Haven't finished listening yet but once again, dead-on accurate. So sick of certain Philosopher types behaving in such a spoiled, entitled manner and expecting others to serve them and to obey their arbitrary rules. I've had the displeasure of working with far too many unhealthy ESTJs who literally make up their own rules (that they try to impose and enforce on everyone else; never themselves) and then change those rules according to their whims and moods. They often get into middle management positions (put there by other SJs, who reward them for showing up on time and for maintaining (outdated, oftentimes) protocol and then try to supervise others without actually LEADING by example. Often even coasting on the hard work of others and sometimes even taking credit for it. Annoying AF. I've known ISTJs who are absolutely convinced that everyone sees the world in the exact same way they do...and then label the rest of us as "bad SJs". Some of them try to force other people to learn (rote memorization) in the same way they prefer to learn. Worked with too many NFPs who view their job as unimportant bc they'd rather be doing something big and grand and meaningful...and yet are too lazy to go do it and so continue to coast along, happily letting others pull their weight; completely unaware that SOME of us actually take pride in any job we do. I've also known people of these types who have grown and learned and improved and are examples to others of their type . Yeah, that whole BS about kings being divine, the pope speaking to god (or whatever the fuck they claim) and the aristocracy/kings/princes whatever sleeping with other people's wives on their wedding night is so fucking stupid. I seriously hate abuse of power in any form, in any fashion, in any place, at any time. NICE lecture; you were really amusing here too haha thanks.
My single dad who raised me by himself is an ISTJ and I think I want to tell people about what an ISTJ can be. My dad suffered in his life but he did not want that for me. He used arbitrary rules and sometimes white lies. He sometimes made up traditions. But they were made to give me shortcuts so I acted in a more mature manner then the deserved through my own experience. It worked. He built a system that made his children better. I know CS Jospeh went pretty hardcore against his type but I would like people to know that ISTJ can build up winning family traditions that can launch the next generations to do great things. That was his goal and that is what he got. This system that ISTJs can build can be used for good. I have lived it and I am grateful. -an intj
INTP here with an ISTJ husband. One of the best things that ever happened to me. Nothing but ISTJ love from me. ISTJ sense of humour is the best. That being said, the shoe fits amazingly - the good stuff and the bad stuff.
I was raised by a single ISTJ mum and I don't know what would have been of us had she not been there for us after our piece of shit ISFP dad ran away with other women and abandoned us. She worked hard and yeah, sometimes she was so hard on us but she has always been there for us, putting her feelings last (Fi at the bottom of the stack) to make sure she fulfilled her duty to us (Si hero). I love my mum and I have mad respect for her, and yeah just wanted to mention my experience in that there are amazing ISTJs out there (I'm an INFJ btw)
I'm an ENFP, thanks a lot for this insight, especially for the part about how we have to suffer through depression and find our own way out in order to grow, I relate to this but didnt know until now it's something especially sognificant for the delta quadra. Kind regards :)
Any of fellow Deltas (especially NFPs) must read Emma by Jane Austen, or watch the movie (with Gwyneth Paltrow) or BBC miniseries. The main character, Emma Woodhouse, is the definition of a Philospher type, likely an ENFP, who is constantly trying to make matches through social engineering. She holds a great reputation, and no one sees through her except her ENFJ Templar friend, George Knightley, who sometimes lectures her. I won't spoil it, but in the end we can see how she gains humility and redeems her relationships with others, and it's a great example for us Philosophers of how "good intentions" can still result in bad actions. I don't think Jane Austen even knew about typology, but she knew about human nature, and got this one spot on! So please, Deltas, watch or read Emma.
As an ENFP, I approve of this message. Watching it, taking in the criticism, and having to admit that I have those negative tendencies and potentials inside of me was quite the self sacrifice itself. Truth burns. But to me, self knowledge is my philosophers stone. Awareness of my shadow keeps the devils inside tamed. Reading has been so key in this. And an ability to take criticism (like this video.) That takes humility. Humility, Gratitude, and Self sacrifice, I have found, are the “I Win” buttons that allow me to to truly contribute something meaningful to humanity. That’s essentially what Jesus did. Humbled himself, took the sins of humanity on his shoulders (all of our negative tendencies and shortcomings), sacrificed himself for the salvation of humanity. You’re right, it’s a holy act. Thanks for the reflection man, you know your stuff. I see what you’re doing and I respect it. “The strength of a person's spirit would then be measured by how much 'truth' he could tolerate” -Friedrich Nietzsche
A few months ago I couldn't finish this lecture cuz I was so sensitive and getting offended haha (I'm an INFP) and I recently watched it finished and the entire time I was just nodding my head agreeing with EVERYTHING you're saying....It's crazy how much I've grown to understand that truth is truth and I should listen. (my INFJ sister found your stuff and introduced me - thank the heavens for templars to help us philosophers)
Getting triggered and discuss is not the same thing. Te people discuss, because we want to hear opinion of other people. If an opinion is said, Te challenges it. We also expect getting challenged on our opinions. Goal is to have the same opinion, and doing things the same way, just like goal of Fe is to have the same values. Te-Fi: everybody has their own goals, needs, desires, but we agree on how to get them done. Fe-Ti: everybody does, what they are told, but everybody is doing it their own way.
Durn Tortoise 😋 I need surfs because I get so into my art and writing and reading and music, I need surfs to keep the house clean, make the food and remind me when to eat 🌈😝🥳☮️
Thank you Chase for the massive ROAST, this video in particular has me understanding what enfp depravity really looks like, both for the individual and within wider society. Mind blown.
“A credible person may not mean they know what they’re talking about” Yesss... I’m an INFP and this is one my biggest frustrations in the world. Especially here on UA-cam, it drives me crazy that there seems to be no original thought and the I can’t stand the mob mentality using credentials as the only standard to judge truth. That’s one of the reasons I just am not sure about some of what you’re saying here. It just doesn’t seem to be consistent to the core characteristics of xNFP types. Like you I don’t need credibility to determine truth. Truth can come from the mouth of babes, and corrupt philosophy can come from an expert with a PhD.
Well INFP here. Sis sometimes what we think we are and what we really are are completely different things the mob mentality of ISxJ can get to us coz they make about 40% of the population but their ideas are just retarded. You wouldn't think about it but that's how our dark side when we make bad decisions looks like. INFPs can be corrupted. Even tho we make this philosofical system sometimes it may lack something. If we are young our system will lack something for sure we are not the smartest people in the world. Mb we are the smartest in our neighborhood that's why we think we are superior but sometimes we are really not and unless we experience enough terrific bad shit and be a bit more humble we will not see our own wrong doing. And also if we don't see it by our self and people will try to force it to our throat we will resist so ... yea... xD Fun being an INFP when each day you think if you didnt fucked up something ehh .
I know infps who think they are beyond the herd mentality and so proud of it but they are still actually within it. You are Te users you have to work really hard to get out of that lol
Psycho pass is a gem. Really love your anime references. Would love it if you could type some anime characters as well🤩 starting with psycho pass, may b?
That story about your INFJ friend got me. My brother is an INFJ and I know how tortured they can be. I also lost a friend this last year. My ENTP friend and her ENTJ fiancée were killed. It truly sucks to bury your friends. Anyway, condolences and RIP to your friend
As an anime fan, your anime analogies made so so so much sense to me😂 gonna rewatch FMA with your framework again! I hope I can find my philosophers stone as well! Thank you for another amazing video!
I really don’t see xNFPs being behind Kings and divine right. I could see xSTJs condoning aristocracy, but not xNFPs. If anything xNFPs especially INFPs are usually the ones to be interested in taking down arbitrary power. If anything I think INFPs can err on the side of being too rebellious and not respecting arbitrary authority like ENFPs and ENTPs are often known for.
@@CSJoseph when they're in each others shadows they are, yes. But there are dominant functions which, as the name says, dominate. So, we cannot categorically 'rule out' INFPs behaving in this way, however, it will often be under times of stress, trying not being who they really are or not being 'awake' yet to the worse sides of their nature. I've met many lovely ESTJ's, however, they have functions which dominate. It cannot be as simplistic as 'they have the same functions and are therefore the same'. This diminishes the analysis
But xNFPs are very much into social-justice type movements and those can get really out of hand, very self-righteous and emotion-fueled. The movement and everything it stands for becomes more important to them than the people they are supposedly fighting for. Let’s take the LGBTQ movement as an example, I personally know gay people who are happy in closet, they have their lives figured out the way they want it, but tell that to xNFPs and they’d never be able to conceive the very idea of it, simply because they are so loyal to the movement that the movement is their truth, they’d even out a gay person who is not comfortable being outed, and hideously shame that person for not wanting to come out.
@@fatoumfatoumeh I think you may be speaking about a singular example here sir. You cannot assume that INFPs would out gay people against their will. This is naive and lazy thinking
Mike King it does happen though. Also I did not accuse INFP of it, I’m saying xNFPs are not at all immune to fanaticism and transgressions against people who don’t hold the same views as they do. There are extremists within every movement/group, far right, far left, anything in between, all religious groups, all social groups, even celebrity fan clubs etc. The more ardent followers are going to be blinded by whatever set of ‘principles’ that group upholds (could get serious enough that innocent human lives get sacrificed, or could be as minor as shaming and bullying those who don’t share the same view), because they believe they are doing the ‘right’ thing. Also, I’m not a ‘sir’.
I do notice my own propensity of being more brash and harsh on philosopher types, mainly calling them out on their aubitruary authoritative views. After having a INFP mother & little brother, I’ve gotten familiar with their tendency to human sacrafice, and as a result, whenever I see those tendencies appear, I call them out publically ASAP automatically. I do have to admit my Se parent finds sadistic pleasure in watching their reaction when it happens. But I do find that the more cognitively mature they are, the more grateful they become when I do it. It’s almost like the have a sigh of relief because they finally found someone who will cut through the BS and hold them accountable by telling them the harsh truth. They really become amazingly brilliant students that take simple things I teach them and achieve incredible things as a result and even help me to learn to open my own mind and to achieve more. That is what I love and respect from them. When it comes to achievements, I like for my philosopher type to achieve, but not for the sake of self aggrandizement, status, & rep. Because as a guy wholes highly compatible with this quadra (ISTP), I don’t really care about your personal achievements if they are hollow. I only care about them if you are achieving through benefiting others. Because If I see you sacrificing yourself for the sake of others, I’ll be inspired to help give you back the pieces of yourself that you lost. I will fight for you, only if you show that strength of character & responsibility. And you don’t do that will shollow bragging & flexing your authoritative might. The bottom line is: there is nothing more beautiful than a genuinely grateful philosopher type...it’s just takes a little effort to find one. But that’s just my opinion based of off my experiences with them, but you know...I’m baised on this one. Good lecture CS Joseph, you hit the nail on the head with this one.
I could never tolerate another person’s rules. I’m an INFJ. Love the way you explain this stuff. I’ve known a few selfish tyrannical philosophers, I HATE hypocrisy.
1:10:45 is a very metaphoric moment, as it encapsulates Chase's way of trying to better a person, the quickest shift of tone ever when Ne hero realizes that the praise - criticism scale is imbalanced. Priceless.
@@durntortoise8445 ikr, I laughed out loud how mercilessly he reality checked this abstract future projection of his son, it was like the most perfect ENTP thing ever
Thank you. Truely, you are helping burn out my impurities (selfishness, entitlement, and depravity to name a few). The more I listen to your insights the more I become aware of the intention behind my choices. You’ve reminded me to seek the narrow path and to stop being distracted by the bright lights (novelty, attention, perceived status etc). When your words hurt I am forced to reflect on how those uncomfortable truths can help me grow. Thank you again for the Great reminder to seek truth and to gain merit through self sacrificing effort. I’m going to go read a bunch of books!!!! Sincerely a humbled ENFP
Oh also- you forgot to mention how this Quadra can sometimes wear masks and how we can allow ourselves to develop Stockholm syndrome sometimes and you were going to compare/contrast it to the entp’s mask and their tendency towards Stockholm syndrome in their way. Any chance you can make a separate video on masks?? 🙏
Thank you Chase! This has been a very humbling episode! You’re encouragement, criticism and words of wisdom are a blessing. They help me know I can follow my path forward with confidence and humility. It’s tough seeing your ability to bend the wills around you as a child knowing in your heart you did wrong and knowing your selfishness caused so much pain but it’s beautiful to see the pain from a young age because though selfish the heart of the delta longs for nothing higher then to believe and know they did the right and true things.
As an ENFP, I do experience life as arbitrary and subjective. However, I have come to accept and understand that this has the potential to hurt others. The people who have taught me this the most are my INTP partner and my ENTP son. They have really shown me the beauty of the Fe/Ti axis. I used to just not understand the value and purpose of this axis and not pay attention to it or take it seriously. (Before I studied the functions of had names for these things). I have been studying formal logic to hone my Ti and not just make Fi decisions. Practicing Fe feels like opening my heart in a new way. It does make me feel less self-focused. It’s a hard one for me to get sometimes but I try to ask myself what would my INTP or ENTP do? I think they- and yourself as an ENTP, are good teachers for me because we all share Ne- it’s like you guys are teaching me in my own language, which helps me.
I'm an ENFP I agree with you about the philosopher's stone I only understand it because I almost completely lost my sight for almost two years for no reason and got it back for no reason as well so whenever I see I'm very grateful
I (INFP) hated revisionaist history because at an early age I adopted the idea that history repeats itself and when you change and alter history that I can't predict future. It took me a couple more years to realise I was doing it, on a smaller scale, with my lies and minuplation.
Wow, this explains my relationship with my dad perfectly. I’m INTP, he is ISTJ. He used to give me all these explanations, I could never understand why his words and actions were different, I’d point it out, and he would get so angry. I used to get punished so heavily, eventually I got incredibly apathetic about life. I think it affected him finally because I refused to do anything, and that made him look bad. I got fat, ugly, unsuccessful, denounced Christianity (he converted to Christianity as a child, and because of him, I realized God was not real) etc. I even told him, that because of him, I would never marry. And since I always keep my word when it comes to being inactive, ... He’s finally starting to change. He stopped demanding I live his lie. He’s starting to accept more information as much as he hates it. But I had to change first. I decided to live my truth, to judge myself rather than judge my dad for his life (I am applying Se to challenge his Si, and I think it’s working, slowly, and I don’t really understand Se). I decided to think about my dreams, and that indeed, his rules didn’t rule my life. And then I think he realized it because his rules are miserable and made everyone miserable. Now he’s changing. He’s becoming more understanding, his actions are finally starting a little bit more, to coincide with his words. 😊
Sometimes words and actions don't match up because we are humans. Its possible his words were warnings to avoid going down a road he went down. That is not hypocrisy but passing of wisdom. If an alcoholic commands his children never to pick up a drink, there may be a reason for it that the child does not understand. Hypocrisy isn't giving advice that you don't follow or can't follow but should follow. I take all warnings seriously. I found its easier to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble. And that I can't make all the mistakes of the world so its best to learn from those who did. And your father's actions do not prove God does not exist. Statement is illogical. Does that mean someone's whose father was honorable proves that God exists?
I'm an infp, and I've never judged you negatively. I actually enjoy listening to your lectures, I probably need to retake the test cause maybe I'm not an infp
A very long way to tell me to be freaking grateful for what I have but effective anyway. I'm just going through a dark time after being rejected by a girl and after listening to you, instead of being pissed that she hasn't follow the rules I set up for us I'm just grateful for the year and a half we were so close and all the experience we have together. I don't think everything you say about Philosophers or ENFPs in your other videos apply to me but it's definitely more than I originally admitted. What especially helped me was you telling me that I need to be constantly reminded of the Fe critic. I hust many people not intentionally but just by mere carelessness and lack of attention.
Man I love Se demon, they have the guts to do things that I as an INFJ want to do but physically can’t because Se inferior always holds me back in that regard.
@@fintanwatson2791 I don't see it as criticism. I see it as him trying to appeal to us through aligning with our values. However, it comes off as quite inauthentic/sarcastic.
Hello, Mr Joseph I have been watching your videos and trying to pinpoint where I exactly need to improve. Long way to improve myself but I realized that because of you I have become somewhat less selfish and instead of trying to criticise my ESFJ Grandma, I am trying my best to keep my ego aside and learn from her. (Also I have again started reading a lot of books.) Also, my brother intp as you mentioned due to continuous criticism and conflicts at home (as he always states facts whenever my estj mother is trying to manipulate information)was turning apathetic due to this reason. Therefore, I am just trying my level best to appreciate him and bring back his once alive normal self back. You know what, things have been pretty great and it's all because of you. I want to thank you so greatly. (Sorry for such a long comment but I thought it was so necessary to let you know that you are changing many people's lives. I wish I could put it more suitably but thank you again sir) - By a grateful infp :)
You are right! I’m an ENFP and I read a lot now as I’ve matured. I try to help my friend & family members by teaching them about the law of attraction, affirmations and reprogramming their subconscious minds. I also try to help them deal with their marital issues by typing the spouses especially when there is a lot of conflict in the sensor & Intuitive relationships help them understand the differences between sensors and intuitives, their enneagram type, personality type & attachment types. By doing this I feel like I give back to people and make a significant impact in bettering their lives. This in turn making me feel better about myself. So I use all these different philosophies to make my own philosophy of combining all of these for the betterment of mankind 🙏🏻. What you said is mind blowing and so accurate! Immature philosopher types are definitely toxic, entitled & selfish and will throw you under the bus to save themselves! 💯
Thank you chase. It's very helpful. I see my selfishness and how i'm not grateful for some opportunities that others gave it to me and i'm not earned them. I need to show gratitude and studied more to earn merits.
I also think the Fi gut reactions people have, towards something where someone is having total right to express and be sincere about, makes it less easy to move forward with the value and truth you are driving towards as Ti user. This is just general "you" I am refering to, it can be anybody. What there is to take back when an Fi type is having a gut reaction, is a respectful distance until emotions are processed and two people can get back to equal and comfortable discussion between each other. It is totally possible for every Fi user to take back some of their reaction and be 'you know what, you might be right' and actually feel comfortable with that. Truth wasn't so hurtful after all! This teaches Ti types some humility too, from Fe mirroring effect. The Fe mirrors the humility from what Fi is showing. It can be really frustrating to be tip toeing around Fi / Te when your intention is to just drive to universal truths about things and patterns
I think I am an ENFP and I couldn't see myself committing all these atrocities you speak of because doing the right thing and ensuring humanity is safe is very important to me as well as having a good moral compass and those things you spoke of are very inhumane.
Not an attack on you or a type-related response, but it’s most often those who think they’re incapable of inhumane things that do the most inhumane things. We almost justify it by our reluctance of having had to go there, like “I would never do this so this must warrant it”. The monster is us.
A few comments to other deltas (a few of these Chase graciously read at the Q&A session after this live lecture): 1. Try to see how you relate to Chase's negative examples in kind and not degree. Sure, you may not have literally sacrificed other people's lives for your benefit, but how much do you refuse to make sacrifices because you know someone else will come along and make a sacrifice for you? For example, this could be as little as saying you didn't have time to do the dishes when you know your spouse will do them if you don't. 2. For deltas who are interested in getting started on reading non-fiction, I whole-heartedly recommend first reading Mortimer J. Adler's "How To Read A Book." The book teaches effective steps in how to approach reading in an objective manner, including fiction. Also by M.J. Adler is a series of 102 essays called "The Great Ideas," which are an introduction to the timeless ideas of western history. (These essays were introductions to a greater philosophical compilation of his called the Syntopicon). Could be a good foundation for philosophical thought. Come on, Deltas. So many of us grow up to become scholars of entertainment instead of scholars for the betterment of human knowledge, philosophy, and humanity. There's a time for entertainment, but let's not waste our greatest gift of our temperament on the trivial.
Hi Chase. As an ENFP, I'm grateful for this teaching and the way you show the application of personality at such a deep and broad level, and with passion! I do find what you say to be true in my experience so I'll take the advice ( I am old (35) so I have improved myself out of a lot of the depravity you mentioned). I've definitely been seeking that "I win" button, and recently it's been building a personal philosophy on how to "get the most out of my life" based on what I can perceive Ne, what I know Si, how I can optimise and organise Te, and fitting my values Fi. I'm hoping that will be "the thing" that overcomes my feeling of lost opportunity/potential/failure. I will share it with others, but it may need to be tweaked based on personality types. :) One of my many projects though, so I don't know when. If someone wants to steal the idea, go ahead. It won't be exactly like mine. :) I did get an impression though, lacking in data as it may be, that you like your son more than your daughter? I remember you said on another video that we are responsible to give other types what they need and not "damage them" because they were not a good fit for our family. I hope you are making your daughter feel wanted and special, and what you said in the "8 rules to love ENFP" video, so that she is motivated to be her best for you and for the world...and not have to struggle as I did. Actually, I would love it if you could do parenting videos for each type.
Sorry for my German post, I managed to translate and paste the German one. Im Working on it, no worry. You are even such a genius and what you say is absolutely right. I talked to one of my two best friends (both INFP) and through this knowledge of yours I was able to heal his "spiritual depression" (that's what I call it myself). He himself believed that everything is relative. Through your Trickster contribution post we could absolutely helped him. Thank you. Now he starts to watch really all your videos, not only the own type. This philosopher video and your Trickster post made it. I now even know the personality type of my grandma (ISFJ), both of my sisters (ENFP, ISFJ) and my circle of friends (INFP, INFP, ENFP, INTJ, ISFP) and I have been able to help each of them. One day I'll really give this back to you, I promise. Soon I will try to join the mansgroup too. I even understood through my own Path, that i have to Actualize myself and then my surrounding people.
I've always wondered this. Why does STJ/NFP quadra end up being the most corrupt? Shouldn't they be more resistant to corruption? I've observed philosopher types most easily fall from grace when I believed in them doing the good thing. Is it because they are the most likely type to buy their own BS because they are just too lazy to confront themselves?
Hybe If you see yourself as “special” (aristocrat elitism), you see yourself as inherently entitled to “draw from” others (Vampire mentality, and movie vampires usually look aristocratic). In this mindset, you are “separate from”, due to superiority, rather than just one human in an interconnected web. Recognizing where you are lacking (and thus where you need others) may lead to humility; humility isn’t subjugation but, rather, seeing your “true” place in the universe. With enough humility, you can feel gratitude for the riches that others bring; interactions are no longer a competition to seize/maintain elite status, but a reciprocal exchange that benefits all. No permanent hierarchy of power, just “in the moment” leadership by whoever “has the goods” needed for a given situation (Leadership by current merit). A King Arthur round table - applied to social interactions, minus the word “king”.
I am infp , and I am very stupid person but people think that i am very intelligent because I use lot of metaphors while talking and my affiliative nature made them think that I am very good person. But frankly speaking, I am neither intelligent nor good person but I am just selfish person. But first time in my life, I realized that some one can spot it. I completely feel exposed
Informative bomb inbound, read it if you wish I guess if you want some thoughts from an INFP. This video triggered some serious introspection. There were several times when I wanted to make a comment defending myself but I just kept watching. Being completely honest, my affiliative side was a bit annoyed but because I haven't actually participated in the worst of the activities mentioned I was able to power through. Yet I can't deny creating and then contorting arbitrary rules on a small scale and a bit of a belief in a superiority problem, even as hidden as it is when compared to the extroverted members of the quadra. I believe I have been searching for my philosophers stone through typology. I have been trying to find my type, and through that knowledge I had hoped I could just follow what that type should do to quiet my Ni critic and satisfy my Si child and be happy forever with one easy realization. Now I realize I have known my type to be INFP for a long time, but because I don't want to make personal sacrifices I have been holding on to the idea that I can find the easy solution to my life just through declaring myself a certain type. An important realization that should help me from here. I had this idea some time ago to illustrate the relation between NFJ and NFP importance, specifically the introverted versions, as they are often seen as the least useful from the broad xSxJ perspective (INxxs in general, but INFxs more than INTxs because they aren't quite so intellectually powerful, at least not right away in life). In Game of Thrones, we see the two main characters, Jon Snow (INFP mentioned in one of your streams that has been removed) and Daenerys (INFJ actually typed during the stream I am remembering that has since been removed), actually save the realm. Regardless of the shows execution, the story is a good example of what these two types do. Jon Snow is like the ultimate ideal INFP for the sake of narrative while Dany is a strong INFJ but still has her types trickster weakness. Jon Snow goes to the edge of the world to the wall like an actualized INFP should, and uses his Ne parent fueled by his other functions to determine the White Walker threat that nobody else could see in the SJ and SP dominated Nights Watch. While trying to stop it, he makes the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and his philosophers stone is kind of his resurrection and crowing as King in the North. With his newfound status and power, he continues serving by sacrificing his title (only an actualized and integrated Delta would do this) to Dany, who with her Ni hero was able to actually do the seemingly impossible and unite many disparate factions together. Jon hands her the full picture and knowledge of what must be done, and she in turn does what he cannot and leads their armies to an eventual victory. The INFP can see the problem in the world that nobody else can, and the INFJ once they are taught can solve the problem that seemed impossible to overcome.
@@TeddyChed Because they don't have high Fe and have low Te. They can't speak as eloquently so no one listens to them. Isfps also have the same problem.
@@SS-bu8ez I’m following and you are correct. My only rebuttal is that I have been forced to develop my Te with work and use it effectively but it is extremely draining. So I would argue that an INFP can solve problems but will never do it as effectively or efficiently as types with Te/Fe in their top two functions.
One of my greatest wishes is that you don't get written off like Jung and that your work becomes mainstream enough to make a larger impact on society. Let's go Chase, you got this
Another comment 😅 my moms a philosopher and my dads a wayfarer and you're so right, there's a terrible lack of communication in our family that comes down to passive aggressive jabs, its funny that you called them two peas in a pod because my infp mom just loves taking advantage of my dads need to be the provider, they seem to have terrible compatibility despite that dynamic seeming like it would be fulfilling roles for them. She doesn't work and if she has to do anything for the family she'll complain for the entire week, while seeing no problem having my dad have to work very hard to pay for anything she needs. I'm an infp too but I've learned a lot about who not to be from her example and my estp boyfriend would never let me get away with being so entitled.
Lol my infp gets soooi angry when I don’t buy her food when we go out. She expects me to pay. We had two huge arguments about it Abd so now little by little she buys things for me only three times in 7 months of dating. Also is it normal that she only wants to see me once a week or once every two weeks? She gets mad at a lot these days. - ENTP here
Ugh so true with the terrible communication between wayfarers and philosophers... A guy I was attracted to happened to an ENFP. My 3 best friends of 10 years happened to be INFPs which I started co-living with two of them one after another. And this relationship (in a sense of co-living) is sooo incompatable. 😒
INFP, and just started watching Fullmetal Alchemist the other day. Is this a sign? But seriously, good points about aristocracy. I've noticed that tendency as well. And Occam's razor, which can be a particularly tempting mind trap.
As an INTP or ISFJ (I’m still trying to figure out which type I am of the Alpha Quadra) having relatives/parents that belong to this quadra just makes me feel limited to my true identity. The word that I really am waiting to hear in this lecture is “gaslight” cause they do that to me. I so want to call them out (I do in my imagination and when I am alone). That’s why I so want to acheive independence and be with “my tribe.” They sabotage my plans by always staying safe and thinking what other people will think. They even kind of sold me out to the girl I liked so the girl got so arrogant and humbug thinks I am so dead for her. I am from an Asian family and I suppose I am not alone in this kind of situation. Thank you Chase.
I also like this episode. It feels like I'm hearing a drama story about these people 😂 It's intetesting especially you mention Full Alchemist, I haven't finished watching it since I was a kid, well now, I'm glad I know the ending hehe. Thanks for this episode! Take care.
This reminds me of the story of Donnie Darko, after learning the truth about the people of his community and burning the lies away, he went back in time and sacrificed himself to protect the people he loved.
I think part of the reason why we ENTPs have a habit of criticizing philosophers is because we are the most biased against affiliatives of all the types. And this quadra is by far the most affiliative. Not only are we very pragmatist ourselves, but almost all of our compatible types are also pragmatic.
Anecdote 1:10:04 I literally remembered me leaving for another school which had the reputation of being easier and therefor - in my childmind = of lower status. Back in the days I literally believed that the people going to `lower status schools` were of less value. And I used to tell my mom that the blood circulating through their veins wasn`t as valuable as the blood of those going to a higher-status school. It is a really sad story cause it caused me a lot of depression when I wasn´t even 13 years old. But in fact I remember listening to the teachers praise of people going to University and the verbal cues that downgrade those, that ONLY visit schools of lower status. It was really bad... Later when I gained more knowledge about the school system in. Germany I was able to put theese cues into. a. better perspective. Yes, we are victim to our perceptions... ENFP
This was needed... i grew up in a family where almost all the men are delta quadra. As an ENTJ, this really effected my Fi inferior to the point where i felt as though i couldnt achieve true happiness because i always believed i needed to follow the "right" path or get subjected to being a failure. None of them even knew that telling a 10 year old about the "history" of the world and how they were sooooo successful, would make a 10 year old doubt himself and his image so much... talk about Ni parent and Ne critic always battling
Gosh, you're right. I'm an entj with the exact same memories. What is worse though is that they (generally speaking) don't respect their own rules. You're not alone bro.
@@nicodiangelo3308 right... and the Te is literally always trying to out achieve each other. "I was hall of fame, in college basketball..." "i was the starting linebacker at A&M" "You were in the band? I guess..." "i watched that first inning of baseball that one time... you were trash." Just toxic
@@dairdb Yeah, until they need our se-child and they're something like I dunno how to assemble the furniture Edit:(true enfp reference here😏) . And of course we help them🙄 because se-child. And after 5 minutes they are back again with their,, rules,, and ask you when did you ever help them and of course that we have Si-trickster and don't remember anything (k, this was an exageration) and we end up feeling like a bad person fi-inferior. But let's face it we have our own flaws. 😕
1:07:50 "The law of attraction is an occultic teaching". What makes it an occultic teaching? I don't have any opinion on that, I'm just curious to hear what your reasoning is
Ok I’m an INFP, and I usually am someone who goes against the majority with what everyone says(great example is all the other “typologists” youtubers who are smearing your name all over the internet) They have not given any solid proof that you are a liar, deceiver, but they have quite a following of people believing what they are saying and as convincing as they sound, I am not convinced because they aren’t SIGHTING THEIR SOURCES. (I am also an older INFP who has lived and learned through the years. I was a lot more naive when I was younger though.)
INFP’s get very loyal to ideas, I’m an INFP and am very loyal to cs Joseph’s theory literally because I originally learnt all this stuff from him, if I originally learnt all this stuff from someone who hates on cs joseph I’d be loyal to their ideas instead, this is just how we work.
Skarical Core nope, all INFP’s get extremely stubborn in defending ideas they are loyal to, this is due to Ti Demon and Si child. Because our Ti is so low we don’t verify possible truths, this means that we will stick to believing the theory we are most loyal to or the idea that has the most numbers behind it instead of believing the idea that is the most logical according to our own Ti framework. It Is very hard for anyone else to change our minds once we are loyal to a possible truth
@@elby6980 I think it is a tendency of immature INFPs due to the fact that just because you have low Ti doesn't mean you will forever be loyal to false ideas. It just means you are more susceptible to external information. It doesn't mean you can't improve in this area. Even Chase says that INFPs can potentially overcome this by reading a lot.
Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to read the ender's game series yet, however, as Chase was talking about the Speaker of the Dead my mind immediately went to one of my favorite shows, the anime Death Parade. It's very similar in meaning from an abstract conceptual point of view and, from what I can tell, it contains very similar narratives and thematic topics involving fair judgment and unhindered perception of peoples' lives to determine their true quality of character. I highly recommend this show if you want more raw truth and justice art.
So as an INTP, when I get "FORCED" (by my boss) into action I transition from Deductive reasoning into Inductive reasoning (and also from Ne to Ni) so I can leap into the unknown, because otherwise I would stay where I am comfortable. PS my Boss hates inductive reasoning, but he also hates my "Lack of Progress", and forces me into action, but then complains that I am just making guesses, as he cannot follow my leaps as he is an ISTJ, and intuition isn't a strength for him. The Ti to Te transition is exciting and scary for an INTP... exciting if you think you have all the facts and can move with assuredness. Terrifying if you are pushed into leaping into the unknown and have to quickly find the facts to cling to so you can re-build factual reality around you in an unfamiliar space. The many times I have had to do this in my career, have been my greatest successes, Te Ni are a POWERFUL COMBO, but if you live there without at least visiting Ti Ne, I can see how you would "Die by Assumption".
In my opinion the INTx types have selective memory. We probably understand how you got your decision but there is a lack of clarity as to the why with these types. I know my flaws are there and their probably a burden to others so when people notice them, I attempt to minimize the inconvenience it may cause as much as possible. When people acknowledge my limitations, it does baffle me but if they give me a series of specific examples as opposed to just a generalized statement it gives me room to learn. When you confront the immature INTx type, they project, they warp words, manipulate, and retaliate. -Female ISTJ type who’s learning
(Infp) I know I should be concerned about the icy truth sword that has left me and my entire quadra in a writhing puddle of our own hypocrisies...but C.S. Joseph advocating for great anime fills me with joy. Seriously though, Affiliative sacrifice should be just that, "Affiliative." Let's be better and accountable. Thanks, Chase.
How I know I'm not a Delta Quadra 1: I was immediately uncomfortable. I just wanted chill and watch a video. 2. After the feelings of uncomfort, I went from uncomfortable to angry in compliance with what you said about the Delta Quadra. 3. So, based on my pragmatism, this would mean that I could either be an ILI, or an LII or ILE in the alpha quadrant.
As an INFP watching this, it really hit home. Because I was a brat as a kid thinking that I was better than others and deserved to be popular when I wasn’t and never was. Afterwards I got bullied by someone who was jealous of me and sexually abused by my stepfather (who I believe was an ISTJ) at the same time. It doesn’t help that last year that I learned that my father was a pimp (who I believe is an ESTJ) when he was younger. My father would use the success of all of my siblings and take all the credit by saying that he was the one who got them there. When he didn’t. He also abused my mom when they were together and cheated on her. So, when I was watching this realizing that society is like this because of philosophers like me…it was kind of hard to digest at first. Especially when my Si child just keeps bringing up times when I’ve seen it and / or experienced it happening and it just felt so uncomfortable. I know that I’ve matured a lot since then and I know that I am not entitled to anything (barely believe that I deserve living sometimes), but I know that I’m here for others…just not exactly sure how yet as a college student. Sorry for the TMI but I just really wanted to say that you’re right and that people need to grow up and change since the world is a complete disaster.
Even though it isn't the wayfarer lecture. I'd like to thank you for it. Yes, I'm on quarter way in this video, and I'd like to do it. You have the most accurate discription of INTJs in my opinion. And I've learnt a lot from you. Especially when I could've never met you, being from India. Thank you for your knowledge and analysis and keep ing it free, for people like us. Please a request for the next season, how do we go beyond our way of thinking, mostly we're blocked by the way we think/perceive. And in my quest of being better each day, please help.
I love this one because I feel like it's all the things I love to call out and I wish I had a platform so people couldn't run away from hearing it lol This is why I had to change my major in college. Psychology was so washed with trash. Instead of studying facts we were catering to agendas and opinions
Mind blowing!!! When I started reading philosophy I couldn't understand why Monarchs were so closed minded to kill people like Socrates that were actually seeking justice, sometimes I even raged to what I was reading. How could monarchs choose power and money over a human being? Why there wasn't someone to teach them Mercy? Now I get it, my mind does not see the world as a Te user, it's the most suppressed area of my mind and while reading I realized it Thanks Chase for letting me see my own hypocrisy and flaws. I feel so free to know something that would have taken me years to understand. Keep doing such a great Job!! Can't wait to read all books you've recommended.
17:26 you just brought the argument why a database of all tears is useless. It is in our blood to wish and sometimes what we wish is in conflict with what others wish. Pain is inevitable and I'm not the first to claim that.
moderated obsession But is there an absolute good? It seems easier to know the inherent value of Ti because truth is easier to define. Morality hasn’t been
He's right. As an INFP who practices spiritual beliefs (meditation, Buddhist, & used to do Wicca), figured out why we are inclined to such things & why it works naturally for us because I feel like it describes Fi because it's the most natural way of living as an INFP in its purest form, basicaly living with Fi mostly. Fi is the flow of law of attraction & is the engine to "crafting" or manifesting. Ne is to discover what you want to attract & to see what exactly it is your doing/believing (observing your Fi) & Si is to ground it to "set affirmations" to the universe/Yourself (rule for all spirituality: you are the universe, the universe is you). That's what these practices have in common & that good energy (Fi in it's purest form) & Fi is painting you a picture using Ne what is Fi (Devine or Wretched) if that makes any sense. Ti & Fi can be in a scale or on parallels but both come to similar conclusions. For example let's say science (Quantamechanics) & spirituality (Ego death). They both have a conclusion that we are made out of the same things, electrons = energy so we're all made out of the same shit. They both have a clear vision of other dimensions but the approach is different which makes Fi in a way a truth but on the scale of good & bad vs truth or false. I'm going into theory rn with that but I know some people really think Fi is so useless when it can be just something else if that makes any damn sense lol I think Ti can be proven by Ti in a Te way or in a written grounded way & Fi can be proven by Fe basically not visibly proven but Fe shown (I realized that kind of didn't make sense). The only way a Ti user can see Fi or the absolute good is with psychedelic drugs, basically Acid, Shrooms, Dmt (DMT takes you to ego death, which means temporary death, psycologicaly speaking death of the cognitive funtions, spiritualiy speaking seeing all of them at the same time) etc which is the closest way to describe good vs evil in a "visible" format.
My Goodness, I was just called out on Facebook for being a 'wanna be' aristocracy . I remembered this lecture : I just kept thinking how does he know. Will really try and humble myself this year. He must have been an ESTP
Thank you for spilling the truth out. As I think over the things you say I can accurify them in my head and it makes me see the things I was blind to. And I can see how much you pour your heart into this by the effort and time you put into it, I respect you for it. My Fi Te appreciates you because you are dependable source for our sake so I appreciate that as well. Take care!! -infp
@New Kid I usually dont care about the source tbh only reason I ask for the source is to figure out how that "source" came to that conclusion by seeing that i can workout of their conclusion logically makes sense. Then decide if want to believe it or not. So sometimes asking for the source's source can help you do that because you go and exam the main source.
And in a 1948 speech to the British House of Commons, Winston Churchill said, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” No matter the origin, the sentiments are eternal.
I really resonate with what you're saying about truth telling at funerals. I love doing this at funerals and I personally always wear brightly coloured clothing so people take more notice of me. One time this did cause a fight between me and the widdow but sometimes that's the price you have to pay when you deliver the truth.
Thank you so much CS. I’m an ENFP and honestly…your talk makes me feel both vindicated and “special” 😂🤦♂️. There’s a deep and special love and awe I feel like when you talk about this Quadra, and it…it’s good. When you gave this talk, it seemed like you treated our Quadra as especially special. And I like it 😎. It’s very validating and inspiring and awe-inducing, and even feels me with gratitude. (I hate that I’m parroting some of the terms you used, but they do fit so well). Just as you seek to solve fatherlessness and somehow restore the soul of our society, I too feel a potential to do so via the ideas and stories and projects I wish/consider pursuing. These dreams…although important, seem so far away and so difficult as to be not worth chasing. However, you say that we are special and you say that we have extra responsibilities. Believing yourself to be special sounds grandiose. But hearing you describe this Quadra makes every single challenge, pain, and sacrifice. It makes the dreams that I and perhaps others feel no longer just dreams. But now suddenly obligations, and duties, and even redemptive journeys. And it makes the need to achieve those dreams more real too. Good work!
are there any statistics on mbti demographics in universities btw? it seems like it's mostly N-types (not estj/istj; a lot of intj/infjs too), which is interesting to think about. i kinda liked this - although it's a bit too emotional and overstated sometimes for me.... nonetheless, it's refreshing to hear 'bad' stuff about mbti types sometimes! i must say though, as an infp i find it quite amusing that i've been described as having 'great power'... one other thing i find is unhelpful with all this mbti typing sometimes is that we end up shifting real socio-economic and political problems onto 'types' - as if they were really our destinies.. it seems like all this energy can be used to solve these problems at the level of the problems themselves rather than interpreting them according to a grand template of fixed psychic forms...(i don't think even you really think that sexual trafficking is best dealt with by ranting at infps, for eg......)
It's scary, how devilish we can b. The real battle is with our inner self rather than other people. I realized that from my early teens and it sure did fuck me up.
I’ve seen all the quadras videos and there’s something I don’t understand: if Ti is the source of truth and the truth is powerful. Why is it that Te users are the ones who have all the power?
Ti user might not necessarily use or wield their power. im ISTP and i certainly dont wield that power nearly as much as i could or probably should. Fe inferior and negative Se dont really let me sometimes...
That’s what I keep getting confused about too. I’ve been looking in the comments for some kind of clarification but no one really explains it. The best I could come up with is that Fi is the gas in society, and Ti is the breaks. Like People with Fi Te have a vision and push forward to make it real for the world. And then Ti Fe optimizes it and tried to make it a fair and truly aligned thing. Too fast with the Progress and you end up with corruption, to much of the breaks means stagnation and subsequent death to those who do strive for greater. That’s my working theory rn at least.
I love this question. Truth burns the lies away and power just exists relative to an objective and a purpose. Power come and go, it is impermanent. It exists because it is fueled by something. Truth is just there. Always. It is up to us to see it.
Te users act, Ti users think. Te users are about consensus of action and getting things done, and are also necessarily stubborn logically due to Fi being in their stack.
I laughed at the start when you were describing how Gamma Quadra was offended by your previous video but then I watched this one and man do I feel called out. I’m an ISTJ so this was brutal to listen to, but I’m glad I did. Thank you for your candor Chase.
Haven't finished listening yet but once again, dead-on accurate. So sick of certain Philosopher types behaving in such a spoiled, entitled manner and expecting others to serve them and to obey their arbitrary rules. I've had the displeasure of working with far too many unhealthy ESTJs who literally make up their own rules (that they try to impose and enforce on everyone else; never themselves) and then change those rules according to their whims and moods. They often get into middle management positions (put there by other SJs, who reward them for showing up on time and for maintaining (outdated, oftentimes) protocol and then try to supervise others without actually LEADING by example. Often even coasting on the hard work of others and sometimes even taking credit for it. Annoying AF. I've known ISTJs who are absolutely convinced that everyone sees the world in the exact same way they do...and then label the rest of us as "bad SJs". Some of them try to force other people to learn (rote memorization) in the same way they prefer to learn. Worked with too many NFPs who view their job as unimportant bc they'd rather be doing something big and grand and meaningful...and yet are too lazy to go do it and so continue to coast along, happily letting others pull their weight; completely unaware that SOME of us actually take pride in any job we do. I've also known people of these types who have grown and learned and improved and are examples to others of their type . Yeah, that whole BS about kings being divine, the pope speaking to god (or whatever the fuck they claim) and the aristocracy/kings/princes whatever sleeping with other people's wives on their wedding night is so fucking stupid. I seriously hate abuse of power in any form, in any fashion, in any place, at any time. NICE lecture; you were really amusing here too haha thanks.
@Tommy Hass Yes
@Tommy Hass Yes
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@Tommy Hass I love my ISTP work partner
Poetry
All 4 quadras have been called hypocrites. I can rest in peace now
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Yes but how are we hypocrites 🤔
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These Quadra lectures are so useful and educational. I really appreciate you and the effort you put into these videos and this community.
My single dad who raised me by himself is an ISTJ and I think I want to tell people about what an ISTJ can be. My dad suffered in his life but he did not want that for me. He used arbitrary rules and sometimes white lies. He sometimes made up traditions. But they were made to give me shortcuts so I acted in a more mature manner then the deserved through my own experience. It worked. He built a system that made his children better. I know CS Jospeh went pretty hardcore against his type but I would like people to know that ISTJ can build up winning family traditions that can launch the next generations to do great things. That was his goal and that is what he got. This system that ISTJs can build can be used for good. I have lived it and I am grateful. -an intj
Very well said sir.
INTP here with an ISTJ husband. One of the best things that ever happened to me. Nothing but ISTJ love from me. ISTJ sense of humour is the best. That being said, the shoe fits amazingly - the good stuff and the bad stuff.
I was raised by a single ISTJ mum and I don't know what would have been of us had she not been there for us after our piece of shit ISFP dad ran away with other women and abandoned us. She worked hard and yeah, sometimes she was so hard on us but she has always been there for us, putting her feelings last (Fi at the bottom of the stack) to make sure she fulfilled her duty to us (Si hero). I love my mum and I have mad respect for her, and yeah just wanted to mention my experience in that there are amazing ISTJs out there (I'm an INFJ btw)
This is the sassiest, angriest, but also the funniest mbti description i've seen. I like😂
I'm an ENFP, thanks a lot for this insight, especially for the part about how we have to suffer through depression and find our own way out in order to grow, I relate to this but didnt know until now it's something especially sognificant for the delta quadra. Kind regards :)
Agree with that my depression taught me a lot. I wanted help so badly but I pulled myself out and I got character development and empathy from it
Any of fellow Deltas (especially NFPs) must read Emma by Jane Austen, or watch the movie (with Gwyneth Paltrow) or BBC miniseries. The main character, Emma Woodhouse, is the definition of a Philospher type, likely an ENFP, who is constantly trying to make matches through social engineering. She holds a great reputation, and no one sees through her except her ENFJ Templar friend, George Knightley, who sometimes lectures her. I won't spoil it, but in the end we can see how she gains humility and redeems her relationships with others, and it's a great example for us Philosophers of how "good intentions" can still result in bad actions. I don't think Jane Austen even knew about typology, but she knew about human nature, and got this one spot on! So please, Deltas, watch or read Emma.
I have a friend who does this to me, I am very greatful.. but he is an ENTJ, I think.
What do you mean by, "trying to make matches through social engineering?"
@@honor9lite1337 Ne knows others motivations of others very well. They will be very good in marketing, sales and being a con artist 😁
@@redefinedliving5974 I know right, I'm just need the meaning precisely of that sentence while he/she wrote that 👆
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Watching it, taking in the criticism, and having to admit that I have those negative tendencies and potentials inside of me was quite the self sacrifice itself. Truth burns. But to me, self knowledge is my philosophers stone. Awareness of my shadow keeps the devils inside tamed. Reading has been so key in this. And an ability to take criticism (like this video.) That takes humility. Humility, Gratitude, and Self sacrifice, I have found, are the “I Win” buttons that allow me to to truly contribute something meaningful to humanity.
That’s essentially what Jesus did. Humbled himself, took the sins of humanity on his shoulders (all of our negative tendencies and shortcomings), sacrificed himself for the salvation of humanity.
You’re right, it’s a holy act.
Thanks for the reflection man, you know your stuff. I see what you’re doing and I respect it.
“The strength of a person's spirit would then be measured by how much 'truth' he could tolerate”
-Friedrich Nietzsche
A few months ago I couldn't finish this lecture cuz I was so sensitive and getting offended haha (I'm an INFP) and I recently watched it finished and the entire time I was just nodding my head agreeing with EVERYTHING you're saying....It's crazy how much I've grown to understand that truth is truth and I should listen. (my INFJ sister found your stuff and introduced me - thank the heavens for templars to help us philosophers)
Wayfarers: Wow! That lecture was soooo triggering!
Philosophers: hold my serf-made beer
Getting triggered and discuss is not the same thing. Te people discuss, because we want to hear opinion of other people. If an opinion is said, Te challenges it. We also expect getting challenged on our opinions. Goal is to have the same opinion, and doing things the same way, just like goal of Fe is to have the same values.
Te-Fi: everybody has their own goals, needs, desires, but we agree on how to get them done.
Fe-Ti: everybody does, what they are told, but everybody is doing it their own way.
I'm an Infp, and I find this joke hilarious. I'm actually a little jealous I didn't come up with it. My serfs need to write me better material!
Durn Tortoise 😋 I need surfs because I get so into my art and writing and reading and music, I need surfs to keep the house clean, make the food and remind me when to eat 🌈😝🥳☮️
Hahaha!!! (INFP here)
@@jankom.7783 meh inaccurate lol
Philosophers : most studious and academically inclined
me,infp : failed A levels twice
Did you failed the mbti test as well?
@@D14MBK hahaha good one. but no. my Fi does not value grades. Te inferior is aspirational in non-school areas while still remaining academic focused.
@@moonshoestarkid ah fair enough
Thank you Chase for the massive ROAST, this video in particular has me understanding what enfp depravity really looks like, both for the individual and within wider society. Mind blown.
This lecture isn’t just educationally valuable, but entertaining as well. Love the FMA philosopher’s stone analogy.
Thank you so much for posting all your lectures here for free in UA-cam. I hope people recognize how important everything you’re saying is
“A credible person may not mean they know what they’re talking about” Yesss... I’m an INFP and this is one my biggest frustrations in the world. Especially here on UA-cam, it drives me crazy that there seems to be no original thought and the I can’t stand the mob mentality using credentials as the only standard to judge truth. That’s one of the reasons I just am not sure about some of what you’re saying here. It just doesn’t seem to be consistent to the core characteristics of xNFP types. Like you I don’t need credibility to determine truth. Truth can come from the mouth of babes, and corrupt philosophy can come from an expert with a PhD.
What do you find to be inconsistent?
You are building perception 😝🤣🤣
Well INFP here. Sis sometimes what we think we are and what we really are are completely different things the mob mentality of ISxJ can get to us coz they make about 40% of the population but their ideas are just retarded. You wouldn't think about it but that's how our dark side when we make bad decisions looks like. INFPs can be corrupted. Even tho we make this philosofical system sometimes it may lack something. If we are young our system will lack something for sure we are not the smartest people in the world. Mb we are the smartest in our neighborhood that's why we think we are superior but sometimes we are really not and unless we experience enough terrific bad shit and be a bit more humble we will not see our own wrong doing. And also if we don't see it by our self and people will try to force it to our throat we will resist so ... yea... xD Fun being an INFP when each day you think if you didnt fucked up something ehh .
@@TheBittenBullet she didn't do anything that bad yet so she can't see she i capable of that
I know infps who think they are beyond the herd mentality and so proud of it but they are still actually within it. You are Te users you have to work really hard to get out of that lol
No one:
Cs joseph:You haven't watched that anime?? What are you doing with your life??
Stj:😑😐😑
Which anime did he mention? Gotta know
Psycho pass is a gem. Really love your anime references. Would love it if you could type some anime characters as well🤩 starting with psycho pass, may b?
That story about your INFJ friend got me. My brother is an INFJ and I know how tortured they can be. I also lost a friend this last year. My ENTP friend and her ENTJ fiancée were killed. It truly sucks to bury your friends. Anyway, condolences and RIP to your friend
As an anime fan, your anime analogies made so so so much sense to me😂 gonna rewatch FMA with your framework again! I hope I can find my philosophers stone as well! Thank you for another amazing video!
Learning Edward Elric is an ISTJ broke me. I see it now but damn. A philosopher trying to find the philosopher's stone. UGH! It fits!
Holy shit I've seen Fulmetal Alchemist and that analogy BLEW MY MIND
INFP here: That was terrifying! I kept thinking “bad, that is so bad!”
Me too, all the way through, I am thinking, I don't want to be like that but he is right, I am like that, damn it.
I really don’t see xNFPs being behind Kings and divine right. I could see xSTJs condoning aristocracy, but not xNFPs. If anything xNFPs especially INFPs are usually the ones to be interested in taking down arbitrary power. If anything I think INFPs can err on the side of being too rebellious and not respecting arbitrary authority like ENFPs and ENTPs are often known for.
they have the same cognitive functions thus capable of the same things.
@@CSJoseph when they're in each others shadows they are, yes. But there are dominant functions which, as the name says, dominate. So, we cannot categorically 'rule out' INFPs behaving in this way, however, it will often be under times of stress, trying not being who they really are or not being 'awake' yet to the worse sides of their nature. I've met many lovely ESTJ's, however, they have functions which dominate. It cannot be as simplistic as 'they have the same functions and are therefore the same'. This diminishes the analysis
But xNFPs are very much into social-justice type movements and those can get really out of hand, very self-righteous and emotion-fueled. The movement and everything it stands for becomes more important to them than the people they are supposedly fighting for. Let’s take the LGBTQ movement as an example, I personally know gay people who are happy in closet, they have their lives figured out the way they want it, but tell that to xNFPs and they’d never be able to conceive the very idea of it, simply because they are so loyal to the movement that the movement is their truth, they’d even out a gay person who is not comfortable being outed, and hideously shame that person for not wanting to come out.
@@fatoumfatoumeh I think you may be speaking about a singular example here sir. You cannot assume that INFPs would out gay people against their will. This is naive and lazy thinking
Mike King it does happen though. Also I did not accuse INFP of it, I’m saying xNFPs are not at all immune to fanaticism and transgressions against people who don’t hold the same views as they do. There are extremists within every movement/group, far right, far left, anything in between, all religious groups, all social groups, even celebrity fan clubs etc. The more ardent followers are going to be blinded by whatever set of ‘principles’ that group upholds (could get serious enough that innocent human lives get sacrificed, or could be as minor as shaming and bullying those who don’t share the same view), because they believe they are doing the ‘right’ thing. Also, I’m not a ‘sir’.
I do notice my own propensity of being more brash and harsh on philosopher types, mainly calling them out on their aubitruary authoritative views. After having a INFP mother & little brother, I’ve gotten familiar with their tendency to human sacrafice, and as a result, whenever I see those tendencies appear, I call them out publically ASAP automatically. I do have to admit my Se parent finds sadistic pleasure in watching their reaction when it happens.
But I do find that the more cognitively mature they are, the more grateful they become when I do it. It’s almost like the have a sigh of relief because they finally found someone who will cut through the BS and hold them accountable by telling them the harsh truth. They really become amazingly brilliant students that take simple things I teach them and achieve incredible things as a result and even help me to learn to open my own mind and to achieve more. That is what I love and respect from them.
When it comes to achievements, I like for my philosopher type to achieve, but not for the sake of self aggrandizement, status, & rep. Because as a guy wholes highly compatible with this quadra (ISTP), I don’t really care about your personal achievements if they are hollow. I only care about them if you are achieving through benefiting others. Because If I see you sacrificing yourself for the sake of others, I’ll be inspired to help give you back the pieces of yourself that you lost. I will fight for you, only if you show that strength of character & responsibility. And you don’t do that will shollow bragging & flexing your authoritative might.
The bottom line is: there is nothing more beautiful than a genuinely grateful philosopher type...it’s just takes a little effort to find one. But that’s just my opinion based of off my experiences with them, but you know...I’m baised on this one.
Good lecture CS Joseph, you hit the nail on the head with this one.
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I could never tolerate another person’s rules. I’m an INFJ. Love the way you explain this stuff. I’ve known a few selfish tyrannical philosophers, I HATE hypocrisy.
1:10:45 is a very metaphoric moment, as it encapsulates Chase's way of trying to better a person, the quickest shift of tone ever when Ne hero realizes that the praise - criticism scale is imbalanced. Priceless.
Lol I love it sooooo much! Chase speaks the truth haha
Nice, you time stamped the part I was trying to go back and find. Thanks.
@@durntortoise8445 ikr, I laughed out loud how mercilessly he reality checked this abstract future projection of his son, it was like the most perfect ENTP thing ever
Thank you. Truely, you are helping burn out my impurities (selfishness, entitlement, and depravity to name a few). The more I listen to your insights the more I become aware of the intention behind my choices. You’ve reminded me to seek the narrow path and to stop being distracted by the bright lights (novelty, attention, perceived status etc). When your words hurt I am forced to reflect on how those uncomfortable truths can help me grow. Thank you again for the Great reminder to seek truth and to gain merit through self sacrificing effort. I’m going to go read a bunch of books!!!!
Sincerely a humbled ENFP
ENFP here... Watching this video feels like some weird kind of secular self-flagellation
Oh also- you forgot to mention how this Quadra can sometimes wear masks and how we can allow ourselves to develop Stockholm syndrome sometimes and you were going to compare/contrast it to the entp’s mask and their tendency towards Stockholm syndrome in their way. Any chance you can make a separate video on masks?? 🙏
sure
Can u elaborate on the masks? I've never heard abt them for this quandra.
Thank you Chase! This has been a very humbling episode! You’re encouragement, criticism and words of wisdom are a blessing. They help me know I can follow my path forward with confidence and humility. It’s tough seeing your ability to bend the wills around you as a child knowing in your heart you did wrong and knowing your selfishness caused so much pain but it’s beautiful to see the pain from a young age because though selfish the heart of the delta longs for nothing higher then to believe and know they did the right and true things.
As an ENFP, I do experience life as arbitrary and subjective. However, I have come to accept and understand that this has the potential to hurt others. The people who have taught me this the most are my INTP partner and my ENTP son. They have really shown me the beauty of the Fe/Ti axis. I used to just not understand the value and purpose of this axis and not pay attention to it or take it seriously. (Before I studied the functions of had names for these things).
I have been studying formal logic to hone my Ti and not just make Fi decisions. Practicing Fe feels like opening my heart in a new way. It does make me feel less self-focused. It’s a hard one for me to get sometimes but I try to ask myself what would my INTP or ENTP do?
I think they- and yourself as an ENTP, are good teachers for me because we all share Ne- it’s like you guys are teaching me in my own language, which helps me.
This is amazing, fascinating, full of insight and hard truth!! Thank you so much!
I'm an ENFP I agree with you about the philosopher's stone I only understand it because I almost completely lost my sight for almost two years for no reason and got it back for no reason as well so whenever I see I'm very grateful
I (INFP) hated revisionaist history because at an early age I adopted the idea that history repeats itself and when you change and alter history that I can't predict future. It took me a couple more years to realise I was doing it, on a smaller scale, with my lies and minuplation.
Wow, this explains my relationship with my dad perfectly. I’m INTP, he is ISTJ. He used to give me all these explanations, I could never understand why his words and actions were different, I’d point it out, and he would get so angry.
I used to get punished so heavily, eventually I got incredibly apathetic about life. I think it affected him finally because I refused to do anything, and that made him look bad. I got fat, ugly, unsuccessful, denounced Christianity (he converted to Christianity as a child, and because of him, I realized God was not real) etc. I even told him, that because of him, I would never marry. And since I always keep my word when it comes to being inactive, ...
He’s finally starting to change. He stopped demanding I live his lie. He’s starting to accept more information as much as he hates it.
But I had to change first. I decided to live my truth, to judge myself rather than judge my dad for his life (I am applying Se to challenge his Si, and I think it’s working, slowly, and I don’t really understand Se). I decided to think about my dreams, and that indeed, his rules didn’t rule my life. And then I think he realized it because his rules are miserable and made everyone miserable.
Now he’s changing. He’s becoming more understanding, his actions are finally starting a little bit more, to coincide with his words. 😊
Sometimes words and actions don't match up because we are humans. Its possible his words were warnings to avoid going down a road he went down. That is not hypocrisy but passing of wisdom.
If an alcoholic commands his children never to pick up a drink, there may be a reason for it that the child does not understand.
Hypocrisy isn't giving advice that you don't follow or can't follow but should follow.
I take all warnings seriously. I found its easier to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble. And that I can't make all the mistakes of the world so its best to learn from those who did.
And your father's actions do not prove God does not exist. Statement is illogical. Does that mean someone's whose father was honorable proves that God exists?
Sounds like my mom and I.
@@obcane3072 NTPs see consistency to own rules as authentic. Delta quadra see consistency to one's own feelings in any moment as authentic
I'm an infp, and I've never judged you negatively. I actually enjoy listening to your lectures, I probably need to retake the test cause maybe I'm not an infp
never not verify
Lol same, I got INTJ in his test but someone said I am ud INFP. I don’t mind chase criticism, Instead I welcome it TBH
A very long way to tell me to be freaking grateful for what I have but effective anyway. I'm just going through a dark time after being rejected by a girl and after listening to you, instead of being pissed that she hasn't follow the rules I set up for us I'm just grateful for the year and a half we were so close and all the experience we have together. I don't think everything you say about Philosophers or ENFPs in your other videos apply to me but it's definitely more than I originally admitted.
What especially helped me was you telling me that I need to be constantly reminded of the Fe critic. I hust many people not intentionally but just by mere carelessness and lack of attention.
Man I love Se demon, they have the guts to do things that I as an INFJ want to do but physically can’t because Se inferior always holds me back in that regard.
I think the title of the series should be renamed "The Worst of the Quadras: x Quadra" instead of "Who are the x quadra"
ADJL1331 I dunno. Every Templar does what Chase talks about. It’s true.
He does a good job of presenting positives and negatives. Don’t be salty because he called you selfish
@@Ti_Fire He doesn't really. It's about 90% sarcastic criticism. (not just in this video)
I'll Be Frank : your name is hilarious 😝
@@fintanwatson2791 I don't see it as criticism. I see it as him trying to appeal to us through aligning with our values. However, it comes off as quite inauthentic/sarcastic.
I like the blood sacrifice philosopher's stone metaphor. It brings the point nicely.
Yes
DUDE IF I DON'T GET AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AS YOU, MY LIFE IS POINTLESS!
So long as your point is not lifeless, you life will not be pointless.
@@Hawkido woaahhh i like that
I will probably have to work with this quote
I don't think that she was meaning it literally.
@@nicodiangelo3308 Sometimes the last cry for help is the quietest.
@@nicodiangelo3308 i did😐
Hello, Mr Joseph
I have been watching your videos and trying to pinpoint where I exactly need to improve. Long way to improve myself but I realized that because of you I have become somewhat less selfish and instead of trying to criticise my ESFJ Grandma, I am trying my best to keep my ego aside and learn from her. (Also I have again started reading a lot of books.)
Also, my brother intp as you mentioned due to continuous criticism and conflicts at home (as he always states facts whenever my estj mother is trying to manipulate information)was turning apathetic due to this reason. Therefore, I am just trying my level best to appreciate him and bring back his once alive normal self back.
You know what, things have been pretty great and it's all because of you.
I want to thank you so greatly.
(Sorry for such a long comment but I thought it was so necessary to let you know that you are changing many people's lives.
I wish I could put it more suitably but thank you again sir)
- By a grateful infp :)
You are right! I’m an ENFP and I read a lot now as I’ve matured. I try to help my friend & family members by teaching them about the law of attraction, affirmations and reprogramming their subconscious minds. I also try to help them deal with their marital issues by typing the spouses especially when there is a lot of conflict in the sensor & Intuitive relationships help them understand the differences between sensors and intuitives, their enneagram type, personality type & attachment types. By doing this I feel like I give back to people and make a significant impact in bettering their lives. This in turn making me feel better about myself. So I use all these different philosophies to make my own philosophy of combining all of these for the betterment of mankind 🙏🏻.
What you said is mind blowing and so accurate! Immature philosopher types are definitely toxic, entitled & selfish and will throw you under the bus to save themselves! 💯
Thank you chase. It's very helpful. I see my selfishness and how i'm not grateful for some opportunities that others gave it to me and i'm not earned them.
I need to show gratitude and studied more to earn merits.
I also think the Fi gut reactions people have, towards something where someone is having total right to express and be sincere about, makes it less easy to move forward with the value and truth you are driving towards as Ti user. This is just general "you" I am refering to, it can be anybody.
What there is to take back when an Fi type is having a gut reaction, is a respectful distance until emotions are processed and two people can get back to equal and comfortable discussion between each other. It is totally possible for every Fi user to take back some of their reaction and be 'you know what, you might be right' and actually feel comfortable with that. Truth wasn't so hurtful after all! This teaches Ti types some humility too, from Fe mirroring effect. The Fe mirrors the humility from what Fi is showing. It can be really frustrating to be tip toeing around Fi / Te when your intention is to just drive to universal truths about things and patterns
Stop waffling
I think I am an ENFP and I couldn't see myself committing all these atrocities you speak of because doing the right thing and ensuring humanity is safe is very important to me as well as having a good moral compass and those things you spoke of are very inhumane.
xNFPs probably won’t do it, but and xSTJ just might. I am one and I’ve met them?
Not an attack on you or a type-related response, but it’s most often those who think they’re incapable of inhumane things that do the most inhumane things. We almost justify it by our reluctance of having had to go there, like “I would never do this so this must warrant it”. The monster is us.
@@afnanbogey Those that do shadow work know the atrocity they're capable of
Finally !
Been wanting to hear this lecture since last year ,lol. Learning so much from your channel , Thanks bruh 🙏
A few comments to other deltas (a few of these Chase graciously read at the Q&A session after this live lecture):
1. Try to see how you relate to Chase's negative examples in kind and not degree. Sure, you may not have literally sacrificed other people's lives for your benefit, but how much do you refuse to make sacrifices because you know someone else will come along and make a sacrifice for you? For example, this could be as little as saying you didn't have time to do the dishes when you know your spouse will do them if you don't.
2. For deltas who are interested in getting started on reading non-fiction, I whole-heartedly recommend first reading Mortimer J. Adler's "How To Read A Book." The book teaches effective steps in how to approach reading in an objective manner, including fiction. Also by M.J. Adler is a series of 102 essays called "The Great Ideas," which are an introduction to the timeless ideas of western history. (These essays were introductions to a greater philosophical compilation of his called the Syntopicon). Could be a good foundation for philosophical thought.
Come on, Deltas. So many of us grow up to become scholars of entertainment instead of scholars for the betterment of human knowledge, philosophy, and humanity. There's a time for entertainment, but let's not waste our greatest gift of our temperament on the trivial.
Thank you for this @Moody McSorley
oh god I refuse to make those sacrifices a lot. way too much. thanks for that insight
Hi Chase. As an ENFP, I'm grateful for this teaching and the way you show the application of personality at such a deep and broad level, and with passion! I do find what you say to be true in my experience so I'll take the advice ( I am old (35) so I have improved myself out of a lot of the depravity you mentioned). I've definitely been seeking that "I win" button, and recently it's been building a personal philosophy on how to "get the most out of my life" based on what I can perceive Ne, what I know Si, how I can optimise and organise Te, and fitting my values Fi. I'm hoping that will be "the thing" that overcomes my feeling of lost opportunity/potential/failure. I will share it with others, but it may need to be tweaked based on personality types. :) One of my many projects though, so I don't know when. If someone wants to steal the idea, go ahead. It won't be exactly like mine. :)
I did get an impression though, lacking in data as it may be, that you like your son more than your daughter? I remember you said on another video that we are responsible to give other types what they need and not "damage them" because they were not a good fit for our family. I hope you are making your daughter feel wanted and special, and what you said in the "8 rules to love ENFP" video, so that she is motivated to be her best for you and for the world...and not have to struggle as I did. Actually, I would love it if you could do parenting videos for each type.
Sorry for my German post, I managed to translate and paste the German one. Im Working on it, no worry.
You are even such a genius and what you say is absolutely right. I talked to one of my two best friends (both INFP) and through this knowledge of yours I was able to heal his "spiritual depression" (that's what I call it myself). He himself believed that everything is relative. Through your Trickster contribution post we could absolutely helped him. Thank you. Now he starts to watch really all your videos, not only the own type. This philosopher video and your Trickster post made it.
I now even know the personality type of my grandma (ISFJ), both of my sisters (ENFP, ISFJ) and my circle of friends (INFP, INFP, ENFP, INTJ, ISFP) and I have been able to help each of them.
One day I'll really give this back to you, I promise. Soon I will try to join the mansgroup too.
I even understood through my own Path, that i have to Actualize myself and then my surrounding people.
I learned something new today and I’m 43 so I say thank you
I've always wondered this. Why does STJ/NFP quadra end up being the most corrupt? Shouldn't they be more resistant to corruption? I've observed philosopher types most easily fall from grace when I believed in them doing the good thing. Is it because they are the most likely type to buy their own BS because they are just too lazy to confront themselves?
gratitude
Hybe If you see yourself as “special” (aristocrat elitism), you see yourself as inherently entitled to “draw from” others (Vampire mentality, and movie vampires usually look aristocratic). In this mindset, you are “separate from”, due to superiority, rather than just one human in an interconnected web. Recognizing where you are lacking (and thus where you need others) may lead to humility; humility isn’t subjugation but, rather, seeing your “true” place in the universe. With enough humility, you can feel gratitude for the riches that others bring; interactions are no longer a competition to seize/maintain elite status, but a reciprocal exchange that benefits all. No permanent hierarchy of power, just “in the moment” leadership by whoever “has the goods” needed for a given situation (Leadership by current merit). A King Arthur round table - applied to social interactions, minus the word “king”.
1:41:10 "delta quadra, especially ENFP, are shown the most mercy". How come?
This lecture is more relevant now than ever
I am infp , and I am very stupid person but people think that i am very intelligent because I use lot of metaphors while talking and my affiliative nature made them think that I am very good person. But frankly speaking, I am neither intelligent nor good person but I am just selfish person. But first time in my life, I realized that some one can spot it. I completely feel exposed
Informative bomb inbound, read it if you wish I guess if you want some thoughts from an INFP. This video triggered some serious introspection. There were several times when I wanted to make a comment defending myself but I just kept watching. Being completely honest, my affiliative side was a bit annoyed but because I haven't actually participated in the worst of the activities mentioned I was able to power through. Yet I can't deny creating and then contorting arbitrary rules on a small scale and a bit of a belief in a superiority problem, even as hidden as it is when compared to the extroverted members of the quadra. I believe I have been searching for my philosophers stone through typology. I have been trying to find my type, and through that knowledge I had hoped I could just follow what that type should do to quiet my Ni critic and satisfy my Si child and be happy forever with one easy realization. Now I realize I have known my type to be INFP for a long time, but because I don't want to make personal sacrifices I have been holding on to the idea that I can find the easy solution to my life just through declaring myself a certain type. An important realization that should help me from here.
I had this idea some time ago to illustrate the relation between NFJ and NFP importance, specifically the introverted versions, as they are often seen as the least useful from the broad xSxJ perspective (INxxs in general, but INFxs more than INTxs because they aren't quite so intellectually powerful, at least not right away in life). In Game of Thrones, we see the two main characters, Jon Snow (INFP mentioned in one of your streams that has been removed) and Daenerys (INFJ actually typed during the stream I am remembering that has since been removed), actually save the realm. Regardless of the shows execution, the story is a good example of what these two types do. Jon Snow is like the ultimate ideal INFP for the sake of narrative while Dany is a strong INFJ but still has her types trickster weakness. Jon Snow goes to the edge of the world to the wall like an actualized INFP should, and uses his Ne parent fueled by his other functions to determine the White Walker threat that nobody else could see in the SJ and SP dominated Nights Watch. While trying to stop it, he makes the ultimate sacrifice of his life, and his philosophers stone is kind of his resurrection and crowing as King in the North. With his newfound status and power, he continues serving by sacrificing his title (only an actualized and integrated Delta would do this) to Dany, who with her Ni hero was able to actually do the seemingly impossible and unite many disparate factions together. Jon hands her the full picture and knowledge of what must be done, and she in turn does what he cannot and leads their armies to an eventual victory. The INFP can see the problem in the world that nobody else can, and the INFJ once they are taught can solve the problem that seemed impossible to overcome.
Very well said sir.
Why can’t the INFP solve the problem that seemed impossible to overcome? Even if you master yourself is it not possible?
Yes I wonder too why INFP don't dk the work themselves if they know what should be done. I'm an INFP and I'm always guilty of this.
@@TeddyChed Because they don't have high Fe and have low Te. They can't speak as eloquently so no one listens to them. Isfps also have the same problem.
@@SS-bu8ez I’m following and you are correct. My only rebuttal is that I have been forced to develop my Te with work and use it effectively but it is extremely draining.
So I would argue that an INFP can solve problems but will never do it as effectively or efficiently as types with Te/Fe in their top two functions.
What are your opinions on the "Enneagram" personality test? Do you think it is better than the slandered MBTI tests?
One of my greatest wishes is that you don't get written off like Jung and that your work becomes mainstream enough to make a larger impact on society. Let's go Chase, you got this
Everyone deserves to be criticized. Criticism is a blessing, not a curse.
Free compliment: you are looking very healthy!
Another comment 😅 my moms a philosopher and my dads a wayfarer and you're so right, there's a terrible lack of communication in our family that comes down to passive aggressive jabs, its funny that you called them two peas in a pod because my infp mom just loves taking advantage of my dads need to be the provider, they seem to have terrible compatibility despite that dynamic seeming like it would be fulfilling roles for them. She doesn't work and if she has to do anything for the family she'll complain for the entire week, while seeing no problem having my dad have to work very hard to pay for anything she needs. I'm an infp too but I've learned a lot about who not to be from her example and my estp boyfriend would never let me get away with being so entitled.
Turns out my boyfriend is an istp 😅but the point still stands!
Lol my infp gets soooi angry when I don’t buy her food when we go out. She expects me to pay. We had two huge arguments about it Abd so now little by little she buys things for me only three times in 7 months of dating.
Also is it normal that she only wants to see me once a week or once every two weeks?
She gets mad at a lot these days. - ENTP here
Ugh so true with the terrible communication between wayfarers and philosophers... A guy I was attracted to happened to an ENFP. My 3 best friends of 10 years happened to be INFPs which I started co-living with two of them one after another. And this relationship (in a sense of co-living) is sooo incompatable. 😒
INFP, and just started watching Fullmetal Alchemist the other day. Is this a sign?
But seriously, good points about aristocracy. I've noticed that tendency as well. And Occam's razor, which can be a particularly tempting mind trap.
As an INTP or ISFJ (I’m still trying to figure out which type I am of the Alpha Quadra) having relatives/parents that belong to this quadra just makes me feel limited to my true identity. The word that I really am waiting to hear in this lecture is “gaslight” cause they do that to me. I so want to call them out (I do in my imagination and when I am alone). That’s why I so want to acheive independence and be with “my tribe.” They sabotage my plans by always staying safe and thinking what other people will think. They even kind of sold me out to the girl I liked so the girl got so arrogant and humbug thinks I am so dead for her. I am from an Asian family and I suppose I am not alone in this kind of situation. Thank you Chase.
I totally agree about the truth. Every bit of what you said. This is, truly, honoring the contradictory nature of what it is to be human.
I also like this episode. It feels like I'm hearing a drama story about these people 😂 It's intetesting especially you mention Full Alchemist, I haven't finished watching it since I was a kid, well now, I'm glad I know the ending hehe. Thanks for this episode! Take care.
This reminds me of the story of Donnie Darko, after learning the truth about the people of his community and burning the lies away, he went back in time and sacrificed himself to protect the people he loved.
"enjoy your stay in the dumpster" . lmfao
I think part of the reason why we ENTPs have a habit of criticizing philosophers is because we are the most biased against affiliatives of all the types. And this quadra is by far the most affiliative.
Not only are we very pragmatist ourselves, but almost all of our compatible types are also pragmatic.
well said
aren’t istjs and estjs pragmatic?
No they are affliative but af. Especially, ISTJs.
intjs too
Anecdote 1:10:04 I literally remembered me leaving for another school which had the reputation of being easier and therefor - in my childmind = of lower status. Back in the days I literally believed that the people going to `lower status schools` were of less value. And I used to tell my mom that the blood circulating through their veins wasn`t as valuable as the blood of those going to a higher-status school. It is a really sad story cause it caused me a lot of depression when I wasn´t even 13 years old. But in fact I remember listening to the teachers praise of people going to University and the verbal cues that downgrade those, that ONLY visit schools of lower status. It was really bad... Later when I gained more knowledge about the school system in. Germany I was able to put theese cues into. a. better perspective. Yes, we are victim to our perceptions... ENFP
This was needed... i grew up in a family where almost all the men are delta quadra. As an ENTJ, this really effected my Fi inferior to the point where i felt as though i couldnt achieve true happiness because i always believed i needed to follow the "right" path or get subjected to being a failure. None of them even knew that telling a 10 year old about the "history" of the world and how they were sooooo successful, would make a 10 year old doubt himself and his image so much... talk about Ni parent and Ne critic always battling
Gosh, you're right. I'm an entj with the exact same memories. What is worse though is that they (generally speaking) don't respect their own rules. You're not alone bro.
@@nicodiangelo3308 right... and the Te is literally always trying to out achieve each other. "I was hall of fame, in college basketball..." "i was the starting linebacker at A&M" "You were in the band? I guess..." "i watched that first inning of baseball that one time... you were trash." Just toxic
@@dairdb Yeah, until they need our se-child and they're something like I dunno how to assemble the furniture Edit:(true enfp reference here😏) . And of course we help them🙄 because se-child. And after 5 minutes they are back again with their,, rules,, and ask you when did you ever help them and of course that we have Si-trickster and don't remember anything (k, this was an exageration) and we end up feeling like a bad person fi-inferior. But let's face it we have our own flaws. 😕
facts don’t make excuses fix the problems ! I love it don’t apologize it make them face the facts !
Chase is funny because his online replies are so professional but the way he talks on video is so raw.
1:07:50 "The law of attraction is an occultic teaching". What makes it an occultic teaching? I don't have any opinion on that, I'm just curious to hear what your reasoning is
Ok I’m an INFP, and I usually am someone who goes against the majority with what everyone says(great example is all the other “typologists” youtubers who are smearing your name all over the internet) They have not given any solid proof that you are a liar, deceiver, but they have quite a following of people believing what they are saying and as convincing as they sound, I am not convinced because they aren’t SIGHTING THEIR SOURCES. (I am also an older INFP who has lived and learned through the years. I was a lot more naive when I was younger though.)
INFP’s get very loyal to ideas, I’m an INFP and am very loyal to cs Joseph’s theory literally because I originally learnt all this stuff from him, if I originally learnt all this stuff from someone who hates on cs joseph I’d be loyal to their ideas instead, this is just how we work.
@@elby6980 I think that is a tendency of immature INFPs.
Skarical Core nope, all INFP’s get extremely stubborn in defending ideas they are loyal to, this is due to Ti Demon and Si child. Because our Ti is so low we don’t verify possible truths, this means that we will stick to believing the theory we are most loyal to or the idea that has the most numbers behind it instead of believing the idea that is the most logical according to our own Ti framework.
It Is very hard for anyone else to change our minds once we are loyal to a possible truth
Well said Lianne.
@@elby6980 I think it is a tendency of immature INFPs due to the fact that just because you have low Ti doesn't mean you will forever be loyal to false ideas. It just means you are more susceptible to external information. It doesn't mean you can't improve in this area. Even Chase says that INFPs can potentially overcome this by reading a lot.
Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to read the ender's game series yet, however, as Chase was talking about the Speaker of the Dead my mind immediately went to one of my favorite shows, the anime Death Parade. It's very similar in meaning from an abstract conceptual point of view and, from what I can tell, it contains very similar narratives and thematic topics involving fair judgment and unhindered perception of peoples' lives to determine their true quality of character. I highly recommend this show if you want more raw truth and justice art.
So as an INTP, when I get "FORCED" (by my boss) into action I transition from Deductive reasoning into Inductive reasoning (and also from Ne to Ni) so I can leap into the unknown, because otherwise I would stay where I am comfortable. PS my Boss hates inductive reasoning, but he also hates my "Lack of Progress", and forces me into action, but then complains that I am just making guesses, as he cannot follow my leaps as he is an ISTJ, and intuition isn't a strength for him. The Ti to Te transition is exciting and scary for an INTP... exciting if you think you have all the facts and can move with assuredness. Terrifying if you are pushed into leaping into the unknown and have to quickly find the facts to cling to so you can re-build factual reality around you in an unfamiliar space. The many times I have had to do this in my career, have been my greatest successes, Te Ni are a POWERFUL COMBO, but if you live there without at least visiting Ti Ne, I can see how you would "Die by Assumption".
well said sir
In my opinion the INTx types have selective memory. We probably understand how you got your decision but there is a lack of clarity as to the why with these types. I know my flaws are there and their probably a burden to others so when people notice them, I attempt to minimize the inconvenience it may cause as much as possible.
When people acknowledge my limitations, it does baffle me but if they give me a series of specific examples as opposed to just a generalized statement it gives me room to learn.
When you confront the immature INTx type, they project, they warp words, manipulate, and retaliate.
-Female ISTJ type who’s learning
(Infp) I know I should be concerned about the icy truth sword that has left me and my entire quadra in a writhing puddle of our own hypocrisies...but C.S. Joseph advocating for great anime fills me with joy. Seriously though, Affiliative sacrifice should be just that, "Affiliative." Let's be better and accountable. Thanks, Chase.
How I know I'm not a Delta Quadra
1: I was immediately uncomfortable. I just wanted chill and watch a video.
2. After the feelings of uncomfort, I went from uncomfortable to angry in compliance with what you said about the Delta Quadra.
3. So, based on my pragmatism, this would mean that I could either be an ILI, or an LII or ILE in the alpha quadrant.
As an INFP watching this, it really hit home. Because I was a brat as a kid thinking that I was better than others and deserved to be popular when I wasn’t and never was. Afterwards I got bullied by someone who was jealous of me and sexually abused by my stepfather (who I believe was an ISTJ) at the same time. It doesn’t help that last year that I learned that my father was a pimp (who I believe is an ESTJ) when he was younger. My father would use the success of all of my siblings and take all the credit by saying that he was the one who got them there. When he didn’t. He also abused my mom when they were together and cheated on her. So, when I was watching this realizing that society is like this because of philosophers like me…it was kind of hard to digest at first. Especially when my Si child just keeps bringing up times when I’ve seen it and / or experienced it happening and it just felt so uncomfortable. I know that I’ve matured a lot since then and I know that I am not entitled to anything (barely believe that I deserve living sometimes), but I know that I’m here for others…just not exactly sure how yet as a college student.
Sorry for the TMI but I just really wanted to say that you’re right and that people need to grow up and change since the world is a complete disaster.
its not TMI
Even though it isn't the wayfarer lecture. I'd like to thank you for it. Yes, I'm on quarter way in this video, and I'd like to do it. You have the most accurate discription of INTJs in my opinion. And I've learnt a lot from you. Especially when I could've never met you, being from India. Thank you for your knowledge and analysis and keep ing it free, for people like us. Please a request for the next season, how do we go beyond our way of thinking, mostly we're blocked by the way we think/perceive. And in my quest of being better each day, please help.
I love this one because I feel like it's all the things I love to call out and I wish I had a platform so people couldn't run away from hearing it lol
This is why I had to change my major in college. Psychology was so washed with trash. Instead of studying facts we were catering to agendas and opinions
Mind blowing!!!
When I started reading philosophy I couldn't understand why Monarchs were so closed minded to kill people like Socrates that were actually seeking justice, sometimes I even raged to what I was reading. How could monarchs choose power and money over a human being? Why there wasn't someone to teach them Mercy?
Now I get it, my mind does not see the world as a Te user, it's the most suppressed area of my mind and while reading I realized it
Thanks Chase for letting me see my own hypocrisy and flaws. I feel so free to know something that would have taken me years to understand.
Keep doing such a great Job!! Can't wait to read all books you've recommended.
Okay, now seriously how do I verify shit as an INFP?
I NEED TO DO IT ON MY OWN!
PLEASE DUDE I SERIOUSLY NEED HELP WITH THAT!
I know chase will say find Ti users. 😁
@@zahrazar9974 WHY CAN'T I DO OT ON MY OWN?!!!!!!!!😂
Go to the Library.
@@CSJoseph Oh how didn't that come to mind although i live in Alexandria?!
@@CSJoseph thank youu
I literally need to take a moment to thank u for all the enlightenment you cause me to get
Thank you dude
17:26 you just brought the argument why a database of all tears is useless. It is in our blood to wish and sometimes what we wish is in conflict with what others wish. Pain is inevitable and I'm not the first to claim that.
And I will not be the first to claim that you are correct.
So if Ti is oh my god absolute truth, what is the inherent value of Fi? I don’t think anyone has a real answer
one.potato morality
moderated obsession But is there an absolute good? It seems easier to know the inherent value of Ti because truth is easier to define. Morality hasn’t been
There is an absolute good.
He's right. As an INFP who practices spiritual beliefs (meditation, Buddhist, & used to do Wicca), figured out why we are inclined to such things & why it works naturally for us because I feel like it describes Fi because it's the most natural way of living as an INFP in its purest form, basicaly living with Fi mostly. Fi is the flow of law of attraction & is the engine to "crafting" or manifesting. Ne is to discover what you want to attract & to see what exactly it is your doing/believing (observing your Fi) & Si is to ground it to "set affirmations" to the universe/Yourself (rule for all spirituality: you are the universe, the universe is you). That's what these practices have in common & that good energy (Fi in it's purest form) & Fi is painting you a picture using Ne what is Fi (Devine or Wretched) if that makes any sense. Ti & Fi can be in a scale or on parallels but both come to similar conclusions. For example let's say science (Quantamechanics) & spirituality (Ego death). They both have a conclusion that we are made out of the same things, electrons = energy so we're all made out of the same shit. They both have a clear vision of other dimensions but the approach is different which makes Fi in a way a truth but on the scale of good & bad vs truth or false. I'm going into theory rn with that but I know some people really think Fi is so useless when it can be just something else if that makes any damn sense lol I think Ti can be proven by Ti in a Te way or in a written grounded way & Fi can be proven by Fe basically not visibly proven but Fe shown (I realized that kind of didn't make sense). The only way a Ti user can see Fi or the absolute good is with psychedelic drugs, basically Acid, Shrooms, Dmt (DMT takes you to ego death, which means temporary death, psycologicaly speaking death of the cognitive funtions, spiritualiy speaking seeing all of them at the same time) etc which is the closest way to describe good vs evil in a "visible" format.
My Goodness, I was just called out on Facebook for being a 'wanna be' aristocracy . I remembered this lecture : I just kept thinking how does he know. Will really try and humble myself this year. He must have been an ESTP
Man, I need season 18 for research purposes. Super hyped!
Thank you for spilling the truth out.
As I think over the things you say I can accurify them in my head and it makes me see the things I was blind to. And I can see how much you pour your heart into this by the effort and time you put into it, I respect you for it. My Fi Te appreciates you because you are dependable source for our sake so I appreciate that as well.
Take care!! -infp
I am an ISTJ and I tell people to site the source of their source.
@New Kid I usually dont care about the source tbh only reason I ask for the source is to figure out how that "source" came to that conclusion by seeing that i can workout of their conclusion logically makes sense. Then decide if want to believe it or not.
So sometimes asking for the source's source can help you do that because you go and exam the main source.
If you want a novel about the Delta Quadra being taken down try Red Rising.
Can also recommend, it's an excellent series.
And in a 1948 speech to the British House of Commons, Winston Churchill said, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” No matter the origin, the sentiments are eternal.
The cult leader, the manager, the scholar and the prophet... ye /:
Enfp,estj,istj,infp respectively?
@@moonshoestarkid yes
Lol, cult leader. Im an ENFP and I'm not a group leader.
I really resonate with what you're saying about truth telling at funerals. I love doing this at funerals and I personally always wear brightly coloured clothing so people take more notice of me. One time this did cause a fight between me and the widdow but sometimes that's the price you have to pay when you deliver the truth.
Thank you so much CS. I’m an ENFP and honestly…your talk makes me feel both vindicated and “special” 😂🤦♂️. There’s a deep and special love and awe I feel like when you talk about this Quadra, and it…it’s good.
When you gave this talk, it seemed like you treated our Quadra as especially special. And I like it 😎.
It’s very validating and inspiring and awe-inducing, and even feels me with gratitude. (I hate that I’m parroting some of the terms you used, but they do fit so well).
Just as you seek to solve fatherlessness and somehow restore the soul of our society, I too feel a potential to do so via the ideas and stories and projects I wish/consider pursuing. These dreams…although important, seem so far away and so difficult as to be not worth chasing.
However, you say that we are special and you say that we have extra responsibilities. Believing yourself to be special sounds grandiose. But hearing you describe this Quadra makes every single challenge, pain, and sacrifice. It makes the dreams that I and perhaps others feel no longer just dreams. But now suddenly obligations, and duties, and even redemptive journeys. And it makes the need to achieve those dreams more real too.
Good work!
Great Video Chase! Thank you for sharing this!
are there any statistics on mbti demographics in universities btw? it seems like it's mostly N-types (not estj/istj; a lot of intj/infjs too), which is interesting to think about. i kinda liked this - although it's a bit too emotional and overstated sometimes for me.... nonetheless, it's refreshing to hear 'bad' stuff about mbti types sometimes! i must say though, as an infp i find it quite amusing that i've been described as having 'great power'... one other thing i find is unhelpful with all this mbti typing sometimes is that we end up shifting real socio-economic and political problems onto 'types' - as if they were really our destinies.. it seems like all this energy can be used to solve these problems at the level of the problems themselves rather than interpreting them according to a grand template of fixed psychic forms...(i don't think even you really think that sexual trafficking is best dealt with by ranting at infps, for eg......)
there isn't, because they cannot collect the stats
Depend on subject. Computing mostly contain ISFJs.
It's scary, how devilish we can b. The real battle is with our inner self rather than other people. I realized that from my early teens and it sure did fuck me up.
I’ve seen all the quadras videos and there’s something I don’t understand: if Ti is the source of truth and the truth is powerful. Why is it that Te users are the ones who have all the power?
Ti user might not necessarily use or wield their power. im ISTP and i certainly dont wield that power nearly as much as i could or probably should. Fe inferior and negative Se dont really let me sometimes...
That’s what I keep getting confused about too. I’ve been looking in the comments for some kind of clarification but no one really explains it. The best I could come up with is that Fi is the gas in society, and Ti is the breaks. Like People with Fi Te have a vision and push forward to make it real for the world. And then Ti Fe optimizes it and tried to make it a fair and truly aligned thing. Too fast with the Progress and you end up with corruption, to much of the breaks means stagnation and subsequent death to those who do strive for greater. That’s my working theory rn at least.
I love this question. Truth burns the lies away and power just exists relative to an objective and a purpose. Power come and go, it is impermanent. It exists because it is fueled by something. Truth is just there. Always. It is up to us to see it.
Te users act, Ti users think. Te users are about consensus of action and getting things done, and are also necessarily stubborn logically due to Fi being in their stack.
because Ti isn’t attracted to power
Your nicknames for the quadras are genius :)
I laughed at the start when you were describing how Gamma Quadra was offended by your previous video but then I watched this one and man do I feel called out. I’m an ISTJ so this was brutal to listen to, but I’m glad I did. Thank you for your candor Chase.