@@clootuscleetus4219 this video brought hopes up by making a clickbait title and not talking about it so yeah alot of peoble can feel betrayed. and also a unreliable way to accuse him of doomscrolling on YT when we dont know how he spends his time.
Devs destroyed their own game, i liked it, we had clan and tactics, and when i finaly get my new pc, and hoped for more fps beacouse game was soo bad optimased and i had potato pc, finaly i get my new pc and game was dead. I had about 650h in it.
lol what are you talking about? I sat on a 1070ti with an amd 3500x and played it flawless with good frames, don't blame the game because your pc wasn't the best one, my wasn't good either but i still had good frames.
i played it with a Core 2 DUO E8400 and 6 GB of DDR2 ram with a 1gb HD 5500 GPU it was the biggest amount of dedication to the game that i could have ever give while playing at 15-30 fps with so much blurry textures that a lot of the times i don't know what am i looking at "is that a bush or a player?" 💀
@@blackowlhu2212 but it paid off, being handicapped by your hardware sucks. The moments you actually manage to play the game right felt so much more rewarding because of that.
I don't want brand new fancy looking unreal engine 5 schlock. All most of us want is the exact same game, same graphics same everything, just optimized.
They won't do that, it requires a new engine, even if they rebuild the same game upon it looking more or less the same. Why? They developed themselves into a Dead End with their custom Retox Engine and were barely able to make updates to it (and repeatedly broke it in different ways in the process). At this point it makes more sense, even if e.g. Beyond Heroes recreates the game or Warbound (formerly known as Hellborne), that they do it on the Unreal Engine or some other licenseable Engine, since creating your own engine from scratch is a very time- and money-consuming process and it requires expertise, indie devs usually don't have that much money laying around, some even work for free out of passion. Whatever engine a spiritual successor to H&G uses, the devs must be knowledgeable in it, so they can actually develop updates for their game with it, updates that advance the evolution of the game and don't break it.
I played it for 1700 hours, this game was my childhood game, like Minecraft. Even though it didn't exist for long, I will remember it forever.... And I believe that it will come back.
i had 30.000 hours in it. played since 2012. The game was a superb release stress after work. The community we have build around it it was a life saviour, you could spend 20 hours without even thinking to get a sleep or food ! That how good was HG, many will not understand but the concept was everything ! Thank you so much for video, you put HG on the radar, thank you! We have a very small community who tries to revive it but so far we only scratched the surface.
@@ferezanioan a community of veterans who would shit talk shit the entire game about the game, but would fight for their faction in every war. People who kept this game alive for so many years
I never even knew that the game died, I literally installed it today for the nostalgia just to start up and read that the servers are no longer active... so sad, this game had a certain quirky feel and funny moments/replay-ability that the modern games don't have
I'm glad i played the game to the last minute. Even though there were certain moments where i just wanted to uninstalled it and erase it from my memory.
@@wyldone5038 I looked it up. Before I read your comment, I was completely behind the main-comment. But seeing this guy on reddit actually trying to piece things together, gave me one thing that I didn't have for anything heroes and generals related... Which is hope. If this guy succeeds, I'll donate him money. Apparently he already managed to launch an action-server. So if what he's posting is true.. There might actually be a chance.. heroes and generals 2 though? hell nah. Anything that comes from the TLM devs at this point isn't going to happen. They burned their community by not communicating and how they handled it. Putting a gun to our head "donate 2 Million dollars or lose your game" and just packed up even sooner when the goal wasn't reached and didn't say a word. The community now, is the aftermath of a forest-fire for them. Aint no way they are coming back. I have more hope in one random netcode-boi to restore the game to a playable state. So blessed that he's also trying to get the whole war-thing to work. The whole war thing is also the reason, why enlisted and hell let lose cannot even be compared to H&G as "replacements". Cause the only thing they share is that they are shooters. But that is like saying, call of duty, hunt showdown, fortnite and overwatch are all the same game.
Haven't found anything that can replace H&G. Is there a world war game that can send many people in one vehicle ? That's where the fun of this game 😄 When you transport many people, get hit by tanks, planes, or mines, then laugh with your friends 🤣🤣🤣 Memories that will never be forgotten 🤗
Battlefield 1942, which invented that??? Its "spiritual successor" BF2 mod Forgotten Hope 2? Planetside, Enlisted, Squad, Hell Let Loose. Basically any large scale fps
Easy Red 2! Tanks Planes and vehicles , bf1942 style warfare with full inventory system, realistic tank ballistics, single and multi-player with up to 80v80 AI 10v10 or 20v20 players, 80+ vehicles and planes! Squad commands, ships etc check.it.OUT!
maybe if the monetization wasn't so egregious, it wouldn't have died to begin with, in 2016 you couldn't play with a vehicle without finishing in the red. there was a reason why people kept locking their supply trucks, having to pay for each supply (and ammo for your rifle) was just dumb.
I'm glad the game is still talk about these days after its shutdown, even if people keep screaming to just play hell let loose or enlisted even though they're nothing like HnG. it really shows how unique the game is to this niche people and isn't like any other.
The issue wasnt that the game was hard, headshots ballanced weapon class options so it wasnt just SMG or Automatic rifles overpowering everything. Headshots are hard to make and thats a skill based shooting requirement. That enhanced the experiance more then anything as far as gunplay went allowing all guns to do what the sniper options were able to do, which was 1 tap to the torso (this was tweaked as they went allowing all bolt rifles to do this torso delete within some type of distance). It allowed people to make weapons there preferance, you increase recoil and reduce spread at range to increase damage potential, you had high accuracy which came at loss of damage, or you had RoF which had a mix of both but somewhat was better for hipfire. People got upset saying "You can pay for everything", but you could also grind for everything. I had grinded weapons outright on many characters and thought there was no issue. Issues arose when they made Tank changes, the American tanks basically were paperweights and all tanks became snipers because the only good counter was driving into the woods and ambushing them with AT weapons. So basically whenever tanks were involved it was often 1 sided and American teams would bank on airpower which didnt get good cannon shots and had a hard time grinding for planes against constant cannon planes. The following problem was a game balance as Infantry are required to capture everything, Snipers and tanks took up player slots and people would swarm to stick in tanks to try and farm long range kills to stat pad. That would often lead to 3 to 4 players trying to play objectives, expecially on America, This lead to losing a lot and you had to wait till clans got on at peek hours, these clans also played differently per war. So they ran all factions and there were times at peek hours where Germany just fielded nothing but heavy tanks for 32 areas of combat and your best defense would be 3 to 4 infantry squads as your blitzed with Tiger 1 and Tiger 2. Shit was rigged as the Pershing had dogshit pen ammo and it took up to 13 rounds to kill a Tiger 2 from the front and it took 4 to kill the Pershing xD Which lead to a massive power imballance. The cost of war in America was just stupid for the damage sustained. The game Fell out of favor because it was basically become cannon fodder for tanks, thats the primary reason the game died. Its like warthunder if reversed, CAS in that game ruin the tank experiance but they rarely did anything in H&G (Due to the damage system against tanks). The best thing would have been to add more AT vehicals and equipment on the map to mitigate the problem. In short the game suffered from a horrific imballance allowing a single player to change the game so long as they had a high ground position and a tank with no compedative oposition. The problem with the Armor is you could only kill peices in a tank (You needed 4 destroied to delete the tank mind you), meaning unless you nocked out engine and then turret ring most of the oponents armor would just take the brunt. This was expecially noted against IS3 and King Tiger as E8 took 5 side shots to do full damage to internal structures (this was the same for the T-34 but not the 85 varriant where it took 3 to start doing full damage). Problems for why the game died: 1) Core game became vehicals dominated core gameplay 2) cost to speed up the games grind was expensive (Meaning people who were paying were nagging it was pricey to skip ribbon grind, which is the reason grinding was fair and the game was funded otherwise the playerbase would be ran over by pay to play accounts within a year) 3) Mass review hate by people who wanted a F2P shooter that WASNT WW2, there was several threads made to add more weaons then realistically was in any army set and they were basically trying to turn a WW2 game into a Automatic hellhole like a game based in the 80s. Problem with this was new nations would have been the fix, but instead they complain aiming to modernize the game from WW2 (Devs ignored this), they planned to add better AAA systems, update the tank systems to make them weaker, and then possibly add more factions, but this was slated as the money was drying up from the slow progress with the engine (They needed to open the newer game durring the planning stage of the first game if they wanted to pull this off) Heroes and Generals can still make a driving come back, the problem is the game just doesnt meet the average player expectations anymore and the sad thing is they were better then the predatory trascation list in other games. People were willing to play Battlefront 2 and pay for cards compaired to deal with H&G cause the P2W crowd didnt want to pay the pricing to not just streight skip the grind and fuck everyone over. I personally think pay to grind faster is fine, I wont do it because you wont gain the skill required, but I also wont throw out there the cash that the Devs need. H&G did there grind pricing right, its the problem of when the late war heavy tanks got added that the game got fucked over, the only counter was infantry and the warmap showed it. Infantry only matches were even and that was the most played, but got stale as there was only 5 maps to play. Warmode was useless, and maps with tanks were abandoned often. H&G has a lot of promiss with a newer engine, problem is consistency of said systems!
I really doubt it unless another studio buys the rights to it, retomoto definetly doesnt care anymore. Those danish bastards are too busy getting drunk with the money they got from teh game to care.
I vividly remember these oldschool battles. Where we as germany had.. I think it was 72 infantery-tickets, against US with basically everything.. This huuuge wave of everything you wanted to have. And this was back, when a single infantrie divisions had a max amount of players linked to it. The numbers might be wrong, but I think an infanterie division allowed 4 players to participate. So we were already 4 players with 72 respawns against a full enemy team with EVERYTHING.. We ran down to the last tickets.. desperately trying to hold the last point... ANd suddenly a sniper platoon came in.. 2 More players on our sides, but our infanterie spawns were approaching 0.. Suddenly, a shitty garrisson division arrived with 32 more respawns and 2 more player slots.. then when that nearly ran out.. another full infanterie-division arrived in the battle.. giving us 72 more respawn tickets.. and I don't remember if we actually managed to push back in the battle, or if we just won the defense by surviving the timer on the last battle.. But we won. The enemy was forced back into the previous province and it felt.. so damn good to hold on in that battle. When they ruined the war-resources.. this kind of battle never happened ever again. But I remember several of such battles in the very-very early time and those were the most fun ones.
I used to play the game during 2019-2021, I never knew how bad the situation was in the backstage until it was shut down in 2023, only stopped playing because it was super grindy without paying.
the only fun moment this game used to have was doing a nose-dive with a plane over a city doing a bombing run before you had to pull up or crash into the ground. And these scammer devs went in and ruined that by adding a "wobbling" effect when your plane hit high G's which prevented you from controlling it. They actively sought out whatever little fun that could be had and DESTROYED IT. Same thing with the sniper scope: giant open maps > grinding forever to get a scope > only for it to be stolen from your acc and replaced with garbage cause apparantly you were trying to have fun, which is not allowed by them. (yes they actually went and replaced everybodies sniper scope with a cheap 2x zoom sights during a game update, like as if that's not illegal)
Heros and Generals defined my early years in highschool and brought me and my boyfriend and friends together. Even when we were all far apart and had only met each other online it was something we could all do together. Now that I have been living with my bf for a few years and seeing the game die it feels like an end of an era. I personally tried playing games like Hell let loose and Enlisted. And while Hell was good, Enlisted is really made by a scummy company too. Also the gameplay kind of sucked. For me though Heros and generals will forever be special. Even if it sucked too lol.
in this game the devs LITERALLY REMOVED A SNIPER SCOPE YOU HAD TO GRIND FOR MANY HOURS TO UNLOCK FOR FREE, AND REPLACED IT WITH A 2X ZOOM SCOPE THAT WAS WORTHLESS WHILE LOCKING AWAY THE SNIPER SCOPE BEHIND ANOTHER PAYWALL. THEY CRIMINALLY UPDATED THE GAME TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM YOUR INVENTORY TO TRY AND GET YOU TO SPEND MONEY TO BUY THEM. THEY ALSO RUINED AIRPLANE FLYING CONTROLS IN FAVOR OF MAKING ONLY CHEATERS CAPABLE OF DOING DOGFIGHTS AND SHARP TURNS.
Play fog of war free edition - medic and recon have car on game ! (if you have enough credits) , when you die credits going down , if you capture point continusly (stay near flag) , your credits going high !
I stumbled across a different H&G inspired game in development awhile ago called Warbound and personally, I think it shows far more promise than Beyond Heroes does; especially considering it actually has developers who are active in the community and post WIP parts of the game
I would rather want from them to get back the original H&G. The H&G 2 doesen`t look so good at all if u ask me... Instead of making H&G2 they could put new country`s, like Japan, France, UK, that would be much better...
although i am playing Enlisted i feel like H&G cant be replaced i missed that clunky feeling and loved the animations keeping the rifle at a high ready if we had alot of what H&G had like the weapon sway and maybe add some polish like what BFV had with vaulting maybe "super sprinting" and crouch running and the very fluid animations i think it would make an amazing game
Wait wait wait wait wait.... It wasnt Reto announcing H&G2. Reto sold the game around 2 years before ot was shut down. Cant recall the new company, but they made everything just worse and literally ended all content updates. And that was the reason nobody wanted to fund their game, they never proved they can do anything. They just took over from Reto and tried to squeeze every last bit of money out of it. Didnt they even shut down russian servers as political statement, or was this just a rumor? I only know that 2022 suddenly 50% of the remaining players vanished Btw, H&G is still unmatched imo. Enlisted is just an infantry carnage shooter (what it does good, but its no H&G)
I miss WAR so much.. So many thousands of hours for the conquest of Europe. I went to sleep and the first thing in the morning was to move troops to help the faction. EllasNeverDies feels sad.
6K hours here. mostly in tank v tank mode. I still couldn't find any game out there have a vibe like H&G. it's bring me alot of joy with friends and pull me out of a boring reality life i have.
@artisdejus2475 yes people always complain about unbalance match making between light tank and bigger tank ... that make me so sad because too many time i was kill alot of bigger tank with my assasinate skill on starter light tank. They just don't know how strong it is and nagging developer seperated them. That make me really sad because it narrow the strategy play style alot. When you know the game enough, you can turn the weakliest weapon into deadliest weapon.
I can kinda feel your pain. They nerved the armored scout cars health and that just forced you to sweat with them or die. They realy just slowly killed the fun.
I liked the War map integration, and playing with clans. i play war thunder now instead and its missing that. The community seems less toxic than H&G at the end thats for sure. You can even talk to enemy during battles and it usually doesnt get out of hand.
5:10 It didn't exist as a game I believe, just a rushed trailer, but still....had they not been greedy and instead asked for 250.000 $ it would start derpy and fix itself up , since they would be strating from scrap anyways, it's gonna look good no matter what (I think) cause UE5
The developers did an amazing job with this game. But it seems it was early access scam under a disguise. Developers made their money and closed it down.
playing it back then from 2016 - 2018, i have 2000 hours playing this game and the reason why i didn't play again after 2018 is because how stupid the requirement to play this game. now i have a good pc to run all the AAA game but this game is already dead and sometimes i miss to play this game with my friend's in asia server :(
Even if it comes back in any other shape or form, I won't be playing it. They killed the game & made everyone lose their progress on the premise of making the game on a totally different engine and well.. we all know how that ended up now.. I had grinded every recon role in every factions & was getting my tank crews up there too when it all ended.
Everything in the game was obtainable without paying for anything. Anyone who even attempts to say Heroes and Generals was pay to win doesn't know what pay to win is.
Obtainable for free, yes. So poorly balanced and built that achieving late unlocks was nearly impossible due to whales shelling out hundreds of dollars for FG-42s and Maxim Tokarevs, making it an arduous task to even begin to fight in a match? Absolutely. I had about 400 hours into HnG over its lifetime, and early on, things were, for the most part, reasonable, so to speak. However, around 2019-2020, the paid features started getting wildly out of hand, with Tiger 2s and come camos costing an astronomical amount of ingame currency which if bought, was worth at least two brand new $60 games. It was blatantly pay to win, depending on the match.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the "pay to win" was that bad in H&G, but to say there was "no pay to win" is sheer stupidity. There certainly was at least one gross pay to win example, the second badge as premium, that was a (pretty significant) statistical benefit (truest definition of pay to win, a statistical benefit for real money, ex. 40% reload speed (Fast Reload), 25% faster bloom recovery (Dead Eye, was really good with semi auto rifles), 15% less damage (Heavy Set, the "don't get OHK'd badge")). Membership was clearly impossible to obtain with less than four hours of active play a day. In other words: Unattainable for casual players with a job, study or other civil engagement... The only people who'd argue against that fact failed 8th grade math and/or are unemployed.
yes HG was not P2W but it was for non clan players a P2P bcause they were not able to grind stuff and farm money and most of the time they did noitjing in the match
Depends on how much of cheese you were willing to do and if you were lucky to play when annual sales for credits came With cheese strats you did it quick with boosters, but without it you suffered especially if you were suicidal enough to grind bolt action rifles
Lol HNG got me thru some real life struggles, I had a very toxic relationship in 2019 and to cope with the cheating, lying, and betrayal I decided to play this dog ass game and fell in love, then covid happened and sunk damn near 1k hours into it with my buddies, I look back on those moments with great fondness. What I wouldn't give to play just one more game on samere depot again
Reto Moto were told if they ignored the community they would lose their game but they got greedy and arrogant and they got what they deserved. Ignorant Devs, they were warned 😂
While that is nice to hear.... Do I really care anymore? Heros and Generals was a Fun game without question. But.... while i wouldn't know anything about PAY TO WIN, it did turn into a BIT of a grind when they UPPED THE PRICE of everything in the game for Credits, like a freaking SHOVEL went from 150 to like 500 Credits. But by far the WORST part of H&G was the Matchmaking or at least how they DID match making. It didn't care about your GEAR only your "account level", so even if all you had was m1 Garands you still fighting people with STG44s and it SUCKED! Didn't matter if all you had was bronze weapons you where getting matched with Gold. If they can fix THAT PROBLEM Then I might actually give a shit.
game's completely dead, there won'T ever be a come back after how awful they pushed microtransactions and pissed their community because of it and then messed with us again with their garbage kickstarter alongside free UE5 assets trailer XD
I don't want H&G 2, i want my ugly free to play game back
Probably a cost issue, because keeping servers & other infra online requires $ and time.
@@KuopassaTv true, but pulling a DooM and releasing the source code and other essentials would prob let the community keep it up and running
@@KuopassaTv If its only some cheap shitty servers. Me and many others would happily spend some money to have it back.
@@ManuR-l4m There is a revival program currently ongoing, theres info on the HnG reddit
@@Halcyon_games Yeah, i discovered it in the meantime. Really hyped!
I miss this game so much. No other game has this kind of combat that just felt so distinctive
It felt clean. With good ping you feel the weapon…
at first gameplay, the sound designs are so bad until you play the game for 3 years, it started to sound satisfying
You're wasting my time. Speak about what's going to happen with the game like the title suggests instead of talking about what the game was like.
agree. This felt like clickbait
He missed the game I guess. I do too
woah buddy sorry for wasting your valuable time , wont happen anymore legend
Oh no, your time was wasted? Your valuable time? The valuable time you’re using to scroll endlessly through UA-cam? That valuable time?
@@clootuscleetus4219 this video brought hopes up by making a clickbait title and not talking about it so yeah alot of peoble can feel betrayed. and also a unreliable way to accuse him of doomscrolling on YT when we dont know how he spends his time.
Enlisted is not a replacement for H&G dont joke like that
Yeah I think enlisted is better
@Shelby-ig8hw in what way, its an fps but not an rts,
Old Enlisted is much better before they turned it to War Thunder Infantry Forces.
@@arkadisevyan well, i hope they'll add rts part to enlisted too. It was fun and cool.
It's my drug replacement for now
Devs destroyed their own game, i liked it, we had clan and tactics, and when i finaly get my new pc, and hoped for more fps beacouse game was soo bad optimased and i had potato pc, finaly i get my new pc and game was dead. I had about 650h in it.
Same I have like 1200 lmao
lol what are you talking about? I sat on a 1070ti with an amd 3500x and played it flawless with good frames, don't blame the game because your pc wasn't the best one, my wasn't good either but i still had good frames.
Yeah like 1200 hours in it
i played it with a Core 2 DUO E8400 and 6 GB of DDR2 ram with a 1gb HD 5500 GPU
it was the biggest amount of dedication to the game that i could have ever give while playing at 15-30 fps with so much blurry textures that a lot of the times i don't know what am i looking at
"is that a bush or a player?" 💀
@@blackowlhu2212 but it paid off, being handicapped by your hardware sucks. The moments you actually manage to play the game right felt so much more rewarding because of that.
I don't want brand new fancy looking unreal engine 5 schlock. All most of us want is the exact same game, same graphics same everything, just optimized.
🎉
They won't do that, it requires a new engine, even if they rebuild the same game upon it looking more or less the same. Why? They developed themselves into a Dead End with their custom Retox Engine and were barely able to make updates to it (and repeatedly broke it in different ways in the process).
At this point it makes more sense, even if e.g. Beyond Heroes recreates the game or Warbound (formerly known as Hellborne), that they do it on the Unreal Engine or some other licenseable Engine, since creating your own engine from scratch is a very time- and money-consuming process and it requires expertise, indie devs usually don't have that much money laying around, some even work for free out of passion.
Whatever engine a spiritual successor to H&G uses, the devs must be knowledgeable in it, so they can actually develop updates for their game with it, updates that advance the evolution of the game and don't break it.
I played it for 1700 hours, this game was my childhood game, like Minecraft. Even though it didn't exist for long, I will remember it forever.... And I believe that it will come back.
me too brother, me too, this game was garbage in all the ways, and thats what made it great, the memories we shared will live on forever
i had 30.000 hours in it. played since 2012. The game was a superb release stress after work. The community we have build around it it was a life saviour, you could spend 20 hours without even thinking to get a sleep or food ! That how good was HG, many will not understand but the concept was everything ! Thank you so much for video, you put HG on the radar, thank you! We have a very small community who tries to revive it but so far we only scratched the surface.
what community?
@@ferezanioan a community of veterans who would shit talk shit the entire game about the game, but would fight for their faction in every war. People who kept this game alive for so many years
@@arkadisevyan Those veterans like Lycan who were biased as hell with their opinions? Like there was nothing wrong with hellcat prior to Armor 2.0?
@@filthycasualgaming9715 there was a shit ton wrong with a lot of things, like the entire German bias
@@arkadisevyanlol people loved the Nazis
I never even knew that the game died, I literally installed it today for the nostalgia just to start up and read that the servers are no longer active... so sad, this game had a certain quirky feel and funny moments/replay-ability that the modern games don't have
me too my friend, on May 26 2023 I wanted to play the game but I learned that the servers closed the day before 🥹
I'm glad i played the game to the last minute. Even though there were certain moments where i just wanted to uninstalled it and erase it from my memory.
Its dead and gone and wont come back.
Simple as that.
Dont do this too me you commie
@@Waldherz lets hope your wrong
There's a guy on r/heroesandgenerals working on restoring the game. He's getting closer.
@@wyldone5038 me gustaría al menos jugar offline con bots o en servers comunitarios jaja.
@@wyldone5038 I looked it up. Before I read your comment, I was completely behind the main-comment.
But seeing this guy on reddit actually trying to piece things together, gave me one thing that I didn't have for anything heroes and generals related... Which is hope.
If this guy succeeds, I'll donate him money. Apparently he already managed to launch an action-server. So if what he's posting is true.. There might actually be a chance..
heroes and generals 2 though? hell nah. Anything that comes from the TLM devs at this point isn't going to happen. They burned their community by not communicating and how they handled it. Putting a gun to our head "donate 2 Million dollars or lose your game" and just packed up even sooner when the goal wasn't reached and didn't say a word. The community now, is the aftermath of a forest-fire for them. Aint no way they are coming back. I have more hope in one random netcode-boi to restore the game to a playable state.
So blessed that he's also trying to get the whole war-thing to work.
The whole war thing is also the reason, why enlisted and hell let lose cannot even be compared to H&G as "replacements". Cause the only thing they share is that they are shooters. But that is like saying, call of duty, hunt showdown, fortnite and overwatch are all the same game.
Theres a guy trying to revive the OG H&G, you can check his progress on the H&G subreddit
Link pls
Link
I want the old game back, why? it the best feeling you can have!
Save yourself the ten mins there’s is nothing of substance within this video
I wish they would bring back the original and focus on what the players want not the money...
All they ever had to do was fix the damn servers and people would still be playing it
Haven't found anything that can replace H&G.
Is there a world war game that can send many people in one vehicle ?
That's where the fun of this game 😄
When you transport many people, get hit by tanks, planes, or mines, then laugh with your friends 🤣🤣🤣
Memories that will never be forgotten 🤗
I recommend Foxhole, it's got a huge learning curve but it's a great game
Hell let loose
Enlisted
Battlefield 1942, which invented that??? Its "spiritual successor" BF2 mod Forgotten Hope 2? Planetside, Enlisted, Squad, Hell Let Loose. Basically any large scale fps
Easy Red 2! Tanks Planes and vehicles , bf1942 style warfare with full inventory system, realistic tank ballistics, single and multi-player with up to 80v80 AI 10v10 or 20v20 players, 80+ vehicles and planes! Squad commands, ships etc check.it.OUT!
Enlisted failed misserably to deliver something close to HnG
What about Hell Let Loose?
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay ye is a nice one but it is not so fun in hell let loose you depend too much on other people.,
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShayHell let Loose IS good game, just not same style game.
maybe if the monetization wasn't so egregious, it wouldn't have died to begin with, in 2016 you couldn't play with a vehicle without finishing in the red. there was a reason why people kept locking their supply trucks, having to pay for each supply (and ammo for your rifle) was just dumb.
I'm glad the game is still talk about these days after its shutdown, even if people keep screaming to just play hell let loose or enlisted even though they're nothing like HnG. it really shows how unique the game is to this niche people and isn't like any other.
The issue wasnt that the game was hard, headshots ballanced weapon class options so it wasnt just SMG or Automatic rifles overpowering everything. Headshots are hard to make and thats a skill based shooting requirement. That enhanced the experiance more then anything as far as gunplay went allowing all guns to do what the sniper options were able to do, which was 1 tap to the torso (this was tweaked as they went allowing all bolt rifles to do this torso delete within some type of distance). It allowed people to make weapons there preferance, you increase recoil and reduce spread at range to increase damage potential, you had high accuracy which came at loss of damage, or you had RoF which had a mix of both but somewhat was better for hipfire. People got upset saying "You can pay for everything", but you could also grind for everything. I had grinded weapons outright on many characters and thought there was no issue. Issues arose when they made Tank changes, the American tanks basically were paperweights and all tanks became snipers because the only good counter was driving into the woods and ambushing them with AT weapons. So basically whenever tanks were involved it was often 1 sided and American teams would bank on airpower which didnt get good cannon shots and had a hard time grinding for planes against constant cannon planes.
The following problem was a game balance as Infantry are required to capture everything, Snipers and tanks took up player slots and people would swarm to stick in tanks to try and farm long range kills to stat pad. That would often lead to 3 to 4 players trying to play objectives, expecially on America, This lead to losing a lot and you had to wait till clans got on at peek hours, these clans also played differently per war. So they ran all factions and there were times at peek hours where Germany just fielded nothing but heavy tanks for 32 areas of combat and your best defense would be 3 to 4 infantry squads as your blitzed with Tiger 1 and Tiger 2. Shit was rigged as the Pershing had dogshit pen ammo and it took up to 13 rounds to kill a Tiger 2 from the front and it took 4 to kill the Pershing xD Which lead to a massive power imballance. The cost of war in America was just stupid for the damage sustained. The game Fell out of favor because it was basically become cannon fodder for tanks, thats the primary reason the game died. Its like warthunder if reversed, CAS in that game ruin the tank experiance but they rarely did anything in H&G (Due to the damage system against tanks). The best thing would have been to add more AT vehicals and equipment on the map to mitigate the problem.
In short the game suffered from a horrific imballance allowing a single player to change the game so long as they had a high ground position and a tank with no compedative oposition. The problem with the Armor is you could only kill peices in a tank (You needed 4 destroied to delete the tank mind you), meaning unless you nocked out engine and then turret ring most of the oponents armor would just take the brunt. This was expecially noted against IS3 and King Tiger as E8 took 5 side shots to do full damage to internal structures (this was the same for the T-34 but not the 85 varriant where it took 3 to start doing full damage).
Problems for why the game died:
1) Core game became vehicals dominated core gameplay
2) cost to speed up the games grind was expensive (Meaning people who were paying were nagging it was pricey to skip ribbon grind, which is the reason grinding was fair and the game was funded otherwise the playerbase would be ran over by pay to play accounts within a year)
3) Mass review hate by people who wanted a F2P shooter that WASNT WW2, there was several threads made to add more weaons then realistically was in any army set and they were basically trying to turn a WW2 game into a Automatic hellhole like a game based in the 80s. Problem with this was new nations would have been the fix, but instead they complain aiming to modernize the game from WW2 (Devs ignored this), they planned to add better AAA systems, update the tank systems to make them weaker, and then possibly add more factions, but this was slated as the money was drying up from the slow progress with the engine (They needed to open the newer game durring the planning stage of the first game if they wanted to pull this off)
Heroes and Generals can still make a driving come back, the problem is the game just doesnt meet the average player expectations anymore and the sad thing is they were better then the predatory trascation list in other games. People were willing to play Battlefront 2 and pay for cards compaired to deal with H&G cause the P2W crowd didnt want to pay the pricing to not just streight skip the grind and fuck everyone over. I personally think pay to grind faster is fine, I wont do it because you wont gain the skill required, but I also wont throw out there the cash that the Devs need. H&G did there grind pricing right, its the problem of when the late war heavy tanks got added that the game got fucked over, the only counter was infantry and the warmap showed it.
Infantry only matches were even and that was the most played, but got stale as there was only 5 maps to play. Warmode was useless, and maps with tanks were abandoned often. H&G has a lot of promiss with a newer engine, problem is consistency of said systems!
I really doubt it unless another studio buys the rights to it, retomoto definetly doesnt care anymore. Those danish bastards are too busy getting drunk with the money they got from teh game to care.
@Resonant FPS there is now a fan base H&G in the working!!!!!
I legit had a few thousand hours in the game I believe. I'd always go away for awhile but come back. I miss it.
i Enjoyed my time on H&G. Greed destroys everything
I vividly remember these oldschool battles. Where we as germany had.. I think it was 72 infantery-tickets, against US with basically everything.. This huuuge wave of everything you wanted to have. And this was back, when a single infantrie divisions had a max amount of players linked to it. The numbers might be wrong, but I think an infanterie division allowed 4 players to participate. So we were already 4 players with 72 respawns against a full enemy team with EVERYTHING..
We ran down to the last tickets.. desperately trying to hold the last point... ANd suddenly a sniper platoon came in.. 2 More players on our sides, but our infanterie spawns were approaching 0.. Suddenly, a shitty garrisson division arrived with 32 more respawns and 2 more player slots.. then when that nearly ran out.. another full infanterie-division arrived in the battle.. giving us 72 more respawn tickets.. and I don't remember if we actually managed to push back in the battle, or if we just won the defense by surviving the timer on the last battle.. But we won. The enemy was forced back into the previous province and it felt.. so damn good to hold on in that battle.
When they ruined the war-resources.. this kind of battle never happened ever again. But I remember several of such battles in the very-very early time and those were the most fun ones.
I used to play the game during 2019-2021, I never knew how bad the situation was in the backstage until it was shut down in 2023, only stopped playing because it was super grindy without paying.
No other game can replace H&G bring my boi back
the only fun moment this game used to have was doing a nose-dive with a plane over a city doing a bombing run before you had to pull up or crash into the ground. And these scammer devs went in and ruined that by adding a "wobbling" effect when your plane hit high G's which prevented you from controlling it. They actively sought out whatever little fun that could be had and DESTROYED IT. Same thing with the sniper scope: giant open maps > grinding forever to get a scope > only for it to be stolen from your acc and replaced with garbage cause apparantly you were trying to have fun, which is not allowed by them. (yes they actually went and replaced everybodies sniper scope with a cheap 2x zoom sights during a game update, like as if that's not illegal)
Heros and Generals defined my early years in highschool and brought me and my boyfriend and friends together. Even when we were all far apart and had only met each other online it was something we could all do together. Now that I have been living with my bf for a few years and seeing the game die it feels like an end of an era. I personally tried playing games like Hell let loose and Enlisted. And while Hell was good, Enlisted is really made by a scummy company too. Also the gameplay kind of sucked. For me though Heros and generals will forever be special. Even if it sucked too lol.
in this game the devs LITERALLY REMOVED A SNIPER SCOPE YOU HAD TO GRIND FOR MANY HOURS TO UNLOCK FOR FREE, AND REPLACED IT WITH A 2X ZOOM SCOPE THAT WAS WORTHLESS WHILE LOCKING AWAY THE SNIPER SCOPE BEHIND ANOTHER PAYWALL. THEY CRIMINALLY UPDATED THE GAME TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM YOUR INVENTORY TO TRY AND GET YOU TO SPEND MONEY TO BUY THEM. THEY ALSO RUINED AIRPLANE FLYING CONTROLS IN FAVOR OF MAKING ONLY CHEATERS CAPABLE OF DOING DOGFIGHTS AND SHARP TURNS.
Play fog of war free edition - medic and recon have car on game ! (if you have enough credits) , when you die credits going down , if you capture point continusly (stay near flag) , your credits going high !
I stumbled across a different H&G inspired game in development awhile ago called Warbound
and personally, I think it shows far more promise than Beyond Heroes does; especially considering it actually has developers who are active in the community and post WIP parts of the game
I need details bro, i see some games being made but they also reach a dead end.
I would rather want from them to get back the original H&G. The H&G 2 doesen`t look so good at all if u ask me... Instead of making H&G2 they could put new country`s, like Japan, France, UK, that would be much better...
Please come back H&G1.... even if only for a day, but please come back 😢🙏
We need Heroes and Generals back. Also Third comment.
The old footage from like before 2016 is so beautiful to see, it was actually better looking in the alpha and beta... 😂
although i am playing Enlisted i feel like H&G cant be replaced i missed that clunky feeling and loved the animations keeping the rifle at a high ready if we had alot of what H&G had like the weapon sway and maybe add some polish like what BFV had with vaulting maybe "super sprinting" and crouch running and the very fluid animations i think it would make an amazing game
Согласен, в Enlisted не такие динамичные бои, как были в H&G, скучаю
2 Million unbelievable! Loads of WWII games out there so fuck those developers!
if they open the game again. i would pay 100 dollar to play but including unnlocked eeverything in the game
"They want to release it." Really? Well, they could've fooled me.
i still remember i grind my way from private all the to general lvl. It was a fun game and i hope this game come back..
I miss this game 😢
Wait wait wait wait wait.... It wasnt Reto announcing H&G2. Reto sold the game around 2 years before ot was shut down. Cant recall the new company, but they made everything just worse and literally ended all content updates. And that was the reason nobody wanted to fund their game, they never proved they can do anything. They just took over from Reto and tried to squeeze every last bit of money out of it. Didnt they even shut down russian servers as political statement, or was this just a rumor? I only know that 2022 suddenly 50% of the remaining players vanished
Btw, H&G is still unmatched imo. Enlisted is just an infantry carnage shooter (what it does good, but its no H&G)
If it's come back I'm in but..
It's simply gone. A thing that was good while it lasted. The dev was even reading things from a script and you can watch his eye tracked the text.
I don't want an H&G2. I want my "ugly" fps game back, No other game was that fun.
I actually LOVED the 3-way battles.
We need it back
If the game don't come back do anyone know analog of this game?
I miss WAR so much.. So many thousands of hours for the conquest of Europe. I went to sleep and the first thing in the morning was to move troops to help the faction. EllasNeverDies feels sad.
Play WWII Online! It's free, It has an awesome and welcoming community and an event will go on soon -October 6th- so give it a try!
Actually thinking back, I dont mind paying a monthly fee at a fair amount so that we can keep playing, I miss you H&G !
6K hours here. mostly in tank v tank mode. I still couldn't find any game out there have a vibe like H&G. it's bring me alot of joy with friends and pull me out of a boring reality life i have.
That' s why I was regularly destroyed when playing tank vs tank mode 😄 ! The opponents were experienced pro
@artisdejus2475 yes people always complain about unbalance match making between light tank and bigger tank ... that make me so sad because too many time i was kill alot of bigger tank with my assasinate skill on starter light tank. They just don't know how strong it is and nagging developer seperated them. That make me really sad because it narrow the strategy play style alot. When you know the game enough, you can turn the weakliest weapon into deadliest weapon.
yeah i also like the tank mechanics, it mixes Wot and War thunder.
I liked that hitting the head was powerful, made the pistols really worth equipping.
I don’t understand why they didn’t just make us pay for the game instead if shutting it down. It was absolutely worth paying for
Sometimes you just dont know what fun you have in hands, until its dead and gone forever...
Man the kickstarter was for sure a exit scam and theg ame is never ever comming back
I miss this game so much.
I actually like the 3-way battles
Why are you milking a dead cow ? Stop abusing our emotions bro 😭😭😭
I don’t want AAA level HnG, I want my shit f2p (and p2w) game back.
I'm ready to get her back! Who's with me???
Я готов к тому, чтобы еë вернуть! Кто со мной??
Me!
@@BazejGamratHave you already joined the channel?
I left the game when they nerfed the speed bike
I can kinda feel your pain. They nerved the armored scout cars health and that just forced you to sweat with them or die. They realy just slowly killed the fun.
@@schneewolf1951 I was talking about the bicycle 🚲 as a meme but yeah they nerfed all but buffed the track type of vehicles
@SanDimasCL even the track type of vehicles felt like they were made of paper, you could flip a tank far to easily.
We really loved the game for what it was but instead of fixing it they just made it into how can we get as much money out of it.
I liked the War map integration, and playing with clans. i play war thunder now instead and its missing that. The community seems less toxic than H&G at the end thats for sure. You can even talk to enemy during battles and it usually doesnt get out of hand.
Sería tan feliz con que alguien haga un mod paea jugar hyg offline con bots y con servdrs comunitarios...
5:10 It didn't exist as a game I believe, just a rushed trailer, but still....had they not been greedy and instead asked for 250.000 $ it would start derpy and fix itself up , since they would be strating from scrap anyways, it's gonna look good no matter what (I think) cause UE5
I didn't really play the game, but my dad play this game a lot. But there are other WW2 games out there.
The developers did an amazing job with this game. But it seems it was early access scam under a disguise. Developers made their money and closed it down.
Come back?
playing it back then from 2016 - 2018, i have 2000 hours playing this game and the reason why i didn't play again after 2018 is because how stupid the requirement to play this game. now i have a good pc to run all the AAA game but this game is already dead and sometimes i miss to play this game with my friend's in asia server :(
It's done, because TLM was then accquired by Endava, who have nothing to do with games. The IP belongs to them now and it rests 6 feet under.
You made this title based on hopes and dreams.
Stay on them! I want to play the upgraded version of H&G. If you ever get a update please let us know I check on this regularly. Thank you!
Best game ever period.
I still think better cosmetics would have helped. I known I'm not the only on who would have payed for some more of that german drip
Damn i miss this game
Even if it comes back in any other shape or form, I won't be playing it. They killed the game & made everyone lose their progress on the premise of making the game on a totally different engine and well.. we all know how that ended up now.. I had grinded every recon role in every factions & was getting my tank crews up there too when it all ended.
Everything in the game was obtainable without paying for anything. Anyone who even attempts to say Heroes and Generals was pay to win doesn't know what pay to win is.
Obtainable for free, yes. So poorly balanced and built that achieving late unlocks was nearly impossible due to whales shelling out hundreds of dollars for FG-42s and Maxim Tokarevs, making it an arduous task to even begin to fight in a match? Absolutely. I had about 400 hours into HnG over its lifetime, and early on, things were, for the most part, reasonable, so to speak. However, around 2019-2020, the paid features started getting wildly out of hand, with Tiger 2s and come camos costing an astronomical amount of ingame currency which if bought, was worth at least two brand new $60 games. It was blatantly pay to win, depending on the match.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the "pay to win" was that bad in H&G, but to say there was "no pay to win" is sheer stupidity. There certainly was at least one gross pay to win example, the second badge as premium, that was a (pretty significant) statistical benefit (truest definition of pay to win, a statistical benefit for real money, ex. 40% reload speed (Fast Reload), 25% faster bloom recovery (Dead Eye, was really good with semi auto rifles), 15% less damage (Heavy Set, the "don't get OHK'd badge")). Membership was clearly impossible to obtain with less than four hours of active play a day. In other words: Unattainable for casual players with a job, study or other civil engagement... The only people who'd argue against that fact failed 8th grade math and/or are unemployed.
lol i hrinded maxim tokariev and fg 42 with friends in one battle 😂😂@@AevisPrime
yes HG was not P2W but it was for non clan players a P2P bcause they were not able to grind stuff and farm money and most of the time they did noitjing in the match
Depends on how much of cheese you were willing to do and if you were lucky to play when annual sales for credits came
With cheese strats you did it quick with boosters, but without it you suffered especially if you were suicidal enough to grind bolt action rifles
This man does not know about the H&G revival project 😉
enlisted is as much of a replacement like the airplane is for a car
If only... I have over 1k hours on this game and have played it since the beta of 2014.... Damn shame
I'm still pissed that all credits and gold are gone. "F2P" sucks
Only thing they needed to update were maps
Lol HNG got me thru some real life struggles, I had a very toxic relationship in 2019 and to cope with the cheating, lying, and betrayal I decided to play this dog ass game and fell in love, then covid happened and sunk damn near 1k hours into it with my buddies, I look back on those moments with great fondness. What I wouldn't give to play just one more game on samere depot again
Reto Moto were told if they ignored the community they would lose their game but they got greedy and arrogant and they got what they deserved. Ignorant Devs, they were warned 😂
Just started playing enlisted and so far i think its good, better weapons but nothing will replace heroes and generals
enlisted is shit.
Who the hell was black cat, there was a game i was going 1 for 1 with that guy the entire game
played it during its peak, sadly couldnt reach more than 2.6k hours
While that is nice to hear.... Do I really care anymore? Heros and Generals was a Fun game without question. But.... while i wouldn't know anything about PAY TO WIN, it did turn into a BIT of a grind when they UPPED THE PRICE of everything in the game for Credits, like a freaking SHOVEL went from 150 to like 500 Credits.
But by far the WORST part of H&G was the Matchmaking or at least how they DID match making. It didn't care about your GEAR only your "account level", so even if all you had was m1 Garands you still fighting people with STG44s and it SUCKED! Didn't matter if all you had was bronze weapons you where getting matched with Gold. If they can fix THAT PROBLEM Then I might actually give a shit.
H&G
game was really fun, i think my top 3 . now its gone forever....
i wasted like 300 euros and 2500 hours on it
headshots was amazing
i miss, my is-2 iosif stalin tank.... :C
game's completely dead, there won'T ever be a come back after how awful they pushed microtransactions and pissed their community because of it and then messed with us again with their garbage kickstarter alongside free UE5 assets trailer XD
im probably gonna buy hell let loose by this point
как можно так сделать и удалить игру? в истории игр есть ещё такие примеры где кинули людей из-за отсутствия средств на поддержку серверов?
no... dont give me hope
The wierd Thing is i watch a video from this game so is this a hint