BZ-58-2: NEW BATTLE PASS REWARD TANK! | World of Tanks
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2023
- World of Tanks, WoT, 1.20.0 patch
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I am actually positively surprised by Wargaming's presentation of this tank. It's more honest and player-oriented, actually not presenting tank like best one in the game and talking about its weaknesses. Plus it has proper weakspots.
Its basically a worse 50tp
I was about to say the same thing, thats a nice surprise
It's free tank so obviously they don't care how many of them will players get
yeah it's because it's not a premium tank :)
Actually true, I remeber CDC presentation 🤣
If you compare this one with the e75 and 50tp it falls right in the middle in terms of gun handling but makes up with better mobility at the cost of armor. I would not call it bad. Just balanced. Its just another Lorr 50t situation where the tank simply should not rely on its hull armor. We should also never forget that we are playing with 520 alpha here. So we should not expect perfect gunhanding from it.
For how shitty armor is, the gun handling should be E75 like and even better, It's also a reward tank soo let's be real, you'd expect it to be a bit better but It's actually worse and that is the problem.
Hey Skill, I love your videos. Could you make a tutorial about shell types vs armor including overmatch mechanism etc? You mentioned HEAT will penetrate you, but why? For me it is hard to understand the mechanism. Also, I could not figure out which shell types are going through fences/light walls and still hit enemy, and which are not
This is a really good idea!
You can google WOT Guru Shell Mechanics and Shell Types until Skill4ltu has made a video.
Keep in mind anything starting with AP will go through objects while anything starting with HE will explode on first collision.
Penetration of APCR goes down the farer the shell travels but APCR is the fastest shell type.
HEAT will be much slower but provides highest penetration and does not loose pen over distance.
Penetration of AP goes down as well over distance but not as much as APCR, its mostly faster than HEAT but slower than APCR its additionally mostly the cheap standard round.
Overmatching means no matter what angle you hit its autopen as long as your caliber is greater than 3x nominal armor thickness you will penetrate, meaning roof or engine deck of tank is 30 mm anything greater 90mm gun will auto pen even if you just touch it in very flat angle.
For normalization and spaced armor please read the proposed guide too much to type on my phone 😂
@@user-py4ni7qs1b HE now can go through objects like AP, HEAT will explode on first contact.
There's already a shell type video from Wargaming that explains why. It's outdated when it talks about the HE shell but all the others are spot on.
@@ishark_ I forgot they changed that, strange they chose to change HE but not HEAT, it's good though if it means people have to think a bit.
26:13receive hit for 552HP( initial roll exclude the fire) and do 552HP in return to WZ, that's some amazing coincidental RNG.
It looks like the tier 7 hull really holds this tank back, and it doesn't even get the rockets like the tier 7 gets
Haven't played this game in a while, but I still watch Skill.
Skill's accent turns American at 11:13 😂😂
"Baza" love it xD
nice video fella, kepp on the good work
This seems to be a platoon vehicle where you have people to support you or for 3 of them to just delete 1500 hp off a tank quickly.
That first pause and laugh was priceless 😅
Thanks Skill ... watching your review I'm glad I picked up the Kunze Panzer and the improved equipment piece out of this BP season, saving the other points for later in the year.
Hi dear Skill... When ever in 'one on one situatuion' someone sidescräpes or wigle their turret and move their tank back and fort like some little children do when they rock their head, I just wait and fire when it fails... may take some time, but always as hilarious as ever... :)... Especially in very short ranges and while wigling they often expose their drive wheel and it's good night for them:P
"Is a...comfortable tank that doesn't claim to be the best..." = It is a pile of shait in Wargammingnese.
I like how the tank goes from 1 MoE to 3 over the course of the video.
I like that wargaming is teaching players how to play heavy tanks. This video is for all the players who maybe don't even watch any streams. So teaching how to play a heavy tank in an official video is a great tactic.
It reminds me a lot of the 50TP.
Bec the turret is basically the 50tp turret.
Thank you skill- mucho apreciato!
Skill: Who has better reactions? Skill at 2am or the SConq at 2am?
WoT: BC Arty at 2am
Also: Maybe not a heavy tank. I think if they marketed this as a big medium tank that'd be fine.
Skill4lt 2023 : fully busted gun handling at least on my opinnion =uses ventsystem, gun rammer, improved aim :DDD
Watching this wargaming with you is nice because you dont lie to us
For a second there I thought the board in the background said "How to pay to win", coffee still working in..
On the NA server you will find these tanks always in the TD positions because everyone plays like they are in a TD even when they are not.
NA issue.
What I got just from the promo - kaku pen, kaku dispersion, and it burns from front as well. Well, at least I'm getting the unvarnished truth.
No competition with E-75 other than its a reward tank.
It doesn't mention that its got a permanent repair kit (with extra 5% to repair speed) like the other tier 9 reward tanks.
It looks like brother of 50TP Tyszkiewicz, also surprised for honesty of WG in the movie XD.
....face expression, impeccable.... nice video
judging by the video...if you don't have a good crew, good equipment, you can't use this tank and its biggest advantage in my opinion, which is SPEED! the bottom plate is larger, but many forget that 1.20.1 brings moving pieces of concrete as blockers and similar things... you should definitely try it, give it a chance!
its not a premium and a tier9 , its pointless to play it. Just sell it for credits.
Hey Skill, but how is the rating when you compare BZ-58-2 with his brethren also available for BP tokens? Is it better than Obj777-II to name one.
Thank you very much. You definitely saved me some money.
You mean bp tokens.
Can this tank serve as a trainer for other crews like regular prems?
Yes
Siemanko Cebulaki 30:02
WG learnt from their mistake to release good bp tanks in the 1st season so that would never happen again XD.
Hy skill you mention a mod with your aimig circle is much more smaller..Could you tell me which mod is that and wher can i download..Thanks anyway
Thx for video King. Im prety sure i dont wont this tank.
Does it only strike me, the fact that while struggling to get some nice battles for the presentation video, WG actually 3-marked the tank ? :D :D :D
Mobility improvement system will go a long way on this tank
So what's happening with experimental equipment?
26:14 same damage lol
Thanks for making me save tokens!
good tank
It reminds me of a 50TP but from Wish
It's good to also have average tanks in the game that won't promote a toxic playstyle. So would you prefer Lorraine 50t before BZ-58-2?
Hi! Compared to 50TP czech T9 heavy? It looks like th BZ has the same turet, but weaker hull.
Except polish guy has weak driver hatch. And lower plate is similar in size.
Hi Skill, thanks for the review. Now I know this tank is not for me, will spend my tokens on something better instead. One more thing, since this tank seems to be a photocopy Polish tier 9 50TP heavy tank, it would be nice to know how this tank stacks up against its Polish inspiration!
seems like a derpy gun but with better aimed acc how ever the armor of the polish is far superior.
BZ has slightly worse alpha with slightly better gun handling, slightly faster, with 100 less HP and a good amount worse hull armor. Pretty balanced trade offs imo
Lowerplate is bigger then turret lmao.
Mailand calls it a T7 tank at T9^^
me laughing in Jagdpanzer E100 with full Heat loadout 🤣
skiel i think ventilation is mandatory over this tank, vent+imp aiming+ rammer, otherwise RNG gonna kill you over this tank
Looks like a fine and balanced tank...Meanwhile the BZ-176 has better armor and alpha than this at TIER 8...GG WG 🙄
Looks like a reskin of polish tier 9 HT, or is it just me?
So let me get this one straight: This is a heavy tank, from the BZ line of china, which is a line of heavy tanks WITH boosters, but somehow this one doesn't have boosters. Instead TT-130 czech heavy has them. What went wrong WG ?
Skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil we want to see Kpz 03 project 7!
did u notice that during the WG video the tank gets more and more stars on its gun...its like during the video you see how the tank gets 3rd mark
The whole cupola thing is stupid to me, body shots, hull shots these things make sense, but blowing up a tank because you repeatedly hit its cupola just seems stupid
pls tell me how WOT is doing calculations? reload time 15.1 ...... 2066 dpm? 15.1X4 is 60.4 sec.... more then minute! so he fires 3 times per min
Finally :)
If it was a premium, it would have no weakspots in fronts, 10kph higher top speed, better stats over all.
no since the other tier 9 prem tanks suck ass imho
Spall-liner, the most underrated improvement in the game.
You become the craziest ram-mothertrucker in the world of tanks. 3 players in a squad, with spall liners and no respect for human life can punch through the frontline before the italian medium have reloaded their 2nd clip.
Its freaking awesome. But it needs aggressive plays and a team to back it up. Preferably a team that ALL use spall liners.
you know its gonna be 3 minute game when you see 3x KV-5 platoon incoming in the tier 8 MM xD
@@wahnwitz26 depends on the MM, especially if there is a lot of TD. It can either work gloriously or failed epicaly
how I hate platoons like you described, doing something stupid, getting farmed fast and game ends in 3-4 minutes, but at least you had fun, right....
@@durachoks I prefer it when its not done stupid.
But either way, youre right.
Why play if it isnt fun?
Mhhm it's not op and i think this tank does not look too bad. I hope i can try it out myself soon.
Hi skill! great video! In my opinion BZ-58-2 its a chinese copypaste of polish 50TP
It felt like the video script was written using chat gpt
LOL lower plate bigger than elc XDDDDD
Tank looks AMAZING, so it will average about 4K per game :P
This tank is an E75 from wish or allyexpress
what is the reticule mode please ?
its in his description. It shows accurate size of reticle instead of the fake bloomed one.
At least this tank should go not nerfed in next 5-10 years. :-)
This tank od not the same bz like VIII Tier didnt have rocket booster back..
When people know where to shoot, this tank is going to get sit on by tier 8 pre 🤣
Skieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
Question: is it better than Lorraine 50 t ?
I think it's hard to compare, since they seem to have different playstyle, so more of a personal preference.
a faster 50tp with almost same gun
Hi skeeeeel 😂❤❤
Skill but this tank is a bz58 whit the 50 Tp turet
Hey, guys! Isn`t it a copy of Polish 50 TP??
Day4:O-Ho
SKIeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
No rockets ... 😅
I really wish when you were testing new tanks you would use them with a new crew as well so you actually see The play in ability of the tank itself and not relying on aX7 Cruise skills.
I think this tank without v stab (should be bounty tho) is simply unplayable , so v stab , rammer, and improved confiq
The game does need faster heavy tanks.. since new meta is speed.. yah that armor.. It could be German.. 😊 maybe play sniper snitzel to find its strength...
anyone else surprised that a BZ does NOT have rockets?
IMHO - so what is the 'reward' value of the BZ-58-2?
Thanks for this review..and ...Keep up the great work Skill
Rewarded with the hugest lower plate 🎉😂 Also thought it would have some rockets like people assumed 😮
@@rawbin2K IKR?
Free large repairs + crew trainer.
@@Eshelion yup!
You are too harsh about hull armour imho, most of the tier IX HT's hull armour looks like this with just few exeptions, for example there is still Mauschen and Type 4 Heavy whose are being weakspot themselves xD This armour with this mobility is pretty much enough for me, but what's the most important the tank is balanced.
I have 303 gold pene. Like tier TEN IS7😅
Plot Twist: This is a Tier IX vehicle. Tier VI can never hit you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Are these games played with bond equipment and full crew skills? Can you please use standard equipment so that what we see is real. Thanks. Or, am I the only one that doesn't have bond equipment on everything? 🤣
Its tier 9 60tp
Going to skip this, Good Video Skill
Wow, WG not talking TOTAL BS about the new tank, not completely accurate of course! And you can tell Skill is struggling to not call it trash :P
Yeah, but it seems to me Skill just had prejudice, it doesn't look that horrible - sure, you have to take your time to aim, but when close it matters less and alpha is nice.
This is a 50tp
50tp from Wish
i will reach 24 tokens very soon. In your opinion, would you choose the Cobra over this if you were a good player?
100% cobra but must be very very calm with cobra...like tvp t50/51
obv Cobra, its not very good, but its fun cliping tanks for 2k occasionally :D
Apart from having the cobra already, from the stats of the BZ alone, the cobra is much better and more fun too
fire from front????? wtfffff
So its just a chineese 50tp xD
WG know how to sell their stuff
hey a mediocre reward tank. i cant believe it. WG dangling those carrots, sure theyre a bit rotten, but at least theyre "free" carrots.
2400 bonds? or BZ-58-2?
Tank! Bonds you earn trough game😉
I would get the bonds, unless is a tank that i'm interested in it. I don't collect garbage.
Imo just get the bonds, so u are 2.4k bonds closer to a decent/good bonds tank. Most likely they will sell this BZ again on next season battlepass but with reduced token price.
what exactly is he talking about?
Why nobody uses V.Stab anymore???
Getting your shots out accurately and so much faster is that bad???
Not having any gun handling booster on the tank and keep yelling on it, I simply won't.
Is it me or is thus just a 50tp dupe
wow 50tp but...chinese very unique and interesting lmao