Perez is a below average driver. He has the fastest car and can’t even consistently break the top 5. Max crashes, gets a flat tire and still finished ahead of him
@@joaovictorramos5582 they would drive a tractor to the limit even if it is boring. But this cars seems like they are glue to the floor, old ones feels like they are almost floating. Just look at the videos man.
@@purwantiallan5089 2004 F1 cars in conventional low downforce trim didn’t top out at 400kph lol it was more 360-365kph You’re thinking of the one off BAR car that was a “legal” f1 car at the salt flats but in a configuration no one would ever run
I love the new self-leveling cameras they’ve begun to use because it has that higher FOV. I’m starting to see F1 broadcasts showcase more speed rather than sponsors and it’s been great :)
@purwantiallan5089 2024s engines are heavily restricted due to the fact they have to last. That old v10 was tuned turned up to the maximum. Today's engine are quicker
nothing is stopping the fia to change the regulations and put v10s in modern cars. vettel prooves that 0 emmissions racing is very doable even without electric engines.
@@the4GIVEN F1 are just getting into E fuels for 2026, not to mention the 2026 regs being heavily influenced by huge manufacturers. But yes the chance of the hybrid system being removed has become more likely. Give the teams some years with Efuels first and see how it goes, they need to test the waters before going all in
@@aswadsaswad1759 Because they have 20+ years of development over the the v10s. If you develop these v10s with todays technology they would blow these vacuum cleaners out of the water.
@@tomsoyer5639 no they wouldn't... the rpm limit for these v6 hybrids is 15,000 however, the actual limit is around 12,000. why? because of excessively lean fuel at higher rpms. why? because the regulations state that there is a maximum fuel flow rate which did not exist to hamper the v10s at the time. can you imagine if the v10s had the same fuel flow limits as the v6?
@@purwantiallan5089 Ferrari's will be competitive at Austria, Las Vegas, Singapore and Azerbaijan... But if they actually pull off those wins will be another story.
Very nice comparison to see F1 cars 20 years apart. The camera zoom on F2004 is much better for speed feel. But actually F2004 is NOT a qualy car it can't even warm up his tyres properly for that 1 qualy lap. Race pace give a better perception of the difference between this 2 cars: Leclerc FL 1:17,897, Schumy FL 1:17,450.
Also keep in mind that the track has been resurfaced in 2018 with 3sec improvement from 2017(also different tyre compounds and cooler conditions). Before that catalunya was infamous for a very low-grip asphalt.
Drivers conserve energy during the race, in quali they set the MGU-K to hotlap mode which takes all up the energy in one lap but it makes the car even faster
It's crazy that despite being over 3 seconds slower, the footage of the F2004 *LOOKS* so much faster than the SF-24 That's really what we need, the appearance of speed, even if the cars are in reality slower
The modern cars suffers from being too stable. Despite being slower the 2004 era of cars looks demonic compared to the mundane on-the-rails cars of today. The sound also helps giving the impression of a true monster ready to gobble up anyone not ready to put their life on the line
@@kenlykkeslett7501 not quite actually, the FOV camera on those V10s makes them appear fast, also the small size of the cars allows for more landscape to get into the footage frame, i mean with a wide enough angle cam, even my father's ford focus looks fast
@@haohan5082 pretty sure they haven't changed lens angles on the mounted cams. I think it's the frame rate and resolution that makes the difference in perceived speed
The fact that they had to qualify with race-fuel is actually more significant for the 2004 then it would be for the 2024 car (ignoring refueling for a moment). Because they are heavier anyway and have more down-force means an extra 50kg (just an example) has less impact now than it had back then.
F2004 is still a joy to watch and listen being a Schumacher fan I enjoy it more with Michael of course. The cars look like they’re on a knives edge it’s fun to watch. The onboards have a better sense of speed it’s great.
Not the best thing to mention the F2004 had no DRS, it had its own benefits like traction control, 10 cylinders, weighed up to 200Kg less than SF24 and revved up to 18Krpm or a bit more...Best to just compare the packages as a whole and not nit pick...
f2004 with modern slicks wouldn't change much as the 2004 tires had more grip than the current ones due to the tire war although You could transform the 2004 tires into slicks, making slick tires with the same 2004 compounds
Adding slicks would ruin the balance of the car, the 2000s also had a major tyre war which meant the grooved tyres were much more developed than the current slicks of today, ferrari basically had tyres specifically designed for their car.
dont know why everyone throws that narrative around. its actually pretty disrespectful to the tyre manufacturers back then who were locked in a tyre war to produce the absolute best tyre in the world. while a slick would obviously provide more grip than that of a grooved tyre, that is true only if the tyres are identical bar the grooves (slicked pirelli). these grooved tyres were strong enough to last an entire race and allow a driver to push flat out the entire race... nowadays we have pirellis that sometimes disintegrate before a full push lap is finished.
@@goomerpyle6005It's not disrespectful. It's just a fact that on single lap slicks are better and give better times. I think Alonso showed a couple of years ago how fast cars from that time are on slicks.
Luckily for the listeners the F2004 was able to mostly drown out the SF-24 in one key area, and we even got to listen to it alone for an extra 3.2 seconds.
It was bigger changes than just the tires the cars also got smaller overall and additional safety features added The 1998 cars was defo slower than 1997 and the 1999 cars were even slower due to the sport going to the control tire ruleset for 1999-00 (one tire make series slows down the cars) A lot of lap records set in 1997 weren’t broken till 2001 when the tire wars came back
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I think they should get rid of those stripes of astroturf or concrete or whatever they place beyond kerbs. It encourages drivers to place the kerb underneath the car rather than under the tyres and leave no margin on track limits.
I wonder if the SF-24 could nearly do T9 flat out, could the W11 with the same medium downforce setup do it flat out? We’ve seen it go flat out at that corner before but I can’t tell the setup they went for.
Buongiorno, sono 2 paragoni assurdi! Quella di schumaken è una macchina del 2004 praticamente 20 anni prima e poi ha le gomme scolpite!!! Se avesse solo le gomme slig...credo ché avesse fatto minimo il stesso tempo!!!
@@MechaporcoOFICIAL Yes, it's quite impossible for modern cars to end up on the track with almost empty tank. I hear they finish the race with at least half a tank of fuel. True story.
Alot of 2000s cars still hold race lap records i think, mp4-20 still holds the race lap record for Bahrain. I don’t expect those to be broken anytime soon due to the lack of refueling limiting these new cars to be heavier during the races.
@@srthebox4946 It's not actually a lot. Monza, Bahrain and Shanghai are the only ones I can think of. Everywhere else the record was beaten in 2019 or 2020.
no surprise on such a downforce intensive track. the real logical, evened out comparison would be: f2004/v10: +slicks, +drs, -tc or more easily f2004/v10: +slicks, -tc sf24/v6th: -drs this accounts for features of the car that are pure advantages and accessories that dont fully constitute the formula. also need to be on equal tracks. many of the new records were set on new surfaces, different finish lines, reprofiled turns, expanded curbs and runoff etc
I'd be curious to do this same comparison but with fastest race laps instead of qualifying. I have a feeling it would be much, much closer. With modern cars having to carry enough fuel for the race they are massively slower than qualifying times. 2024 pole was 1:11.3 vs 1:17.1 fastest race lap. 2004 pole was 1:15.0 as shown in the video, but fastest race lap was 1:17.45.
Funny how they went to the chicane for “safety” but now it’s back with tecpro and the cars are faster than ever! I’m starting to doubt these claims about what is safe and what isn’t!
Kinda wish F1 would adopt an areo screen like indycar instead of halo virtually the same thing. But f1 wants to be known as the first in tech just like with the 360 cameras
In the 15 years since the last championship( the constructor one in 2008) Ferrari most of the times got worse in the second part of the season, the upgrades almost never seem to work😔; I'm italian so that's why the sad emoji, hopefully we don't have to wait another 21 years to win something like it happened with the championship of Scheckter in 1979 and the first Schumi's title in 2000.
Continues to amaze me the marketing value of the v10 engine and how its tone not continued to be used in today's regs Everyone associates that screaming engine with F1, speed, and it is certainly an attention getter. The fans want V10 and we get 50% battery cars instead 😅😅
Let's just equal what we can easily swap. Tyres, No DRS (just don't use it) and of course, make the track the same, and also, make both cars qualify with low-fuel. The 2004 had about 40 or 50kg more on it's base weight because of fuel alone. And it beats the 2024 car... The only cars with a chance are the 2018-2020 top cars of those grids. Just taking regulations into account and how easily we could upgrade the 2004 cars, they are still a marvel. You could easily make them the fastest cars ever by just giving them slicks and make them qualify on low-fuel which are ridiculously easy things to do. It would probably be track specific though, but on most tracks, it would have any of the hybrid era beat. 3.3 seconds faster on a track that is 0.7s faster as well, so realistically, it was just about 2.5s faster. Just by swapping slicks alone, the F2004 would get this laptime back... The grip level is just on another tier from groove to slick. Now don't use DRS on the new cars and give 40-50 less kgs of fuel to the F2004, and it beats the 2024 cars by probably 1 second. It's in the realm of the 2018-2020 cars which are the fastest ever cars.
That year 2004 regulation didnt reflect the true low fuel qualifying - need to put actual race fuel not like now - need to compare fastest lap 2004 vs 2024 how they ended up.
spectacular video However, in the pre-season tests, F2004 did less than 1:14, and in Q1 they did 1:14.500, but still a great video. 2024 cars are a monster
Currently Ferrari is 2nd in standings behind by 60 pts Considering Perez's form as of late, all it would take is a few DNFs from Max and the constructors title is very much in doubt
Different track layouts meaning different setups it’s not an ideal comparison plus the 2024 cars start the lap at a much higher speed than the 2021 lap due to the lack of a chicane
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 not much higher + not much different setups, if anything it's more impressive that Lando was 0.1 faster in sector 2, which has all the corners despite the the new layout increasing the full throttle time during the lap, which mean less wing is required.
Between the 2020 run of Alonso on the R25 and Assetto Corsa,the F2004 got involved in the same level of conspiracy and bizarre teories than the Mk4 Supra.
It’s wild that even with more horsepower overall, more downforce due largely to less stringent regulations on the underside of the car, and significantly more mechanical grip from a wider car with wider slick tires as opposed to grooved the current cars are still only a few seconds a lap faster here. Even more so when you consider that changes in the track itself make up about 1 second of that difference. 20+ years of knowledge and development later and the 04 cars are still not far off even though they were quite heavily regulated themselves.
@@giacomo1439 Yeah. So? McLaren was pretty much dead last at the start of last year. If they could rise to the top in such a small timeframe, why would it be impossible for Ferrari?
Because their main rival ,red Bull have Adrian Newey for that last year, which means he will design RB21 and we will see no changes in race results. Whereas in 2026 Red bull won't have Newy and we have rules changed,so...
@@thletrelas3817 McLaren was close to dead last at the start of last year. If they could claw their way to the top, so can Ferrari. If they will is another matter, but it's not impossible.
about racing fuel in Q1 or even in pre-season tests, the 2004 cars were faster than in pole time But it wasn't that big of a difference. it was only 0.5 or at most 1 second faster
Slicks won't make them faster. The grooved tires had more grip, and they had traction control. Alonso did a qualy lap in abu dhabi 2020 with his old renault, it did 1:38.9, with soft slicks. The pole for that race was 1:35.2 and the next year 1:22.1.
They don't need to go above 350km/h. Anything beyond that is too much breaking for the drivers and too much speed for the cars. They need more cornering speed than straight line speed. It's not Indy, yk.
F2004 looks so much more fun to drive and more challenging for the driver. Modern cars look too stable for split second decisions. Which also explains why Max prefers looser rear on his cars that gives much more freedom for moves, but requires more precise inputs.
nope, the V10s had traction control and if you have run cars with and without them, you'll notice big differences, espacially when you are running 200mph, Max doesnt prefer sharp front-end bcuz of fun stuff or such, a sharp front is always quicker than back bcuz it heads the cars into corner's entry quicker, but less stable, in fact it is the other way around, you don't have much freedom with a sharp front cuz 1 wrong input and your car goes drifting all over the place, a heavy back could give you more time to correct
How did Perez lose to an Alpine in Spain Q3: ua-cam.com/video/e7T8nUh5Txk/v-deo.html
Alpine isn't a bad team, they'll be towards the front of the grid soon.
Perez is a below average driver. He has the fastest car and can’t even consistently break the top 5. Max crashes, gets a flat tire and still finished ahead of him
That 2004 footage just looks so much faster and more dangerous
Looks faster because of the wider angle camera, and it looks more dangerous because.. it is more dangerous 😆
and because of the smaller cars
The cameras hide the speed more nowadays
@@MyRealNameAnd the car takes more space on screen. It looks more stationary.
2004 did not had DRS and slicks
Also 2024 can't do many that quick lap in the row because after 1 lap battery is empty
Yep 2004 slower in corners but a thrill to watch the car is so much more on the edge
And also not solely dependent on DRS.
Wait a minute, are you saying the current drivers aren't racing to the limit? Damn it! I've been deceived
@@joaovictorramos5582 they would drive a tractor to the limit even if it is boring. But this cars seems like they are glue to the floor, old ones feels like they are almost floating. Just look at the videos man.
@@joaovictorramos5582 And I said the cars, not the drivers.
@@enrike206 also, in this video you can hear how to the traction control is working on the F2004 while current cars are glued to the track flat out
I wished modern car cams had more FOV, like the 2004 footage. It feels so much faster even though its 3s a lap slower
2004 F1 cars even can hit 400kph whilst 2024 spec F1 cars can only hit 375kph.
@@purwantiallan5089 2004 F1 cars in conventional low downforce trim didn’t top out at 400kph lol it was more 360-365kph
You’re thinking of the one off BAR car that was a “legal” f1 car at the salt flats but in a configuration no one would ever run
I love the new self-leveling cameras they’ve begun to use because it has that higher FOV. I’m starting to see F1 broadcasts showcase more speed rather than sponsors and it’s been great :)
Yeah i always thought it was weird how zoomed in the modern onboards are
@purwantiallan5089 2024s engines are heavily restricted due to the fact they have to last.
That old v10 was tuned turned up to the maximum.
Today's engine are quicker
The sound is worth of this +3.291 sec 🥳
nothing is stopping the fia to change the regulations and put v10s in modern cars. vettel prooves that 0 emmissions racing is very doable even without electric engines.
@@the4GIVEN F1 are just getting into E fuels for 2026, not to mention the 2026 regs being heavily influenced by huge manufacturers. But yes the chance of the hybrid system being removed has become more likely. Give the teams some years with Efuels first and see how it goes, they need to test the waters before going all in
I like the sound, but faster is better for me. (not counting the racing)
@@the4GIVENi hope 2028 we could see V10 engine sound back.
@@user-iu2om5mm6y My girlfriend doesn't get this "faster is better" unfortunately
323km with no DRS is crazy
That’s the way during that time
An unrestricted engine and free gear ratios to pick and change.
Today's engine are quicker
@@aswadsaswad1759 Because they have 20+ years of development over the the v10s. If you develop these v10s with todays technology they would blow these vacuum cleaners out of the water.
@@tomsoyer5639 no they wouldn't... the rpm limit for these v6 hybrids is 15,000 however, the actual limit is around 12,000. why? because of excessively lean fuel at higher rpms. why? because the regulations state that there is a maximum fuel flow rate which did not exist to hamper the v10s at the time. can you imagine if the v10s had the same fuel flow limits as the v6?
@@goomerpyle6005 I dont care about regulations my boy. All things being equal v10 > v6. This is common knowledge.
Maaaan, thank you so much for these videos! Superb work!
Ah jesus.. I miss these v10 and smaller cars! Peak F1
2006 V8 F1 cars also are the peak of F1.
@@purwantiallan5089 true that! :)
Ferrari has won 2 races
2024 the best amount that Ferrari can win races this season could be only about 2 or 3.
@@purwantiallan5089 Ferrari's will be competitive at Austria, Las Vegas, Singapore and Azerbaijan... But if they actually pull off those wins will be another story.
@@Quasar909Don't forget that Mclaren might be strong on all tracks too
@@Quasar909well well well... red bull and mclaren miles ahead and merc fighting ferrari for 3rd best car
Very nice comparison to see F1 cars 20 years apart. The camera zoom on F2004 is much better for speed feel. But actually F2004 is NOT a qualy car it can't even warm up his tyres properly for that 1 qualy lap. Race pace give a better perception of the difference between this 2 cars: Leclerc FL 1:17,897, Schumy FL 1:17,450.
With the race lap times being so close between the two cars it shows that the F2024 would have been much quicker on slicks.
Also keep in mind that the track has been resurfaced in 2018 with 3sec improvement from 2017(also different tyre compounds and cooler conditions).
Before that catalunya was infamous for a very low-grip asphalt.
Yep, have the circuit be the same, full tank (or 1 lap fuel) for both, same tyres for both, and the F2004 would likely be faster
What a sound. What a lovely sound.
2024 cars during quali: 🏎️💨🏁
2024 cars during the race: 🚜😴
Drivers conserve energy during the race, in quali they set the MGU-K to hotlap mode which takes all up the energy in one lap but it makes the car even faster
@@mystique4312 im aware, also quali fuel load with fresh softs
Just one wrong the 2024 car has 2 wins, Sainz in Australia and Leclerc in Monaco.
I hope it could grew with 4 wins.
That V10 sound tho.
What I would give to hear that in F1 again.
It's crazy that despite being over 3 seconds slower, the footage of the F2004 *LOOKS* so much faster than the SF-24
That's really what we need, the appearance of speed, even if the cars are in reality slower
The modern cars suffers from being too stable. Despite being slower the 2004 era of cars looks demonic compared to the mundane on-the-rails cars of today. The sound also helps giving the impression of a true monster ready to gobble up anyone not ready to put their life on the line
@@kenlykkeslett7501 not quite actually, the FOV camera on those V10s makes them appear fast, also the small size of the cars allows for more landscape to get into the footage frame, i mean with a wide enough angle cam, even my father's ford focus looks fast
@@haohan5082 I can agree that's part of the reason. Still think the unstable nature of the older cars helps with the impression of speed
@@kenlykkeslett7501 I agree with you a loud v10 and early 2000s shaky cam gives more illusion of speed than these modern cars with modern cameras
@@haohan5082 pretty sure they haven't changed lens angles on the mounted cams. I think it's the frame rate and resolution that makes the difference in perceived speed
2024 is way faster than 2004, yet it feels so much slower
SF24 have 2 wins not 1
yeA
Probably forgot about Australia (Sainz won there).
@@val_de_maar i would rather not count monaco as a win. that aint even a race
@@MrVish6666 If it is not a race, then how come only one driver can win? Did not all drivers wanted to win???
@@Sonnell its a race by defenition. in reality monaco is more like a parade.
Nothing can beat the thril of engine sound back then compared to now
The sound is sweeter than an opera singers orgasim.
The fact that they had to qualify with race-fuel is actually more significant for the 2004 then it would be for the 2024 car (ignoring refueling for a moment).
Because they are heavier anyway and have more down-force means an extra 50kg (just an example) has less impact now than it had back then.
F2004 is still a joy to watch and listen being a Schumacher fan I enjoy it more with Michael of course. The cars look like they’re on a knives edge it’s fun to watch. The onboards have a better sense of speed it’s great.
Only watching the left side, cant help it
Not the best thing to mention the F2004 had no DRS, it had its own benefits like traction control, 10 cylinders, weighed up to 200Kg less than SF24 and revved up to 18Krpm or a bit more...Best to just compare the packages as a whole and not nit pick...
F2004 with slick tyres is the biggest What If for me in F1.
and with DRS
2004 did not had DRS and slicks
Also 2024 can't do many that quick lap in the row because after 1 lpa battery is empty
f2004 with modern slicks wouldn't change much as the 2004 tires had more grip than the current ones due to the tire war although You could transform the 2004 tires into slicks, making slick tires with the same 2004 compounds
Adding slicks would ruin the balance of the car, the 2000s also had a major tyre war which meant the grooved tyres were much more developed than the current slicks of today, ferrari basically had tyres specifically designed for their car.
@@srthebox4946even the 2004 tires had more grip than the current ones
exceptional video. thank you
i love this chanel, mate.
greetings from Brazil
Put some slicks on the 2004 and its gonna be ballin hard
3-4 sec faster
dont know why everyone throws that narrative around. its actually pretty disrespectful to the tyre manufacturers back then who were locked in a tyre war to produce the absolute best tyre in the world. while a slick would obviously provide more grip than that of a grooved tyre, that is true only if the tyres are identical bar the grooves (slicked pirelli). these grooved tyres were strong enough to last an entire race and allow a driver to push flat out the entire race... nowadays we have pirellis that sometimes disintegrate before a full push lap is finished.
@@goomerpyle6005It's not disrespectful. It's just a fact that on single lap slicks are better and give better times. I think Alonso showed a couple of years ago how fast cars from that time are on slicks.
They're specifically built to fall apart fast. Thus ryre management is extremely important in today's F1.
and give DRS to 2004 or remove DRS from 2024 to make it fair
Luckily for the listeners the F2004 was able to mostly drown out the SF-24 in one key area, and we even got to listen to it alone for an extra 3.2 seconds.
This is a great channel. Sunscribed
Dang, wrote off the SF-25 before it even had a chance.
The F2004 just looks so much more full of energy
The F2004 onboard looks so much more intense!
can you compare laptimes of 1997 and 1998 f1 cars?
1998 was when they gave the cars grooved tires, Id be stoked to have a lap comparison between them.
That comparison wouldn't really tell much about the different tires as the change was so much more than that
It was bigger changes than just the tires the cars also got smaller overall and additional safety features added
The 1998 cars was defo slower than 1997 and the 1999 cars were even slower due to the sport going to the control tire ruleset for 1999-00 (one tire make series slows down the cars)
A lot of lap records set in 1997 weren’t broken till 2001 when the tire wars came back
Great Vid
See you in Austria! Looking forward to seeing Charles and Carlos bounce back strong! ✨ We need to work together as a team! Come on guys! Forza Ferrari! 💪🇮🇹🐎
I think they should get rid of those stripes of astroturf or concrete or whatever they place beyond kerbs. It encourages drivers to place the kerb underneath the car rather than under the tyres and leave no margin on track limits.
My left ear enjoyed this.
I wonder if the SF-24 could nearly do T9 flat out, could the W11 with the same medium downforce setup do it flat out? We’ve seen it go flat out at that corner before but I can’t tell the setup they went for.
Buongiorno, sono 2 paragoni assurdi! Quella di schumaken è una macchina del 2004 praticamente 20 anni prima e poi ha le gomme scolpite!!! Se avesse solo le gomme slig...credo ché avesse fatto minimo il stesso tempo!!!
Is it because the cars were so that much nearower in 04 that Schumacher corrects so much more?
Great video; as allways
one reason for the narrower fov on onboards is so sponsor logos appear larger. i hate it
Without slick tyres, without ground effect, without DRS, only 3 sec in 2004. We can say with the same weapons and the V10 on the f2004, it win easily.
" it is evolving, just backwards " - Pewdiepie
F1 cars are so big they make the tracks look smaller. Or like the f2004 made the circuit seem larger ykm.
Interesting comparison.
Now do the same comparison, but in Monza when F1 gets there. I mean, F2004 still holds the race lap record there.
Refuel
@@MechaporcoOFICIAL Yes, it's quite impossible for modern cars to end up on the track with almost empty tank. I hear they finish the race with at least half a tank of fuel. True story.
Alot of 2000s cars still hold race lap records i think, mp4-20 still holds the race lap record for Bahrain. I don’t expect those to be broken anytime soon due to the lack of refueling limiting these new cars to be heavier during the races.
@@srthebox4946 It's not actually a lot. Monza, Bahrain and Shanghai are the only ones I can think of. Everywhere else the record was beaten in 2019 or 2020.
@@antonkirilenko3116 If this were true Sauber would win just by starting the race with half the fuel. No way this is correct.
So, when are we getting F2004 with DRS, quali fuel load and slick tires?
no surprise on such a downforce intensive track. the real logical, evened out comparison would be:
f2004/v10: +slicks, +drs, -tc
or more easily
f2004/v10: +slicks, -tc
sf24/v6th: -drs
this accounts for features of the car that are pure advantages and accessories that dont fully constitute the formula. also need to be on equal tracks. many of the new records were set on new surfaces, different finish lines, reprofiled turns, expanded curbs and runoff etc
i really wish we could see how fast the f2004 would be with DRS and slick tires
Song name during the pauses?
I'd be curious to do this same comparison but with fastest race laps instead of qualifying. I have a feeling it would be much, much closer. With modern cars having to carry enough fuel for the race they are massively slower than qualifying times. 2024 pole was 1:11.3 vs 1:17.1 fastest race lap. 2004 pole was 1:15.0 as shown in the video, but fastest race lap was 1:17.45.
Funny how they went to the chicane for “safety” but now it’s back with tecpro and the cars are faster than ever! I’m starting to doubt these claims about what is safe and what isn’t!
you are so fuccin good man
Kinda wish F1 would adopt an areo screen like indycar instead of halo virtually the same thing. But f1 wants to be known as the first in tech just like with the 360 cameras
I wonder what kind of times the F2004 could pull if you put it on modern slicks.
The downshifts of that V10... really, god helps that 2030 at least V8's could come back, we need a nice sound again on F1
are you sure that in 2004 they were already driving with full tanks in the qualifyng?
not full, but not almost empty
Not full tanks but not 1 lap worth of racing fuel
Usually in this era Spain was a 3 stopper
They would qualify with their 1st stint 's worth of fuel. Undisclosed amount each race.
Refueling made pit stops much more exciting. Now, it’s stop for 2.5 seconds to change tires.
@@gregrowe1168 not true
Goes to show the progress F1 cars have made. Despite rules slowing them down, engineers finds ways to make the car faster.
You can't compare between the cars, different technologies, different rules
In my opinion the 2000 era is still the best for n F1 history
If you put slicks on the F2004, there would be no contest
ferrari needs to send f2004 again on the new track but this time with slicks it would be great for the fans of the sport and publicity
literal beast v vacuum cleaner
The 2004 car had to start breaking earlier becasue of the tires (not full slick).
In the 15 years since the last championship( the constructor one in 2008) Ferrari most of the times got worse in the second part of the season, the upgrades almost never seem to work😔; I'm italian so that's why the sad emoji, hopefully we don't have to wait another 21 years to win something like it happened with the championship of Scheckter in 1979 and the first Schumi's title in 2000.
Continues to amaze me the marketing value of the v10 engine and how its tone not continued to be used in today's regs
Everyone associates that screaming engine with F1, speed, and it is certainly an attention getter.
The fans want V10 and we get 50% battery cars instead 😅😅
F1 cars were at least 1m shorter so they had to run 1m more than the news
Let's just equal what we can easily swap. Tyres, No DRS (just don't use it) and of course, make the track the same, and also, make both cars qualify with low-fuel. The 2004 had about 40 or 50kg more on it's base weight because of fuel alone. And it beats the 2024 car... The only cars with a chance are the 2018-2020 top cars of those grids.
Just taking regulations into account and how easily we could upgrade the 2004 cars, they are still a marvel. You could easily make them the fastest cars ever by just giving them slicks and make them qualify on low-fuel which are ridiculously easy things to do. It would probably be track specific though, but on most tracks, it would have any of the hybrid era beat.
3.3 seconds faster on a track that is 0.7s faster as well, so realistically, it was just about 2.5s faster. Just by swapping slicks alone, the F2004 would get this laptime back... The grip level is just on another tier from groove to slick.
Now don't use DRS on the new cars and give 40-50 less kgs of fuel to the F2004, and it beats the 2024 cars by probably 1 second. It's in the realm of the 2018-2020 cars which are the fastest ever cars.
Who else took off the right side of your headphones to listen in on that V10?
That year 2004 regulation didnt reflect the true low fuel qualifying
- need to put actual race fuel not like now
- need to compare fastest lap 2004 vs 2024 how they ended up.
spectacular video However, in the pre-season tests, F2004 did less than 1:14, and in Q1 they did 1:14.500, but still a great video. 2024 cars are a monster
I don’t know if the OP accounted for that 2004 poles were set on race fuel loads
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1in Q1 the cars did not use racing fuel and was on average 0.5 to 1 second faster
@@MechaporcoOFICIAL My bad didn’t see the Q1 part apologies there
Yeah surprised they didn’t use the Q1 lap instead of the race fuel lap
I hate when you pause it! just let the full laps play out
Currently Ferrari is 2nd in standings behind by 60 pts
Considering Perez's form as of late, all it would take is a few DNFs from Max and the constructors title is very much in doubt
But the car wasnt driving flatout and also there are different tracks in the calendar 😂
Do a video with 2024 pole vs 2021 pole for 2 sectors. 2024 was faster than 2021 by 0.5 until the end of sector 2.
Different track layouts meaning different setups it’s not an ideal comparison plus the 2024 cars start the lap at a much higher speed than the 2021 lap due to the lack of a chicane
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 not much higher + not much different setups, if anything it's more impressive that Lando was 0.1 faster in sector 2, which has all the corners despite the the new layout increasing the full throttle time during the lap, which mean less wing is required.
how did those cars have so much top speed without drs?
Less aero downforce and drag, car physically smaller and lighter, V10 power, no fuel flow limit.
Just bring back the V10 already!
Leclerc or Sainz fan? Which win did you count? 😂
F2004 was narrower as well by 20 cm
F2004 sound still miles above the SF24.
The conspiracy theories going on in the comment section about the F2004 make me lose faith in humanity man.
Between the 2020 run of Alonso on the R25 and Assetto Corsa,the F2004 got involved in the same level of conspiracy and bizarre teories than the Mk4 Supra.
In short, bring the v12 back, FIA
V 10 forever ❤❤❤
Interesting to see how much more kerb the track has compared to 2004. The V10 has to take much tighter lines.
It’s wild that even with more horsepower overall, more downforce due largely to less stringent regulations on the underside of the car, and significantly more mechanical grip from a wider car with wider slick tires as opposed to grooved the current cars are still only a few seconds a lap faster here. Even more so when you consider that changes in the track itself make up about 1 second of that difference. 20+ years of knowledge and development later and the 04 cars are still not far off even though they were quite heavily regulated themselves.
1 win? Hey, Sainz still race for Ferrari!
Not the same tyres , no DRS
why sould ferrari wait 2026 and not 2025?
Rule change
Because there are other 3 top teams faster than us
@@giacomo1439 Yeah. So? McLaren was pretty much dead last at the start of last year. If they could rise to the top in such a small timeframe, why would it be impossible for Ferrari?
Because their main rival ,red Bull have Adrian Newey for that last year, which means he will design RB21 and we will see no changes in race results. Whereas in 2026 Red bull won't have Newy and we have rules changed,so...
@@thletrelas3817 McLaren was close to dead last at the start of last year. If they could claw their way to the top, so can Ferrari. If they will is another matter, but it's not impossible.
the 2004 tires had more grip due to the tire war
F1 looks so slow with modern cameras. Doesn't do itself any favours.
3 sec slower is a disgrace from 2004 to 2024 ..
On the same track with same tires f2004 would slap any f1 car in history outside of w11
The 2004 car is so slippery,lot harder to drive.Lot more fun..half of the grid couldn't drive this car xd
Whatif: 2 laps fuel + slicks?
about racing fuel in Q1 or even in pre-season tests, the 2004 cars were faster than in pole time But it wasn't that big of a difference. it was only 0.5 or at most 1 second faster
Slicks won't make them faster. The grooved tires had more grip, and they had traction control.
Alonso did a qualy lap in abu dhabi 2020 with his old renault, it did 1:38.9, with soft slicks. The pole for that race was 1:35.2 and the next year 1:22.1.
@@rigel87552021 Abu Dhabi track had major changes so not a good comparison between 2020 and 2021 but yeah 2020 cars were seconds faster
SOVL vs SOUL LESS
Why is F1's top speed now down?
They don't need to go above 350km/h. Anything beyond that is too much breaking for the drivers and too much speed for the cars. They need more cornering speed than straight line speed. It's not Indy, yk.
Heavier cars and less ICE power and no more engine modes (party modes got banned in 2020 then engine modes got banned in 2021)
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Oh like that...okay thanks
F2004 looks so much more fun to drive and more challenging for the driver. Modern cars look too stable for split second decisions.
Which also explains why Max prefers looser rear on his cars that gives much more freedom for moves, but requires more precise inputs.
nope, the V10s had traction control and if you have run cars with and without them, you'll notice big differences, espacially when you are running 200mph, Max doesnt prefer sharp front-end bcuz of fun stuff or such, a sharp front is always quicker than back bcuz it heads the cars into corner's entry quicker, but less stable, in fact it is the other way around, you don't have much freedom with a sharp front cuz 1 wrong input and your car goes drifting all over the place, a heavy back could give you more time to correct
Next time you compare a V10 car and a V6 car, please mute the v6 car.
Put modern slicks on F2004 and put the 2004 tyres on SF-24 then we will see
Slick tires and drs, 2004 will reach more than 350
BRING BACK V10!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2:13 of course*
Give them slicks and the difference would be minimal if not none.