When I was in Afghanistan I was attached to the Australian army and a couple of their guys brought their ball gloves and would play catch with us sometimes. Really solid ball players. They said they played since little league. I was surprised to hear baseball is at all popular in Australia with cricket being so big.
I think CPBL is a little bit better than ABL. Some CPBL players go to ABL when they are too old to play in CPBL. So I think CPBL->9 ABL->10 will be better.
Excellent vid. Just subscribed and looking forward to more. Also, As a collector of baseball jerseys and caps, you have given me a bunch of new teams to scout for "snazzy gear." Again, thanks for the great story.Much good Karma your way and keep up the good work.
Great article and great documentation on the number comparison. The only thing that I would change is the #3 and #2 Rankings. Even tho LMP have done Great in recent Caribbean series (solely because MLB Teams DO NOT allow DR prospects players to participate past the LIDOM National title, where in LMP they from a selection of said tournament best players) you have to Factor in the avg Speed of the pitchers in both the LMP and LIDOM. In LMP they are more offspeed type pitchers and rarely break 94-95 mph, contrary to LIDOM where is very common to have 95+ MPH pitchers and occasionally triple digits throwers. Other than that, GREAT VIDEO.
Here are just some current mlb players that have played in 2023 in LVBP (venezuela): ronald acuña jr, andres gimenez, salvador perez, freddy fermin, orlando arcia, oswaldo cabrera, oswald peraza, jose quijada, silvino bracho... these are just some of them, and then you have top prospects like jackson chourios and a bunch of former mlb players like Odubel Herrera. LVBP should be ranked higher now.
I love LMP but i agree with most here that it’s probably a bit to high at 2nd. 3rd or 4th would be more accurate imo. Still there’s good baseball overall in all these leagues mentioned
Marv. C. It’s not totally truth.CPBL talent isn’t only equivalent to single A+ - 2A.on Average is 2A some best player talent lever equivalent to 3A.if you always focus on CPBL.maybe you know that.
I'm no strangers to CPBL, I do admit, some players are 2A level players and a few are 3A level players, but "OVER ALL", I think it's still fair to call CPBL's talent are single A+ - 2A.
@@EricChuang-kn5ug In 2020, Baseball America surveyed scouts from around MLB who have experience with both the minors and baseball in Asia. Their conclusion: KBO is between AA and AAA for talent and competition, while CPBL is between Low A and High A. Ranked #10 is fair.
Further to the comment re the Australian League being only ten years old...Yes, true for the current League BUT there was an earlier version that operated 1989-1998. Many players from the earlier League also played in the MLB and number of coaching staff came here with afffiliations with MLB Clubs also set up. Numerous Aussies have played in NCAA, Minor Leagues, in Asia, Germany and Frramce.
Do the leagues outside of Korea, and Japan provide a full time salary? Can players make a comfortable career in those leagues. I know it’s not millions but do they make money equal to middle class people, or higher? Great video thank you 👍
Not really fair to include Indy leagues. If he did, at least 3-4 other leagues wouldn’t have been included at all. You’d have to put the American Association and probably Frontier League too.
Dude Lidom is the second/third best baseball league in the world... our prospects are top in MLB we have won more Caribbean Series than anyone and add a World Classic to that... And add to that our low budget to sports.
Some incorrect information here, "the minor leaguers that play in the CPBL are usually not ex-major leaguers, but guys who never made it to the MLB." I don't think that's the case, if you have time, you can Google the list of 2019 and 2018 CPBL foreign players. You will find a lot of them are actually former MLB players. A lot of them do play winter balls in the Latin America region during the CPBL off-season, so you can even get a direct comparison with their performance in the CPBL. As for why not that many CPBL export to MLB? It is more of a policy thing, unlike Japan and Korea, Taiwan have no system in place to prevent amateurs from signing with overseas organisation. But that's another story for another time. A few examples of CPBL direct export to MLB are Ni Fu-Te and Tsao Chin-Hui. Both of them jumped from CPBL to Triple-A then to MLB.
My source is a year old so it may have changed since then but according to this, less than half of foreign players in CPBL previously played in MLB. So yes some of them are former MLB players but most are not. www.google.co.jp/amp/cpblstats.com/2019-cpbl-foreign-players-tracker/%3famp
@@baseballinternational174 It is definitely not as little or none existence like you suggested. I don't want to put words in your mouth, maybe you didn't mean that, but that just the impression I get from it. Taking out the Dragons (they are for winter league) the MLB-MiLB number is pretty much half and half. Also, Ryan Bollinger is an interesting case to think about too, called up to MLB but never pitched an inning.
Bro, Lidom is definitely better than the Mexican Winter League, it should be second place. You just have to look at the performance, this year Lidom won the Caribbean Series undefeated. Man the game is good in DR, and it's very competitive.
Only foreign players in CPBL can able to survived in KBO or NPB. So far there are NO (0) CPBL's Taiwan player ever play in KBO, and the few CPBL's Taiwan players got signed by NPB, did not last long in NPB.
Marv. C. You need realize that Japan Korea and Taiwan’s player move to each league is not easy . They have rigid regulation for moving to another leguage.
Even after a CPBL's native player is qualify to sign with a NPB team, they did not last long in NPB. Since 2000 - 2018, there were 5 CPBL's native players went to NPB, none of them lasted for more then 3 years. The only rare exception is Hsu Ming-Chieh, but he came from the now defunct TML. Hopefully Wang Bo- Rong will be the first CPBL's native player to make an impact in NPB.
You ranked Mexican Winter League better than Dominican Winter League, no way friend. Dominican Winter League is way better, I mean the quality of the players you can see in Domimican Winter League you wont see it in Mexico. In DR last year for example Fernando Tatis Jr, this year Eloy JimeneZ, dind't play this year but plays with some regularity Nelson Cruz, Hanley Ramirez is actually playing, Wellington Castillo, Aristides Aquino and I can mention many others and believe me you wont see this type of players in Mexico, Im not saying the are the biggest stars but those type of names are not easy to find in Mexico and the better proof that mexican winter league is not at same level than Dominican winter league is the caribbean series, wich is play by teams represeanting their leagues, Dom.Rep. has 19 titles and Mexico has 6, and DR starts playing around 21 years later than Mexico the caribbean series. So no way is not a league that should be better ranked than LIDOM.
Yankarlos Zapata In my opinion the LMP is slightly better than LIDOM. I mean look at the recent Caribbean Series’s. Mexico is almost always top there. The DR team usually is made up of fringe MLB players where they become stars in LIDOM. I mean, do you seriously think players like Abraham Almonte, Guillermo Heredia, and Ronny Rodriguez are actual MLB talent these days? They can barely make a roster here now! While the LMP has players such as Efren Navarro and Daniel Nava, who both aren’t good enough to make it into the MLB either, they have players like Esteban Quiroz, Joey Meneses, and Luis Urias, who can definitely be good players in the MLB. Still I am a fan of both leagues, both have great hitting, great fans, and they are both very interesting.
@@c200065524 Papi, Numbers are there, 20 titles now vs 6. Mexico stars playing 21 years before. Fernando Tatis JR, Nelson Cruz, Eloy Jimenez, Fernando Rodney. There is a big big diffrence nunbers are there, but if you feel good thinking is a better league. Okay I respect that, but like a just said. Numbers are there. History is there.
Yankarlos Zapata notice how you say the 21 titles to 6. You sound like Yankee fans who like to only go to “we have 27 titles” when they are criticized. I like the LIDOM, the fans are great and the competition is fierce, but that’s only at a local level. The LMP and LMB are way ahead on the playing field. They are the richest league, with the best coverage, and are miles ahead of the competition. I mean the MLB, if they are to expand internationally, they are to go to Mexico first before any other country, excluding Canada. That proves that Mexico as a whole is more advanced than the DR. You don’t see teams dying to go the the DR for a few games. The stadiums just aren’t ready for anything big like that
As far as talent on the field goes, ever since MLB stopped allowing its players and most prospects to play in the Latin winter leagues, the leagues have pretty much become even. The fact that Panama wasn't added to the 2019 Caribbean Series until less than a week before it began and still won the title (even though they hadn't sent a team to the CS since 1960) seems to bear this out. For what it's worth, the LMP outdraws every league outside MLB in the Americas for average attendance. In terms of overall fan support, there's no argument.
1:04 10 - CPBL (Taiwan)
1:57 9 - ABL (Australia)
2:46 8 - LVBP (Venezuela)
3:58 7 - SNB (Cuba)
5:20 6 - LMB (Mexico)
6:13 5 - LBPRC (Puerto Rico)
7:35 4 - KBO (South Korea)
9:04 3 - LIDOM (Dominican Republic)
10:40 2 - LMP (Mexico)
13:04 1 - NPB (Japan)
Honourable mentions:
- PROBEIS (Panama)
- IBL (Italy)
- Honkbal Hoofdklasse (Netherlands)
REp Dom is better than any country but USA and Japan in Baseball... We are the first power in the world...
When I was in Afghanistan I was attached to the Australian army and a couple of their guys brought their ball gloves and would play catch with us sometimes. Really solid ball players. They said they played since little league. I was surprised to hear baseball is at all popular in Australia with cricket being so big.
I think CPBL is a little bit better than ABL. Some CPBL players go to ABL when they are too old to play in CPBL. So I think CPBL->9 ABL->10 will be better.
ABL had Ronald Acuña, Jeremy Guthrie, Gift Ngoepe, Rhys Hoskins, Travis Blackley, and Koo Dae-Sung in the last 5 years alone
This was a well produced and sourced youtube video. Thank you for the perspective and the work you put into it.
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Excellent vid. Just subscribed and looking forward to more. Also, As a collector of baseball jerseys and caps, you have given me a bunch of new teams to scout for "snazzy gear." Again, thanks for the great story.Much good Karma your way and keep up the good work.
Sucks it took a pandemic for me to get into Int'l baseball and discover your channel, but I'm glad I did!
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen in my long and illustrious UA-cam watching career. Finally someone with a brain. Thanks for this!!
Great article and great documentation on the number comparison. The only thing that I would change is the #3 and #2 Rankings. Even tho LMP have done Great in recent Caribbean series (solely because MLB Teams DO NOT allow DR prospects players to participate past the LIDOM National title, where in LMP they from a selection of said tournament best players) you have to Factor in the avg Speed of the pitchers in both the LMP and LIDOM. In LMP they are more offspeed type pitchers and rarely break 94-95 mph, contrary to LIDOM where is very common to have 95+ MPH pitchers and occasionally triple digits throwers. Other than that, GREAT VIDEO.
Same here LIDOM has to be number 2
Here are just some current mlb players that have played in 2023 in LVBP (venezuela): ronald acuña jr, andres gimenez, salvador perez, freddy fermin, orlando arcia, oswaldo cabrera, oswald peraza, jose quijada, silvino bracho... these are just some of them, and then you have top prospects like jackson chourios and a bunch of former mlb players like Odubel Herrera. LVBP should be ranked higher now.
good video! thanks for all the research!
I love LMP but i agree with most here that it’s probably a bit to high at 2nd.
3rd or 4th would be more accurate imo. Still there’s good baseball overall in all these leagues mentioned
Who would put above it? Korean league? Dominican?
I'd have the CPBL a bit higher, but otherwise, good job. Thanks!
#10 rank for CPBL look fair. CPBL talent lever only equivalent to Single A+ - 2A
Marv. C. It’s not totally truth.CPBL talent isn’t only equivalent to single A+ - 2A.on Average is 2A some best player talent lever equivalent to 3A.if you always focus on CPBL.maybe you know that.
I'm no strangers to CPBL, I do admit, some players are 2A level players and a few are 3A level players, but "OVER ALL", I think it's still fair to call CPBL's talent are single A+ - 2A.
@@EricChuang-kn5ug In 2020, Baseball America surveyed scouts from around MLB who have experience with both the minors and baseball in Asia. Their conclusion: KBO is between AA and AAA for talent and competition, while CPBL is between Low A and High A. Ranked #10 is fair.
Excellent video.
Further to the comment re the Australian League being only ten years old...Yes, true for the current League BUT there was an earlier version that operated 1989-1998. Many players from the earlier League also played in the MLB and number of coaching staff came here with afffiliations with MLB Clubs also set up. Numerous Aussies have played in NCAA, Minor Leagues, in Asia, Germany and Frramce.
Do the leagues outside of Korea, and Japan provide a full time salary? Can players make a comfortable career in those leagues. I know it’s not millions but do they make money equal to middle class people, or higher? Great video thank you 👍
I'd say yes because they had manny ramirez at some point and. He was great in MLB.
CPBL provides a full time salary. Players are paid every month in a year despite they don't play for an entire year.
You sort of allude to it at times, but where would you put AAA/AA/A in relation to these leagues?
AA/AAA would be somewhere between KBO/Dominican league and below NPB
I believe that is a great ranking!
Nice video
Great video, What about the Atlantic League?
Not really fair to include Indy leagues. If he did, at least 3-4 other leagues wouldn’t have been included at all. You’d have to put the American Association and probably Frontier League too.
@@timdixon32 But it is, he already has one of the 3 AAA leagues, it's only outside of MLB
@@insertcolorherehawk3761 in that case he should also include American Association then
CPBL'S salaries can be half million USD or more, only KBO, NPB and MLB can pay more money to players
México has a winter league as well
6.27 my guy Jose Sermo! Let’s go!!!!!
Dude Lidom is the second/third best baseball league in the world... our prospects are top in MLB we have won more Caribbean Series than anyone and add a World Classic to that... And add to that our low budget to sports.
Love NPB the most!
We need a baseball club World Cup.
they tried it, but because it was hosted and run by the US it wasn't fair.
Japan won
Anyone know how to watch these leagues??
American Football 🏈!
Think id rather play overseas, not for the money, just to say I played in Korea, Japan, etc.
I didn’t realize you were exempting the mlb
He says it at the very beginning
Interesting.
Why can I only watch this in 240p?
1- NPB
2- LIDOM
“Joey Meneses” wow i wonder where he could be nowwwww…….
Some incorrect information here, "the minor leaguers that play in the CPBL are usually not ex-major leaguers, but guys who never made it to the MLB." I don't think that's the case, if you have time, you can Google the list of 2019 and 2018 CPBL foreign players. You will find a lot of them are actually former MLB players.
A lot of them do play winter balls in the Latin America region during the CPBL off-season, so you can even get a direct comparison with their performance in the CPBL.
As for why not that many CPBL export to MLB? It is more of a policy thing, unlike Japan and Korea, Taiwan have no system in place to prevent amateurs from signing with overseas organisation. But that's another story for another time.
A few examples of CPBL direct export to MLB are Ni Fu-Te and Tsao Chin-Hui. Both of them jumped from CPBL to Triple-A then to MLB.
My source is a year old so it may have changed since then but according to this, less than half of foreign players in CPBL previously played in MLB. So yes some of them are former MLB players but most are not. www.google.co.jp/amp/cpblstats.com/2019-cpbl-foreign-players-tracker/%3famp
@@baseballinternational174 It is definitely not as little or none existence like you suggested.
I don't want to put words in your mouth, maybe you didn't mean that, but that just the impression I get from it.
Taking out the Dragons (they are for winter league) the MLB-MiLB number is pretty much half and half.
Also, Ryan Bollinger is an interesting case to think about too, called up to MLB but never pitched an inning.
Bro, Lidom is definitely better than the Mexican Winter League, it should be second place. You just have to look at the performance, this year Lidom won the Caribbean Series undefeated. Man the game is good in DR, and it's very competitive.
And also 3 o 4 of the top ten new baseball players are dominicans... Tatis, Soto, Franco, Guerrero, machado, etc.
I'd put LIDOM at least second. All you've got to look at is The Caribbean series titles, the Dominican league's got way more than any other league.
Where is the Croatian league?
Mainland China might developed a new league soon.
The best league is for results maybe Japan ,dominican and Venezuelan are the best ...
Venezuela is better than Cuba league compare the players that plays in Venezuela with Cuban...
I agree but let's be fair... they are not competing at their best. They used to be better.
Only foreign players in CPBL can able to survived in KBO or NPB. So far there are NO (0) CPBL's Taiwan player ever play in KBO, and the few CPBL's Taiwan players got signed by NPB, did not last long in NPB.
Marv. C. You need realize that Japan Korea and Taiwan’s player move to each league is not easy . They have rigid regulation for moving to another leguage.
Even after a CPBL's native player is qualify to sign with a NPB team, they did not last long in NPB. Since 2000 - 2018, there were 5 CPBL's native players went to NPB, none of them lasted for more then 3 years. The only rare exception is Hsu Ming-Chieh, but he came from the now defunct TML. Hopefully Wang Bo- Rong will be the first CPBL's native player to make an impact in NPB.
You ranked Mexican Winter League better than Dominican Winter League, no way friend. Dominican Winter League is way better, I mean the quality of the players you can see in Domimican Winter League you wont see it in Mexico. In DR last year for example Fernando Tatis Jr, this year Eloy JimeneZ, dind't play this year but plays with some regularity Nelson Cruz, Hanley Ramirez is actually playing, Wellington Castillo, Aristides Aquino and I can mention many others and believe me you wont see this type of players in Mexico, Im not saying the are the biggest stars but those type of names are not easy to find in Mexico and the better proof that mexican winter league is not at same level than Dominican winter league is the caribbean series, wich is play by teams represeanting their leagues, Dom.Rep. has 19 titles and Mexico has 6, and DR starts playing around 21 years later than Mexico the caribbean series. So no way is not a league that should be better ranked than LIDOM.
Yankarlos Zapata In my opinion the LMP is slightly better than LIDOM. I mean look at the recent Caribbean Series’s. Mexico is almost always top there. The DR team usually is made up of fringe MLB players where they become stars in LIDOM. I mean, do you seriously think players like Abraham Almonte, Guillermo Heredia, and Ronny Rodriguez are actual MLB talent these days? They can barely make a roster here now! While the LMP has players such as Efren Navarro and Daniel Nava, who both aren’t good enough to make it into the MLB either, they have players like Esteban Quiroz, Joey Meneses, and Luis Urias, who can definitely be good players in the MLB. Still I am a fan of both leagues, both have great hitting, great fans, and they are both very interesting.
@@c200065524 Papi, Numbers are there, 20 titles now vs 6. Mexico stars playing 21 years before. Fernando Tatis JR, Nelson Cruz, Eloy Jimenez, Fernando Rodney. There is a big big diffrence nunbers are there, but if you feel good thinking is a better league. Okay I respect that, but like a just said. Numbers are there. History is there.
Yankarlos Zapata notice how you say the 21 titles to 6. You sound like Yankee fans who like to only go to “we have 27 titles” when they are criticized. I like the LIDOM, the fans are great and the competition is fierce, but that’s only at a local level. The LMP and LMB are way ahead on the playing field. They are the richest league, with the best coverage, and are miles ahead of the competition. I mean the MLB, if they are to expand internationally, they are to go to Mexico first before any other country, excluding Canada. That proves that Mexico as a whole is more advanced than the DR. You don’t see teams dying to go the the DR for a few games. The stadiums just aren’t ready for anything big like that
As far as talent on the field goes, ever since MLB stopped allowing its players and most prospects to play in the Latin winter leagues, the leagues have pretty much become even. The fact that Panama wasn't added to the 2019 Caribbean Series until less than a week before it began and still won the title (even though they hadn't sent a team to the CS since 1960) seems to bear this out.
For what it's worth, the LMP outdraws every league outside MLB in the Americas for average attendance. In terms of overall fan support, there's no argument.
You dominican klk yeah dominican league Is better
In my opinion, CPBL > ABL
No way the Atlantic Independent League isn't on this list and Australia is.
LIDOM 2 to Japan only.
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Federal League
Brazil needs baseball dissemination. Soccer is very weak Amazon and in Center-West regions.
Nicaraguan league is stronger than Panama and Colombia.
npb is best
i disagree with the mexican winter league being better than the dominican winter league
sorry man, but Japan is a far better league than mlb