Yea i was thinking the same thing, there is always smething going on in her community even when she leaves one behind to try a new one something always happened again, I do hope some day oon she can get a break from it all and go back to being able to enjoy her games and community
It does and she never talks about it in her yapping videos and it makes her look worse but she is so sweet and i wish everyone who judged her like that would take the time to speak to her instead of assuming like i did at first
I think animal games as a whole just have some kind of curse. Wolf Quest, Day of Dragons, The Isle, Animal Jam... Is it that drama is more prevalent in these communities, or that because we see MORE of these communities as observers and participants, that it is easier to find controversy?
The title of this video is really accurate lol. Some big mess ups really happened here. Hopefully all parties involved learned something from this experience. I wanna yap so much more about but have no one to talk to about it, and I should also probably try to stay as neutral as I can. Thanks for the good video as always!
Truly did learn! Which is why I came forward when I left the Bagek’s Equiney Team. I no longer felt comfortable being associated, and there are many more details that were left out (as it pertained to mostly my involvement + me and Bagek’s own issues which isn’t the main thing) I made a huge mistake in sharing the mod, even when my intentions were not for her to start coding or using it before permission was given. Hard lesson that you shouldn’t trust every 100%.
I also don't understand why people steal something and say "no it wasn't me, i didn't do it!" It just doesn't make sense. But it's surely a psychological reason for them to cope with the bad stuff they did. It's easier to say they didn't do it rather than admitting and dealing with what they did. I call this the "human paradox".
It's a Bokmakiere! They're biggish birds. About the size of your forearm. Very pretty! And annoying! If he (my dad told it's a he, I feel the fool) makes another appearance I'll be sure to let him give his opinion on the subject as well XD ! ♥ And hello Rebecca! ^^
Hey Rattle!! I have a video suggestion for you if you'd like to get into or look at, as i fear the community needs to know about it. Wild horse islands. Please go over how the offical server failed due to terrible mods, how the unoffical server is just as bad, how the trading system is completely broken, how the dev took away the value chart, EVERYTHINNGGG!! Also, good video, keep up the great work!! Hope you take my suggestion into consideration as I've heard you had talked a little about the game but not too much :]
@@River_WildWhile I'm not recent player of WHI(only been playing HW), and I don't play SSO, I dont understand the hate with making similar things to SSO. You have to pay to play SSO, not WHI. Having a way to get similar things sounds nice when you can't get it from the other game. I haven't seen it so idk how close the copying is but if it's not super close then why not? But of course if it's like 90%+ the same, that's not okay. Hard to do in Roblox tbh
@mochi.1424 I've been playing whi since the week it came out. Trust me, it's grown to copy every little thing from sso from event horses to style of the models. And yes, you have to pay to play whi too, with the robux options to have GPS to not have to waste a thousand coins to travel islands, to 1.5k robux for just 30k coins, as the only way to get coins is also slow, leveling up now is ridiculously slow and the trading system and how the community handles trading is horrible. I know it may sound like I'm complaining about how slow it is and how great they could be, yet, I used an alt. Its extremely difficult to get anywhere in the game now than it was in 2021-2022. It used to be a totally sepreated game, but now it's literally almost a copy besides the lack of a storyline, breeding, and the fact it has islands. While it's 'neat' to see a roblox game copy off of sso, it is still not cool, that's like if I traced a well known and popular artist and called it my art, that is what this dev is doing, calling what he's doing his while the updates are clearly being pushed back. And it's not because of having issues. He's waiting for something to copy off of. At first i didn't think he was, but after seeing the time differences when sso pushed out I think their summer event? Had a rainbow spotted Appaloosa? And then all of a sudden WHI had one within two weeks after that? Kinda hard to miss. Especially now with the winter event being animal theme and a week after sso released leaks of their winter animal themed horses.
My goodness... Not talking and asking permussion is just the start, but 20 min. in-- either Bagek is a selfish teenager or an extremely immature adult. to put it nicely 🙄😓
I made an account just to comment this because my main has my name lol i met bagek, then peachy and i have talked to asheerah a few times but i don’t know her well enough to make a fair judgement as a person other than she knew she stole the mod and promoting the video was kinda messed up imo i knew Bagek pretty well, and she is nice at first. bagek was downright brainless in many situations, she’d make a rash choice and then act like she didn’t do anything even just as an onlooker and observer she was making everyone else look bad except herself. i didn’t know peachy but would hear her speak of her often and even say things like “peachy hates me” and i assumed peachy was a bad person so i just went with it. bagek is a good person to be around when she’s not using others for her own gains but it is more often then others think sadly when i talked with peachy it was because she answered one of my questions and i didn’t even know it was THAT peachy lol i just assumed it was a random discord user on a server i was in. she took the time to help me figure out minecraft issues and was super patient and once we got into call to figure this out, i could tell she was having a rough day. i very cautiously brought up the bagek situation because i know the mod had just come out and she was very stand offish towards it and a little rude and then backed up and i remember her saying “i’m sorry, i just can’t talk about this i don’t want to seem mean or disrespectful .” i assumed it was because i was a random person to her and it wasn’t my place so i left it alone. fast forward a month and i was in a call with her server and they were in there joking about the situation and peach shuts it down and said that she didn’t want to hear about it. someone asked if she was okay and she said yeah, she’s just not wanting it to be spoken about and it really messed her up more than people know and the only reason i’m commenting this is because i’ve seen both perspectives at a shallow level and even from that point of view it’s obvious how its affected each side. i left peachy’s server because i started a new job and couldn’t play anymore and i felt bad and i stayed in bagek’s because after all of this, i assumed that bagek would be a good friend. first call i got into she was spewing how peachy had made her lose all of her friends. i asked how because all of her friends were still there and she said that peachy was going around messaging people and then showed a screenshot of peachy messaging someone who bagek made a mod for which is obviously what someone would do to get to the root of the problem. I left bagek’s server because i didn’t want to be involved with someone who lies so easily like that. bagek said peachy is a big creator and could end her but peachy could have easily posted about it yet she didn’t and kept it quiet which was so courteous to bagek.Im sure peachy had her bad points and she rubbed people the wrong way so perspective does count, I really don’t wish anything bad to anybody but i wanted to speak about what i saw and heard thanks
I don't know how you can be even slightly familiar with code and not understand that plagiarizing it is wrong. Also, Exodus looks so cool!! I'll be keeping an eye on it, thanks for mentioning it!
As always, I love watching your videos while I draw, I'm not even in the horse games/ mods community, but I've lewrned so much about the topic (and the dramas) thanks to you! Also being an artists sucks, you need to be careful with tracers, AI freaks and people who steals your art without permission 😭 I'm still halfway through the video, but I'm really hoping that Bagek learns that stealing code from others is bad and takes the mod down or something like that.
More horse game community drama? Who could've seen that coming lol I'm so surprised... No but fr why horse games in particular? It's such a small niche I'd think most people would just wanna chill and share an interest. Which yes, I know most do, but damn the amount of shitshows in this particular community is just odd.
No kidding. I'm not really even in the community nor play many horse related games, but the amount of drama I see related to these types of games is insane. 😵💫
if you have “forgiven n forgotten” why are you asking for a video to be made?? seems like asheerah js wants to get back at bagek for literally misunderstandings :D. asheerah you were part of it, you shared the mod, you can’t say it’s bagek’s fault 😂
Seeing this video 30 minutes after it came out feels like a treat. I swear I could listen to you talk for hours! So entertaining and I love your accent. 😭❤
Thank you for making the video and being unbiased! Truly was a situation that could have been handled extremely better on all sides, which is a thing of the past now. For many people, including myself, I have learned from my mistakes of trusting people with valuable information and to be careful about it. This situation had sat on my mind for a while since it happened, and even though I knew it could affect how others see me, I’m glad I came to you and you took on the project! With this being done, hopefully know I won’t have random people asking me about it :,))). Great video as always, I always love your content
Thanks for reaching out Asheera! I'm glad you fel the vid was unbiased! I really tried to keep all sides in mind while still trying to be fair! And yeah, everyone does silly things from time to time! ♥ Glad you're doing better and keep on making awesome coats!
Drama is everywhere , I just want to have fun playing video games and horse 😂games and here I am ..keep up the good work love your videos ..have a day .
really want to give props to the coder. they just genuinely love to create things. even though i do believe part of making games is art, i feel that the coder is probably of the belief that patents dont belong in games which i 200% agree. especially with the nemesis system and nintendo's current lawsuit against palworld. patents ruin creativity, but code can be written in quite a few different ways and languages. so code can still be stolen or misused.
never change rattle dont write you scrips out properly its great fun when you have a brain pause makes me laugh an lightens the mood of the vid but still keep it professional .
LOLLOL! I write up huge chunks of it, but sometimes I'll wing it to add in more clarity to what I'm saying. I'll be sure to keep those 'wing-it' moments in!
Thanks for bringing this to light Rattle! 🤍 This whole situation was a lot of misunderstandings, but my team and I both tried to handle it in a private way that wouldn't cause a 'witch hunt', but as you know with online stuff - it gets spread, contorted, and shaped to each different story to make every involved individual look so much worse than they are. For those who are worried or fear my team is targeting people, I did not prompt this video and I would appreciate all of my team is left alone as they have worked so hard through this situation. My server and name is mentioned, and I provided all I could to help perspectives! I have forgiven all involved, and I am moving towards other projects so that I can continue doing what I love! As for the Addendum (Steed Mod), it will be released by the coders and I will be making a tutorial video on how ANYBODY can add whatever coats they would like. Hopefully, people can use it for the reason that we always intended - To get horses into the game that they'd like to see. Whether it's a famous horse, an OC, or a horse they wish they could see again IRL 💌
Not gonna lie, that coder has some very based takes on copyright law it seems. Not a big fan of it. Remember, piracy isn't theft and even if it is, who's gonna stop you?
my favorite horse server drama is pinecraft equestrian being pay-to-win and lying to children about how paypal works to guilt trip their CHILD PLAYER BASE INTO GIVING THEM MORE MORE. when i complained about it, the mod said that just as i was typing (like 10 minutes), they got another "charge back," despite only a few people buying things on the server so they for sure could have banned that "person." fucking insane.
Hello love your content! I was apart of the swemy staff team and got to experience a lot of this first hand, I had only been a staff member for a few months before swemy shut down but those few months were somewhat hell, swemys team was very toxic and was held together mostly by its community/players, I got to meet bagek personally and I found them to be somewhat inconsiderate of others but I don’t think they really intended bad things by making the mod and was just not thinking of other people,throughout the swemy mods development I found a lot of stuff was shoved under the rug and was poorly managed, as far as I’m aware swemys team didn’t make any efforts to explain the situation of the mod to the people who are supporting them let alone bought a custom coat to go into the mod, this video doesn’t really surprise me and gives a lot of clarification on things that we were not told about. Personally I think a video on the swemy horses situation would be great, swemy went very down hill within its last few months and a lot of the people , even ones I had become close to left swemy due to mistreatment. The mc equestrian community is so chaotic I can’t keep up ;,> Thanks for the tea and clarification keep up the amazing work!
Very intresting that swemy is on here… I have a whole tea pot that I could spill about that server I have everything from boardline pedo stuff to scamming and straight up abuse I’ve been a player for almost two years and a staff for like a year up until the server shut down. All I can say is just the stuff that had happened in that server is mind blowing it was just a server full of snakes
I would love to hear a video about Alicia Online's dev team inconsistencies, the current 5 month downtime and the other ao information. After your video of BETTER SSO being on a private server, I think that correlates to AO being on a private server as well, so the whole rumour about "not being able to send alex (the main dev) money" just makes me curious. I'd love to hear your opinion on it all, as ao is filled with SO much rage and I think a lot of people are frustrated with nothing to go off of
And yet another horse game drama 😆 It never ends does it? You bring it in such an mature and entertaining way rattle 😄 Every horse game comes with a discord server nowadays, I don't think I would if I were to make a horse game. Such a server can take up so much time. I'd rather add an e-mailadress where people can send suggestions and create a facebook page where they can discuss in the comments.
I used to watch Peachys vidoes a lot and I actually tried to join their Minecraft server as I couldn't find any good servers for horse stuff like this. Unfortently I was banned before I could even sign in. I then joined on my alt to ask why just to get no response and for that alt to be banned. My friend then offered to ask which I accepted. I have never been banned in any server and I as someone who ran several servers I was HIGHLY confused on why I was banned without ever being contacted or even allowed in the server. turns out I was banned for having a offensive bio that had profanity. First off I get it, sorrta, how ever it is MY profile I can have what I want. Second it wasn't anything offensive. in fact it was about how men treat women like objects. If I was contacted about this I would have changed it. But that's where the issue is. THEY NEVER CONTACTED ME. Not about me being banned, not about possibly changing it. Nothing. Then they banned my friend and atp I was just like whatever. I dont want to join a server that has staff running it like that. Nothing againts peachy but god that really ticked me off.
for a youtuber who wants to stay away from drama, they're certainly active in this comment section. sounds to me like personal issues that were resolved, that were exploited by someone with a big name. definatly dont believe that a youtuber and bff of rattle didn't encourage this video to be made. sad about the miscommunication and the bitterness but it's weird asf for this video to have been made when you usually have great unbiased journalism like real issues like grooming and exploitation - not random bitchy horse girl drama
@@YTRattle i had a feeling it was ace attorney but i was specifically asking for the name of the song that starts at 3:34 because i dont remember ever hearing it; thank you for your answer though, at least i know where to look now
Alright correcting one thing butch Hartman didn’t trace he heavily referenced that drawing. Not defending him. Just you can’t spread that type of misinformation. It actively works in his favor.
The thing these mods changed was the coat colors of the horses so yeah they look the same. The original SWEM team had no part in this outside of featuring the stolen mod when it was released.
i am not sure why anyone thought making a video about this was a good idea. it seems like mostly just personal drama. i dont think bagek deserves to be publicly shamed for this. its honestly sad that this video was made, especially months after it happened, clearly just to make her look bad. i am not sure what peachy or anyone else's exact motives were here but its really disturbing that you all thought this was a good idea to make it so public. this should have just been handled privately between those involved. if everyone has "forgiven and moved on" why do this then? you're just allowing the public to come in and give there opinions and potentially harass someone who already realized they made a mistake. it makes no sense
Peachy didn't ask for this video and has moved on from this. Asherant asked for this video from Rattle... and it seems like Asherant was the person who handed Bagek the mod in the first place to copy it.
This video is honestly ridiculous, it's almost easy to think that the creation of this video was a part of some master plan to just make Peachy look better than she really is. Not to mention asheerah coming in this comment section and acting like she is holy just because she may have taken accountability for her actions. So can and will Bagek. Asheerah played just as important of a roll in this issue as Bagek did, yet Bagek is the only one who is getting blasted. I despise people who paint people as monsters for experiencing normal human struggles such as being timid of certain social interactions, having difficulty withstanding and dealing with conflict or confrontation, or being so excited about something you're passionate about that it makes you jump the gun a little bit and make impulse decisions. I think one thing we can all agree on is that Bagek was and is trying to make a bit of a name for herself, and mistakes were made along the way, but she 100% is not a malicious person or has malicious intent. Mistakes happen, we cannot erase ourselves from those but we can learn from them and make proper change, and that's exactly what Bagek did. She grew, she learned, she corrected her wrongdoings, took accountability, apologized, and the situation was moved on from by all parties involved. Peachy claims to have forgiven and moved on, yet 9 months later a video comes out about this utterly pointless drama. Truly, nobody cares about this, the memory will only last a week or two, if even, and then it will get flooded away into the past. This video makes just about everyone involved look equally as bad. "I do not believe Bagek has malicious intent" "This whole situation was a lot of misunderstandings, but my team and I both tried to handle it in a private way" " For those who are worried or fear my team is targeting people, I did not prompt this video" " I have forgiven all involved". Sure, you may not have came to rattle with the idea, but you were involved, contributed, and supported it. How do you call that moving on and forgiveness? Rattle, it appears that you will make content for just about anything to get a few views, even if it means unfairly and harshly hurting normal, kind humans, which is beyond disappointing. It's important for everyone to remember that there is no manual for how to do any of these things "RIGHT". Bagek is very very new to the coding world, and has just started making a tiny bit of a breakthrough. Bagek did not deserve this.
This video was clearly made to expose how plagiarism can happen in all shapes and forms and even in small communities. How do you think Bagek got hold of Tre’s code for her Equiney Addon? Using it and then asking later and then manipulating a developer into letting her use it. She’s old enough to know better!! Asheerah and Peachy were just a part of this and if they had stayed silent, they would have looked a lot worse lmao I have spoken to both of them before and it would have been bad either way. “They didn’t speak up, they’re just doing it for clout!” or “Peachy is interacting with others, they’re obviously doing this for clout”. Either way, both are going to look bad to someone who thinks this is on purpose just to spite Bagek. I think she can move on from this fine if she makes her own code. Stop yanking and changing, sit down like a big girl and actually take the time. Bagek is new to the coding world but she’s been doing it for years and has been proven to take code and publish it more than once without proper credits. Yikes.
Peachy has stayed silent for months not to mention her having the platform she does and then being courteous like please be honest with yourself. Bagek plagiarised and when confronted she only apologised to the coder when she dragged so many names with her through this, if she can’t take the online heat then don’t post content that isn’t made by you. Even Asheerah’s comment is the same, they both did it to seem nice what are they supposed to say? YIPPIEEE DRAMA!! get a hold of yourself please
As somebody who knows Bagek, and what actually went down on the SWEMY server, among other things... Rattle, this video is incredibly disappointing. I tried to come into this with a neutral mind but your bias is showing. Firstly, there's one person whose opinion that really matters in this drama, aka, the coder. The coder gave Bagek permission, and by your own statements in the vid: he doesn't care about copyright, and more than anything, wanted this piece of code to be free to access. It's thus important to mention that Peachy's server is PAID access, and that initially her version of the add-on was never meant to be public (if it even is now, I can't find anything outside of the modpack). The coder made it "for" Peachy, sure, but he never intended for it to be exclusively hers- you can gift somebody the use of something without giving them total ownership. As an artist I can provide a few examples: banner art for a website, fanart for a video, texture art to be used in a mod etc. Therefore, sure Peachy has every right to her feelings, but she never had a right to exclusive access. Again, it's important to mention that Peachy's server is PAID, or at least was at the time of this event, and you never brought it up. Why? Secondly, the SWEMY server and "Ghost." Not very anonymous to anybody who was there and/or knows who "Ghost" is but sure. Why did you make it sound like this issue with the coat add-on was what caused SWEMY to close? Because there's a couple of points here. - People WEREN'T paying for the coat add-on, they were paying TEXTURE ARTISTS to make CUSTOM COATS that were going to be hosted on the server. Incredibly different and you were incredibly misleading in your presentation of this. Why? - Refunds weren't issued due to any legal concerns over the addon, that again Peachy did NOT own. Instead, refunds, NOT just for coats, but for several similar "donations" bought from the server were given. This is due to the server's indefinite closing, because we (basically the entire Builder and Mod team) left. We were exhausted and burned out to start with, and then with the way the server owner was treating Ghost, we all decided to leave. Thus, server close, thus, refunds. Honestly, there's far more of a story there than this personal beef you stretched into a 35 minute video, certainly far more than the casual mention and implication Bagek was somehow at fault for all of this??? Again, why? Why would you take Asheerah's word apparently at face value, nearly a year later, and cut up all these events to make Bagek look like she did something worse than she actually did? That's what I have personal involvement and/or have extensive knowledge of. Thirdly, there is SO MUCH from Bagek's side you have very clearly left out. Screenshots, her side of the story; all to extrapolate some specific extenuating circumstances and feelings from her responses shown here? Her extended involvement with other parties? Trying to make it look like she monetized the mod when she didn't? What gives? TLDR; It reeks of a lack of due diligence, and almost looks like intentional dishonesty on your part. There's a ton I've left out here because this is a novel already, and it's not hard information to come by if you actually ask Bagek. This video was a MAJOR letdown.
You trying to defend Bagek still doesn’t explain the screenshots of her knowingly using the code on multiple occasions BERORE permission was acquired. Bagek went against the coders agreement and that alone says enough about her efforts in this situation and where her intentions lie. I’m not saying she’s a horrible person, I don’t know her personally….Professionally - She made an oopsies and then instead of removing and fixing, she pushed on and insisted the code was hers. The coder didn’t agree to that, did he? She then put it on a monetized platform with two different mods. The coder also didn’t agree to that, did he? We have no proof other than him saying go crazy for her to make her OWN code for SWEMY, not for her to use his and just change a handful of things instead of writing her own damn code. The proof is enough to show her intentions outweighed the truth of her reply to Rattle. Regret is evident, but remorse is not. Peachy’s server is not free (members perk i believe?) but that doesn’t matter. The mod was a gift and made for her originally, and the coder gave Bagek the right to use it with terms that she did not follow. You have no idea what rights he intended anybody to have with the mod outside of those terms, none of us do. Bagek advertised this on SWEM, saying she was the coder. Did he agree to that? This video doesn’t have much more than his words to Bagek. What else is there to say? It doesn’t matter how ethical you believe this video to be. If she wanted more proof provided in the video, you’d think she would have spoken to Rattle or even comment herself like the other creators involved are doing. I know Peachy decently. She never tried to claim this mod as *hers*, her only intention was to protect it from being unfairly used before the official public release, as her statement said on her medias. She is being blamed for being protective of a professional and personal gift that was granted to her and then taken. That is her right. Editing to add this in: Bagek promised the SWEMY team a mod before she even got permission from the coder and Peachy (I don’t think she even told Peachy). SWEMY would not have opened PAID coat submissions if Bagek hadn’t have promised the code in some shape or form. I don’t believe anybody is blaming Bagek for this but she knew she was using this code without permission before someone asked FOR her, and then the coder contacted Bagek.
it wouldn't be a true horse game or horse mc mod if it didn't have drama, that's how you know it's good.
This is just barn drama pixel addition.
the original coder seems like a really cool person, hopefully this mess doesn't discourage him!
can confirm, he is still coding and has handled this beautifully! he really is a cool dude 🤍
bagek was so childish lmao, also i appreciate your concern for the art community, its tougher too out here with AI
Man toxicity seems to find Peachy wherever she goes, its sad
She's literally so sweet and just wants to have her cute little server in peace, like c'mon y'all. :')))
@@maybeshrikebig on the peaceful mc server!! 😅 yall are so sweet, i’m happy to have such a loving community omg
Yea i was thinking the same thing, there is always smething going on in her community even when she leaves one behind to try a new one something always happened again, I do hope some day oon she can get a break from it all and go back to being able to enjoy her games and community
@@echidna7970 kinda feels like hasanabi community
It does and she never talks about it in her yapping videos and it makes her look worse but she is so sweet and i wish everyone who judged her like that would take the time to speak to her instead of assuming like i did at first
Will we ever get a horse game that doesn’t have any problems? 😅
Never XD
No
If I ever need some drama in my life, I will start developing a horse game.
I think animal games as a whole just have some kind of curse. Wolf Quest, Day of Dragons, The Isle, Animal Jam... Is it that drama is more prevalent in these communities, or that because we see MORE of these communities as observers and participants, that it is easier to find controversy?
@@TheTingcatwhat happened to wolfquest?
The title of this video is really accurate lol. Some big mess ups really happened here. Hopefully all parties involved learned something from this experience. I wanna yap so much more about but have no one to talk to about it, and I should also probably try to stay as neutral as I can. Thanks for the good video as always!
Truly did learn! Which is why I came forward when I left the Bagek’s Equiney Team. I no longer felt comfortable being associated, and there are many more details that were left out (as it pertained to mostly my involvement + me and Bagek’s own issues which isn’t the main thing)
I made a huge mistake in sharing the mod, even when my intentions were not for her to start coding or using it before permission was given. Hard lesson that you shouldn’t trust every 100%.
@@AsheerahsRetreat This is such a mature response to the situation though. Being human is making mistakes, and being an adult is learning from them.
I also don't understand why people steal something and say "no it wasn't me, i didn't do it!" It just doesn't make sense. But it's surely a psychological reason for them to cope with the bad stuff they did. It's easier to say they didn't do it rather than admitting and dealing with what they did. I call this the "human paradox".
Peachy is so well spoken during a frustrating period
Whoever that bird is, the call sounds really cute! I'd love to see a little cameo of the bird in a future video 😂
It's a Bokmakiere! They're biggish birds. About the size of your forearm. Very pretty! And annoying! If he (my dad told it's a he, I feel the fool) makes another appearance I'll be sure to let him give his opinion on the subject as well XD ! ♥ And hello Rebecca! ^^
@YTRattle ooh I will have to look it up, sounds very fascinating!
@@RebeccaRavenbird she actually has a photo of the species up on the screen when you hear the bird
Hey Rattle!! I have a video suggestion for you if you'd like to get into or look at, as i fear the community needs to know about it.
Wild horse islands.
Please go over how the offical server failed due to terrible mods, how the unoffical server is just as bad, how the trading system is completely broken, how the dev took away the value chart, EVERYTHINNGGG!!
Also, good video, keep up the great work!! Hope you take my suggestion into consideration as I've heard you had talked a little about the game but not too much :]
And how the horse coats are eerily similar to sso's (cough cough the shires) and the new winter horses are animal themed??? Coincidence I think not
@Kae750 Rightt?? I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees all the things being copied from Sso
I played that game the day it launched and I haven’t played since the start of the year, gotta check it out again 😅
@@River_WildWhile I'm not recent player of WHI(only been playing HW), and I don't play SSO, I dont understand the hate with making similar things to SSO. You have to pay to play SSO, not WHI. Having a way to get similar things sounds nice when you can't get it from the other game.
I haven't seen it so idk how close the copying is but if it's not super close then why not? But of course if it's like 90%+ the same, that's not okay. Hard to do in Roblox tbh
@mochi.1424 I've been playing whi since the week it came out. Trust me, it's grown to copy every little thing from sso from event horses to style of the models. And yes, you have to pay to play whi too, with the robux options to have GPS to not have to waste a thousand coins to travel islands, to 1.5k robux for just 30k coins, as the only way to get coins is also slow, leveling up now is ridiculously slow and the trading system and how the community handles trading is horrible. I know it may sound like I'm complaining about how slow it is and how great they could be, yet, I used an alt. Its extremely difficult to get anywhere in the game now than it was in 2021-2022.
It used to be a totally sepreated game, but now it's literally almost a copy besides the lack of a storyline, breeding, and the fact it has islands.
While it's 'neat' to see a roblox game copy off of sso, it is still not cool, that's like if I traced a well known and popular artist and called it my art, that is what this dev is doing, calling what he's doing his while the updates are clearly being pushed back. And it's not because of having issues. He's waiting for something to copy off of. At first i didn't think he was, but after seeing the time differences when sso pushed out I think their summer event? Had a rainbow spotted Appaloosa? And then all of a sudden WHI had one within two weeks after that? Kinda hard to miss. Especially now with the winter event being animal theme and a week after sso released leaks of their winter animal themed horses.
My goodness... Not talking and asking permussion is just the start, but 20 min. in-- either Bagek is a selfish teenager or an extremely immature adult. to put it nicely 🙄😓
I made an account just to comment this because my main has my name lol i met bagek, then peachy and i have talked to asheerah a few times but i don’t know her well enough to make a fair judgement as a person other than she knew she stole the mod and promoting the video was kinda messed up imo
i knew Bagek pretty well, and she is nice at first. bagek was downright brainless in many situations, she’d make a rash choice and then act like she didn’t do anything even just as an onlooker and observer she was making everyone else look bad except herself. i didn’t know peachy but would hear her speak of her often and even say things like “peachy hates me” and i assumed peachy was a bad person so i just went with it. bagek is a good person to be around when she’s not using others for her own gains but it is more often then others think sadly
when i talked with peachy it was because she answered one of my questions and i didn’t even know it was THAT peachy lol i just assumed it was a random discord user on a server i was in. she took the time to help me figure out minecraft issues and was super patient and once we got into call to figure this out, i could tell she was having a rough day. i very cautiously brought up the bagek situation because i know the mod had just come out and she was very stand offish towards it and a little rude and then backed up and i remember her saying “i’m sorry, i just can’t talk about this i don’t want to seem mean or disrespectful .” i assumed it was because i was a random person to her and it wasn’t my place so i left it alone. fast forward a month and i was in a call with her server and they were in there joking about the situation and peach shuts it down and said that she didn’t want to hear about it. someone asked if she was okay and she said yeah, she’s just not wanting it to be spoken about and it really messed her up more than people know and the only reason i’m commenting this is because i’ve seen both perspectives at a shallow level and even from that point of view it’s obvious how its affected each side. i left peachy’s server because i started a new job and couldn’t play anymore and i felt bad and i stayed in bagek’s because after all of this, i assumed that bagek would be a good friend. first call i got into she was spewing how peachy had made her lose all of her friends. i asked how because all of her friends were still there and she said that peachy was going around messaging people and then showed a screenshot of peachy messaging someone who bagek made a mod for which is obviously what someone would do to get to the root of the problem. I left bagek’s server because i didn’t want to be involved with someone who lies so easily like that.
bagek said peachy is a big creator and could end her but peachy could have easily posted about it yet she didn’t and kept it quiet which was so courteous to bagek.Im sure peachy had her bad points and she rubbed people the wrong way so perspective does count, I really don’t wish anything bad to anybody but i wanted to speak about what i saw and heard thanks
Ooh, I was in Swemy for a time. Their management seemed highly unprofessional... this isn't a surprise.
I don't know how you can be even slightly familiar with code and not understand that plagiarizing it is wrong.
Also, Exodus looks so cool!! I'll be keeping an eye on it, thanks for mentioning it!
As always, I love watching your videos while I draw, I'm not even in the horse games/ mods community, but I've lewrned so much about the topic (and the dramas) thanks to you!
Also being an artists sucks, you need to be careful with tracers, AI freaks and people who steals your art without permission 😭
I'm still halfway through the video, but I'm really hoping that Bagek learns that stealing code from others is bad and takes the mod down or something like that.
never been this early to rattle! love what you are doing!
More horse game community drama? Who could've seen that coming lol I'm so surprised...
No but fr why horse games in particular? It's such a small niche I'd think most people would just wanna chill and share an interest. Which yes, I know most do, but damn the amount of shitshows in this particular community is just odd.
Because a lot of horse game fans are kids, and kids are fucking stupid.
No kidding. I'm not really even in the community nor play many horse related games, but the amount of drama I see related to these types of games is insane. 😵💫
if you have “forgiven n forgotten” why are you asking for a video to be made?? seems like asheerah js wants to get back at bagek for literally misunderstandings :D. asheerah you were part of it, you shared the mod, you can’t say it’s bagek’s fault 😂
Seeing this video 30 minutes after it came out feels like a treat. I swear I could listen to you talk for hours! So entertaining and I love your accent. 😭❤
Thank you!!! ^^ ♥
Y o. I wish this video would have been out earlier. Maybe it would have saved me the headache of joining WEC and whatnot. XD
Thank you for making the video and being unbiased!
Truly was a situation that could have been handled extremely better on all sides, which is a thing of the past now. For many people, including myself, I have learned from my mistakes of trusting people with valuable information and to be careful about it. This situation had sat on my mind for a while since it happened, and even though I knew it could affect how others see me, I’m glad I came to you and you took on the project! With this being done, hopefully know I won’t have random people asking me about it :,))).
Great video as always, I always love your content
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We love you Ash!
Thanks for reaching out Asheera! I'm glad you fel the vid was unbiased! I really tried to keep all sides in mind while still trying to be fair! And yeah, everyone does silly things from time to time! ♥ Glad you're doing better and keep on making awesome coats!
Drama is everywhere , I just want to have fun playing video games and horse 😂games and here I am ..keep up the good work love your videos ..have a day .
With all this drama 'having a day' is pretty much how it's going LOL
I can't believe UA-cam held this video away from me for a whole hour
That bastard -_-
Sounds like some unfortunate misunderstandings 🙁 I'm happy people talked it out in the end
Amazing as always Rattle
really want to give props to the coder. they just genuinely love to create things.
even though i do believe part of making games is art, i feel that the coder is probably of the belief that patents dont belong in games which i 200% agree. especially with the nemesis system and nintendo's current lawsuit against palworld.
patents ruin creativity, but code can be written in quite a few different ways and languages. so code can still be stolen or misused.
never change rattle dont write you scrips out properly its great fun when you have a brain pause makes me laugh an lightens the mood of the vid but still keep it professional .
LOLLOL! I write up huge chunks of it, but sometimes I'll wing it to add in more clarity to what I'm saying. I'll be sure to keep those 'wing-it' moments in!
Thanks for bringing this to light Rattle! 🤍
This whole situation was a lot of misunderstandings, but my team and I both tried to handle it in a private way that wouldn't cause a 'witch hunt', but as you know with online stuff - it gets spread, contorted, and shaped to each different story to make every involved individual look so much worse than they are. For those who are worried or fear my team is targeting people, I did not prompt this video and I would appreciate all of my team is left alone as they have worked so hard through this situation. My server and name is mentioned, and I provided all I could to help perspectives! I have forgiven all involved, and I am moving towards other projects so that I can continue doing what I love!
As for the Addendum (Steed Mod), it will be released by the coders and I will be making a tutorial video on how ANYBODY can add whatever coats they would like. Hopefully, people can use it for the reason that we always intended - To get horses into the game that they'd like to see. Whether it's a famous horse, an OC, or a horse they wish they could see again IRL 💌
Love you peachy!
Not gonna lie, that coder has some very based takes on copyright law it seems. Not a big fan of it. Remember, piracy isn't theft and even if it is, who's gonna stop you?
I'm getting so nostalgic when I hear the Phoenix Wright music in the background
Preach Rattle! Love ur Content!
drama in the horse gaming community, definitely didnt expect this!
Always and forever
Wake up babe, new rattle pony drama video just dropped
my favorite horse server drama is pinecraft equestrian being pay-to-win and lying to children about how paypal works to guilt trip their CHILD PLAYER BASE INTO GIVING THEM MORE MORE. when i complained about it, the mod said that just as i was typing (like 10 minutes), they got another "charge back," despite only a few people buying things on the server so they for sure could have banned that "person." fucking insane.
Im half convinced that Peachy is just a drama magnet that she is just been cursed upon.
HOW DO I GET RID OF THE CURSE WAIT-
why did the "OBJECTION!!!" jumpscared me?!
..is the background music in certain parts of the video from Ace Attorney or am I tripping? If so, I adore you even more now🙏
Edit: I KNEW IT
THE WHOLE VIDEO IS ACE ATTORNEY
@YTRattle HELL YEAHH
wake up yall rattle posted more horsey drama !!!
I just love listening to these 😮
lol yea this is like the average art community drama that happens
Hello love your content! I was apart of the swemy staff team and got to experience a lot of this first hand, I had only been a staff member for a few months before swemy shut down but those few months were somewhat hell, swemys team was very toxic and was held together mostly by its community/players, I got to meet bagek personally and I found them to be somewhat inconsiderate of others but I don’t think they really intended bad things by making the mod and was just not thinking of other people,throughout the swemy mods development I found a lot of stuff was shoved under the rug and was poorly managed, as far as I’m aware swemys team didn’t make any efforts to explain the situation of the mod to the people who are supporting them let alone bought a custom coat to go into the mod, this video doesn’t really surprise me and gives a lot of clarification on things that we were not told about. Personally I think a video on the swemy horses situation would be great, swemy went very down hill within its last few months and a lot of the people , even ones I had become close to left swemy due to mistreatment. The mc equestrian community is so chaotic I can’t keep up ;,> Thanks for the tea and clarification keep up the amazing work!
Very intresting that swemy is on here… I have a whole tea pot that I could spill about that server I have everything from boardline pedo stuff to scamming and straight up abuse I’ve been a player for almost two years and a staff for like a year up until the server shut down. All I can say is just the stuff that had happened in that server is mind blowing it was just a server full of snakes
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyy you postedddsddd I’ve honestly been waiting
WHOOOP! XD
It sounds like a huge misunderstanding.
2:04 Oh, thank goodness!
I would love to hear a video about Alicia Online's dev team inconsistencies, the current 5 month downtime and the other ao information. After your video of BETTER SSO being on a private server, I think that correlates to AO being on a private server as well, so the whole rumour about "not being able to send alex (the main dev) money" just makes me curious. I'd love to hear your opinion on it all, as ao is filled with SO much rage and I think a lot of people are frustrated with nothing to go off of
WAKE UP EVERYONE
Whoop whoop!
I'm confused, was the mod monotized or was the site just monorized via ads?
Can you please do a review on Equestriad world tour. It’s a mobile game
And yet another horse game drama 😆 It never ends does it? You bring it in such an mature and entertaining way rattle 😄
Every horse game comes with a discord server nowadays, I don't think I would if I were to make a horse game. Such a server can take up so much time. I'd rather add an e-mailadress where people can send suggestions and create a facebook page where they can discuss in the comments.
Horse game drama? It must be a day that ends in y.
Yoooo rattle posted!!! Lets go!
I used to watch Peachys vidoes a lot and I actually tried to join their Minecraft server as I couldn't find any good servers for horse stuff like this. Unfortently I was banned before I could even sign in. I then joined on my alt to ask why just to get no response and for that alt to be banned. My friend then offered to ask which I accepted. I have never been banned in any server and I as someone who ran several servers I was HIGHLY confused on why I was banned without ever being contacted or even allowed in the server. turns out I was banned for having a offensive bio that had profanity. First off I get it, sorrta, how ever it is MY profile I can have what I want. Second it wasn't anything offensive. in fact it was about how men treat women like objects. If I was contacted about this I would have changed it. But that's where the issue is. THEY NEVER CONTACTED ME. Not about me being banned, not about possibly changing it. Nothing. Then they banned my friend and atp I was just like whatever. I dont want to join a server that has staff running it like that. Nothing againts peachy but god that really ticked me off.
Heyo! I spoke to Peachy and she said that her team won't ban anyone out of the blue. it might be a good idea to reach out and ask what's going on! ♥
Someone tell me why swem has so much drama around it and related to it.
Minecraft gamers meets horse gamers? XD
28:39 Bokmakierie Moment
South African birdies know how to make a scene! XD
I was looking for this comment!
for a youtuber who wants to stay away from drama, they're certainly active in this comment section. sounds to me like personal issues that were resolved, that were exploited by someone with a big name. definatly dont believe that a youtuber and bff of rattle didn't encourage this video to be made. sad about the miscommunication and the bitterness but it's weird asf for this video to have been made when you usually have great unbiased journalism like real issues like grooming and exploitation - not random bitchy horse girl drama
just say you're the one the video is about atp lolol
and if she’s silent then she seems like a jerk, which one is it lmao
whats the song at 3:34
I used Ace Attorney music. Specifically from the first three games!
@@YTRattle i had a feeling it was ace attorney but i was specifically asking for the name of the song that starts at 3:34 because i dont remember ever hearing it; thank you for your answer though, at least i know where to look now
Yesssss more rattle!!!!
Alright correcting one thing butch Hartman didn’t trace he heavily referenced that drawing.
Not defending him. Just you can’t spread that type of misinformation. It actively works in his favor.
Wait I'm confused did swem steal or was swem stolen cause all these mods look the exact same
The thing these mods changed was the coat colors of the horses so yeah they look the same. The original SWEM team had no part in this outside of featuring the stolen mod when it was released.
Just wanted to say
Creators of textures were listed and the whole thing was not for profit 😅
Oh! And swemy is not shut down and definitely not because of this drama
Swemy is on break :p
Oh and first comment is according to swemy mod version
try horse life roblox, pretty please
Honestly Im sad bc can’t play any of these mods as I’m on Xbox 😢 anddd I can’t play any horse games bc I’m on Mac (except for sso 🙄)
you should listen to a voice clip of floofty fizzlebean from bugsnax
i am not sure why anyone thought making a video about this was a good idea. it seems like mostly just personal drama. i dont think bagek deserves to be publicly shamed for this. its honestly sad that this video was made, especially months after it happened, clearly just to make her look bad. i am not sure what peachy or anyone else's exact motives were here but its really disturbing that you all thought this was a good idea to make it so public. this should have just been handled privately between those involved. if everyone has "forgiven and moved on" why do this then? you're just allowing the public to come in and give there opinions and potentially harass someone who already realized they made a mistake. it makes no sense
Peachy didn't ask for this video and has moved on from this. Asherant asked for this video from Rattle... and it seems like Asherant was the person who handed Bagek the mod in the first place to copy it.
Oh hell yeah
35 sec ago is wild c.c
Hot damn, that's early!
im early to a rattle video????!!
This video is honestly ridiculous, it's almost easy to think that the creation of this video was a part of some master plan to just make Peachy look better than she really is. Not to mention asheerah coming in this comment section and acting like she is holy just because she may have taken accountability for her actions. So can and will Bagek. Asheerah played just as important of a roll in this issue as Bagek did, yet Bagek is the only one who is getting blasted. I despise people who paint people as monsters for experiencing normal human struggles such as being timid of certain social interactions, having difficulty withstanding and dealing with conflict or confrontation, or being so excited about something you're passionate about that it makes you jump the gun a little bit and make impulse decisions.
I think one thing we can all agree on is that Bagek was and is trying to make a bit of a name for herself, and mistakes were made along the way, but she 100% is not a malicious person or has malicious intent. Mistakes happen, we cannot erase ourselves from those but we can learn from them and make proper change, and that's exactly what Bagek did. She grew, she learned, she corrected her wrongdoings, took accountability, apologized, and the situation was moved on from by all parties involved. Peachy claims to have forgiven and moved on, yet 9 months later a video comes out about this utterly pointless drama. Truly, nobody cares about this, the memory will only last a week or two, if even, and then it will get flooded away into the past. This video makes just about everyone involved look equally as bad. "I do not believe Bagek has malicious intent" "This whole situation was a lot of misunderstandings, but my team and I both tried to handle it in a private way" " For those who are worried or fear my team is targeting people, I did not prompt this video" " I have forgiven all involved". Sure, you may not have came to rattle with the idea, but you were involved, contributed, and supported it. How do you call that moving on and forgiveness? Rattle, it appears that you will make content for just about anything to get a few views, even if it means unfairly and harshly hurting normal, kind humans, which is beyond disappointing.
It's important for everyone to remember that there is no manual for how to do any of these things "RIGHT". Bagek is very very new to the coding world, and has just started making a tiny bit of a breakthrough.
Bagek did not deserve this.
This video was clearly made to expose how plagiarism can happen in all shapes and forms and even in small communities. How do you think Bagek got hold of Tre’s code for her Equiney Addon? Using it and then asking later and then manipulating a developer into letting her use it. She’s old enough to know better!!
Asheerah and Peachy were just a part of this and if they had stayed silent, they would have looked a lot worse lmao I have spoken to both of them before and it would have been bad either way.
“They didn’t speak up, they’re just doing it for clout!” or “Peachy is interacting with others, they’re obviously doing this for clout”. Either way, both are going to look bad to someone who thinks this is on purpose just to spite Bagek.
I think she can move on from this fine if she makes her own code. Stop yanking and changing, sit down like a big girl and actually take the time. Bagek is new to the coding world but she’s been doing it for years and has been proven to take code and publish it more than once without proper credits. Yikes.
Peachy has stayed silent for months not to mention her having the platform she does and then being courteous like please be honest with yourself. Bagek plagiarised and when confronted she only apologised to the coder when she dragged so many names with her through this, if she can’t take the online heat then don’t post content that isn’t made by you. Even Asheerah’s comment is the same, they both did it to seem nice what are they supposed to say? YIPPIEEE DRAMA!! get a hold of yourself please
friend of bagek, perhaps?
hi
Hello!
Damn, can’t believe I’m this early
dang i'm early
As somebody who knows Bagek, and what actually went down on the SWEMY server, among other things... Rattle, this video is incredibly disappointing. I tried to come into this with a neutral mind but your bias is showing.
Firstly, there's one person whose opinion that really matters in this drama, aka, the coder. The coder gave Bagek permission, and by your own statements in the vid: he doesn't care about copyright, and more than anything, wanted this piece of code to be free to access. It's thus important to mention that Peachy's server is PAID access, and that initially her version of the add-on was never meant to be public (if it even is now, I can't find anything outside of the modpack). The coder made it "for" Peachy, sure, but he never intended for it to be exclusively hers- you can gift somebody the use of something without giving them total ownership. As an artist I can provide a few examples: banner art for a website, fanart for a video, texture art to be used in a mod etc. Therefore, sure Peachy has every right to her feelings, but she never had a right to exclusive access.
Again, it's important to mention that Peachy's server is PAID, or at least was at the time of this event, and you never brought it up. Why?
Secondly, the SWEMY server and "Ghost." Not very anonymous to anybody who was there and/or knows who "Ghost" is but sure.
Why did you make it sound like this issue with the coat add-on was what caused SWEMY to close? Because there's a couple of points here.
- People WEREN'T paying for the coat add-on, they were paying TEXTURE ARTISTS to make CUSTOM COATS that were going to be hosted on the server. Incredibly different and you were incredibly misleading in your presentation of this. Why?
- Refunds weren't issued due to any legal concerns over the addon, that again Peachy did NOT own. Instead, refunds, NOT just for coats, but for several similar "donations" bought from the server were given. This is due to the server's indefinite closing, because we (basically the entire Builder and Mod team) left. We were exhausted and burned out to start with, and then with the way the server owner was treating Ghost, we all decided to leave. Thus, server close, thus, refunds. Honestly, there's far more of a story there than this personal beef you stretched into a 35 minute video, certainly far more than the casual mention and implication Bagek was somehow at fault for all of this???
Again, why? Why would you take Asheerah's word apparently at face value, nearly a year later, and cut up all these events to make Bagek look like she did something worse than she actually did?
That's what I have personal involvement and/or have extensive knowledge of.
Thirdly, there is SO MUCH from Bagek's side you have very clearly left out. Screenshots, her side of the story; all to extrapolate some specific extenuating circumstances and feelings from her responses shown here? Her extended involvement with other parties? Trying to make it look like she monetized the mod when she didn't? What gives?
TLDR; It reeks of a lack of due diligence, and almost looks like intentional dishonesty on your part. There's a ton I've left out here because this is a novel already, and it's not hard information to come by if you actually ask Bagek. This video was a MAJOR letdown.
You trying to defend Bagek still doesn’t explain the screenshots of her knowingly using the code on multiple occasions BERORE permission was acquired. Bagek went against the coders agreement and that alone says enough about her efforts in this situation and where her intentions lie. I’m not saying she’s a horrible person, I don’t know her personally….Professionally - She made an oopsies and then instead of removing and fixing, she pushed on and insisted the code was hers. The coder didn’t agree to that, did he? She then put it on a monetized platform with two different mods. The coder also didn’t agree to that, did he? We have no proof other than him saying go crazy for her to make her OWN code for SWEMY, not for her to use his and just change a handful of things instead of writing her own damn code. The proof is enough to show her intentions outweighed the truth of her reply to Rattle. Regret is evident, but remorse is not.
Peachy’s server is not free (members perk i believe?) but that doesn’t matter. The mod was a gift and made for her originally, and the coder gave Bagek the right to use it with terms that she did not follow. You have no idea what rights he intended anybody to have with the mod outside of those terms, none of us do. Bagek advertised this on SWEM, saying she was the coder. Did he agree to that? This video doesn’t have much more than his words to Bagek. What else is there to say? It doesn’t matter how ethical you believe this video to be. If she wanted more proof provided in the video, you’d think she would have spoken to Rattle or even comment herself like the other creators involved are doing.
I know Peachy decently. She never tried to claim this mod as *hers*, her only intention was to protect it from being unfairly used before the official public release, as her statement said on her medias. She is being blamed for being protective of a professional and personal gift that was granted to her and then taken. That is her right.
Editing to add this in: Bagek promised the SWEMY team a mod before she even got permission from the coder and Peachy (I don’t think she even told Peachy). SWEMY would not have opened PAID coat submissions if Bagek hadn’t have promised the code in some shape or form. I don’t believe anybody is blaming Bagek for this but she knew she was using this code without permission before someone asked FOR her, and then the coder contacted Bagek.