As far as I know, this is the first case of AI being used to commit a crime with the criminal caught. I can see a future where Video, imagery, and audio evidence is not admissible in court.
As far as I know, this is the first case of AI being used to commit a crime with the criminal caught. I can see a future where Video, imagery, and audio evidence is not admissible in court.
I read a few articles and I still can’t figure out how they caught him in Particular. Definitely not on this scumbag’s side here but I just want to know if this case can set some wacky precedent that’s out of touch with how the digital world works
Did you see the product that's being marketed to take body cam footage and generate a "first draft" of police reports? Given that's how they market it (as a first draft), I have to assume that it has crossed someone's mind that this could go very wrong. And it comes with a built-in excuse for a police report not accurately reflecting reality.
@@Imbaltoit’s kinda crazy to see the possibility of relying even more on witness testimony again and interpretation of the videos and imagery opposed to the evidence themselves. Some legal jurisdictions unlike the US place a lot more emphasis on video and audio than witness testimony too.
We have already destroyed ourselves without the use of AI. Look at what’s happening on college campuses all over the country and especially at elite universities.
This comment is giving me a realization that completely scares the shit out of me. We can all be imitated by AI or subject to believable, credible sounding propaganda at the hands of AI. I'm starting to have a panic attack now and I'm not sure if I can handle this...
A funny story from my local jurisdiction, the Courts didn't consider digital images and photographic evidence. Not because of the possibility of editing, but because it didn't meet the legal definition of a photograph, which required film and negatives. It was a significant number of years after smart phones and digital cameras were commonplace before the law was updated. And that's the problem with the justice system and government at all levels. It's not until things become a problem that they move to adapt, but by then (especially for technology) it's too late.
@@mattd6931 Old farts in power are the problem. "I don't care what that silly thingamajig does! Back in my day we didn't need none of this here internet stuff!"
@@oompalumpus699 I wish it was as easy as worrying about old farts. People in general are just stupid. A game collecting website I was a part of had several people who actively and though digital games were fake because you couldn't touch them
@@oompalumpus699How many of those people do you actually think work in law enforcement? I find it absurd that people like yourself think it's 'old farts' and every Cop I see is under the age of 40.
@@uioplkhjI get where you’re coming from, but no. It’ll only normalise the action, because suddenly, how do prosecutors figure out if this image of a child is real and this image is fake? Can you class it as cp if it’s AI generated? Do you punish the AI’s creator or the user?
It's still just as bad, but I know what you mean. It wouldn't stop predators from committing it. People watch P*** and there are still r***. Could also make more predators if kids see this and grow up with it... which is even more disturbing...
When there isn't a huge supply of racism...you just gotta create some of your own. I award 7 points for ingenuinely. I deduct 9 for doing it on the schools network.
Yep. Juicy Smollier showed that there is so much bigotry that he had to manufacture it to show the public...and the left doesn't see a problem with that.
@@zombie1171 what is it then because if I’m correct pcs are ever evolving everyday from gpus to cpus and microchips. Or uses suck drone piloting to controlling tooling on the da Vinci device they use during surgeries.
That this piece of shit got caught is a good sign that there are people looking into AI and getting into looking into it, but this is going to get a lot more widespread LONG before law enforcement catches up.
The AI threat is not good, but the attack on school faculty is what has me most scared, granted my school district is seeing attempts by teachers to bully the superintendents and board members, their children have been targeted and they've had to move them to another school district.
I watched it through twice; yes the sign reads 'Cabaret night 4 27' Idk what they're doing in Maryland but my teen boy mind would have been blown if we had cabaret nights in high school
Relying on local law enforcement to understand is a laugh. They are more interested in automatic license plate readers and being able to turn off and mute their body cams. Not to mention civil asset forfeiture.
No, those are low level cops. You forget detectives and stuff have degrees and are actually intelligent. It's like comparing the enlisted grunts in the army versus the officer grunts. Yes, there is a good chance that most of the enlisted grunts are dumb but every one of those officers, even though they are an infantry MOS, is intelligent and holds a college education. TL;DR: the cop that walks of beat is probably dumb but the detective behind the desk is probably quite intelligent. Don't confuse the two.
I wouldn't count on that "get savvy real quick". Police consulting on AI could be a real good AND profitable business. Sucks I went into chemical engineering lol.
News media is going to need AI experts to verify videos and pictures are not altered or created. This is going to be a problem for some time and I have to think what the Russians will do with it.
I'm amazed he got access to OpenAI's voice system since that is not publicly available and I'm not sure if there is even a waitlist. Granted he may have discovered RVC or a similar system and used that or one of the other corporate AI voice systems.
I remember this specific case. When it was first reported, people scoffed at the principal's claim that the recording was falsified using AI. I remember a lot of people just blindly believed the recording was real and were predicting that AI would become the new excuse for racists whenever they get caught on audio. For many people, the possibility that the guy was telling the truth and the audio was AI never even entered their head.
Unless and until AI is forced to use steganographical methods to ID their output or maybe use checksum data for comparison of identical or similar images without needing someone to actually look at them (I hear that's how they ID other types of images that are illegal to produce, distribute, or possess)
Thor from Pirate Software specifically pointed out that he has, on record, with his bank that he cannot have any major transactions occur via the phone, always in person, specifically because he has way more than enough of his voice out there to build an ai-based tts system
I can't imagine the school being that knowledgeable on AI. I'd love to hear about how this scheme became unraveled and who was the brainchild that figured it out.
Hey Ryan! CS student here, and ideas on where to start learning for AI generated image detection? My courses really only went into detail LLM and NLP. None of which I’d assume would apply here.
I saw more about this on the evening news. The alleged perpetrator was being investigated for mishandling funds and was caught while trying to board a plane with a gun.
analog media needs to make a comeback, digital is too prone to editing now, besides, if we were able to make decent fakes, imagine what the government has. They're always ahead of us in tech
The problem with "AI savvy" is the same as with lot's of current modern technology: even the average person is not going to be "AI savvy" or "tech savvy" enough to be safe or to handle that stuff. It's too much, to difficult for the majority. And that's a huge problem.
And if i remember correctly it was because the principal opened an investigation into some sketchy payments from the AD to one of the AD's staff, who also happened to be his roommate.
AI terrifies me. People brushing of the dangers that AI can be with "haha but its so good to make me not study, look at the pretty art it made from stealing from actual artists" scare me also.
it will be used for the opposite, when tragedies occur, the companies that profit from AI will point fingers at "the algorithm", the more decisions that a corporation delegates to AI, the stronger their lawsuit defenses become.
I would think making all ai companies put in data markers that are traceable would be good for this case. Streaming service put data that mark the stream as going to a specific user. Yeah there are ways to fake it but for people like this... It would be effective. Heck we can even use chemical profiles to trace the origins of nuclear material. you could write software to find these tags, but you would have to have knowledge and you could include multiple types of tags. Not perfect but could cover a huge percentage. Plus make such output stored for a specific term or fragments stored long term for matching.
You are asking a lot of these men. Some of them have the wit and good sense to learn this stuff, but I have assets and witnesses to officers getting undisclosed services (protecting my sources here) and telling the one serving them “I can’t wait to grind someone’s face into the asphalt bro.” I already don’t trust many of them with the responsibilities they DO have, so how the hell are they gonna be able to bring on people who have the composure and intelligence to learn this stuff?? A major overhaul is needed and law enforcement is often too stuck in an aggressive enforcement rather than a progressive enforcement policy. They hire meatheads instead of level headed persons. It’s concerning.
The Ai wasn't the danger, the people using the Ai was the danger, same goes for any tool that can be used to hurt others. People hurt others, inanimate objects can't make decisions.
Wait, very military intelligence oriented discussion by a guy at a company that uses drones to deliver blood on a battlefields... that can be quickly retasked to drop other things. What is their real product after the slant? Because that sounds like some spin and hustle: 'sir, these are not weapons, so international laws do not govern...' I respect the Military Industrial Complex hustle and potential help to stop this growing to wwIII. I also very much respect the content and the sheer logic involved... especially in this day and age.
As far as I know, this is the first case of AI being used to commit a crime with the criminal caught. I can see a future where Video, imagery, and audio evidence is not admissible in court.
I read a few articles and I still can’t figure out how they caught him in Particular.
Definitely not on this scumbag’s side here but I just want to know if this case can set some wacky precedent that’s out of touch with how the digital world works
You're company also got out of charges for creating AI generation of Biden shocking how that worked so well for you're company
You can still tell the difference between reality and AI though, you just have to look, but it is getting better
Did you see the product that's being marketed to take body cam footage and generate a "first draft" of police reports?
Given that's how they market it (as a first draft), I have to assume that it has crossed someone's mind that this could go very wrong.
And it comes with a built-in excuse for a police report not accurately reflecting reality.
@@Imbaltoit’s kinda crazy to see the possibility of relying even more on witness testimony again and interpretation of the videos and imagery opposed to the evidence themselves. Some legal jurisdictions unlike the US place a lot more emphasis on video and audio than witness testimony too.
AI is not going to destroy us, we are going to destroy us using AI
Ding ding! AI is a neutral tool, like a hammer. You can use a hammer to build a house or you can use it to tear one down.
Lkley
@@EllissDee4you4memore like bolt cutters, it has a positive use but really appeals to criminals.
We have already destroyed ourselves without the use of AI. Look at what’s happening on college campuses all over the country and especially at elite universities.
This comment is giving me a realization that completely scares the shit out of me. We can all be imitated by AI or subject to believable, credible sounding propaganda at the hands of AI. I'm starting to have a panic attack now and I'm not sure if I can handle this...
The guy being idiotic enough to do part of the work on a work network doesn't hurt the investigation either.
Plot twist: The Principal used AI to concoct an elaborate scheme to frame the athletic director
@@rainkloud Plot twist: The school isn't real and the whole event is AI generated! :P
@@IRBitterSoBblog twist…. We’re all an AI generate MMO
Also, used an email connected to his own phone number to send the recording to colleagues.
I fail to see how ai is going to be a net positive for society
Conventional law enforcement barely understands what an IP address is. It's going to be actual decades before they even start comprehending AI crime.
A funny story from my local jurisdiction, the Courts didn't consider digital images and photographic evidence. Not because of the possibility of editing, but because it didn't meet the legal definition of a photograph, which required film and negatives.
It was a significant number of years after smart phones and digital cameras were commonplace before the law was updated.
And that's the problem with the justice system and government at all levels. It's not until things become a problem that they move to adapt, but by then (especially for technology) it's too late.
@@mattd6931 Old farts in power are the problem.
"I don't care what that silly thingamajig does! Back in my day we didn't need none of this here internet stuff!"
@@oompalumpus699 I wish it was as easy as worrying about old farts. People in general are just stupid. A game collecting website I was a part of had several people who actively and though digital games were fake because you couldn't touch them
@@oompalumpus699How many of those people do you actually think work in law enforcement? I find it absurd that people like yourself think it's 'old farts' and every Cop I see is under the age of 40.
Should be treated as a hate crime
Police specialists in resolving A.I. assisted crimes will most definitely be necessary.
They'll probably hire someone who has a record for it to teach them how to do it, and then help catch the ones still doing it.
....of course it was the P.E. teacher. 🙄
Who is black.
@@amh9494yea I’m so tired of black PE teachers committing cybercrime and using AI to commit crimes.
@@amh9494 he looks like Yakuub too lmao. A true tricknology 'master'
@@amh9494did anyone determine the race of the principle?
@@GaryCimsRNYou get one guess. Principal’s name is Eric Eiswert.
One more case of available racism not meeting the demand so…
Background; The Principle was after the Coach for some kind of financial fraud using school funds.
There was a guy that used ai to generate pictures of children in explicit ways. JD delay did a video on it
Isn't that better than the alternative?
@uioplkhj uhmm no. FBI will be on contact with you soon
@@uioplkhjI get where you’re coming from, but no. It’ll only normalise the action, because suddenly, how do prosecutors figure out if this image of a child is real and this image is fake? Can you class it as cp if it’s AI generated? Do you punish the AI’s creator or the user?
@@uioplkhjalmost everything is better than the alternative
It's still just as bad, but I know what you mean.
It wouldn't stop predators from committing it. People watch P*** and there are still r***.
Could also make more predators if kids see this and grow up with it... which is even more disturbing...
When there isn't a huge supply of racism...you just gotta create some of your own.
I award 7 points for ingenuinely. I deduct 9 for doing it on the schools network.
ingenuity*
@@91thewatcher23 My fingers, my words. #trademark
Yep. Juicy Smollier showed that there is so much bigotry that he had to manufacture it to show the public...and the left doesn't see a problem with that.
If it was done with the races swapped there wouldn’t even be a threat to the principal being fired for saying it.
Jocks and advanced tech, natural enemies.
Yea nah I’m an athletic jock type an I built my own pc. Maybe not place all your eggs in one basket
Building a pc isn’t dealing with “advanced tech”
Hahaha
much like you and logic
@@zombie1171 what is it then because if I’m correct pcs are ever evolving everyday from gpus to cpus and microchips. Or uses suck drone piloting to controlling tooling on the da Vinci device they use during surgeries.
He was NOT a 'Smooth Criminal'..he he.
I mean except for his head (in more than one way may I add)
believe only 1/3 of what you see on line
then think long and hard about it's truthfulness
A THIRD!? DAMN!
Yeah, but this guy really did it. Wouldn’t hire him to walk a dog.
I dread what our largely incompetent justice system will do with this tech
That this piece of shit got caught is a good sign that there are people looking into AI and getting into looking into it, but this is going to get a lot more widespread LONG before law enforcement catches up.
The AI threat is not good, but the attack on school faculty is what has me most scared, granted my school district is seeing attempts by teachers to bully the superintendents and board members, their children have been targeted and they've had to move them to another school district.
Local law enforcement get AI savvy fast😂😂😂
You do amazing work my friend. On these videos and outside of them. Thank you for your part and current service!
I watched it through twice; yes the sign reads 'Cabaret night 4 27'
Idk what they're doing in Maryland but my teen boy mind would have been blown if we had cabaret nights in high school
you're right and i don't think the govt (including law enforcement) is even close to ready. and this is worldwide
Relying on local law enforcement to understand is a laugh. They are more interested in automatic license plate readers and being able to turn off and mute their body cams. Not to mention civil asset forfeiture.
No, those are low level cops. You forget detectives and stuff have degrees and are actually intelligent. It's like comparing the enlisted grunts in the army versus the officer grunts. Yes, there is a good chance that most of the enlisted grunts are dumb but every one of those officers, even though they are an infantry MOS, is intelligent and holds a college education.
TL;DR: the cop that walks of beat is probably dumb but the detective behind the desk is probably quite intelligent. Don't confuse the two.
And some folks just keep dealing, huh?
I wouldn't count on that "get savvy real quick".
Police consulting on AI could be a real good AND profitable business. Sucks I went into chemical engineering lol.
I'm sure you're doing just fine.
@@stevechance150 I am I just find it an intriguing idea to work on.
News media is going to need AI experts to verify videos and pictures are not altered or created. This is going to be a problem for some time and I have to think what the Russians will do with it.
I'm amazed he got access to OpenAI's voice system since that is not publicly available and I'm not sure if there is even a waitlist. Granted he may have discovered RVC or a similar system and used that or one of the other corporate AI voice systems.
I remember this specific case. When it was first reported, people scoffed at the principal's claim that the recording was falsified using AI. I remember a lot of people just blindly believed the recording was real and were predicting that AI would become the new excuse for racists whenever they get caught on audio. For many people, the possibility that the guy was telling the truth and the audio was AI never even entered their head.
"We shouldn't fear AI it is people we should "
CEO of cyberdyne systems
Usual suspect crying racism when there isn’t any, true victim mentality.
Something to remember, tech savvy is only one way to deal with tech crimes, traditional methods of investigation still work.
Fire him. Should lose his teacher’s license. Moral turpitude, unfit.
Im talking to MSFT now on their VASA-1 research (look it up)... AI crime will take a hockey stick uptick with new tools like these.
My personal fav is the Mona Lisa
and the tech companies will take 0 responsibility for it.
Unless and until AI is forced to use steganographical methods to ID their output or maybe use checksum data for comparison of identical or similar images without needing someone to actually look at them (I hear that's how they ID other types of images that are illegal to produce, distribute, or possess)
Thor from Pirate Software specifically pointed out that he has, on record, with his bank that he cannot have any major transactions occur via the phone, always in person, specifically because he has way more than enough of his voice out there to build an ai-based tts system
We need the no A.I. fraud act yesterday
To make something already illegal even more illegal?
Yup. Faking an IP address should be a criminal offense. If you ain’t real, you’re a fraud and have no right to fool anyone.
@@oldernu1250 faking an IP address? Nobody faked an IP address...
I can't imagine the school being that knowledgeable on AI. I'd love to hear about how this scheme became unraveled and who was the brainchild that figured it out.
Hey Ryan! CS student here, and ideas on where to start learning for AI generated image detection? My courses really only went into detail LLM and NLP. None of which I’d assume would apply here.
Vector maps. Check out my GitHub
@@RyanMcBethProgramming Awesome thank you!
Conventional Law enforcement still thinks its 1995.
So this was a fake race hate crime ?
Did he want his job ?
I saw more about this on the evening news. The alleged perpetrator was being investigated for mishandling funds and was caught while trying to board a plane with a gun.
Usual suspects.
Not just law enforcement but law makers need to start thinking bout AI asap.
analog media needs to make a comeback, digital is too prone to editing now, besides, if we were able to make decent fakes, imagine what the government has. They're always ahead of us in tech
Wait until these bad actors become smarter about how they do this.
Hackers everywhere are laughing about how illiterate most people are on computers, this illustrates that.
The possibility of AI-fabricated evidence could undermine many future prosecutions.
And of course, The first time it happens its one of those people.
Sports directors?
@@avroday949 Afri*an Americans duh
"Believe everything you see and hear. It won't make your life any better, but it'll be a darn sight more vivid." Bob Heinlein
Conventional law enforcement couldn't pour the water out of their boots if the instructions were written on the soles.
Law enforcement hasn't even caught up to social media threats and crimes yet, after almost 20 years - at least in Germany. :-/
The problem with "AI savvy" is the same as with lot's of current modern technology: even the average person is not going to be "AI savvy" or "tech savvy" enough to be safe or to handle that stuff.
It's too much, to difficult for the majority. And that's a huge problem.
This will make any recorded conversation inadmissible in a court of law. Maybe even video evidence.
Also, ranting should be legal.
And if i remember correctly it was because the principal opened an investigation into some sketchy payments from the AD to one of the AD's staff, who also happened to be his roommate.
First rule, question everything, especially from authority.
It would be easier if instead of everyone going to college, they were becoming educated.
We just need to train another AI to detect it and tell us its fake
The old adage remains true, ‘believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see’
Instinct tells me AI will be abused for criminal stuff way more often over time. As you said, real quick!
The police will soon be outgunned, pardon the pun, without a a real tech person in their local department.
AI terrifies me. People brushing of the dangers that AI can be with "haha but its so good to make me not study, look at the pretty art it made from stealing from actual artists" scare me also.
So many people knew this was going to happen sooner or later. I’m just surprised it happened to a random principle and not a public figure.
I’m reminded of Jurassic Park: We kept asking if we could, and never stopped to ask if we should.
Law enforcement can’t even figure out how to stop assaulting their partners so I don’t have much faith lol
There needs to be major consequences for abusers of AI
To the cobalt mines they go...
it will be used for the opposite, when tragedies occur, the companies that profit from AI will point fingers at "the algorithm", the more decisions that a corporation delegates to AI, the stronger their lawsuit defenses become.
Under what legal principle?
Consequences will not be the same
The demand for racism outweighs the supply
AI's the guaranteed extinction of humanity.
Look, I'll be impressed if we can teach law enforcement how to SPELL 'A.I.'
Another example of the demand for racism being higher than the supply. SMH
AI should be outlawed abominable intelligence.
This is why AI is evil and should not be allowed.
It’s kinda funny. AI is somehow both incredibly intelligent and deceptive, and at the same time incredibly dumb and obvious.
Ryan's like "ay, hit me up!"
Law enforcement still doesn't know they can be recorded. People still get arrested for saying mean things to cops. Basically most couldn't spell AI.
I'm surprised they haven't regulated those AI programs to require them to leave a watermark on everything someone asks it to do
I thought it was really interesting to see how fast people in that school threw him under the bus before anything was proven.
They're gonna be rolling out Robocop any day now... any day.
I would think making all ai companies put in data markers that are traceable would be good for this case. Streaming service put data that mark the stream as going to a specific user. Yeah there are ways to fake it but for people like this... It would be effective. Heck we can even use chemical profiles to trace the origins of nuclear material. you could write software to find these tags, but you would have to have knowledge and you could include multiple types of tags. Not perfect but could cover a huge percentage. Plus make such output stored for a specific term or fragments stored long term for matching.
kids searching the school network are more likely to have an essay to turn in, so that's WEAK.
We need more AI to catch that AI!
I use AI to write poems, limericks, songs, old timey commercials and short stories.
He is indeed lucky that he's in MD. I swear half of that state is DOD
That guy is never going to live it down. Even if it wasn't true.. just the way people are.
You are asking a lot of these men. Some of them have the wit and good sense to learn this stuff, but I have assets and witnesses to officers getting undisclosed services (protecting my sources here) and telling the one serving them “I can’t wait to grind someone’s face into the asphalt bro.” I already don’t trust many of them with the responsibilities they DO have, so how the hell are they gonna be able to bring on people who have the composure and intelligence to learn this stuff?? A major overhaul is needed and law enforcement is often too stuck in an aggressive enforcement rather than a progressive enforcement policy. They hire meatheads instead of level headed persons. It’s concerning.
I called this shit when a story about streamers deepfake porn popped off. Glad to see people catching on to the proper use of AI.
It’s beginning.. the jokes about watching a clip of yourself committing a crime you never did in court aren’t gonna be jokes much longer
It already feels like the phrase “ai” is losing its meaning
Imagine being the principal. Authorities play the recording, I would wonder if I had another stroke and actually said those things.
Glad it was fake and that the faker was caught! Though, question, as immoral as it would be, is a "race-based rant" illegal?
Slander and defamation are crimes.
Not illegal, but it can make you lose your job
Hey look the usual suspect, just not the usual crime 😂
Man is looking for a new job, just displaying his skills. 😂
Truly, the Industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
This is part of the tech revolution more than industrial, but yeah, I get your point.
Some say we should have stopped before the Neolithic Transformation. Some say we should have never come down from the trees.
So fatalistic 🙄🤦🏼♂️Seek help ffs!
Acai bowl is not healthy, plus that price. Definitely unjustified.
"To commit a crime, where someone is actually caught" THIS video could be AI.
Savvy municipal cops? That bridge is very far away.
The Ai wasn't the danger, the people using the Ai was the danger, same goes for any tool that can be used to hurt others.
People hurt others, inanimate objects can't make decisions.
Somehow the criminal is smarter about his hair loss than you
Wait, very military intelligence oriented discussion by a guy at a company that uses drones to deliver blood on a battlefields... that can be quickly retasked to drop other things.
What is their real product after the slant?
Because that sounds like some spin and hustle: 'sir, these are not weapons, so international laws do not govern...'
I respect the Military Industrial Complex hustle and potential help to stop this growing to wwIII.
I also very much respect the content and the sheer logic involved... especially in this day and age.
Law enforcement still isnt trained on dealing with special needs people, they are about a millenia away from A.I training.
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Fine point is the most valuable. Local LE needs to start training now!
"...was caught in a ray-spaced rant..." What? Oh, race-based.
Demand for racism exceeds supply.
It's getting scarier out there.
PLOT TWIST: This video was generated by AI 😂