressive-minded 40% with the same dismissive attitude the over-techy/soulless 60% rightfully deserve.
As a huge lifelong fan, I seriously appreciate your time spent and fair minded review. Your points are valid and well thought, and I see where you are coming from. "The Wall" owned my brain for like 2 solid years as an early teen. I can see why if anything, you came away with the most interest in that project. This is one of the best and most honest well researched analyses of this band by a non-fan I have ever heard. Well done.
My parents love Pink Floyd, so I think that had a good bit of influence on my current music tastes. I rarely listen to them on my own, but I have huge respect for them. Funnily enough, Mike reacting to elders reacting to Pink Floyd was the video through which I discovered this channel, so that only adds on to why they're special to me in a way.
Considering Roger Water's feelings about war and government, the Cold War had a huge influence on the music style and lyrics of Pink Floyd. It seems to be a common theme throughout their entire catalog.
The build of the solo on Hey You is absolute magic. He can do with one note it takes others ten to do. His playing always serves the song. I think he's great.
You don't need to be under the influence to appreciate Pink Floyd. Also David Gilmour has more soul while playing the guitar than most of the progressive guitar players, he is a genius and I love progressive music as well. The thing with PF is that you don't need to focus too much on the music structure or the chord progression, just listen and enjoy, I always find myself discovering new features in their songs. As Dave Mustaine said once: "I'm of the belief that a player like David Gilmour could do more with one note than some of today's shredders can do with a dozen." Great review BTW.
I think Mike looks for different things from music than most people. He seems to want every second stuffed with content or progression or as close as a song can get to that which pink floyd does have sometimes but also has long swathes of more idle “go with the flow” music which I think he finds hard to enjoy.
I don't know if he's really so focussed on "dense" music. I mean, look at his album rankings: the albums he ranks highest are definitely not written in the densest way. He just loves well structured music, and so do I to be honest.
@@rcurl44 oh mike lays into dream theater as well for doing that type of stuff. Take for example, his newest video on why he doesn't care about Dream Theater's new album.
They say nobody got more out of a note than BB king did. I would say David Gilmore gives him a run for his money, and he knows how to play chords also.
Great video man. Your last sentence about the wall was so important my friend. I think pink floyd password has been hidden in this album. A few more listens to this album will reveal something not just musically but socially and psychologically. This album is so smart that lives, breathes and ages with you. There are moments in life that you hear this album whispering to your ear"I told you so" and you get shocked how you missed that part. I started listening to this album at 13 and now I'm 42 and I still feel like this album is a big brother to me teaching about my own personality. About some of the earlier pink floyd albums I totally agree with you and that's why pink floyd is my no 2 favorite band of all time not number 1. The number 1 band has been "dream theater" for 24 years. Again great and fair analysis
I’m just glad Mike was able to find music he loved out of a band he doesn’t love. It’s okay to say that you don’t like a certain band, especially a band like Pink Floyd. Art is so great because of how subjective it is, beauty in the eye of the beholder and whatnot.
* I love hearing different opinions and have a peaceful debate, if you don’t mind, I will say my opinion about my band (sorry for the super long text). Pink Floyd is my favorite band, but doesn’t I love all their content. What makes me love them is the point for me considering the my favorite. I have the same feeling as yours about the first album, it’s really bizarre as you said in the video. We share the same opinion in the first era, to be honest (and yes, I divide the eras in the same way as you do). I don’t like “More” and “Ummagumma” too. I love when someone gives the deserved credit for the engineers that worked with the band, I totally agree with you when you consider how impactful they were to the spud of the band as a role. I they they’ve grown musically with “Atom Heart Mother” and they found their sound in “Meddle”. I understand why you don’t like Echoes, I love the song, but not as much as others do. And we share the same opinion again about “Obscure By Clouds”, even about the songs itself. About the Third Era, that’s the era that made me love them. I don’t need to say anything about “Dark Side”, to me, what needs to be said, has already been said. It’s not my favorite album tho, but it’s a legendary record in all points. About “Wish You Were Here”, Shine on is my all time favorite (I prefere the parts 6-9 than 1-5, impacts me more). My second favorite album of them, I think it combines all the things they’ve done in a astonishing way too. About Animals, I like the album, but, again, we are sharing almost the same opinion. The Wall is L E G E N D A R Y. My Inspiration as the musician I want to be (when speaking about lyrics, production, etc.). My favorite album, but, this doesn’t make the album perfect to me. I don’t like that much some songs that took away all the adrenaline that other songs in the album have. I don’t like the Final Cut to be honest, but enjoyable sometimes. Talking about the Final era, I don’t like that much about the first album of the era, but I love “The Division Bell”, One of My favorites (in my top 5). The Endless River to me is more a Instrumental content to explore than an album. The aspects that you point in “what make they remarkable” is perfection in my opinion, you put all theirs characteristics that made them the band they were. You have good points when you speak about what you don’t like them that much, and some of them I agree too. The First one is a good point and we agree. I understand you don’t like the excessive simplicity in some of their catalogue, I just fell relaxe when hearing them. Well, Pink Floyd is a band that makes me think, and musically makes me relaxed to be honest. Sorry for the long text (I don’t know if you will read this) but I need to say: thank you for the video, I really love how you organize and say your opinions. The way you look to understand the things in most of your videos is inspirational to me, a guy that lacks efficiency in that point.
One small quibble: Syd didn't leave after Saucerful. Pink Floyd started recording the album with Syd, but as he became more erratic, the rest of the band brought in David Gilmour. They played as a five-piece for about a week before they just decided one night not to pick up Syd for the show. They went back into the studio and finished the album without Syd. I can understand why you don't like Pink Floyd if you see a lot of the tracks as "bloated." If you're listening to Pink Floyd expecting them to "get to the point," you're almost always going to be sorely disappointed. The whole point is about losing yourself in the musical atmosphere -- and listening to Gilmour's guitar magic. Nor do you need to be "under the influence" to fully enjoy the music. I've never lit up anything and have loved these guys for decades. I connect the least with Waters when he rants. Gilmour is spot-on about how Waters focuses more on words than on melody. Probably why I find "The Wall" an overlong, indulgent, whiny bore, by far the most overrated of their albums. (No happy ending, by the way. Listen closely -- the very end loops back to the beginning.) "The Final Cut" has so much more musical beauty, and yet it gets totally overshadowed. "Division Bell" was the best of the post-Waters era. "Endless River" was a pointless way for the band to bow out. "Echoes" was their absolute pinnacle.
I am a big Pink Floyd fan. At the same time, I really appreciate this kind of methodic and well structured criticism, because it shows how opinions and personal experience may vary and reflect in our personal approach to music that's supposed be universally acclaimed. Well constructed video Sir, good job!
I appreciate the feedback 🤘 as some commenters have pointed out I did miss the final band breakup factually, but I did want to drive home a certain level of subjectivity to it.
David Gilmore might not be one of the top 10 best guitarists ever but I’d LOVE to see you write a single solo that’s more impactful than any of his. I’m a guitarist as well and I could never bring myself to say Gilmore is overrated.
So Mike has to be the best solo composer in the world to have an opinion? This is the laziest arguement mankind has ever thought of. You sir are very cringe. Overrated does not mean bad. It means people give him too much credit when there are better writers out there which there are.
pink floyd is not a band you fall in love instantly , i had the same perspective as you when i first listened to them, i really didnt like em at all , but somehow one day i sat down and was like, i need something to listen to that is not metal to relax, i relax to metal still , but that time i was in a strange state of mind , the first song i played was echoes , it was that very moment wheen something clicked. in my first listens i was trying to find something to like about their songs intead of letting my emotions emmerse and dive in their songs , it is about the emotions those notes trigger, it takes you to a trip, idk if i explained it well but that was my best attempt to explain
As a huge Pink Floyd fan, I was a little worried they were going to get torn apart in this video, and although I disagreed on some things, I enjoyed how objective this was. Great video!
When I was younger I’ve always found Pink Floyd to be very tacky. Especially Brick In The Wall. However last year when we went into lockdown I became very interested in beterring myself in songwriting and somehow discovered love for Pink Floyd. Falling very deeply in love with music you previously hated is an insanely weird feeling.
The one thing I’m surprised that didn’t make you fall in love with Gilmour is his bending and vibrato. I get if you’re making a list and objectively comparing, it’s hard to put him against some of the other guys that are more technically proficient. To me the guitar is a voice, and in order to be one of the greatest, you have to be able to say something that resonates to a large mass. Which I think the solos in Time, Money, Dogs, Comfortably Numb, etc. do as good a job as anything I can think of. I don’t know where I’d put him, not #1, but he’s well earned his spot on my short list of the greatest guitar players ever 🎸 Hope you keep rocking on and always appreciate your perspectives man (even if we agree to disagree) 🤘
Analysing Floyd from a modern perspective is a fool's errand. Yeah they seem a bit outdated in the context of modern prog and everything that the genre has done, but at the time no one could match them. Although I rarely listen to them, I'll always respect their legacy
I would have crapped on early Pink Floyd a lot harder if it was only from a modern prog perspective. And I think it's a fool's erand to only isolate a work in it's own time period.
You should eventually do one of these full band reviews for Periphery. You haven’t talked about them in a while and I love hearing you talk about them. This is an excellent video, enjoying the content. Keep it up!!!
I could listen to Animals, Obscured By Clouds, Meddle and Saucerful on repeat without ever getting tired of them. It's just such amazing music, of course The Wall, Wish You Were Here and Dark Side are absolute classics however I think I've listened to those albums so many times that it just doesn't do much for me anymore, I guess I appreciate the "weird sounds" and spooky/psychedelic/cosmic atmosphere a bit more than the cleaner, more commercial sounds. It really surprised me that he didn't like "Echoes" as well, it's probably one of the greatest songs in human history.
Really really cool man! Regardless of your opinion I think it’d be awesome to do this for tons of bands! Tons of genres! Very cool to just sit for 40 minutes inundated with a bands music.
My first time really listening to Meddle was in an abandoned mine in New Jersey. The entrance was blocked with a huge steel door that someone had cut a square in so you could get in. We had Meddle playing on a portable 8 track wandering through the mine with thousands of small bats hanging from the ceiling and just flashlights and a portable lamp I think. Meddle was the perfect album for that environment and state of mind.
Animals is a slow burn and it’s one of those albums that sounds better on subsequent listens. It’s the first album I ever actually found myself longing to hear again (when I was in basic training with no access to my music). I find “Dogs” particularly brilliant. The acoustic work is simple but tasty, that intro Dm9/Bb/A9sus4/Bb7 reminds me of a prototypical Opeth riff. The message of the song (culminating in being dragged down by your own weight) is the biggest “fuck you” to corporate middle management in a song ever.
I took a class in college that included a technical breakdown of Shakespeare's soliloquy's and my 1st thought was Waters uses those same techniques in the lyrics of Dogs. "And it's to late to use the weight to use the weight you used to need to throw around...." That whole part until he's dragged down by the stone is perfect cadence and annunciation. Brilliant.
The Wall is my favorite album by far. I have similar thoughts about the Floyd: - I honestly don't care for the early albums, though I like the Echoes song. The only one I listened fully is Meddle. - The big four (dark side to the wall) are great albums. I really love Dark Side, but The Wall is still number one to me. - The Final Cut is not nearly as good as it's predecessors, but way better to me than the albums that followed it.
i really like the more laid back acoustic ones as well pre dark-side. Wots uh the deal, green is the colour, fearless. really soothing, doesn't have that suspense of what Floyd are known for, it's like listening to a different band
Shredding may not nourish the soul, but sure it nourishes a cerebral itch somewhere in the logical circuits in the brain, which most "soul" first people seems to lack.
At the 3ish minute mark you mention the "jams". I used to play in a band called the Cunning Stunts. We'd play these gigs that had 3 sets and we'd jam for 45 minutes per set. No covers. just making it up as we went. This was in the mid 80s in Toronto. I'm the keyboard player and usually I'd just start something and the rest of the band would surefire it out. I get why Floyd did that. People actually like it. I'm sure the audience was high too. So were Floyd's audiences. That's very important to remember. I've played a lot of Floyd over the years.
@@BecomeTheKnight We had perfected the art of jamming pretty well. We had been doing it for a long time. Well over a decade. Our guitar player and bass player pretty much never did covers. We had a basement under a barber shop and since it had all the gear, we'd just show up and make up music. More in a fusion style than a trippy spacey style although we occasional did a bit of that too. Not too much though. I always liked to have melodies and sections that made sense so I'd re-introduce parts just to maintain a sense of continuity.
I always liked Pink Floyd, just as a good and iconic band. BUT the time I saw Roger Water Live was a complete turnaround for me, they became one of my favourite bands, because they took me to a diferent dimension with their music (and I wasn't on drugs...). Best concert Ive ever been.
Fantastic video. I really love the honest and candid review of the band. Personally they are one of my top 3 favorite bands of all time, and Gilmour might be my very favorite guitar player. I always felt like his solos cut right through me. Though they weren't incredibly technical by any measure, they just hit me like a ton of bricks in a way no other player does.
I agree with you because Pink Floyd isn't one of those bands I feel like I need to listen to all the time. I think you have to be in a particular headspace to listen to Floyd. Like, if you wanna get high or just chill out and calm your nerves. But, I will say, I see why DSOTM is labeled the most iconic album of all time because of the musicality and the production. My favorite song is Great Gig because they brought in a singer (Clare Torry) who can wail. Like, every time I listen to her vocal solo on that track, she sounded incredible. It makes me wonder how many takes she had to do to belt and completely emote from her gut like that.
@D That's what I thought too because as a singer, when you're giving it all (vocally) and can make it sound powerful and emotional, there's no reason to do more than one take. I would've been blown away too if I heard that in the studio. I like it when singers get to do what they want and show off what they can do with their voice. That's what I love about jams because as a singer myself, you get to come in and come out and show off your vocal talents. It takes a LOT of guts and confidence to blow like that and amaze everyone. I see why Mr. S from School of Rock wanted Tamika (his talented backing singer) to listen to Great Gig from that album
@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 Yeah, I think it was only her second take, or her first complete take. From what I understand, she started throwing random interjections in the first time, so the band cut her off and said "none of that ooh-baby shit," and then her next take was exactly what you hear on the record. Unbelievable stuff. My favorite guest vocals on a rock LP next to Merry Clayton's work on "Gimme Shelter."
You didn't smoke weed and dwell on your inner thoughts while trying to understand this weird exisrtance youve found yourself... yourself? Music is just as much felt as heard.
Yep, the main thing about David's feel is timbre. The tone and unique sound. However, there are two things that are his doing that also influence this. The bends and the vibrato. They're right on the money. Is he a guitar GOAT? Technically, no. Then again, people consider Slash one of the GOATs and in comparison David Gilmour is a guitar god. All that being said, if you listen to David on Marooned and don't get shivers from the first note, you have no soul.
Pink Floyd is really as preference and a choice. Music has no correct answers. I love Pink Floyd, they are my favourite band. I realise they are not for everyone but I love all Eras of Pink Floyd. Even the underrated albums as amazing in my opinion.
The only reason I bare to have echoes on my playlist, is because one of the parts is so fucking good. being from 2:55 to 7:00 into the song. Also, pink Floyd is my most favorite band. Love them. But half of their music is disappointing too. Particularly before and after the waters era. Also, I know your interests and understand pink Floyd isn't your thing, but either way, your opinion is all I could ask for and glad that you delved in for a deeper look. Much respect. Enjoyed this video a lot
The Floyd did not start out "miserable" by any means. It was actually psychedelic pop with Syd, funny, quirky. What hooked me was DSOTM and the Wall, largely because that was how I felt in my teen years: miserable, and I felt the shear depth of it and the meaning. It was later I got into Meddle and Ummagumma, etc. I saw Roger in 2022 but now don't love the man. I don't think he is antisemitic, but he is not giving off the message he thinks he gives off. Glad I saw him though, lifelong dream. Would definitely have liked to meet him and discuss politics at length, particularly since I was running for Congress on a Progressive platform, and live in NYS (he lives in the Hamptons.) We shared very similar views toward Native nations' reparations and supporting American Indian rights. I like the crowd he draws too, peaceful, hippy, lots of weed in the air. Pretty cool experience. Unfortunately I missed the beginning of in the flesh, was stuck in a men's room line. I posted that on my media, and the guitarist liked my post.
I have a special fondness for Meddle, but there's no PF album I've listened to more than The Final Cut. I understand why people don't like it but it speaks to me. Have long been a big fan of the flawed genius that is Roger Waters.
Gilmour did not kick Waters out. How could he have? Waters was the leader of the band and it was only Gilmour and Mason left with him in the band at that point. Waters wanted to do more solo albums after his first one: "Pros & Cons..." instead of doing more Pink Floyd, and Gilmour and Mason with the record company tried to threaten him with legal action should he not come back immediately to write another PF album, so he filed with the record company that he was quitting. Gilmour and Mason still desperately wanted to use the PF name as a cash cow, so the result was mainly a David Gilmour and guests/hired hands album being released under the PF name. Gilmour didn't have the artistic & moral integrity to honestly represent himself as a solo artist & work on building his solo career at that time. This made the bad blood between him & Waters even worse to the point where bridges were burned so that we would never again get a proper Pink Floyd album and tour.
It's a shame AMOLAD and The Division Bell get tossed aside to much. No, David is not as good as Roger with lyrics, but they still fit the music very well. Songs such as Sorrow, High Hopes, Keep Talking, and The Dogs War do have some very solid lyrics, and the instruments on those songs, and these records are great!
26:35 Dogs: -has one of the most amazing intros. Memorable and preparing you for what to expect to the album. -has 3 amazing solos. The second one being one of the very best of David Gilmour. -the bit at 3:41 is among the finest things that pink Floyd ever did. -one of the best finales. Pigs: -one of the most recognizable keyboard intros (and intros in general) ever. -the rhythm is so catchy. -one of the most cathartic ending solos ever. Rivalize Comfortably numb. Sheeps: -a good keyboard intro. Quite pleasent. -the most ferocious track of the album. I agree that maybe some bits are a little long. So maybe you dislike the disc, and that's ok. But aside other songs in their discography, they don't feel as awkward. And to say the album isn't memorable... You must be deaf.
I was a huge Pink Floyd fan in my teen years (mid 80's), had the Wall on cassette and wore it out. I have a friend who is still a huge Floyd fan, but I personally can't listen to it anymore. Just not where my head is at anymore. Great analogy BTW.
The Wall's ending is actually pretty sad when you realize it's all a cycle and loops back to the beginning of the album. It technically ends where the album begins. The final words on the album are "isn't this where". And the first words are "we came in".
Yeah, it's insane
@D ok buddy
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@D Damn you must be fun at parties
@D because you have a profound and deep understanding of the personal lives and beliefs of all the band members in Floyd, right?
Pink Floyd's music isn't super complex, it is just very artistic to the point where it becomes progressive. Keep in mind, progressive music doesn't have to be complex (look up the definition).
I personally find myself gravitating more towards the concept than the music but both the music and the concept are intriguing and worth of respect.
thats because it's rooted in blues, not jazz
yes, they are not complex in sense of instrumental intricacy(like Yes or fusion bands), but when it comes to their songwriting, it is quite complex...... long tracks with several different parts, rhythm changes, different arrangements....... Floyd are definitely more complex and prog-y than the regular commercial music "verse-chorus-verse-chorus-solo-chorus" formula...... on top of that also incredibly intelligent lyricwriting
But why do seemingly everyone rush [no pun intended] to shit on complexity? I find that rhythmic and harmonic complexity gives me a cerebral joy which can't be replaced by anything else. Maybe there should be a genre called "complex rock", and then "progressive" would not be such a coveted adjective, nor one used to bash complex, but not ground-braking music.
@@micshazam842 I think of progressive rock as not being based on how a band's influence progressed rock, but rather how the band itself pushed the boundaries of what was expected or acceptable in its time. The subtle distinction renders bands such as Gentle Giant, Camel, and Argent as great prog acts. None of these bands really had a large influence on music (at least in the mainstream). The original mission statement was to make original music that moved people in an emotional and intellectual way.
The simple beauty is the most difficult thing to find: here is the complexity of Pink Floyd
Mike: “This song is too long”
Also Mike: “gosh I love dream theater”
I understand echos being too long
@@henrybridgeman8898 yea echoes and maybe Saucerful of secrets I would be alright with cutting down
@@conormurphy4328 there is echoes live in pompeii you should definitely listen to it it's about 11 mins
@notwastd do you even like pink Floyd. If so idm don't think I am some pretentious kid sorry if I sounded like that
@notwastd what bands do you listen to. That's fine
As a die hard Floyd fan I’m ready to fight if needed
Same
Borthers... let me assemble an army!
I'M IN!
Heard
Im In too
I got the brunch ready for this one.
How many channels do you even watch, dude?
Bro this is the last place I'd expect to see tigerstar
Bro you're everywhere
did you make a psychedelic brunch?
I like how even though Mike doesn't like Pink Floyd, he still acknowledges how impactful they were to classic rock which I can definitely respect. There's a lot of critically acclaimed music that I don't like, but I can understand the praise that the artists get. It's still very admirable that Mike does still see the appeal even though he doesn't personally like something. He's just being honest and it's completely understandable.
Often say, "I don't like Pet Sounds, but once in a while I put it on just to admire it."
@@ChristyAbbey same not big fan of beach boys but gosh do I love the chord progressions of pet shop especially in god only knows.
What did pink floyd contribute? lmao
@@timdc4972 They contributed a lot to being one of the earliest psychedelic groups which they became a leading band of the progressive rock genre. They also help pioneered extended compositions, sonic experimentation, philosophical lyrics and elaborate live shows even before Led Zeppelin was formed. Zeppelin formed in ‘68. Floyd’s first album was released in ‘67.
Well, their impact and amount of talent is really not a matter of opinion regardless if you like their music or not.
As a die hard Pink Floyd fan I thoroughly enjoyed how you presented arguments about why you disliked them which ironically were the same reasons I liked them. Interesting how much is a matter of taste. You obviously did your homework though which is respectful for a band you don’t really dig. I would love to hear your thoughts on Phish.
Fun fact: while recording their first LP in Abbey Road Studios, they had a little chat with four lads from Liverpool
The Beatles I guess.
@@pascalg16 nope, just 4 lads lol
Yup, and I'm sure David Gilmour was a little fan girl, being hugely inspired
It's obvious you don't have a clue. You should keep your mouth closed if you don't want to look like an idiot. Just because you have some music knowledge doesn't mean you understand real music. It's like the beer bellied arm chair quarter back. He'll tell everything you want to know about the sport and tell you everything all of the players are doing wrong. Just put him out on the field and he will get squished like a bug. That's you!
@@Plethiros You mean the same David Gilmour who wasn't even part of the band at that point?
Gilmour didn't kick Waters out. Waters "ended" the band. After The Final Cut, Waters considered Pink Floyd a spent force and didn't want to ruin the band's legacy by continuing. The problem was, Gilmour and Mason didn't want to stop being Pink Floyd. The band did break up for a few years though. Waters and Gilmour both did solo albums, but then Gilmour started working with Mason on his next album and wanted to turn it into a Pink Floyd project. He invited Waters, but Waters insisted that Pink Floyd was done. So they tried to use the "Pink Floyd" name without Waters, and Waters sued them. Gilmour invited Wright onto the project which tipped the scales deeply in his favor, and Gilmour won the legal dispute and was able to use the name "Pink Floyd" without Waters.
And despite syd Barrett naming it pink Floyd it was actually roger waters who started/founded the band.
Waters later admitted that he failed to appreciate that Pink Floyd was far bigger than any individual member of the band. He had this realisation when he went solo and realised that few people even recognised the name Roger Waters, whereas everyone knew about Pink Floyd.
It was a brand that had been built up over many years, and him walking away from that didn't mean that Pink Floyd ceased to exist, just as it didn't cease to exist when Sid left. It doesn't work like that, especially in a legal sense.
@@bobbobbins4877 Branding is part of it but the quality of the music is really where the divide really is. In 1987 it was Momentary Lapse of Reason vs Radio KAOS....MLOR was a far superior record in most peoples minds.
@@mikeeb6308 MLOR is a unsuspecting masterpiece
Actually Waters didn't 'end the band' . He 'left' Pink Floyd, announcing his departure in an and official press statement in December 1985.
Mike:"For a song that is 24 minutes long there's not that much to say"
Polyphonic: "Allow me to introduce myself"
that guy has limited skills, definitely
Polyphonic broke down the song beautifully
Polyphonic broke down the song conceptually and what the song represents but doesn't break it down musically
@@dylanphelan3010 but... He did
I believe Echoes is one of the greatest songs ever recorded, but I can understand why someone would think it's bloated. I guess you just need to be a certain kind of person in order to appreciate it fully
I think the wah-wah pedal seagulls bit in the middle goes on for a bit too long but I agree it's a great example of a Pink Floyd "something with a beginning, a middle and an end" song.
The song is 23 minutes Short, it’s the shortest song ever once you start developing a flavour for it. It’s like wine, some like it sweet, but once you develop the flavour for a nice Bordeaux, there’s no going back.
@@MrWilander88 Ok I'm not gonna lie, your comment sounds uber pretentious
@@geoffreybrunell5592 pretentious about what
"Echoes: Live at Pompeii" is absolutely one of the most impressive and one of my favorite songs by them. It's tied with "Interstellar Overdrive".
Pink Floyd is literally my favorite band of all time. I believe they tap into a collective element of many human being's consciousness with both their lyrics and musical compositions. Never took multiple listens to like anything from them, its always just been magic at first listen and it's the most connected I've ever felt to music.
Mate your tripping. Stay away from the drugs.
There just middle class moaning twats who like being boring for the sake of it grass growing has a way better sound
@@Heatwave9000 can confirm I never did drugs
The Wall is such a great album. Theatrically brilliant
I really miss the days when albums actually had themes. Not that it doesn't exist nowadays, but its rare
One of my favorites. Great concept record. Incredible story.
It IS an amazing album but still my favorite is Animals. I find it hard to figure out why it's so frequently overlooked. Give it a listen and try and tell me it's not great. Unless of course it's just not your cup ot tea. I mean that as an "in genera;" thing. It's not pointed at anybody in particular. I guess I'm saying that to the world.
The movie was amazing as well!
Love The Wall
As a guitar player who grew up listening to, and playing, Yngwie, Dream Theater, Randy Rhodes etc... I honestly consider Gilmour an exceptional guitar player.
He is able to serve the song, and lift the music up to a incredibly high level. The Wall and Animals are 2 of the greatest albums ever produced.
Syd Barrett actually visited Pink Floyd in the studio during the recording of WYWH. His physical appearance was so different, the other guys didn’t recognize him at first - he had gained a considerable amount of weight and had shaved his head and eyebrows. Once they realized who it was they broke down and cried.
Barrett would go on to attend David Gilmour’s wedding reception (later that day, IIRC), but that would be the last time they saw him.
Thats a sweet story its nice to know that they made some piece of mind
POST SCRIPT: Waters did catch a long glimpse of Syd at Harrod's shop in 1978. Syd ran away and the bag he left behind contained a lot of candy.
This video was a really cool watch. And I love this blend of documentary and review(ish) and I'd love to see more of this general style!
You tested me by saying you don’t like Echoes, but you lost me after calling Animals exhausting…
Animals is an amazing album. When you hear a band for 3 straight days you get disoriented.
He got clicks…i imagine this guy likes Raffi’s Baby Beluga and baby shark song…(never argue with a moron, a neutral onlooker will not be able to tell which one’s the moron
Thanks for making such a well-made video in a respectful way discussing your opinions. Shows you care more about conveying a message about the music than just trying to make a video, which is rare but important. That’s what I like about your approach to videos (that Christian rock series was CRAZY!)
I appreciate the good vibes 🙏 I really wasn't particularly interested in Pink Floyd before I started this, and now I'm VERY interested lol. So I got a lot out of this experience. I'm happy you could see that in the video.
@@BecomeTheKnight NIGHTWISH !!!!
Pink Floyd was my gateway to exploring other bands and different genres and styles of music, they were my first exposure to progressive rock back when I knew absolutely nothing about music or the genre itself.
I may have grown out from Pink Floyd but I always find myself coming back to them. Forever of my favorite bands of all time.
The final cut is absolutely a Roger Waters solo album with guest Pink Floyd musicians
@Alvalanker I honestly think Roger's best vocals are on Animals. Unpopular opinion but that's what I think
Gilmour wrote a song on it and did a lot of work on the music, mason and wright had significant music performance on it, just because waters wrote it and had a major part in the way it was done does not make it a solo album, on the other hand you seem to be describing AMLOR well except you should change the name waters to gilmour.
@@kevinohara2618 Wright wasn’t on the final cut as he left at the end of making the wall and while Mason and Gilmour are present they are both very much pushed to the side by the overbearing influence of Waters. Compared to AMLOR which while featuring Gilmour prominently does at least have a fair amount of Wright and Mason included.
@@conormurphy4328 yes you are right about wright not being on tfc, sorry i wrote in haste without thinking properly, but wright and mason initially had been given very small parts of amlor, wright small parts as a session musician and mason barely touched the drums as a drum machine was used, (mason did play on concerts though), it wasnt till many many years later that gilmour did a remix with mason on all tracks and more hammond playing by wright added, (i think after his death, but i could be wrong about timing). Gilmour said this was because he often felt that he didnt follow the timeless template that he should have followed.
So true. The Final Cut has some best songs from Walters.
I love david gilmour. Also Animals is the best Floyd album. Also imagine not liking Echoes
Agreed
Animals is perfect
Imagine imagining Imagine by John Lennon
@@tysonevarard968 imagine imagining John Lennon imagining to imagine writing Imagine
Animals is very underrated 🗿🗿
To me, Gilmour’s “mastery” if you will, is in his phrasing, vibrato, and bending. He leaves a lot of “space” in between the notes, and combined with Rick Wright’s keyboards, created an atmosphere all its own.
I actually like David Gilmour
What I HATE are the boomers who copy him REALLLLLLY badly and then tell anyone better than them that they have "no soul" because they aren't stuck playing slow pentatonic solos over backing tracks called "heartbroken slow blues"
Gilmour is great, 90% of those who idolize him are pretentious and generic.
The people who criticize John Petrucci and Steve Vai are these same people who talk about Gilmour like that. I worship Gilmour myself but I don't say someone has "no feel" because they don't play exactly like Gilmour. It's the same thing with the Mike Portnoy and Mike Mangini argument.
@@michaelflorczyk1394 EXACTLY.
Like if we could just respect musicians and end it at that, none of this would have to be said.
Heck I'm not even that great of a guitarist, I can barely sweep pick.
But I also don't get jealous of better musicians or attack them!
The crazy thing about this, while I generally do agree, is that 60% of the time those obnoxious boomers are correct. The problem is that they treat the other progressive-minded 40% with the same dismissive attitude the over-techy/soulless 60% rightfully deserve.
if 90% of people that idiolize david gilmour are generic that would imply 70% of the whole electric guitar community is generic
@@gamer-tk7pb yes
As a huge lifelong fan, I seriously appreciate your time spent and fair minded review. Your points are valid and well thought, and I see where you are coming from. "The Wall" owned my brain for like 2 solid years as an early teen. I can see why if anything, you came away with the most interest in that project. This is one of the best and most honest well researched analyses of this band by a non-fan I have ever heard. Well done.
My parents love Pink Floyd, so I think that had a good bit of influence on my current music tastes. I rarely listen to them on my own, but I have huge respect for them. Funnily enough, Mike reacting to elders reacting to Pink Floyd was the video through which I discovered this channel, so that only adds on to why they're special to me in a way.
Considering Roger Water's feelings about war and government, the Cold War had a huge influence on the music style and lyrics of Pink Floyd. It seems to be a common theme throughout their entire catalog.
The build of the solo on Hey You is absolute magic. He can do with one note it takes others ten to do. His playing always serves the song. I think he's great.
You don't need to be under the influence to appreciate Pink Floyd. Also David Gilmour has more soul while playing the guitar than most of the progressive guitar players, he is a genius and I love progressive music as well. The thing with PF is that you don't need to focus too much on the music structure or the chord progression, just listen and enjoy, I always find myself discovering new features in their songs.
As Dave Mustaine said once: "I'm of the belief that a player like David Gilmour could do more with one note than some of today's shredders can do with a dozen."
Great review BTW.
"High Hopes" is an incredible song.
Agreed. The last PF song that sounded like and was lyrically of a piece with PF, and it was written by Polly Samson.
I think Mike looks for different things from music than most people. He seems to want every second stuffed with content or progression or as close as a song can get to that which pink floyd does have sometimes but also has long swathes of more idle “go with the flow” music which I think he finds hard to enjoy.
I don't know if he's really so focussed on "dense" music. I mean, look at his album rankings: the albums he ranks highest are definitely not written in the densest way. He just loves well structured music, and so do I to be honest.
@@KakaoHammerhead Then how is Pink Floyd not "well structured"?
@@KakaoHammerhead Also, Dream Theater is overflowing with useless bloat and "wastes of time."
@notwastd Yeah, we know, apparently. Mike said that in his video. Not new info.
@@rcurl44 oh mike lays into dream theater as well for doing that type of stuff.
Take for example, his newest video on why he doesn't care about Dream Theater's new album.
They say nobody got more out of a note than BB king did. I would say David Gilmore gives him a run for his money, and he knows how to play chords also.
Great video man. Your last sentence about the wall was so important my friend. I think pink floyd password has been hidden in this album. A few more listens to this album will reveal something not just musically but socially and psychologically. This album is so smart that lives, breathes and ages with you. There are moments in life that you hear this album whispering to your ear"I told you so" and you get shocked how you missed that part. I started listening to this album at 13 and now I'm 42 and I still feel like this album is a big brother to me teaching about my own personality. About some of the earlier pink floyd albums I totally agree with you and that's why pink floyd is my no 2 favorite band of all time not number 1. The number 1 band has been "dream theater" for 24 years. Again great and fair analysis
“if you’re demanding MY attention it is incumbent upon YOU to respect my time.”
-Clown with a 40 minute video
I’m just glad Mike was able to find music he loved out of a band he doesn’t love. It’s okay to say that you don’t like a certain band, especially a band like Pink Floyd. Art is so great because of how subjective it is, beauty in the eye of the beholder and whatnot.
* I love hearing different opinions and have a peaceful debate, if you don’t mind, I will say my opinion about my band (sorry for the super long text).
Pink Floyd is my favorite band, but doesn’t I love all their content. What makes me love them is the point for me considering the my favorite.
I have the same feeling as yours about the first album, it’s really bizarre as you said in the video. We share the same opinion in the first era, to be honest (and yes, I divide the eras in the same way as you do). I don’t like “More” and “Ummagumma” too.
I love when someone gives the deserved credit for the engineers that worked with the band, I totally agree with you when you consider how impactful they were to the spud of the band as a role.
I they they’ve grown musically with “Atom Heart Mother” and they found their sound in “Meddle”. I understand why you don’t like Echoes, I love the song, but not as much as others do. And we share the same opinion again about “Obscure By Clouds”, even about the songs itself.
About the Third Era, that’s the era that made me love them. I don’t need to say anything about “Dark Side”, to me, what needs to be said, has already been said. It’s not my favorite album tho, but it’s a legendary record in all points.
About “Wish You Were Here”, Shine on is my all time favorite (I prefere the parts 6-9 than 1-5, impacts me more). My second favorite album of them, I think it combines all the things they’ve done in a astonishing way too.
About Animals, I like the album, but, again, we are sharing almost the same opinion.
The Wall is L E G E N D A R Y. My Inspiration as the musician I want to be (when speaking about lyrics, production, etc.). My favorite album, but, this doesn’t make the album perfect to me. I don’t like that much some songs that took away all the adrenaline that other songs in the album have.
I don’t like the Final Cut to be honest, but enjoyable sometimes.
Talking about the Final era, I don’t like that much about the first album of the era, but I love “The Division Bell”, One of My favorites (in my top 5). The Endless River to me is more a Instrumental content to explore than an album.
The aspects that you point in “what make they remarkable” is perfection in my opinion, you put all theirs characteristics that made them the band they were.
You have good points when you speak about what you don’t like them that much, and some of them I agree too. The First one is a good point and we agree. I understand you don’t like the excessive simplicity in some of their catalogue, I just fell relaxe when hearing them.
Well, Pink Floyd is a band that makes me think, and musically makes me relaxed to be honest. Sorry for the long text (I don’t know if you will read this) but I need to say: thank you for the video, I really love how you organize and say your opinions. The way you look to understand the things in most of your videos is inspirational to me, a guy that lacks efficiency in that point.
I'd love to hear your opinions on King Crimson.
Yeah Really I'd like to see that..."In the Wake of Poseidon"
How does someone talk about umma gumma without mentioning Careful with that axe Eugene and one of the sickest screeches in Rock or even metal
The live version from ummagumma is better than the studio version in Relics, change my mind.
@@glenhaven721 there's other live versions where Roger kills it, but ummagumma is definitely a staple
One small quibble: Syd didn't leave after Saucerful. Pink Floyd started recording the album with Syd, but as he became more erratic, the rest of the band brought in David Gilmour. They played as a five-piece for about a week before they just decided one night not to pick up Syd for the show. They went back into the studio and finished the album without Syd.
I can understand why you don't like Pink Floyd if you see a lot of the tracks as "bloated." If you're listening to Pink Floyd expecting them to "get to the point," you're almost always going to be sorely disappointed. The whole point is about losing yourself in the musical atmosphere -- and listening to Gilmour's guitar magic. Nor do you need to be "under the influence" to fully enjoy the music. I've never lit up anything and have loved these guys for decades.
I connect the least with Waters when he rants. Gilmour is spot-on about how Waters focuses more on words than on melody. Probably why I find "The Wall" an overlong, indulgent, whiny bore, by far the most overrated of their albums. (No happy ending, by the way. Listen closely -- the very end loops back to the beginning.) "The Final Cut" has so much more musical beauty, and yet it gets totally overshadowed.
"Division Bell" was the best of the post-Waters era. "Endless River" was a pointless way for the band to bow out.
"Echoes" was their absolute pinnacle.
There's too much aimless meandering.
I still consider that David's use of electric guitar is exceptional, it's so accurate and melodic, it's like the instrument was invented just for him
Pink Floyd were a ground breaking band. The Wall was epic but, not their best IMO. Animals is a monster and still holds up today.
I am a big Pink Floyd fan. At the same time, I really appreciate this kind of methodic and well structured criticism, because it shows how opinions and personal experience may vary and reflect in our personal approach to music that's supposed be universally acclaimed. Well constructed video Sir, good job!
I appreciate the feedback 🤘 as some commenters have pointed out I did miss the final band breakup factually, but I did want to drive home a certain level of subjectivity to it.
You're telling me you have nothing to say about "Learning To Fly", or "High Hopes"? (The two biggest Gilmour era tunes)
I found it odd how he just dismissed that entire era lol. They had some really good tracks.
David Gilmore might not be one of the top 10 best guitarists ever but I’d LOVE to see you write a single solo that’s more impactful than any of his. I’m a guitarist as well and I could never bring myself to say Gilmore is overrated.
So Mike has to be the best solo composer in the world to have an opinion? This is the laziest arguement mankind has ever thought of. You sir are very cringe. Overrated does not mean bad. It means people give him too much credit when there are better writers out there which there are.
Might not be top 10 🤣
He's easily in the top 5
@@evertonfc5380 depends how you rate guitarists my dude. I was considering pure skill in my comment, I think. It WAS 2 years ago lol.
@@user-dj9iu2et3r You don't think he's skilled enough to be in the top ten? Oh dear....oh dear, dear, dear.
@@user-dj9iu2et3rpure skill? Do you play? Because you don't get more skilled than him with bends and vibrato. He's in a league of his own.
Syd Barrett released two solo albums with members of Pink Floyd helping out.
Division Bell is great imo. High Hopes does something physical to my heart (its sound does feel kinda dated though)
pink floyd is not a band you fall in love instantly , i had the same perspective as you when i first listened to them, i really didnt like em at all , but somehow one day i sat down and was like, i need something to listen to that is not metal to relax, i relax to metal still , but that time i was in a strange state of mind , the first song i played was echoes , it was that very moment wheen something clicked. in my first listens i was trying to find something to like about their songs intead of letting my emotions emmerse and dive in their songs , it is about the emotions those notes trigger, it takes you to a trip, idk if i explained it well but that was my best attempt to explain
The Division Bell has some very interesting moments
ooo Become the Knight doing a video on Pink Floyd this won't stir some controversy at a-
"I'm not really a fan of Pink Floyd"
*grabs popcorn*
Right??
The Wall grabbed me when I heard it in '79; still does. Pink Floyd's not my favorite band, but this is one of my favorite albums. LOVE it♡
I'm very fond of Pink Floyd, and I highly respect your honesty and dedication towards this video 🙂
As a huge Pink Floyd fan, I was a little worried they were going to get torn apart in this video, and although I disagreed on some things, I enjoyed how objective this was. Great video!
Yes!! I was waiting for this! Thanks dude \m/
When I was younger I’ve always found Pink Floyd to be very tacky. Especially Brick In The Wall. However last year when we went into lockdown I became very interested in beterring myself in songwriting and somehow discovered love for Pink Floyd. Falling very deeply in love with music you previously hated is an insanely weird feeling.
The one thing I’m surprised that didn’t make you fall in love with Gilmour is his bending and vibrato. I get if you’re making a list and objectively comparing, it’s hard to put him against some of the other guys that are more technically proficient.
To me the guitar is a voice, and in order to be one of the greatest, you have to be able to say something that resonates to a large mass. Which I think the solos in Time, Money, Dogs, Comfortably Numb, etc. do as good a job as anything I can think of. I don’t know where I’d put him, not #1, but he’s well earned his spot on my short list of the greatest guitar players ever 🎸
Hope you keep rocking on and always appreciate your perspectives man (even if we agree to disagree) 🤘
Analysing Floyd from a modern perspective is a fool's errand. Yeah they seem a bit outdated in the context of modern prog and everything that the genre has done, but at the time no one could match them. Although I rarely listen to them, I'll always respect their legacy
I would have crapped on early Pink Floyd a lot harder if it was only from a modern prog perspective. And I think it's a fool's erand to only isolate a work in it's own time period.
You should eventually do one of these full band reviews for Periphery. You haven’t talked about them in a while and I love hearing you talk about them. This is an excellent video, enjoying the content. Keep it up!!!
I could listen to Animals, Obscured By Clouds, Meddle and Saucerful on repeat without ever getting tired of them. It's just such amazing music, of course The Wall, Wish You Were Here and Dark Side are absolute classics however I think I've listened to those albums so many times that it just doesn't do much for me anymore, I guess I appreciate the "weird sounds" and spooky/psychedelic/cosmic atmosphere a bit more than the cleaner, more commercial sounds. It really surprised me that he didn't like "Echoes" as well, it's probably one of the greatest songs in human history.
Where would Dave be, without Rogers Lyrics? Living Under a Bridge!
Really really cool man! Regardless of your opinion I think it’d be awesome to do this for tons of bands! Tons of genres! Very cool to just sit for 40 minutes inundated with a bands music.
UMMA GUMMA has a live version of a Syd song Astronimy Domine, so an appropriate last Barrett-era disc.
i love this video! i would love to see one on Queen!
My first time really listening to Meddle was in an abandoned mine in New Jersey. The entrance was blocked with a huge steel door that someone had cut a square in so you could get in. We had Meddle playing on a portable 8 track wandering through the mine with thousands of small bats hanging from the ceiling and just flashlights and a portable lamp I think. Meddle was the perfect album for that environment and state of mind.
Animals is a slow burn and it’s one of those albums that sounds better on subsequent listens. It’s the first album I ever actually found myself longing to hear again (when I was in basic training with no access to my music).
I find “Dogs” particularly brilliant. The acoustic work is simple but tasty, that intro Dm9/Bb/A9sus4/Bb7 reminds me of a prototypical Opeth riff. The message of the song (culminating in being dragged down by your own weight) is the biggest “fuck you” to corporate middle management in a song ever.
I took a class in college that included a technical breakdown of Shakespeare's soliloquy's and my 1st thought was Waters uses those same techniques in the lyrics of Dogs. "And it's to late to use the weight to use the weight you used to need to throw around...." That whole part until he's dragged down by the stone is perfect cadence and annunciation. Brilliant.
I would Agree how could you not like Animals and yeah you have to invest in it.
The Wall is my favorite album by far. I have similar thoughts about the Floyd:
- I honestly don't care for the early albums, though I like the Echoes song. The only one I listened fully is Meddle.
- The big four (dark side to the wall) are great albums. I really love Dark Side, but The Wall is still number one to me.
- The Final Cut is not nearly as good as it's predecessors, but way better to me than the albums that followed it.
i really like the more laid back acoustic ones as well pre dark-side. Wots uh the deal, green is the colour, fearless. really soothing, doesn't have that suspense of what Floyd are known for, it's like listening to a different band
As a long time Floyd fan I loved this video and your perspectives. Thanks for sharing your views. Keep ‘em coming. Great video.
"In the Flesh" is one of my all time favorite songs and Waters contempt for the fans is in full view.
OOOOOO
AAAAARRRR
You’re actually genius brothers
I love the Animals album. The guitar in Dogs *chef's kiss*
I still don't understand it man lol. I'll give it some more listens eventually.
@@BecomeTheKnight funnily enough I'd consider Dogs one of if not the least metaphorical tracks of the album
this guy deserves more views
You can sing Gilmour solos.
You can't do that with soulles shredders.
So…?
Shredding may not nourish the soul, but sure it nourishes a cerebral itch somewhere in the logical circuits in the brain, which most "soul" first people seems to lack.
You just have a slow tongue 🤷🏼♂️
Least pretentious Gilmour stan
Not if you’re Eminem
Really loved this type of video Mike
At the 3ish minute mark you mention the "jams". I used to play in a band called the Cunning Stunts. We'd play these gigs that had 3 sets and we'd jam for 45 minutes per set. No covers. just making it up as we went. This was in the mid 80s in Toronto. I'm the keyboard player and usually I'd just start something and the rest of the band would surefire it out. I get why Floyd did that. People actually like it. I'm sure the audience was high too. So were Floyd's audiences. That's very important to remember. I've played a lot of Floyd over the years.
If a band is legit great at jamming (which Pink Floyd were) it can be an excellent addition to a live experience.
Cunning Stunts is an amazing name lmao.
@@Yenneffer We thought so too!
@@BecomeTheKnight We had perfected the art of jamming pretty well. We had been doing it for a long time. Well over a decade. Our guitar player and bass player pretty much never did covers. We had a basement under a barber shop and since it had all the gear, we'd just show up and make up music. More in a fusion style than a trippy spacey style although we occasional did a bit of that too. Not too much though. I always liked to have melodies and sections that made sense so I'd re-introduce parts just to maintain a sense of continuity.
More videos like this, loved it.
I always liked Pink Floyd, just as a good and iconic band. BUT the time I saw Roger Water Live was a complete turnaround for me, they became one of my favourite bands, because they took me to a diferent dimension with their music (and I wasn't on drugs...). Best concert Ive ever been.
Fantastic video. I really love the honest and candid review of the band. Personally they are one of my top 3 favorite bands of all time, and Gilmour might be my very favorite guitar player. I always felt like his solos cut right through me. Though they weren't incredibly technical by any measure, they just hit me like a ton of bricks in a way no other player does.
I agree with you because Pink Floyd isn't one of those bands I feel like I need to listen to all the time. I think you have to be in a particular headspace to listen to Floyd. Like, if you wanna get high or just chill out and calm your nerves. But, I will say, I see why DSOTM is labeled the most iconic album of all time because of the musicality and the production. My favorite song is Great Gig because they brought in a singer (Clare Torry) who can wail. Like, every time I listen to her vocal solo on that track, she sounded incredible. It makes me wonder how many takes she had to do to belt and completely emote from her gut like that.
wail not whale. Clare Torry has never been whaling or whaled or ever was a whale
@@resist1581 Fixed it
@D That's what I thought too because as a singer, when you're giving it all (vocally) and can make it sound powerful and emotional, there's no reason to do more than one take. I would've been blown away too if I heard that in the studio. I like it when singers get to do what they want and show off what they can do with their voice. That's what I love about jams because as a singer myself, you get to come in and come out and show off your vocal talents. It takes a LOT of guts and confidence to blow like that and amaze everyone. I see why Mr. S from School of Rock wanted Tamika (his talented backing singer) to listen to Great Gig from that album
@@rebeccassweetmusic4632 Yeah, I think it was only her second take, or her first complete take. From what I understand, she started throwing random interjections in the first time, so the band cut her off and said "none of that ooh-baby shit," and then her next take was exactly what you hear on the record. Unbelievable stuff. My favorite guest vocals on a rock LP next to Merry Clayton's work on "Gimme Shelter."
You didn't smoke weed and dwell on your inner thoughts while trying to understand this weird exisrtance youve found yourself... yourself? Music is just as much felt as heard.
Yep, the main thing about David's feel is timbre. The tone and unique sound. However, there are two things that are his doing that also influence this. The bends and the vibrato. They're right on the money. Is he a guitar GOAT? Technically, no. Then again, people consider Slash one of the GOATs and in comparison David Gilmour is a guitar god.
All that being said, if you listen to David on Marooned and don't get shivers from the first note, you have no soul.
Please make a video about why you loved The Wall! I wasn't expecting you to like this album at all.
Pink Floyd is really as preference and a choice. Music has no correct answers. I love Pink Floyd, they are my favourite band. I realise they are not for everyone but I love all Eras of Pink Floyd. Even the underrated albums as amazing in my opinion.
The only reason I bare to have echoes on my playlist, is because one of the parts is so fucking good. being from 2:55 to 7:00 into the song. Also, pink Floyd is my most favorite band. Love them. But half of their music is disappointing too. Particularly before and after the waters era.
Also, I know your interests and understand pink Floyd isn't your thing, but either way, your opinion is all I could ask for and glad that you delved in for a deeper look. Much respect. Enjoyed this video a lot
The Floyd did not start out "miserable" by any means. It was actually psychedelic pop with Syd, funny, quirky. What hooked me was DSOTM and the Wall, largely because that was how I felt in my teen years: miserable, and I felt the shear depth of it and the meaning. It was later I got into Meddle and Ummagumma, etc. I saw Roger in 2022 but now don't love the man. I don't think he is antisemitic, but he is not giving off the message he thinks he gives off. Glad I saw him though, lifelong dream. Would definitely have liked to meet him and discuss politics at length, particularly since I was running for Congress on a Progressive platform, and live in NYS (he lives in the Hamptons.) We shared very similar views toward Native nations' reparations and supporting American Indian rights. I like the crowd he draws too, peaceful, hippy, lots of weed in the air. Pretty cool experience. Unfortunately I missed the beginning of in the flesh, was stuck in a men's room line. I posted that on my media, and the guitarist liked my post.
I have a special fondness for Meddle, but there's no PF album I've listened to more than The Final Cut. I understand why people don't like it but it speaks to me. Have long been a big fan of the flawed genius that is Roger Waters.
As a life long fan of pink floyd I actually totally agree with you about basically everything loo
It actually never been confirmed that Sid had schizophrenia. It just theories
Loved your breakdown of the band!
You, on the other hand, have way more memorable solos and songs in your catalogue.
Pink Floyd is my favorite band, and The Dark Side of the Moon is my favorite record of all time. I loved hearing your perspective on this.
Gilmour did not kick Waters out. How could he have? Waters was the leader of the band and it was only Gilmour and Mason left with him in the band at that point. Waters wanted to do more solo albums after his first one: "Pros & Cons..." instead of doing more Pink Floyd, and Gilmour and Mason with the record company tried to threaten him with legal action should he not come back immediately to write another PF album, so he filed with the record company that he was quitting. Gilmour and Mason still desperately wanted to use the PF name as a cash cow, so the result was mainly a David Gilmour and guests/hired hands album being released under the PF name. Gilmour didn't have the artistic & moral integrity to honestly represent himself as a solo artist & work on building his solo career at that time. This made the bad blood between him & Waters even worse to the point where bridges were burned so that we would never again get a proper Pink Floyd album and tour.
Finally someone who says WHY he doesnt like pink floyd instead of saying it sucks, so happy to hear that you like the lyrics!
I felt like this video could have been accomplished in half the time:)
Pink Floyd is not a 'get to the point' band and they are not bound by your precious minutes.
It's a shame AMOLAD and The Division Bell get tossed aside to much. No, David is not as good as Roger with lyrics, but they still fit the music very well. Songs such as Sorrow, High Hopes, Keep Talking, and The Dogs War do have some very solid lyrics, and the instruments on those songs, and these records are great!
These band overviews are awesome
@Sen Vanmassenhove crusherrrr!
I mean CRUSHERRREH!
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Dogs:
-has one of the most amazing intros. Memorable and preparing you for what to expect to the album.
-has 3 amazing solos. The second one being one of the very best of David Gilmour.
-the bit at 3:41 is among the finest things that pink Floyd ever did.
-one of the best finales.
Pigs:
-one of the most recognizable keyboard intros (and intros in general) ever.
-the rhythm is so catchy.
-one of the most cathartic ending solos ever. Rivalize Comfortably numb.
Sheeps:
-a good keyboard intro. Quite pleasent.
-the most ferocious track of the album.
I agree that maybe some bits are a little long. So maybe you dislike the disc, and that's ok. But aside other songs in their discography, they don't feel as awkward.
And to say the album isn't memorable... You must be deaf.
Yea, that's the most questionable part of the video. Shame the album didn't hit him as hard, musically or lyrically.
Hell yeah! An old-school Mike video! I've been missing something like this for a while!
He wrote the best solo of all time, which is Time. Pun not intended. Nothing comes close in my opinion.
I was a huge Pink Floyd fan in my teen years (mid 80's), had the Wall on cassette and wore it out. I have a friend who is still a huge Floyd fan, but I personally can't listen to it anymore. Just not where my head is at anymore. Great analogy BTW.
PF is a band I won't turn off, but never "go after"' to listen to. The Wall is cool and all, but that's about where I'm at with them. They're fine.