@@TroySiahaan No BS. You guys are doing the best stuff in bike news right now. I've been around awhile and remember losing some of my favorite writers. Glad you're alright. I hope you don't have to do it again either.
I hit a dog doing 70mph on my 2015 t100, a little death wobble but it stayed upright , 15-20 lb dog , glad you survived the Porsche , I was impressed that you finished the video, great job
I rode both bikes, and although both bikes are very exciting to ride the R NineT feels superior immediately. I was hoping to buy the Triumph to spend less $$, but after riding the BMW I ended up buying the BMW. Worth every penny. BTW, this video could have been done better. Specially, since so many people want to compare both bikes
was looking at this used and came across this video - the pro triumph bias in the first 5 was ridiculous. Rode them on the same day and the speed twin doesn't compare. you'd have to go to the thruxton to get R9t levels of everything
Here in Australia BMW dealers give way better support then the Triumph dealers. When they take your money, they have no clue what post purchase service is supposed to look like. Here, we get a 5 year warranty and 3 years roadside included, BMW dealers are not pushy, have monthly store rides, and Triumph (Peter Stevens) just send you on your way, and charge more for scheduled servicing- and they don’t do a proper job either.
Had my speed twin for a little over a year now. The big factor between the r nine T and speed twin for me that pushed my hand was price. Even after a full adjustable cartridge kit in the front and fully adjustable rear shocks it’s cheaper than the bimmer. I love both bikes but I don’t regret the speed twin for a second. It’s my daily commuter and I’ve taken it to the track twice now.
You know, this is the exact comment I was looking for. I bought the 2020 speed twin at a good deal and saved easily $4900 CAD plus tax. I really want to swap out the fork cartridges and the rear shock too. Which brands did you go with for these mods? Any thoughts of before and after? I find the front forks nose dive on braking (be it engine braking or regular braking) so those are mandatory!
I sold my RNineT for a Triumph bobber and I couldn’t be happier. The sound, the smoothness of the engine and overall comfort make for a much more pleasant ride.
Shaft drive is unbeatable. I have had two Boxers and 1 Triumph. Best of them was the R80GS Paris-Dakar with the 32 Litre tank and shaft drive, no chain to oil or adjust - heaven.
Speed Twin all day. Love the look of it... and that torque! I'll take mine in that silver/black color scheme. Hoping they might just do a Speed Twin R, or something with a bit better suspension.
Concurred !!! Speed Twin looks very much better than that ugly looking bike R9T BMW 😆😆🤣 Secondly, it’s bcoz I’m the owner of Speed Twin - in silver ice & storm grey color , since Oct’20 😆🤣👍
@@flaviutomuta2083 I'm getting old, and would prefer a more upright riding position like the Speed Twin. Thruxton looks great, but not sure I could tolerate that riding position ha ha.
@@johnridesadv2512 I'm like you with the riding position. But all that extra money you save buying the Speed Twin over either the Thruxton or the R nineT you can make your own "R" version. Plus the new model has much better suspension. I'm test riding both of these bike over the next week or so plus the Z900rs. All three really nice bikes. Did you get one yet?
Maybe I should do this in the form of an email to you so I don't bore your readers but I'd really like to see you guys do longer term rides on the bikes you do because you could inform us on how they are from a quality of ownership perspective. I'm not a crotch rocket guy so a lot of the stuff you guys talk about is lost on me from that perspective. Don't get me wrong it has it's place. Every golfer wants clubs that are better than they are on the course whether they help them enjoy the round better or not. But from an ownership perspective I have a 2020 Triumph Speed Twin that is such an awesome bike to ride for me. The torque low in the rev range that you talk about is built for guys like me that can drop the hammer and enjoy a minor rush without going the track. Not that I don't want to do that some time, it's just not in the cards right now. But for guys like me that just want to get back on bikes after a few years off I need to know about long term or at least mid term reliability if I'm going to drop $14K on a new bike. I bought my Triumph in March of this year and the gear shift linkage broke 100 miles from my home on the 4th of July with 1500 miles on the odo. The part that that snapped was a threaded rod that connected the gear shift linkage to the shift lever. It's one of the few parts on the bike that cannot be band aided in the field to allow you to drive it home. Thank GOD for AAA. Triumph charged me $65 for a 65 Cent part because I live 4.5 hours from my nearest Triumph Dealership. Long story longer, the same linkage broke again, only this time on the back half of the linkage on the exact same type of substandard material part. This time on Labor day weekend 50 miles from home. Triumph wanted me to pay for the part because i did not live in Des Moines where I bought the thing. If not for a stand up guy at a really good dealership (shout to to Donny at Struthers Bros) I'd have been forced to pay $65 for a 65 Cent part that broke. This kind of information would be much more valuable to me than whether I can shred a canyon somewhere in Cali and to be told that either bike would be great for me. You guys are really good at what you do and I watch a lot of your content. So I wanted to put out a request for most of us real world consumers. Thanks, Peace.
WOW! Glad you made it out safely from the crash! ... goes to show how important good gear is. I was actually discussing both of these in my Speed Twin review a few weeks ago ... i have LOVED the R Nine T for so long and still do, but ... i do feel the Triumph has a slight upper hand even though it does not have the fancy suspension setup and bigger brakes. also something you guys missed, and i think that's why the speed twin is a more dynamic motorcycle is that the speed twin is around 23 kg's lighter than the R Nine T and you feel it on the road especially on take off and cornering.
The beemer and the speed twin are both roadsters. The Thruxton has clip-ons, more like a retro-sport bike. Would be hard to resist not to visit the dealer immediately if Triumph dropped a Speed Twin R. That would be the perfect bike for me.
My thinking exactly. A mid-range Triumph retro against an optioned out, top level BMW retro isn't a comparison. Either put the Speed Twin against the R Nine T Pure or, The Thruxton R or RS against the R Nine T, with or without the added options. As much as I like what Triumph is doing. I'd still take the BMW.
Glad you're ok Troy. I read your article on MO & it sounded like you wouldn't be riding for a while, but here you are - your safety gear certainly did its job. The Triumph sounds better to me, but I haven't ridden it yet. R9T is definitely a good bike, but quirky to ride ("characterful?"). For an only bike I'd probably go Triumph.
You're not testing like with like. The BMW RnineT Pure is the true competitor to the Speed Twin. The Pure has axial brakes with a right-way-up front fork and a price more in keeping with the Triumph. Bad comparo.
Agreed. If I buy the Triumph and spend and extra 4K to bring the cost up to the R9T it’s going to blow that BMW away. But I guess there was no Pure press bike available.
The Speed Twin is `much` cheaper, which is why it doesn't have the same level of suspension and brakes. I think taller people will be more comfortable on the RnineT, and it has a more unique and quirky look. But the Speed Twin is more classically beautiful, and more fun and capable in the twisties.
@@daniyaljamal773 uhh poor porsche driver more like. Yam was riding beyond his skill and drifted into in the wrong lane. Here the Porsche crossed into Troy's lane.
This really isn't a fair comparison for the speed twin.. Ya'll should've got an R9T Pure with the lesser suspension components for a more accurate comparison.
No doubt. $4191 buys a whole lot of goodies for the Speed. It would add some credibility to the opinions if they were informed of the specifics before tacking them on in post.
A better comparison would have been the Thruxton R. That would have even-uped the price gap as well as the spec on the suspention and brakes; the Thruxton having upside-down forks, higher spec brembos and Ohlin shocks. 😎
Just want to point out that the discrepancies in power/torque measured at the rear wheel are due to differences in drivetrain power loss between chain drive (~10%) and shaft drive (~15%)
The special design package of the R9T tested is about 2500$. The geometry and suspension of the R9T was also slightly revised since 2015 to make it a little smoother, I think that is your impression of the comparison with the bikes of 2014/2015. Good luck!
I enjoy your videos but I have to think you are doing them more for the manufacturer instead of your readers. (or viewers) It's completely up to the potential buyer to determine what the maintenance cost are for each, and unless we know someone personally who owns one we can only learn about potential reliability issues by reading comments from viewers. I've seen a few UA-cam videos from the UK that mention problems with Triumph. They appear to have serious issues with their transmissions, and BMW parts are ridiculously expensive. Maybe you are right, the average buyer who watches your reviews may only be concerned with what bike sounds better, or has more interesting details or better brakes. Some of us wish you would dig deeper and tell us the whole story. After all, if you won't tell us, who will?
After many years with a chain, I will take a shaft drive all day long, personally. I don't scrape knees anymore at my age. And I don't like dealing with the hassles of chain and sprockets. Nice vid, with lots of great info.
Both beautiful bikes in a different way. The Triumph looks more refined and clean whereas the BMW does not try to hide anything, no fakery…I respect that
Be nice to know what you guys think of the final drives. Personally, I wouldn’t go back to chains mainly because of the mess the oil throws everywhere. Might make a difference for many buyers.
Todd K I guess if you want to squeeze that last extra bit of power you need to have chain drive. But at the power levels achievable by the BMW, you’re right, for the majority, no one will be bothered. They didn’t even mention it.
@@TK-cl1jm I have squeezed everything out that I can afford to squeeze out, its not the fastest bike ever made but its ok for me. Is that ok? Did I do something wrong? If I did will you forgive me? Please Todd don't tell the internet comment police on me :( why are you so hurt, maybe I can help.
@@TK-cl1jm I know that no bike gives you the option, but when shopping for a bike that suits my needs the performance of the bike holds a higher spot on my list than maintenance issues, so when you said "who cares about performance loss" I said I did because all things being equal I would take the set up that performs better than the one that saves me the most time. If that makes sense.
Very cool, and glad you are OK! Would be so interesting to see you reviewing the Triumph T120, as it is the better Triumph for a slow joyful riding experience. And to mix things up a bit, you can pick the BMW R nine T Pure instead and each of you rank the 4 bikes from the ultimate favourite for cruising to least favourite.
Been done. The BMW is far more comfortable than the Thruxton though. Faster too. The low redline on the T120hp engine hampers its progress in the real world.
The BMW (I believe) weighs quite a bit more than the Triumph, which means that even with more power, it's not going to blow the Triumph's doors off (if it takes it out at all). I'm not sure I agree on the comparison in terms of look, either; the Triumph is pretty darn retro, whereas the BMW is more of a pseudo-retro, stylistically. This is all before we get on to the main issue - you're comparing a higher-trim BMW to the Triumph; you should be comparing the Pure from BMW. Both of them are great bikes, but the gap between them really isn't that large, and if you compared the Speed Twin to the R9T you SHOULD have compared it to (the Pure), the Triumph wins hands-down.
'21 and later is not even comparable. The Speed Twin got a slight upgrade in components to USD forks and brembo brakes with a bump in HP, essentially matching the RnineT in some aspects... but, the RnineT got cruise control and LED all around. They are the same price new. I think the BMW is the better value and the better bike...
Damn! Glad your ok Troy!! I was too busy looking at the bikes to notice you were in different gear. But then I didn't notice that the colour of the bikes was different either so who knows what I was looking at... The red triumph looks better anyway.
I own a Speed Twin with upgraded suspension. Fully adjustable Nitron fork and fully adjustable rear Ohlins. Bought a '19 black one for 10k +2k in suspension parts. This bike is great. Much cheaper than the BMW and would compare better to it than the stoc
If you are 5'10" or shorter and built skinny, definitely check out the Triumph Street Twin and Street Scrambler models. They feel just like a 1969 Bonneville except, silky smooth engine with much more power, suspension that is absolutely dialed in and plush at the same time, phenomenal brakes, and sound like a Ducati. Thank me later!
It is not a parallel twin that refers to the crank angle of the pistons and it is a 270 degree angle on the Street Twin. Correct is a transverse twin like a transverse engine in a car has the cylinders arranged perpindicular to the frame. An inline engine would be a v-twin like a Harley or such the cylinders are in line with the bike...likewise my Z1000 is a transverse 4 cylinder not inline as is the usual description...
Obviously the advertised engine specs are at the crank and the bmw will have more loss due to the driveshaft. That doesn't mean either manufacturer lied about it.
9:11 It is not because it's a boxer engine. It's because it is a longitudinally mounted engine. Moto-Guzzis and Triumph Rocket 3 do same thing when you rev the engine. Upd. Kinda my thoughts. Put bigger disk radial brakes on that Triumph, put inverted fork rfom a super sport bike, put a progressive shock onto the rear suspension, make the hole suspension fully adjustable-and there you'll have it, the price of this Triumph will match, if not overcome, the R nine T's price. The performance will be closer or the same as well, I think.
I love both bikes and think it's a fair comparison, the extra cost of the the beemer for the better spec seems fair BUT the one defining difference you didn't mention is SHAFT DRIVE for the beemer...
BMW Pure is far cheaper actually cheaper then Triumph.Its a real bargain IMO. Basically you gave up some adjustability and extra gauge otherwise same everything else.
''These are both cool bikes'' - this has to be the worst motorcycle review of 2 decent bikes. IMHO. However the Triumph has torque in the RIGHT place. It does the job and BMW is way too EXPENSIVE for what it is in the real world.
You can say the same about Triumph - it's expensive, for that money it has to have adjustable suspension... It's probably just marketing, to separate Speed Triple from Thruxton, but the suspension upgrade will cost a lot if you choose to do it.
Glad your okay, dude! I have the older RnineT (2015) and absolutely love it, though, I agree that i'd like the rake to be shorter. Another thing to keep in mind to, is you'll scrap the heads if you have bad body positioning, I was used to having a motorcycle where scrapping the footpegs wasn't a big deal... but on the BMW, it becomes a very big deal (something the racer series has found out too) lol
If you're coming from a sport bike background and you like the speed twin give the thruxton a go. Same engine but a much more aggressive riding position. A bit more expensive as it has much better components, closer to the R nine t's.
Dunno.. the beemer seems better quality but there is something about the simplicity of the speed twin that I just love! Hope they make a higher spec one next year when I'm getting one ;)
I own a RnineT/5 and was considering the Speed Twin. I think either is a fine bike although I've never rode th Speed Twin I have ridden the Thruxton. Just go with whichever one calls to you more. In comparison it's like splitting hairs. I do prefer the shaft drive over a chain.
I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking, but it looks like you had lots of runoff room to the right. Did you consider avoiding the Porsche that way?
Please, please, please say something about range. Not just tank volume including reserve, not just mileage which can vary depending on ?, but real range during a wide variety of riding conditions especially during long distance sport crusing. Run it out of gas a few times. How many miles before you switched to reserve. Does the bike have a saddle tank with a gallon of gas unavailable on the side of the tank opposite the fuel tap? I FINALLY learned to to lay my bike on its side so gas flowed from one saddle to the other. Imaging and riding throughtout Eastern Oregon where gas stations can be few and far between. Range anxiety can be the issue which spoils your ride and can be the deciding factor when choosing between two closely matched bikes
Michael Ripplinger The BMW has a tank range of about 200 km before the low fuel indicator lights. You then have about 3.5 litres of fuel, and you can use the onboard computer to work out the range you have left. I've got a RnineT slash five, and it's showing just 620Kms on the clock. It came new with a full tank, and I have filled up three times now and the tank is full. The engine is being run in still, it was tight for the first tank of gas but loosened up around the three hundred Km mark. It's pleasant to ride, but I found the temperature sensor to be a little disconcerting, since it read 126 degrees C, but the dealership said that's normal on a new engine on a hot day, apparently they will run at 145 degrees C and the oil is good up to 200! I can't see that happening in the UK though! and it now runs around the 100 to 110 in traffic. It's fitted with a Calalytic converter, and pops an bangs when slowing down through the gears and growls in a pleasant way as you accelerate up the gears. If you have the throttle open at the right place in third gear, it purrs pleasantly at 30mph. It comes with ABS, and ASC, and has heated grips. (I've not needed them yet.) you can turn off the ABS and ASC on the move. Mine came with a £750 accessory contribution, so I had the rev counter fitted, which you get on the R9T, but not on the pure, the wiring harness has the plug already installed so fitting was not a problem. I like my bike. I like the Triumph too, but I'd choose the T120 black edition. The /5 BMW gets lots of admiring looks from passers by, and the audible comments have all been favourable. Hope this helps you.
@@monochromaticlightsource9153 The metric/standard conversion strikes again. Bilingual? Not me. Ok, maybe a few phrases in Italian. A word or two in a half dozen languages. My current bike, a Suzuki VX (Not especially current) goes 250 miles + until fumes make riding difficult. Will the Speed Twin do that? Will any bjke, short of an 800 pound touring bike, measure up? Stay tuned for a Triumph Speed Twin RT,(Race Touring).
Bikes as a system of gyroscopes...the BMW will be more agile..and quick handling...its crankshaft spins at right angle to the wheels...make bike far more agile than first thought...the low center of mass helps this.
That's dedication to one's profession: real life testing of an airbag! I salute Troy.
Happy you're OK!
I love my job...but I don't love it *that* much! I hope I don't have to do that again.
@@TroySiahaan No BS. You guys are doing the best stuff in bike news right now. I've been around awhile and remember losing some of my favorite writers. Glad you're alright. I hope you don't have to do it again either.
@@johnrobinson1328 Really appreciate that. Thank you.
I hit a dog doing 70mph on my 2015 t100, a little death wobble but it stayed upright , 15-20 lb dog , glad you survived the Porsche , I was impressed that you finished the video, great job
I rode both bikes, and although both bikes are very exciting to ride the R NineT feels superior immediately. I was hoping to buy the Triumph to spend less $$, but after riding the BMW I ended up buying the BMW. Worth every penny. BTW, this video could have been done better. Specially, since so many people want to compare both bikes
was looking at this used and came across this video - the pro triumph bias in the first 5 was ridiculous. Rode them on the same day and the speed twin doesn't compare. you'd have to go to the thruxton to get R9t levels of everything
I’ll go for the Triumph every time. Retro classic, beautiful
Here in Australia BMW dealers give way better support then the Triumph dealers. When they take your money, they have no clue what post purchase service is supposed to look like. Here, we get a 5 year warranty and 3 years roadside included, BMW dealers are not pushy, have monthly store rides, and Triumph (Peter Stevens) just send you on your way, and charge more for scheduled servicing- and they don’t do a proper job either.
bwm don’t need leg guard 💀
Had my speed twin for a little over a year now. The big factor between the r nine T and speed twin for me that pushed my hand was price. Even after a full adjustable cartridge kit in the front and fully adjustable rear shocks it’s cheaper than the bimmer. I love both bikes but I don’t regret the speed twin for a second. It’s my daily commuter and I’ve taken it to the track twice now.
You know, this is the exact comment I was looking for. I bought the 2020 speed twin at a good deal and saved easily $4900 CAD plus tax. I really want to swap out the fork cartridges and the rear shock too. Which brands did you go with for these mods? Any thoughts of before and after? I find the front forks nose dive on braking (be it engine braking or regular braking) so those are mandatory!
I sold my RNineT for a Triumph bobber and I couldn’t be happier. The sound, the smoothness of the engine and overall comfort make for a much more pleasant ride.
The Bobber is more comfortable than the BMW?
@@lapinobel Yes it is, the riding position is more comfortable. Mind you, I had the R Nine T Scrambler. Very different riding positions.
@@Entrenuages ah ok. do you have any issues with the bobber being less high thus more prone to peg scraping?
@@lapinobel I haven't scraped the pegs yet but I could hardly call Canadian roads twisty so that might be why!
Thanks for the input. I’m currently in the market and having a hard time deciding between the nine t pure or the triumph bobber.
Shaft drive is unbeatable. I have had two Boxers and 1 Triumph. Best of them was the R80GS Paris-Dakar with the 32 Litre tank and shaft drive, no chain to oil or adjust - heaven.
Troy’s about to get paid... glad you’re okay 👌
Speed Twin all day. Love the look of it... and that torque! I'll take mine in that silver/black color scheme. Hoping they might just do a Speed Twin R, or something with a bit better suspension.
Agreed! Speed Twin is a great machine, checkout my review i did on my channel, it is in the exact colour you like :-)
Concurred !!! Speed Twin looks very much better than that ugly looking bike R9T BMW 😆😆🤣
Secondly, it’s bcoz I’m the owner of Speed Twin - in silver ice & storm grey color , since Oct’20 😆🤣👍
I mean they do. It's called a Thruxton :)
@@flaviutomuta2083 I'm getting old, and would prefer a more upright riding position like the Speed Twin. Thruxton looks great, but not sure I could tolerate that riding position ha ha.
@@johnridesadv2512 I'm like you with the riding position. But all that extra money you save buying the Speed Twin over either the Thruxton or the R nineT you can make your own "R" version. Plus the new model has much better suspension.
I'm test riding both of these bike over the next week or so plus the Z900rs. All three really nice bikes.
Did you get one yet?
Maybe I should do this in the form of an email to you so I don't bore your readers but I'd really like to see you guys do longer term rides on the bikes you do because you could inform us on how they are from a quality of ownership perspective. I'm not a crotch rocket guy so a lot of the stuff you guys talk about is lost on me from that perspective. Don't get me wrong it has it's place. Every golfer wants clubs that are better than they are on the course whether they help them enjoy the round better or not. But from an ownership perspective I have a 2020 Triumph Speed Twin that is such an awesome bike to ride for me. The torque low in the rev range that you talk about is built for guys like me that can drop the hammer and enjoy a minor rush without going the track. Not that I don't want to do that some time, it's just not in the cards right now. But for guys like me that just want to get back on bikes after a few years off I need to know about long term or at least mid term reliability if I'm going to drop $14K on a new bike. I bought my Triumph in March of this year and the gear shift linkage broke 100 miles from my home on the 4th of July with 1500 miles on the odo. The part that that snapped was a threaded rod that connected the gear shift linkage to the shift lever. It's one of the few parts on the bike that cannot be band aided in the field to allow you to drive it home. Thank GOD for AAA. Triumph charged me $65 for a 65 Cent part because I live 4.5 hours from my nearest Triumph Dealership. Long story longer, the same linkage broke again, only this time on the back half of the linkage on the exact same type of substandard material part. This time on Labor day weekend 50 miles from home. Triumph wanted me to pay for the part because i did not live in Des Moines where I bought the thing. If not for a stand up guy at a really good dealership (shout to to Donny at Struthers Bros) I'd have been forced to pay $65 for a 65 Cent part that broke. This kind of information would be much more valuable to me than whether I can shred a canyon somewhere in Cali and to be told that either bike would be great for me. You guys are really good at what you do and I watch a lot of your content. So I wanted to put out a request for most of us real world consumers. Thanks, Peace.
Sounds like you should buy several of the linkages and keep an extra on the bike.
$4 grand is a little bit cheaper?!
BMW starts at @ high $10k.
Yes! Nice notice. I was already thinking donor GSXR forks
WOW! Glad you made it out safely from the crash! ... goes to show how important good gear is. I was actually discussing both of these in my Speed Twin review a few weeks ago ... i have LOVED the R Nine T for so long and still do, but ... i do feel the Triumph has a slight upper hand even though it does not have the fancy suspension setup and bigger brakes. also something you guys missed, and i think that's why the speed twin is a more dynamic motorcycle is that the speed twin is around 23 kg's lighter than the R Nine T and you feel it on the road especially on take off and cornering.
Should be a Thruxton R to match the price.
The beemer and the speed twin are both roadsters. The Thruxton has clip-ons, more like a retro-sport bike. Would be hard to resist not to visit the dealer immediately if Triumph dropped a Speed Twin R. That would be the perfect bike for me.
Speed Twin vs R NineT pure is a better match. Pure has similar right side up forks and axial brakes at a similar price point to the Twin
The R NineT Pure would've been the right BMW to compare the Triumph to.
My thinking exactly. A mid-range Triumph retro against an optioned out, top level BMW retro isn't a comparison.
Either put the Speed Twin against the R Nine T Pure or, The Thruxton R or RS against the R Nine T, with or without the added options.
As much as I like what Triumph is doing. I'd still take the BMW.
Exactly
Glad you're ok Troy. I read your article on MO & it sounded like you wouldn't be riding for a while, but here you are - your safety gear certainly did its job.
The Triumph sounds better to me, but I haven't ridden it yet. R9T is definitely a good bike, but quirky to ride ("characterful?"). For an only bike I'd probably go Triumph.
You're not testing like with like. The BMW RnineT Pure is the true competitor to the Speed Twin. The Pure has axial brakes with a right-way-up front fork and a price more in keeping with the Triumph. Bad comparo.
Agreed. If I buy the Triumph and spend and extra 4K to bring the cost up to the R9T it’s going to blow that BMW away. But I guess there was no Pure press bike available.
Peter Hatfield Yes, should be compared with the Thruxton R
Both the bikes are at different price margins.
Agree. I bought a new Pure a few months ago. The standard R nineT is a nicer bike really, but the Pure is closer to that Speed Twin.
The Speed Twin is `much` cheaper, which is why it doesn't have the same level of suspension and brakes.
I think taller people will be more comfortable on the RnineT, and it has a more unique and quirky look. But the Speed Twin is more classically beautiful, and more fun and capable in the twisties.
"More capable in twisties"? Have you ridden both?
Glad you didn't pull a Yammie and head on that Porsche Troy 👍
😂
Well, Troy can actually ride, so....
High knowledge joke 😂😂😂
But poor yam though
@@daniyaljamal773 uhh poor porsche driver more like. Yam was riding beyond his skill and drifted into in the wrong lane. Here the Porsche crossed into Troy's lane.
This really isn't a fair comparison for the speed twin.. Ya'll should've got an R9T Pure with the lesser suspension components for a more accurate comparison.
No doubt. $4191 buys a whole lot of goodies for the Speed. It would add some credibility to the opinions if they were informed of the specifics before tacking them on in post.
Yes I agree with J k and TylerTron21. The comparison is mismatched.
Pure finished last 3 years ago. ua-cam.com/video/5YMN5C1sGCo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Motorcycle.com
I was about to agree with the dude above me and say that Burns mentioned it in the video, but....
@@JRBoedeker Thruxton RS vs R Nine T exclusive or Speed Twin vs Pure would still be a fairer comparison. No matter the winner.
Holy shit. Glad you're OK.
Beautifully filmed with the sound and just a few bits flying off. Just like a Hollywood movie. 👍
A better comparison would have been the Thruxton R. That would have even-uped the price gap as well as the spec on the suspention and brakes; the Thruxton having upside-down forks, higher spec brembos and Ohlin shocks. 😎
Holy crap! Glad you’re ok Troy. You need hazard pay!
Looks wise, Triumph all day long.
The Beemer is too much of a mish mash imo.
The triumph looks like every other triumph or cafe racer/scrambler style bike ever made. The beemer at least looks different.
Nikka just can’t afford the bmw so he gonna trash it. Every r nine t owner I know loves that bike more than any they’ve owned
The Triumph looks very classic a bit dorky with the upright rising position. The BMW is much sportier and muscular looking.
Direct competitor for the BMW is the Thruxton r not the speed twin.
The triumph is an awesome however I have to go with the RnineT I love the look and sound and style of the BMW. Hard to beat.
Those Street Twins are so damn cool. Loving the content guys
Speed Twin, and not Street Twin. 👍
Porsche vs Triumph again!
Glad you're okay, wow.
Troy, glad you're ok. Thanks for the review.
Just cause you have a Porsche doesn’t mean you can drive😒...glad you’re straight Troy
Just want to point out that the discrepancies in power/torque measured at the rear wheel are due to differences in drivetrain power loss between chain drive (~10%) and shaft drive (~15%)
The special design package of the R9T tested is about 2500$. The geometry and suspension of the R9T was also slightly revised since 2015 to make it a little smoother, I think that is your impression of the comparison with the bikes of 2014/2015. Good luck!
I enjoy your videos but I have to think you are doing them more for the manufacturer instead of your readers. (or viewers) It's completely up to the potential buyer to determine what the maintenance cost are for each, and unless we know someone personally who owns one we can only learn about potential reliability issues by reading comments from viewers. I've seen a few UA-cam videos from the UK that mention problems with Triumph. They appear to have serious issues with their transmissions, and BMW parts are ridiculously expensive. Maybe you are right, the average buyer who watches your reviews may only be concerned with what bike sounds better, or has more interesting details or better brakes. Some of us wish you would dig deeper and tell us the whole story. After all, if you won't tell us, who will?
Respect that you finished the ride and glad your ok. Great video guys.
If the driver couldn't keep the boxster on the road going round a corner then he should be jailed for impersonating a human being
Pretty sure it comes equipped with a steering wheel as standard.
Great video guys! Would love to see you compare these bikes to the Kawi Z900RS or do a modern classics range comparison.
jatin rao I agree with you 100%!
Funny how nothing seemed broken on the triumph even when they were loading it in the van
Which airbag? I was disappointed with alpine stars, so looking around. Good job.
Looking forward to the airbag clip ...So glad Troy rolled out of it ok ........
After many years with a chain, I will take a shaft drive all day long, personally. I don't scrape knees anymore at my age. And I don't like dealing with the hassles of chain and sprockets.
Nice vid, with lots of great info.
Same here. Shaft drive takes out a major maintenance hassle. Bee Em makes some pretty good shaft drive cycles.
@@Nickbaldeagle02 I always regret not getting a Beemer and a Guzzi. Wanted both. I did have a couple of Yamaha xs 1100s though. Loved those.
Both beautiful bikes in a different way. The Triumph looks more refined and clean whereas the BMW does not try to hide anything, no fakery…I respect that
As much as they are being diplomatic, this is a very honest review.
I rode the Triumph & loved it...but I dig the R nine / 5 version of the BMW....glad youre OK
Be nice to know what you guys think of the final drives. Personally, I wouldn’t go back to chains mainly because of the mess the oil throws everywhere. Might make a difference for many buyers.
Shafts are convenient, but the power loss is greater than belt or chain by far, up to a 25% loss, compared to 10-15%.
Todd K I guess if you want to squeeze that last extra bit of power you need to have chain drive. But at the power levels achievable by the BMW, you’re right, for the majority, no one will be bothered. They didn’t even mention it.
@@TK-cl1jm I do, I want to get the most out of my engine possible. I doubt I'm the only one.
@@TK-cl1jm I have squeezed everything out that I can afford to squeeze out, its not the fastest bike ever made but its ok for me. Is that ok? Did I do something wrong? If I did will you forgive me? Please Todd don't tell the internet comment police on me :( why are you so hurt, maybe I can help.
@@TK-cl1jm I know that no bike gives you the option, but when shopping for a bike that suits my needs the performance of the bike holds a higher spot on my list than maintenance issues, so when you said "who cares about performance loss" I said I did because all things being equal I would take the set up that performs better than the one that saves me the most time. If that makes sense.
Very cool, and glad you are OK!
Would be so interesting to see you reviewing the Triumph T120, as it is the better Triumph for a slow joyful riding experience.
And to mix things up a bit, you can pick the BMW R nine T Pure instead and each of you rank the 4 bikes from the ultimate favourite for cruising to least favourite.
"Our pick between the two of them...". If - you give it to them. $5K is not inconsequential.
I would pick the R9T so I can sell it, buy a Speed Twin, and have $5k in my pocket 🤣
Thien Nguyendo Brillant ! Good idea Bro ! I’m in 😆🤣🤣
Right? I'm looking to pick up a whole bike for $5k! Not new, but minty mid sized v-twins are $5k in my area all day long.
I like the R NineT better, but that $17k price tag would keep me looking for alternatives.
Thanks for review. Just got R nine t - as recommended - very happy
Thank good you are OK Troy. Just made me think about a Dainese Airbag that I tried before Covid started and then forgot about it.
The T looks like something I WANT to ride, while the BMW looks like something I’m told I should ride.
Glad the gear kept you with us.
Now I'm a bit of a Triumph fan boy, but that RnineT is a fine looking bike!
wow! Glad you're ok! You seem to be in good spirits and collected! It could have gone so horribly wrong!
Both bikes are good in their own segment, you can check out the Kawasaki z900rs.
Triumph for me. It was the most comfortable and the torque was very nice.
Shouldn’t this version of the BMW be compared with the Thruxton R?
Been done. The BMW is far more comfortable than the Thruxton though. Faster too. The low redline on the T120hp engine hampers its progress in the real world.
The BMW (I believe) weighs quite a bit more than the Triumph, which means that even with more power, it's not going to blow the Triumph's doors off (if it takes it out at all). I'm not sure I agree on the comparison in terms of look, either; the Triumph is pretty darn retro, whereas the BMW is more of a pseudo-retro, stylistically. This is all before we get on to the main issue - you're comparing a higher-trim BMW to the Triumph; you should be comparing the Pure from BMW. Both of them are great bikes, but the gap between them really isn't that large, and if you compared the Speed Twin to the R9T you SHOULD have compared it to (the Pure), the Triumph wins hands-down.
that's it, I'm looking into airbags...
Hi I’m 6’ this those gonna fit me well? What do you suggest
Hope your good and have no long term injuries.
Yeah - forgot to say hope the crash didn’t leave you with any permanent marks or serious hassles Troy. Wishing you well man.
Permanent marks? Well, you really can't make me any dumber, so maybe it made me smarter!
'21 and later is not even comparable. The Speed Twin got a slight upgrade in components to USD forks and brembo brakes with a bump in HP, essentially matching the RnineT in some aspects... but, the RnineT got cruise control and LED all around. They are the same price new. I think the BMW is the better value and the better bike...
Damn! Glad your ok Troy!! I was too busy looking at the bikes to notice you were in different gear. But then I didn't notice that the colour of the bikes was different either so who knows what I was looking at... The red triumph looks better anyway.
I own a Speed Twin with upgraded suspension. Fully adjustable Nitron fork and fully adjustable rear Ohlins. Bought a '19 black one for 10k +2k in suspension parts. This bike is great. Much cheaper than the BMW and would compare better to it than the stoc
If you are 5'10" or shorter and built skinny, definitely check out the Triumph Street Twin and Street Scrambler models. They feel just like a 1969 Bonneville except, silky smooth engine with much more power, suspension that is absolutely dialed in and plush at the same time, phenomenal brakes, and sound like a Ducati. Thank me later!
It is not a parallel twin that refers to the crank angle of the pistons and it is a 270 degree angle on the Street Twin. Correct is a transverse twin like a transverse engine in a car has the cylinders arranged perpindicular to the frame. An inline engine would be a v-twin like a Harley or such the cylinders are in line with the bike...likewise my Z1000 is a transverse 4 cylinder not inline as is the usual description...
Would you have been able to stop if you were on the BMW? I think you guys need to look at revisiting this turn with that in mind.
Obviously the advertised engine specs are at the crank and the bmw will have more loss due to the driveshaft. That doesn't mean either manufacturer lied about it.
Which bike will out last the other??
I like this no b.s approach to a comparison video!!!
Can someone tell what canyon these guys are riding on in the video. I understand it’s in Souther California. But which road is it? Thanks
Love the R9T, but it costs US$40k in my country. Triumph is still an eye watering US$27k.
Triumphs and Porsches, seems like a combo I've seen before. :D
I’m so glad your ok Troy. 🙂 Also, I’ve been waiting for this review.💕😍
love love the sound of both bikes! I like the aesthetics of the r nine t pure over this model here. I'd pick that over the speed twin i think.
9:11 It is not because it's a boxer engine. It's because it is a longitudinally mounted engine. Moto-Guzzis and Triumph Rocket 3 do same thing when you rev the engine.
Upd. Kinda my thoughts. Put bigger disk radial brakes on that Triumph, put inverted fork rfom a super sport bike, put a progressive shock onto the rear suspension, make the hole suspension fully adjustable-and there you'll have it, the price of this Triumph will match, if not overcome, the R nine T's price. The performance will be closer or the same as well, I think.
What airbag were you wearing?
Major difference shaft vs chain drive, I pick the R9T any day, a well sorted and proven motor, I hear that Triumph are experiencing gear box problems.
Sound is such a huge part of a bike for me. Triumph by miles...
Did you have the Tech-Air 5 ??,,,Cause I have one also, how did it do ???, glad you're ok
I love both bikes and think it's a fair comparison, the extra cost of the the beemer for the better spec seems fair BUT the one defining difference you didn't mention is SHAFT DRIVE for the beemer...
Ride the bike you love,love the bike you ride.
BMW Pure is far cheaper actually cheaper then Triumph.Its a real bargain IMO. Basically you gave up some adjustability and extra gauge otherwise same everything else.
''These are both cool bikes'' - this has to be the worst motorcycle review of 2 decent bikes. IMHO.
However the Triumph has torque in the RIGHT place. It does the job and BMW is way too EXPENSIVE for what it is in the real world.
You can say the same about Triumph - it's expensive, for that money it has to have adjustable suspension... It's probably just marketing, to separate Speed Triple from Thruxton, but the suspension upgrade will cost a lot if you choose to do it.
Glad your okay, dude!
I have the older RnineT (2015) and absolutely love it, though, I agree that i'd like the rake to be shorter. Another thing to keep in mind to, is you'll scrap the heads if you have bad body positioning, I was used to having a motorcycle where scrapping the footpegs wasn't a big deal... but on the BMW, it becomes a very big deal (something the racer series has found out too) lol
I scraped the peg feelers a few times on the BMW. That was definitely enough lean angle for me!
Yes in your dreams
If you're coming from a sport bike background and you like the speed twin give the thruxton a go. Same engine but a much more aggressive riding position. A bit more expensive as it has much better components, closer to the R nine t's.
Good test guys, what you could have answered is if you had to pay for it what would you likely choose.
Mind asking what airbag were you wearing ?
Dunno.. the beemer seems better quality but there is something about the simplicity of the speed twin that I just love! Hope they make a higher spec one next year when I'm getting one ;)
Wow, last year I got t-boned and luckily had no broken bones. I too was wearing an airbag jacket, will never ride without one!
I don't think this was a bad comparison. These are the exact two specs I'm considering.
m2, Which one have you decided on?
I think my Speed Twin is great but I would like to ride the BMW to see what those radial brakes feel like glad you are of after the off 🇬🇧👍
I really like the loose vibe of the presenters together
Did you use sport mode on the Triumph ?
I own a RnineT/5 and was considering the Speed Twin. I think either is a fine bike although I've never rode th Speed Twin I have ridden the Thruxton. Just go with whichever one calls to you more. In comparison it's like splitting hairs. I do prefer the shaft drive over a chain.
Really good video!!! Thanks a lot, and I'm glad you're okay!! Keep up the good job you're doing ✌🏼
glad you are fine. I ordered a new Speed Twin this time gray after they cut my way.
How is the reliability so far?
Glad you're OK. 3 commercial brakes in 8 minutes? A bit much and makes watching difficult.
I would also choose the R nineT 😉. Glad you made it out of that crash.
I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking, but it looks like you had lots of runoff room to the right. Did you consider avoiding the Porsche that way?
Please, please, please say something about range. Not just tank volume including reserve, not just mileage which can vary depending on ?, but real range during a wide variety of riding conditions especially during long distance sport crusing. Run it out of gas a few times. How many miles before you switched to reserve. Does the bike have a saddle tank with a gallon of gas unavailable on the side of the tank opposite the fuel tap? I FINALLY learned to to lay my bike on its side so gas flowed from one saddle to the other. Imaging and riding throughtout Eastern Oregon where gas stations can be few and far between. Range anxiety can be the issue which spoils your ride and can be the deciding factor when choosing between two closely matched bikes
Michael Ripplinger The BMW has a tank range of about 200 km before the low fuel indicator lights. You then have about 3.5 litres of fuel, and you can use the onboard computer to work out the range you have left. I've got a RnineT slash five, and it's showing just 620Kms on the clock. It came new with a full tank, and I have filled up three times now and the tank is full. The engine is being run in still, it was tight for the first tank of gas but loosened up around the three hundred Km mark.
It's pleasant to ride, but I found the temperature sensor to be a little disconcerting, since it read 126 degrees C, but the dealership said that's normal on a new engine on a hot day, apparently they will run at 145 degrees C and the oil is good up to 200! I can't see that happening in the UK though! and it now runs around the 100 to 110 in traffic.
It's fitted with a Calalytic converter, and pops an bangs when slowing down through the gears and growls in a pleasant way as you accelerate up the gears. If you have the throttle open at the right place in third gear, it purrs pleasantly at 30mph.
It comes with ABS, and ASC, and has heated grips. (I've not needed them yet.) you can turn off the ABS and ASC on the move.
Mine came with a £750 accessory contribution, so I had the rev counter fitted, which you get on the R9T, but not on the pure, the wiring harness has the plug already installed so fitting was not a problem.
I like my bike.
I like the Triumph too, but I'd choose the T120 black edition.
The /5 BMW gets lots of admiring looks from passers by, and the audible comments have all been favourable.
Hope this helps you.
@@monochromaticlightsource9153 The metric/standard conversion strikes again. Bilingual? Not me. Ok, maybe a few phrases in Italian. A word or two in a half dozen languages. My current bike, a Suzuki VX (Not especially current) goes 250 miles + until fumes make riding difficult. Will the Speed Twin do that? Will any bjke, short of an 800 pound touring bike, measure up? Stay tuned for a Triumph Speed Twin RT,(Race Touring).
Bikes as a system of gyroscopes...the BMW will be more agile..and quick handling...its crankshaft spins at right angle to the wheels...make bike far more agile than first thought...the low center of mass helps this.