Pippa Talks Creepy Aesthetics and Ethical Issues in Film
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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In this captivating video, Vtuber Pipkin Pippa dives into a discussion about the eerie atmosphere of Tim Burton's "Alice in Wonderland." Pippa points out that certain characters, despite being portrayed by adult actors, give off an underaged vibe, adding to the overall bizarre and discomforting feel of the movie.
As the conversation progresses, a viewer in the chat asks Pippa for her thoughts on the controversial film "Cuties." Pippa doesn't hold back her disgust, criticizing the movie for its use of young children in inappropriate and compromising situations. She condemns the exploitation of minors for the sake of "art" and expresses her deep concern over how such content could be normalized or even praised by some segments of the entertainment industry.
Pippa's passionate rant against "Cuties" resonates strongly with her audience, reinforcing her stance on protecting the innocence of children in media. Through her candid discussion, she encourages viewers to critically evaluate the content they consume and to be mindful of the ethical implications behind its creation. This video not only showcases Pippa's insightful commentary but also highlights her dedication to addressing important and sensitive topics head-on.
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Exactly.
Cuties are not meant for public.
@@Jonathanloh1992 That French poison is not meant to exist.
@@Jonathanloh1992 Then why was it on Netflix?
Pretty much the problem with all of humanity. But at least Pippa is just mistaken on Alice, and not malicious. She remains consistent.
Hard agree with Pippa on child beauty pagents; It's fucking weird to dress up your daughter like a barbie doll and parade then around like a thing to be judged. I've noticed from the clips I've seen that a lot of the moms see it as a way for THEM to recieve notoriety, fame and money, by living vicariously through their daughters.
"My daughter is a beauty queen, and it's because of ME. I did that!" That kinda shit. Gross. Also Tim Burton is mid, American McGee's Alice ftw.
There's a lot of way the mothers can basically get away with child exploitation/labour laws. It's all "cute" and "not serious" yet then the mom sees said daughter as a threat when they get into their teens. That's either one or both of them crashout and become a true crime case.
Can't the same be said for Boys getting put into sports? If that's okay, why Girls Beauty Pageants bad. 🤷
Made a comment here and it's gone. 😑
Here's your problem Pippa, Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland sucked.
Liveaction Dumbo for example.
The only good Alice is American Mcgee’s.
@@kungfukitten6735Based
@@kungfukitten6735came here to comment this.
Ironically, that iteration is MUCH darker.
@kungfukitten6735 Counterpoint, Black Souls
Tim Burtons Alice in Wonderland took place quite literally in her late teens early 20s. They literally referred to the "old alice". She basically thought that her trips to Wonderland were just vivid dreams. So when she went back to Wonderland, she didn't remember much of it until the end of the movie. So while yes, it's extremely creepy that the dude creeper on Alice, she was of age and the experience is never once portrayed in a positive light
From my understanding, the real problem with cuties is the very development of the movie could not possibly be more antithetical to the message it was supposedly attempting to convey. If the film is supposed to teach young girls that they are more than just objects of s****l desire, what exactly did it teach the HUNDREDS of girls who didn't make the cut when they were dirty dancing in front of a panel of adults during audition? What did it teach the girls who starred in the movie when they were paid an undoubtedly handsome sum of money to learn to dance like that in front of a camera? So in reality, it's an exploitative, disgusting disgrace of a film that absolutely should not have been made and everyone involved in production should be investigated (although none of them have been).
Oh yeah, and Tim Burton's Alice kinda just sucked, I guess.
I always said that this movie is equivalent to making snuff film to say violence is bad.
I agree about the child beauty contests. There's something wrong with the parents involved in that activity.
narcissism
The movie was ass but it's clearly meant to be a sequel of sorts to the original books. Alice has grown-up, they're trying to hitch her off to this snobbish ginger, the people in Wonderland wonder if she's the real Alice. Also the Knave is supposed to be an asshole.
If anything, I remember being weirded out at the strange sexual tension between Alice and the Hatter, a character that met her when she was still a child. The way they keep staring longingly and whispering to each other throughout the whole movie. It always put me off.
Pippa is not really wrong.
I just don't put fictional characters on the same category of creepiness when it comes to that sort of stuff.
Fictional characters make it weird but it doesn't involve real people.
A show like Cuties sounds like it tried to tell one story but whoever filmed and edited it wanted to tell a very different story.
I dont get it. The movie is bad, period, but Alice was an adult in the movie and she was wearing a common dress of the era.
There is nothing "child" in the movie.
Kids perceive things differently.
Pippa is just having her schizo moment as said in the video. 😂
@@AzeharaCh Everyone perceives things differently.
I love how somehow everyone in this comment section either forgot or ignored the fact that pippa said "it made me feel uncomfortable as a child, but if i rewatched it now I'd think it's whatever."
She still made her statements.
Yeah people when it came out said cuties was just discussing sexualization of children my problem is you can talk about that shit WITHOUT SHOWING IT.
Yeah, don't put a spotlight on child harm by harming real children.
The issue with Cuties is mainly in camera angles and scene direction, where it gets very exploitative. You could have done the same plot, even the same costumes, but with different cinematography and scene direction to make it way less grotesque.
I think pippa just misunderstood Tim Burton’s Alice because she was young. Don’t get me wrong, the movie sucks ass through a straw, but the plot revolves around Alice being too old to have childlike wonder anymore. Which probably makes her a young adult. And I think her parents were trying to marry her off at the beginning and end of the movie. So she’s probably 17 or 18.
If it was medieval time that would have been 14
My criteria is:
1. Children shouldn't be involved in any kind of show business. It's a dangerous environment that exposes kids to all kinds of abuse (SA, financial, emotional, drugs, etc.)
2. If only adults are involved then anything goes
First one is debatable. Child Actor's, Singers etc for example.
Second I agree with. Remember those horror movie shows about adults acting as high schoolers?
2:09
"The entire story is just an exploration of childlike innocence and wonder."
No actually it was written as satire by a cynical mathematician to express his disdain for 'theoretical' fields of math.
The story is literally a mathematical diss track.
Just dont involve real children in anything that can be construed as sexual
That's a very vague statement. Almost anything can be sexual. 😂
Can we just talk about how the lighting in the game is affecting her as well. That's impressive.
That's just a feature of VTubeStudio, everyone can do that if they want to.
@@legokirbymanchannel not many use it.
@@AzeharaCh True. Also my response just vanished for no reason.
The only, and I mean, the only time I've ever seen something like what Pippa is talking about, (in live action) and thought it was even remotely ok, was Leon The professional.
Like Leon is a hitman so he's not a "good" guy to begin with, just to start it's supposed to be a morally grey movie.
Matilda is the one who has a quite blatant crush on Leon (and seeing as he saved her life from corrupt cops, and her entire family was a dysfunctional mess to the point she doesn't understand what familial love is, it's kinda understandable.) but Natalie Portman is never explicitly naked or anything like what happens in Cuties.
More to the point Leon as a character is depicted as extremely slow emotionally and socially. (High functioning sociopath/possibly autistic, like this guy sleeps sitting up in a chair, and hasn't seen a movie made after 1980.) He overtly rejects her advances once aware of them, and for a long time was completely oblivious.
There's only one point where he says/does anything close to reciprocating, and it's right at the end where the corrupt cops have a SWAT team raid Leon's apartment. He tells her that he loves her and kisses her once before she's able to escape. Leon then goes on to kill himself and the corrupt cop, so that's penance paid if he genuinely was perving on her, while also ensuring said cop can't go after her anymore. Even then, throughout the movie, Leon did his best to be more of a positive figure in her life. I mean, like, he got her to stop smoking.
Burton's version is more like a sequel to the original story, the point of the story is in the real world she's being betrothed, so she's reached the point where she can no longer be childish and needs to grow up, thats the point of her visiting wonderland and the characters represents her wishes and concerns, the queen's knight represents how Alice has received male attention in a way Alice doesn't understand yet.
The visuals are a bit unsettling but I never really saw Alice as a child. Pippa saw it as a kid so maybe that was her perception.
@@AzeharaCh I agree it's pretty weird, probably doesn't translate well for a child watching, but I don't think it's a Sus film, the Tom Hanks film "Big" is much more Sus, especially the ending
The issue with Cuties is they used real kids instead of using adults. The same message could be made using adults.
they could also just have shown people be shocked not shown the children doing the shows or having the children watching the shows
I think it wouldn't be that bad if the movie had been more open on how bad the stuff is
Nah, while the issue goes away, it doesn't disappear. Why? Bc a movie about kids twerking without the kid actors, is still a movie about wanting kids to twerk. If you don't want to see it, don't promote it either. The movies about being punk and not conforming no? Plenty of other ways to show that.
I think had they used adults to push a similar messasge it would still be creepy as fuck.
@@AzeharaCh the message was that the seggsualization of kids is a problem. They could’ve made that same message without actually seggsualizing real kids.
They brought awareness to the problem but did it themselves to do it. It’s like bringing awareness to self-unaliving by pushing someone to self-unalive on camera.
I thought that this version of Alice in Wonderland was supposed to be an Alice who was returning to Wonderland years later.
It was, she had grown up and forgotten her role in changing the original wonderland. Her return was supposed to herald a coming apocalypse which she promised to avert by defeating the Jabberwocky at a specific time and place.
@@Wearywastrel yes you remember correctly and I really loved that premise when I watched the movie years ago
@@ms.blackfire2927 thanks, I only seem to remember books and movies for some reason. I still call the people I work with "bro" 😅
Yeah, child beauty pageants are super creepy..
Indeed it is, needs to be banned
And exploitative. It is made to have the moms vicariously live through their offspring.
very
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo VERY exploitative. Ingraining this notion that you need to dress-up (or down, in some cases) to impress and please others is a really sad thing to do for a child, not only in the present but the future.
Reminds me of the South Park parody of it where the cops keep arresting the male judges
Wasn't it a major plot point of those movies that Alice was in Wonderland as a child, came back, repressed those memories, and is now back canonically as an adult?
You forget Alice is Victorian England marrying age not modern marrying age
this film is the epitome problem of diversity hiring...this only took off because Netflix and the people behind the scenes wanted to celebrate a Black female director...and she released something so disgusting but no one wanted to say anything in fear of being the racist and sexist one that's "trying" to hold her back...
Goes to show how out of touch with reality these people are if they're fine with releasing something so disgusting as long as it fills in the correct checkboxes.
@@inendlesspain4724 I know, I laugh because if a straight white man were to release a film oversexualizing underaged girls, he would be take down SO freaking fast and then immediately investigated for past crimes involving underaged, but nope this is a black woman so she must be celebrated! I couldn't even stomach the idea this was happening, I was against wokeness before but I knew this movie made me see that I can't simply stand by, I have to keep speaking out against it no matter how long it takes
Tim Burtons alice in wonderland movie came out 14 years ago, Im so old I just accept knowledge like this
1.5 - 2 decades feels like nothing sometimes.
4:17 im pretty sure he WAS portraying the character as bad. Specifically suggesting he was so pathetically fetish driven and lacking any degree of loyalty that he was hitting on alice
2:56 Pippa is based for defending Lolis. But i disagree on the Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland "Child Coded" statements. Kinda sounding like the Antis who hate on Lolis. The actress there and the character is adult despite the original story being about a child main character. Also, what is the Origin of Alice in Wonderland? A Book? Or an Old Television show? If its a book, that basically defends Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland Show. It's no longer "child coded", its malleable as a story since its Fictional from the beginning.
Exactly. The issue is pippa has been made use to the idea that Alice is a child. Alice the madness returns literally has her as a teenager, not a small child. It’s just the issue of being used to media in 1 form and not being to adaption to it. Sort of like how live action westernisations of anime always media SUCK AS, if watched in isolation they’re not great but they aren’t awful but if watched knowing the anime as context they suck ass.
yuuuup
She's probably only defending it because she is one. I'm sure she thinks men who watch anime with lolis are pedos too.
Democrats defended cuties but dejected sounds of freedom. That should tell you something.
Agreed sounds of freedom is a serious current battle we have right now
???
Both are dumbass movies with ethical problems.
@@VainSick Sound of freedom exposes a huge massive problem we give a blind eye to. Maybe your partaking in trafficking if you think sound of freedom is an ethics problem and not an evil that needs to be taken more seriously.
@@VainSick 1 defends children, the other demeans them. What kind of political glue do you have to be huffing if you think a movie calling out obvious evil within the world of trafficking is somehow bad. The mental gynmastics astound me.
We need more pics of Pippa in bikinis!
Need to play with the Ai for that
Huh never noticed Pippa's model darkens when the screen does so she fits in the scene better.
That's so cool!
Personally as a kid i enjoyed how wacky Tim Burton's Alice was. I got into Alice and read the actual books from them.
I understand what Pippa is saying but I don't really agree with it. Since even in the movie it's explicitly shown she's not a child as with the marriage thing but also it being a sort of "sequel" to the books.
Of all these, child beauty pageants are the creepiest for putting makeup on children to make them look older.
On the whole Alice thing. It might have been intentional, it is a story of a woman entering adulthood and people being creeps is a sad part of it.
But then again that movie failed on all fronts
If you're trying to "make a point", there need to at least be hints or allusions to that being the case. Otherwise, it just across as the writer being a total creep, even if the original intention is to DEMONIZE creeps.
@@Gibby34340the entire opening of the movie is literally a metaphor for growing up?????
Its not even an allusion or hint the movie says flat out thats what its doing.
and the worst thing about Cuites its the lower end of French exploitative Cinema
Why are the french like that?
@@imtheman84I wonder this too while watching the Olympics this year. Why are the French like this?
Shoujo Ramune is pretty goated, ngl
Bruh....
name checks out at least
@@MarioMartinez-jf1eo 😂😂😂😂
Go outside and touch grass
So THATS the name!
Alice in wonderland represents child innocence Alice is the child in the story so she represents the innocence.
Also Cuties was made by and for Child Predators just look at the directs and the people who funded it track records
The director is a convicted predator.
6:12 I just noticed her model reflects the light shown on the screen. cool shit
Alice is a women in those movies, the idea is that she is the same Alice from the books but grown up. Pippa acting like a schizo
Well… there is little to no ethical in documentary work, there a reason why smut and mondo films exist
Importantly she's played by an adult. Something cuties should''ve done.
I hate the term "child coded" I hate "coded" in it's modern variation but here's the thing. Pippa's logic here (and I do really love her content) sucks. She says "I didn't care if they are aged up to adults here it's still a story about childhood.
...... Pippa those are adults. YOUR feelings about what you feel the characters are "coded" as matters far less than what the story is actually saying. That's like making a post Alice in wonderland where Alice is 30 going through similar things and going "NOPE STILL A CHILD!" That's very much Twitter Anti logic.
Completely agree, it’s your average twitter take.
Tthe contemporary usage of "coded" is great! It's a remarkably useful and incisive word/concept. But Pippa's way off base here. It's not her logic that's flawed, though; it's her basic perception and analysis of the film. Alice, in Tim Burton's version, is simply *not* child-coded. She's explicitly coded as a young woman, at youngest a late teen. Unlike Lewis Carroll's original, it's a coming of age story, and the character coding is consistent with that. The elements of romance and sexuality support and are in fact essential to the coming of age theme.
I don't think it's a particularly good movie, but it's not crypto-pedo "creepy" in the sense Pippa claims.
She saw the movie as a kid. I can understand where the fuckup comes from
@@AzeharaCh Nah I get that. Just infuriates me because the term "coded" is thrown around a lot by Twitter Freaks and Anti's and makes me want to sepuku. I don't blame her for how she feels. And I'm glad she kinda clarified later on.
@@AzeharaCh And? That doesn't excuse her bad statements she made now as an adult. 🤷
Part of me wonders now how she'd feel about the American McGee Alice games.
I enjoyed the first one so much back in middle school.
I think I get what she was trying to say… rabbit sister-wife finds words very hard.
This feels like that weird thing normies do of trying to find pedos under every rock possible, except hollywood where they actually are.
I’m assuming she hasn’t seen the movie since she was a kid, probably forgot a lot of the film aside from a few parts, and is still seeing the movie through that undeveloped child brain lens where they can’t really separate two depictions of the same character, so, even though Alice is 19 in the live-action version and doesn’t really do much to be childlike, because she’s wearing a blue dress Pippa still thinks of her as she was in the 1951 movie where she’s a 7 year old child.
Personally i don't mind when themes like pedophilia are used in media as long as it's done with a clear intention to portray a character, group, or even a societal standard as the one in the wrong it's when these themes are treated as simple jokes or are even excusing them that it becomes a very serious matter as it can easily trivialize these topics and makes it harder to push back on in real life.
Regardless I don't think it's a bad trait to see these topics and to question why they're there since it shows how much you as a individual care about the people that are effected by these themes.
I think the problem with Cuties is that they are actually showing child exploitation plus I've seen legitimate pedophiles defend it by saying "now I'm not a pedophile" then they got on to say the most pedo shit they could this was on youtube too.
I think Pippa is misremembering the Nave of Hearts scene; it was very much framed as a creepy semi-SA moment. iirc he got her alone and pinned her to the wall. So I guess the scene worked as intended.
Jesus, this really shows Pippa's age. She must be a 2000s baby.
mid 90s baby
@@YuSooKey Tim Burton's Alice was released in 2010. Assuming her definition of being a kid is below 12, Pippa might be born at least around the end of the 90s.
I can definitely understand the argument with Alice. The fact is that most of us know Alice in Wonderland from the disney film or the book where she is a child, so our minds associate Alice with being a child. No matter how much they age her up, it's gonna feel weird and gross sexualizing her because that association still exists.
As a kid I saw her more like a teenager, but then again, I saw most "kid" characters (whether animated or live-action) as teenagers for some reason.
Also, Japan has a huge thing with sexualizing Alice lol, I think even CLAMP made a yuri story based on Alice in Wonderland.
Sounds like a skill issue, Alice isn’t real, she could be a 600ft ape man with a dragon head and it would still be Alice.
The point is Alice is a concept not a person, as long as the character fits the general parameters of the Themes and Genre and Artistic intentions of Adapting the original story she can be aged up.
@@VainSick I wasn't trying to argue that she's incapable of being aged up. Changes are what make interpretations unique. All I'm saying is that if you take a character who is traditionally presented as a child, age them up to 18, and then have a character come along and say "awooga you are triggering my oddly specific fetish," you can't then turn around and say everyone else is being weird for finding that off-putting.
I'm reminded of Allan Moore's " lost girls." Which in a way, is about him, and his wife subverting the childhood innocents trope
Just so people are clear, I'm pretty sure Lewis Carroll's alleged pdf filea is just that, alleged. An understandable interpretation, but not definitive.
He asked a ten year old's parents if he could marry her and he took a naked photo of her when she was seven.
@@mimae2240 the marriage bit is speculation, and isn't confirmed. And the photograph is, like I said, an understandable oddity. I think it can easily be seen as evidence of PDF filia. The arguments to the contrary are based around the fact that the past was a different place, and child nudity was seen as innocent and not sexual. I personally have doubts, but there is precedence. Most people don't think it's sexual to see a toddler running around naked, and while the whole Nirvana naked baby album cover was controversial, I don't think it's commonly accepted that Nirvana are pdf files because of it. But it's definitely creepy by modern standards, and for all I know it was creepy back then, too. I don't know.
So Pippa is telling us that in 2010 she was 12 or under. The film was rated PG which means that it was her parent’s responsibility to explain the movie to her as it wasn’t made for her as an audience. Also, Alice spends the better part of the film trying to convince the denizens of Wonderland that she’s not THAT Alice. She’s a young woman and never been there before. Obviously Pippa missed all that while mesmerized by the visuals which tells me she was 10 or younger. It’s a shame that her experience was tainted. This shows you how a childhood experience can shape your opinions into adulthood. Sad but, it’s not her fault how she feels. The creepy part was adult fun that wasn’t explained to her, if she could’ve understood at that age. No one tell her that in the 1970s there was a childlike looking actress that starred in an X rated Alice musical.
Kind of an L take from Pippa. Tim Burton has always done very uncomfortable and creepy things in movies. I mean. That's his whole shtick. Alice with Adults Movie is not really comparable to Cuties or Beauty Pageants which she is right about. They should be ended. Bringing your kids to church in formal wear was what you were supposed to do to show off how great your kids were.
I can't tell if pippa got the fact that I was saying that sarcastically. I love pippa but legit defending "child-coded" arguments is cringe.
I'm kinda getting mad at the alphabet people coming in and trying to legit water down the accusations of Pedophilia with stuff like 'child coded' and such because it's deliberately trying to turn Accusations of it into he same as Nazi accusations. The issue is is that Nazis don't exist anymore but Pedos do.
I don't care about 'OMG, that girl is 17 ,years, 11 months and 29 days old!! He's a kiddy diddler!' stuff. That's American beauty bs. Its creepy and gross and wrong but it's not on the same level as some guy wanting to defile and pervert an 11 year old.
Man, I didn't even notice that about Tim Burton's/Disney Live Action Alice. I was too busy fuming that it made so much damn sense. They took a nonsense story with layers of mathematical allegory and whimsy and made it deadly serious, dark, and gritty. It was unbelievably bad.
Weird take about Alice in Wonderland, but I guess I can see the point? I forgot if it had a specific name, but I remember that back somewhere in the 1900's there were performances for older men where a woman would dress up like a child and act like one.
However I don't think that scene was supposed to have a pervy intent to it, if I remember the scene correctly (It's been a while) it felt more like it was supposed to be slightly comedic but the actress playing Alice always seems to be deadpan so it's hard to tell how we're supposed to take the scene.
Intent and execution can mean a lot, the director of Cuties can claim to have wanted to shine a light on child exploitation all she wants but the way she did it ironically made her do the very thing she's apparently against. Now these poor girls are forever going to be the actresses that starred in Cuties in a world where people make countdowns to a girls 18th birthday.
If Cuties were an animation then maybe it wouldn't be as illegal.
If it was everyone would be uohing out of respect.
So....basically Big Mouth?
@@zalla00 I mean, the only people who complain about "child sexualization" in that show is the western animation community, which is currently a huge césspool of antis. Everyone else just hates how disgusting the show looks and, worse yet, how it keeps getting new seasons while far better shows get cancelled.
When you've grown up with the books and the Disney movie it's hard to see Alice as anything other than a child so I get what Pippa is saying. Although the creepy pervy knight is the least of that movie's problems lol, Tim Burton really fell off after Corpse Bride.
I feel like pippa might be conflating the tim burton movies and the american mcgee games, both do have a darker take on the story, but its mcgee games that go the extra mile
Pippa ”coombrain” Pipkin
This is definitely a rant of all time
A rant some take issue with because they just can't accept that Pippa is being schizo again.
I think pippa missed the scene where it shows.This is alice's second time in wonderland.
Pippa shitting on kid beauty pageant's is universally accepted in that it deserves to be criticized as a mistake and nothing more.
Even cartoons whether kid or adults shits on childs beauty talents
Idk, giantess Mia Wasikowska had me actin' up when I saw the movie.
Child beauty pageants still exist?...
Woodchippers still exist too
Sorry, but this is kinda dumb. There was o indicator Mia was childcoded or whatever (whole "-coded" concept is just plain dumb to me, it's just an excuse for reviewers and other weirdos to see stuff in movie that is not there and either be offended about it or praise it) in that Alice movie, heck it was even hinted she returned to Wonderland YEARS after her first visit, we can even see her as a child in the flashbacks, and whole first act is about her being married off to weird ginger dude. I mean, Pippa of course can have her own feelings towards the movie and they are valid, but it's a terrible starting point for a discussion about Hollywood exploiting child actors or whatever.
Yeah, getting weirded out by a character getting aged up to an adult (even if done in live-action) is nothing compared to the absolute degeneracy going on behind scenes in Hollywood, or even the child beauty pageant stuff brought up in the same video.
Like Charlie once said, "it's not even comparable".
We need to make her watch it again to see if she's misremembering stuff or if she's being serious
Coz of the flashbacks and stuff where they say she's actually older now in lore and not just an actor playing a child character
If Pippa were using real "Hollywood goggles", she wouldn't see anything creepy or unethical in these things...
And I remember reading some comments from the film's (Cutie) director-writer. And I really believe she meant well. But either some other people in the production had "other things" in mind, or it was an absolute accidental failure.
Those pageant things are terrible. Those make me grimace too. Luckily we don't have them here.
It's kinda like the modern Lolita (the original book). the writer intended it to be anti-PDFs but because it's a story about someone actively getting groomed you can read it as PDF fiction.
@@alineylikwes Lolita is a case where you have to ignore what the story is about for you to take it as PDF fiction though. It's not that difficult to understand. But alas, people tend to go for surface level. Even the publishers put sexual themed covers for the book.
It reminds me of Paradise Lost. If you read it, it's very clear that the protagonist is a bad guy, but a lot of people take it to mean this was supposed to be a criticism of God and reverence to Satan.
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Peak fiction mentioned😂
I actually got Macrophilia fetish because of that Alice in Wonderland movie and it's an interesting take she has?
I loved that movie a lot, it was one of the few good live action Disney movie, that Disney has made, because it took the story of Alice in Wonderland and said "instead of recreating the story in live action we are gonna set this film years later in the story" and I really like that, so it's no longer a childhood wonder film, it's more dark, more edgy.
and to talk about the specific thing about how some guy in the movie (I don't remember this because I haven't watched the movie in a long time) perved on Alice? I'm like? I don't think that's a big problem? because yeah she is a adult in the movie, because this movie takes place in her young adult Hood when she's just about to get married she gets into Wonderland again
Bache from Azur Lane comes to mind when Pippa brought up the booty shorts as that character wears those.
Best character in that game. So tight and sexy
10/10 Mesugaki face.
@@CherryponutOMG FACTS
@@mehiloll 😭😭😭 I can't wait for her new figure to come out next year.
Remember how in Beetlejuice, another Tim Burton film, Beetlejuice tried to marry a teenage girl?
Based
To be fair, Beetlejuice was a blatant creep and the "bad guy" of the movie from the start. It would be different if he was propped as some kind of tragic "misunderstood" victim, and there were excuses made for him. At least Burton didn't try to justify or normalize it, and it was weird and creepy despite also being portrayed comically.
70's 80's and 90' were way more liberal when it comes to kids and sussy shit. It was a different time.
I also seem to recall that the marriage was a ‘sham’ - his objective was to come back to life through the marriage, who the wife was kinda incidental. Beetle juice is still a mega-creep, but he wasn’t specifically after an underage girl, he just didn’t care she was underage.
@@just_a_sigma_rizzlerextremely based.
Pippa sounds different compared to other clips I've seen of her. Did she get a new mic or what's going on?
I think its a lingering side effect of covid should hopefully pass eventually
I love Black Souls
I'm going to Alice.
so clothes change age?.....sounds a lot like twitter anti talk pi pi, not child coded at all...this is a weird as fuck take and I like pippa....wtf is this logic?
Clothes change how a person is presented. Connecting sexuality to childlike qualities whether it be an adult wearing childish clothing or a child wearing adult clothing is kind of inappropriate. Children should not be looked at in that way.
@@legacysage if the person is an adult then it doesn't matter what they're dressed up in. This just the people on twix wanting to call a flat chested lady 'ped0 bait' cause they want to see a child in where there isn't one.
@@legacysage that sound like fashion policing and reaching pretty fucking hard. If it’s an adult it does t matter what they are wearing, they are an adult…period…full stop…end of discussion
@@BlueVenom9 Fashion policing. That's hilarious. No, the reality is that how you dress affects how you are percieved. It is how you are presenting yourself. It's how you assume a cop is a cop before they come up to you. How you can tell that construction worker wearing the fashionable vest on the side of the road is probably supposed to be there. It's why people in many professional occupations dress... professionally. It's because how you look matters. It affects peoples impressions and opinions of you.
There's no point in having a conversation if you're going to be morally disingenuous. If you can't observe this fact of reality then you are too far detached from it to save.
Humans make judgements based on what they percieve. Full stop. End of discussion.
@@legacysage be quite
While I can agree with her you shouldn't use real children in illicit situations. I disagree about adults playing fictional characters or that fictional characters are one for ones with real people. If you are a adult irl in doesn't matter what age the fictional character is you are a adult. For example Danny from GoT was 14 when she married Dorogo 16 Emmy's later. No one looked at Danny like she was a child nor did the character act like a child she was a adult. Honestly in this video her opinion about fiction appears to be more like the debunked violence in video game theory repackaged. The more she talks recently the more pro-censorship she sounds no such thing as ethics in a fictional show their are no victims. The argument she's making can very easily be used against her and her company..
Yooooo I’m in a clip!
You made it. Frame it.
"I'm not trying to pick a side, just trying to come at this in a neutral way" Pippa, do you realize that by staying neutral you are indeed picking a side?
the "anime is PDF ilic" crowd has adopted the "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality, there is no middle ground because of this.
Well. If you objectively present something terrible, it still looks terrible. It does not need extra vilification.
@@Juhno Normally I'd agree, but people claim all too often that something is objective when it's not.
When people say "anime is PDF ilic" They're trying to make a absolute statement, but "Anime is PDF ilic" like it's inherent is untrue, and you can't make an objective observation/statement from falsehoods. There are some questionable anime out there, sure, however that is far from the norm when it comes to this particular entertainment medium. It's worse too, cause this lie led to the deaths of 30+ innocent people in a studio arson.
Are we even watching the same video? She was talking about movies being centered around controversial topics being neutral by telling their stories without making it obvious if a subject is bad or not and just letting the audience draw their own conclusion/message, not anime.
Pippa is wrong about Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Alice is not child-coded. This movie is a "sequel", not a remake. This is Alice "returning" to Wonderland after she grew up into a woman. So it's not creepy at all. The movie itself is just creepy, but for other reasons 😂
that begining was such an weird take from pippa
@@JoaoPaulo-zd2qj These are very PDF file things to say, you two
@@xx-qv9tp how the fuck it's pdf to say that she equating a grown-up alice to the original alice it's weird ?
I mean to be fair Lewis Carroll was a weird guy himself.
And yes cuties looks wrong as hell putting 5 year olds in beauty contests . yikes
11-year-olds. Still wrong.
I recently beat Batman Arkham Asylum and was surprised to see that in Mad Hatter's backstory they removed any mention of this girl called Alice who he was madly in love with and even used his mind control technology on her when she rejected him. The game came out in 2009 but it seems like culture had already changed enough that having an allusion to Wonderland's Alice being creeped on (even though said character was an adult) was apparently going too far, which is ironic since otherwise that game was generally way edgier than Batman TAS (which did adapt that storyline) ever was, which is saying something.
After finishing both Arkham City and Arkham Knight, I take it back, this version of Mad Hatter is way darker than the TAS version.
Adult-themed beauty is always directed at sexual connotation even if it is not explicit and even it its considered "respectful clothing". Just think what "attractive" really means. Even make-up is something design to invoke sexual arousal in men (research about it if you don't believe it).
Kids in child-themed clothes are fine because those clothes invoke child-like cuteness, not sexualization.
Dressing a kid with "sexy clothing" or teaching them how to do "sexy dances" should be a crime for it attacks their God-given innocence. Let kids have their childhood left untouched, they can only have it once and they get either traumatized and/or sexually deviant if they aren't allowed to keep their innocence for at least that time period.
While I do feel it's very fucked up for a parent to turn their kid into a child beauty pageant for several reasons, the whole objectification thing doesn't concern me much, since usually (in other words I've never seen otherwise) the kids in these events end up looking ridiculous or downright fucking grotesque to the point it feels like it shouldn't be possible to do that bad of a job on accident.
Any normal kid is significantly cuter or prettier or any other possible existing metric of aesthetic pleasantness than any one of the kids in those, in fact I'd say putting your child in those kinds of costumes and make-up should count as a form of public humiliation.
So, you can explore some disturbing ideas in a book, because of how detached it is from reality. That's several degrees of separation from real life. ABDL stuff is creepy and disturbing for obvious reasons without being illegal.
Why is ABDL creepy and disturbing? What is so bad about consenting adults roleplaying?
I don’t really care for the “AB” part as much in the content I consume myself (usually Ao3), but I’ve never thought it as being anything more than “outside the norm”.
(Also, I’m referring to this done in explicit 16+ NSFW works. I’m legitimately disturbed whenever infantilism stuff appears in serious or child-oriented content. There’s a Tom and Jerry episode that does this and I hate it with a passion.)
That thumbnail was foul 😂
Yeah, the beauty pageant stuff is just going a little too far. I think the point of Cuties was to show the exploitative and cruel way that stuff is but they inadvertently did what they set out to destroy. I have a similar opinion to Moistcritical, you were trying to shed light on something but you committed the same acts doing so.
So Disney kids is bad. Yup i see you Britney Spears....and Justin timberlake.
To be fair most of these kids ended up messed up in some way or form and you can't really blame them, their parents enabled this.
@@AzeharaCh Jojo Siwa came to mind.
so many in the comments seem personally offended that she called a creepy movie creepy.
We are mad at the fact that she has to be talking about a different movie. Nothing she says applies to the movie.
I hate the live action movies too, but I’m 99% sure Alice was borderline adult in the sequel film, which is integral to the themes of the whole movie.
Someone trying to bring up American McGee's interpretation despite the fact that you learn what the antagonist was doing and you straight up kill his ass over it. Not even comparable to having random characters as self-inserts to thirst over Alice.
Crispin Glover also played a weird creepy guy in Charlie's angels too, I don't think that's coincidence since that's kind of how he's typecast.
Wouldn't she be hypocritical about an adult playing as Alice but okay with loli
One is irl the other is drawn so to her drawings are not real.
@@AzeharaCh but the way she was describing it, she not okay with it even though the movie made it clear it was a fast-forward in time but because the the original artwork and book made it to where she is a child that she is not okay with it
@@introvertstoner Honestly it's a really weird take, part of me was expecting her to start criticizing loli immediately after, even though I already knew she's fine with loli, since anti-loli people and "coded" people (which is what she's arguing for and even she admits it in the video) are often the same. But then again, she was more talking about how it made her feel when she watched it a child herself.
I disliked Tim Burton's Alice because it was boooring
I like the redditor pippa shes arguing with
Pippa's true form
I know pippa's point is that the original character is a child, but on the other hand, a lot of people are that immature, so you get the mind of a child in a grown up body. Doesn't disprove her point tho.
Hey, I'm the clip yay!!!
you made it
I remember that scene in tim burton’s Alice nWL movie, the scene through me off and was creepy. But not to the same degree with child coded stuff. But rather the two-face nature of it.
That maybe mroe die to my experience dealing with people, like friends one moment then right in front of the moment something they like is dangled in front of them. Just completely ignored there after… it’s creepy and unsettling for me how some disregards what used to be the one assume to be close to them for whatever reason and ditching them the next moment without hesitation.
Like that one person we’ve all met at one point, simping over one girl or guy, then immediately trades them off for another in that exact moment with no thought or hesitation.
Cuties… I never saw but a few shot previews I did see… I didn’t like the camera work and focus… it was off and more so with the supposed description. Plus honey boo boo existence in relation of subject was just… nooo. Then I heard and saw the crap about it online.
I think she knew at some point she'd buried herself, but couldn't help but keep digging.
Nah. Pippa L. She needs to remember the separation of fiction and reality in regards to Alice. She needs to set the murrica mind aside. Also. The knight is a villain. Of course he was supposed to be weird.
She was a kid when she saw it. Makes sense
@@AzeharaCh good point. Children struggle with that thing about reality and fiction.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejoI see this murica mind more and more often
@@napoleonfeanor same. It's tiresome and worrying.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo It's frustrating that whenever you try to call out this phenomenon as mostly coming from the anglosphere, they try to deflect the blame on some other country or culture, or pull off the old "not all of us".
It's still pretty obvious that this whole "treating fiction like reality" thing is mainly coming from the US and UK and influencing the rest of the world from there.
ay this was my question
It's fine to say things weird and you don't like it. It's an opinion
About Alice stuff. Cuties is fucked up
What doesnt help with oagent shows is the work that goes into whatever standard of beauty the girls are made to work with. I havent researched into them and i already have suspicions into how unethical they are.
2:11 i thought it was a metaphor for psychosis?
Yeah. Idk if these arguments hold much water.