Stanley Jordan Plays the Periodical Table (Ionization Energies)
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- The ionization energy is the amount of energy required to remove a single electron from an atom. If the atom has more than one electron, each one requires more energy than the previous one. The result is a series of increasing energy levels, and in the quantum world these energies correspond to frequencies, as in a musical scale.
This raises an interesting question: if we could hear these frequencies how would they sound? I created an app to find out, and in this video I used my app to share what I learned. As it turns out, the results are quite musical.
Important note: This audio includes some very low frequencies, which you might not hear through typical cell phone or laptop speakers. I recommend listening with headphones or a high-quality playback system.
The app was created using the APL programming language.
This video was uploaded in 2021, and changed from unlisted to listed in July 2024.
Eric Weinstein showed an excerpt of this video to Terrence Howard on the Joe Rogan podcast in July 2024. That link is here: • Joe Rogan Experience #...
Here, because of Eric Weinstein
Thanks Eric!
@@StanleyJordanOfficialEric sent me too. He said you are hella goated and have many Ws. This video is both bussin and informative. Heck yeah bro thank you for it
I think most of us are 😄
me too :)
How original. You win.
Am I only the one not here because of Weinstein/Rogan??! You popped up on my feed randomly and this is absolutely incredible!
I'm a nuclear medicine technologist by day and use radioisotopes to image hidden physiological problems that don't show up on CT/MRI.
I absolutely NEED this app! I'm thinking of an experiment involving the different possible energy levels of radioactive decay for any given radioisotope. We could even expand on it by possibly finding a way to incorporate the percentages that a certain decay will occur and doing 'I'm not sure yet' with them...
My brain is on fire right now and it's amazing! Thank you for this, kind sir! I really hope there's a way to get this up and running (so I don't end up trying to build it myself 😅). I can't even imagine what all of us frequency nerds could use this app for!
I own a software development company in the US (New Jersey). I’d be happy to work with you to build this into a web app so the public can access it, and experiment. If you’re interested we can figure out a way to get in contact and speak about it.
Thanks for listing this video so that others could see it.
Here because of Stanley's tweet. He is a legendary musician and thinker!
Thank you for making this video visible for all to see❤
I definitely had to look into it after watching Joe's Podcast.
To translate ionization energies into sound waves I calculate frequency from energy using Planck's energy-frequency relation: v=E/h where:
v = frequency (in Hz, or cycles per second)
E = energy in joules
h = plank's constant (6.62607015e-34).
This results in ultrasonic frequencies, so I then apply the law of octaves to transpose them into the audible range without changing pitch class.
In the case of multiple electrons I repeat this process to obtain musical chords and scales.
Example:
The ionization energy of hydrogen is 13 electron volts, which converts to 2.0828e-18 joules.
So, by the Planck relation we get the frequency 3.143341306e15 Hz.
To transpose that down, say, 44 octaves we divide it by 2^44, giving us 178.68 Hz, which is approximately F# below middle C.
My mother bought your album Flying Home in the early 90s and we would play it all the time. It has had a huge impact on my life and I never forgot about you. But it's ironic you did this because I eventually grew up to get in to science and sonification.
Ok, so I started studying guitar seriously a few weeks ago and it just struck me as making more sense to tune the guitar to all fourths due to symmetry, I searched about it and found Stanley as a proponent of it, so I found out your amazing unique way of playing and now I'm seeing music made out of ionization energies, and this is your official channel which actually has less than 2k subs, what kind of rabbit hole have I fallen into? 😍 this is straight up mad scientist stuff and it should be viewed by millions
So beautiful! I’m glad I paid attention in chemistry class, because I remember the visuals of atoms and shells and electrons, so I can “picture it.” Your insight is truly a gift to our world. ❤
I hear Eric ask Terrance if he knows Stanley Jordan. As if i'm in the room at Joe's, I hold back on replying, "a famous guitarist that taps different melodies simultaneous" because I don't want to look like a fool when Eric explains he's about to introduce some renowned physicist by the same name.
And here we are. Thank you for being the coolest, Stanley!
Would it be possible to arrange an "elemental" mode? I think it would be amazing to map a keyboard tuned to these with the periodic table entry on the key. It would be interesting to remake music theory based on these, kind of like the metric system for music theory?
You've opened the door here to a topic that greatly interests me. So far this project has been about using music to understand chemistry rather than the other way around. But I do think what you're suggesting could bear fruit if developed. The stage is set because we already have certain analogous hierarchies, such as molecules/atoms/subatomic particles being analogous to chords/tones/harmonics (or, more generally, partials). Also "tendency tones," tension- resolution, and "harmonic gravity" are analogous to chemical reactivity and physical gravity. So there's a lot to work with.
Also my app is, essentially, a keyboard instrument, but why stop at the standard periodic table? Eric Weinstein offers a hipper version, Terrence Howard revisits Walter Russell's wave-oriented version, and any of these sound samples could be triggered from a music keyboard or from any other MIDI controller for that matter. So I think what you're saying is spot on.
this reminds me of the work Erv Wilson has done with making sounds for shapes..i just wish he was still alive, so that he can add more shapes to his app that he offered on ios..it would be interesting to see the periodic table added and mapped out to a specific pattern that shows when an elemental note repeats..
I am here also because of Eric, but I have been your fan for a few years, at least five not that it matters but... I heard you and loved you and Charnett Moffett together, bless his soul ❤❤❤❤
Going from Nitrogen to Oxygen sounds beautiful
Thank you , so very much. This is so interesting. Hits you right in the cellular level. 🎶
Sweet! Thanks, was trying to find this video the other day and it was only a short clip.
I've been familiar with you for years, I love your guitar playing!...and I've seen you play live with DMB but I had no idea you were working on this amazing topic! (that I've wondered about many times).. Incredible...Thank you so much for sharing.
Amazing, Eric Weinstein sent me.
Listened to your "Mozart Piano Concerto 21" on guitar. Blown away! I am also here because of Eric Weinstein and so happy to stumble across your content.
Oh yes, the second movement (andante). I performed of it here: ua-cam.com/video/upYc0-Ohqs8/v-deo.html
It's really incredible that you had this idea, built an app to bring it into reality, and explained it all in a way that's easy for even a layman like myself to follow and understand. Thank you! Edit: I didn't listen through to the end for the song, so cool! I loved the arrangement, hope you upload it separately.
Amazing, I use to run organometallic experiments with music in the background. When my Prof attempted to recreate my experiment to grow my crystal and failed. My response was, did you have country music playing in the background.
Organomettalics are, of course, compounds, and I did sonifications of the infrared spectra of about 400 compounds back in the 90s. That was on an old computer that died, and now you're inspiring me to rescue the data and get it going again. One interesting thing I remember is that water was the only one where the spectrum actually sounded like the thing itself. From that my ears told me that water is significant for its ability to carry a wide range of frequencies.
Please do....there's something there❤
Body ~86% water, water of the creator, resonate energy for creation
I'd love to hear water, before and after the introduction of shungite
Music is sonic chemistry
I love this.
And I think you can also say that chemistry is substantiated sound. Consider this: chemical elements and compounds are normally detected using spectroscopy, which is an analysis of frequencies.The ear actually does that better than the eye. The eye can only see about 1 "octave" of light, but the range of the ear is much greater.
@@StanleyJordanOfficialyou’ve stumbled yourself upon the truth my friend. Everything “physical” is just energy and information packets vibrating very slowly.
Here from New Zealand because of Eric. Btw lower the note slower it's vibration/movement.
Here because I’ve been listening to stanly my whole life.
At 48 mins I thought Knight Rider was coming 😄 Love this, need to understand more about the science and maths but happy to just enjoy your breakdown and creation of the periodic table as sound 🙌🌟
Everything's connected. Got here from Brockley, London, England, because of a Tweet by Eric Weinstein recommending Stanley Jordan's Sonification project which intrigued me. I'm working on a project to Save Britain's Pubs, called The People's Pub Partnership. I'm VERY interested in musicians playing live gigs in pubs to make new ideas and exciting, innovative music accessible right to audiences of everyday people who'd likely never, ever come across mind expanding concepts outside of going to The Pub... where meeting people you'd never meet otherwise to exchange ideas is not weird but just normal.
Everyone is connected - and this reminds me of a book called The Music of The Primes by mathematician by Marcus Du Sautoy from Oxford University
When I heard you were pursuing a PhD in music I never would have dreamed anything like this! You never cease to blow my mind Stanley.
Thanks, but not currently pursuing a PhD in music. However, I would love to do just that--some day perhaps...
Have you seen the new periodic table set up by frequency? It has octaves. And would make visual and phonetic sense. Love this, would download!
Thank you Stanley. 😍 Been following your music for decades.
Remember he-man the movie ? He had some crazy musical instrument when he played it it opened up some portal to dimensions. lol. Trippy though
thank you for posting this- excited to hear see smell touch taste what gets created from this ;) kolee
Excellent excellent stuff!!!
Coming back to this a few days later. My mind is swimming with questions and possibilities.
Have you ever tried “reverse quantizing” songs onto the periodic table?
E.g. take Mary Had a Little Lamb or whatever and shift the notes to the nearest note on the periodic table.
Great idea!
Around 15 years ago I discovered Stanley’s guitar tapping methods which opened a new portal to a whole new world of possibilities on the fretboard. I’m forever grateful.
I’d love to learn more about the periodic table in this video. Is there a link to this app so we could play around with it?
Thanks Stanley, keep on being curious! you mega-genius!
Awesome!
you watched Terrence Howard on the Joe Rogan Experience didn't you lol it is pretty fascinating though
Yes. Éric Weinstein was so inspired by his work, I had to find that video 🥰
After I saw Terrence Howard on Joe Rogan I was inspired to change this video from unlisted to published. UA-cam reset the date, but the video is actually 3 years old. I'm glad that you found it interesting and that more people are starting to see my sonification work.
This is so cool. I'm here because Eric as well. Nice work!
@@StanleyJordanOfficial Immediately when I saw this I tried to search it up. I found your website.
@@StanleyJordanOfficialyour page is probably going to blow up now.. something like 10 million people watch that Joe Rogan interview. Between the first and second one together 👍👍
Wow, so cool! Can you share a clip of you using this live?
This is very interesting
Greatly appreciated. Are there any other resources or references for element tones? I'd love to create some actual "metal" music with this Sonificiation concept 😅
very cool.. strange how you can feel a tension building with flourine, then kind of resolving with magnesium. Certainly worth exploring more..
Typically the elements in the left column have a low note separated by a relatively large interval because we're just starting to fill the next outer orbital shell and this new shell so far only has one electron. That lone electron is farther from the nucleus than all the others, thus easier to remove from the atom. By definition that's a lower ionization energy, and therefore a lower musical pitch. Pretty cool, huh?
If you take just the first ionization energy of each element you find a clear pattern. Check out 8:19. In each row of the table the tones follow an overall ascending pattern, then they go back down again for the next row.
NGL also here because of Eric!
I would like to have the table and app as a MIDI controller and explore tonal relationships of various elements that make common substances (e.g., what would sodium chloride sound like) . Because of this video i have a new musical direction. Thank you.
Yes, there's a lot there. I've also done some work on sonification of compounds, but this project here is just element ionization energies.
In general there's lots of real data from the natural world that can serve as inputs to our musical creativity.
Thank you, amazing music. It's possible create mix of elements, in a composition ¿H²O for example? Fantastic Master.
Listening at minute 11~ my dog is going crazy in a positive way reacting to the notes.
Eric Weinstein said to come here, so here I am.
Thsnk you for this video! Is there a place to get the app? The pitches seem to move like they do in the harmonic series where larger intervals are at the bottom and they get closer together as the additional notes are added. Is the lowest note considered the "fundamental" frequency for the element and the notes above it fill that particular "scale?" In your Midi creation, you say you chose which would be the lowest note as per artist choice. I assume that's based on what notes are present in the element so you can determine the key? If the lowest note isn't the key, then it seems some elements are "inverted" such as first, second, or third inversion. It's also interesting that you have Hydrogen as an F#. That makes much more sense that what Terrence Howard and Walter Russell have noted. And, it lines up with how everything else in creation works. So much food for thought in this video.
Hi, thanks, and lots here to respond to. First, the app is not currently available--sorry. But I'm looking into that thanks to requests such as yours.
Secondly, the intervals do tend to get smaller as we move toward heavier elements, but for a given element the interval structure is not based on a harmonic series. It's based more on the structure of the various orbital shells. But, make no mistake about it-there's lots of resonance, which you can hear by the predominance of consonant intervals such as octaves, thirds and fifths.
Thirdly, these ionization energies correspond to mutually exclusive states, so they would not occur simultaneously within a given atom. I like to combine in a chord in order to hear their relationships, but that's just my choice in the sonification mapping.
Finally, when I say hydrogen is F# I'm talking about the ionization energy, which corresponds to a frequency that is close to F# in a very high octave. Terrence Howard, on the other hand, is talking about resonant frequency which, for hydrogen, is a very high E natural, so in that sense Terrence is also correct.
@@StanleyJordanOfficial thanks for responding. I don't understand a lot about the periodic table but am desiring to learn how it musically works and connects to the universe. My expertise is music, not chemistry. With your comments, I can now research ionization energy. I'd not heard of that prior to your video. Thanks again for adding another layer of understanding to my deep dive into the periodic table.
When you play the note simultaneously, it's the vibration between electrons. When there are many electrons packed together, adding more causes them to behave collectively, like a hive vibrating in unison. This makes it impossible to distinguish the individual electrons that were present before, as they all merge into one collective vibration.
Yes, like the sound of a beehive or a flying drone's propellers, it's a cluster of sounds with similar pitch.
Will this app be available for the public? It would be so fun to use!
Thanks for asking. This app can't be distributed in its current form because it only works in a very specific software environment. However, I'm getting lots of requests, so I'm looking at porting it to a more shareable form.
@@StanleyJordanOfficial I'm stonished, I always looked for something like this, would be very nice to be able to play around with it
@@StanleyJordanOfficial thanks for the update! I look forward to hearing about updates!
It feels like it could work on the web... I believe the APIs exist for sound generation
@@StanleyJordanOfficial please do, or if could elaborate about the specific environment to operate this, that too would be appreciated :).
I had no idea Master Stanley's brain was as big as the galaxy! 🤯
APL was the first programming language I learned in 1974 lol.
What APL system were you using, and are you still using APL now?
Is this a program we can get?
Which element has the highest sound of resolution to you?
The element with the highest resolution would definitely be hydrogen. With only one electron, it's just a single tone. But for sheer sonic beauty boron is my favorite. It's a B♭Maj9 chord (49:00). Titanium has some very clear, even stark, resonances.
But keep in mind that these ionization energies are mutually exclusive states of an atom, so in the natural world they would not occur simultaneously as in a musical chord. That said, I don't think we're cheating to sonify them as chords because it's simply a way of representing the data. In the visual world we do this all the time, for example in a storyboard. In such cases I suppose we could say that our outcome is more epistomological than ontological.
Does this app exist as a vst?
This is the future.
I want to Download this app
Algorithms brought me here after listening JRE - Howard-Weinstein episode. Music matters.
Here because of The Real Bros of Simi Valley.
This is cool. What programming language / environment is this written in / for? Open source?
Programmer curiosity 😅
Programming language: APL. The particular implementation I used was APLX/Windows. APL is by far the best array programming language. In APL everything is arrays--even your program code. All the primitives extend elegantly to arrays, which practically eliminates the need to write loops, thus substantially reducing programming errors. And the combination of APL's interactive interpreter, concise symbolic notation, rich suite of primitives, unparalleled array-handling, extensible syntax, and full object orientation makes it the holy grail of text-based programming in my opinion.
@@StanleyJordanOfficialcool. I’ve never done APL, but have been programming since the 90s. I’m obsessively reliant on arrays both in memory and on disk. I’ve thought I was weird for this, but maybe I should look at APL.
Would love to collaborate in some way.
Off the top of my head, making some version of this available on the web.
And everyone thought Terrence was crazy
This would make great video game music
lmfao and here all this time I've been creating the bleeps and bloops of the universe with a cheap synth, incredible
What is it about an element that translates to a specific tone?
Each element has a tone for each of its electrons. Each electron has an ionization energy, which corresponds to a frequency, and my app transposes that frequency down into the audible range. That's the gist of it.
can we download this as an app?
Not yet but I'm working on it...
Is the app on Play store?
I just made this for my own use in order to explore these sounds. It only runs within a limited software environment, but, but I'm getting lots of requests so I'm considering porting it to a more distributable form...
So glad you did this. I had explored some other ways of doing some simulations to help make the expression of each physical aspect more intuitive to the individual who would hopefully benefit from a most elementary sense of how to interpret this integrated reality. Very meta really. Is that too weird or too reaching? It would also be nice to see a waveform graphed in time with the sound.
You have yourself a new fan club.
Can I be the president?
Wait, I finally, I think I want to be the queen. 👀
Thanks! We could also have a parliamentary system and make you prime minister. But is that too complicated? 😊
Can this be applied to Walter Russell's periodic table?
Short answer: yes because that's just another arrangement of the elements. But I do see a problem where Russell lists elements before hydrogen. What would their ionization energies be?
@@StanleyJordanOfficial not sure was just wondering how the music arrangement would sound
Terrance Howard Joe Rogan brought me here. So if you have low levels or one of these within your body could this be used to give more vitamin d or copper
Your question doesn't even make sense. If you had what in your body?
Are you asking if you could play these frequencies in your body to give it copper or vitamin D? If that's your question then the answer would be no. No, sound doesn't create elements in your body. I think, you're misunderstanding this video. The guy in the video is a musician and what he's presenting is art and not physic. The sounds have no relevant physical meaning. He's representing ionisation energies with certain frequencies of sound. Since that doesn't make sense physically he can do that any way he wants. Of course he does it in a way that makes us hear the sounds. But again there's no connection in physics or chemistry between those sounds and those elements.
If you want to learn physics are chemistry then please buy a chemistry or physics book with lots of problem sets for you to solve. Not only will it be fun, but you'll also understand a lot more about the real substance of our world. The world become very weird and exciting when you go down to the level of atoms and subatomic particles. It's worth learning the basic of physics and chemistry also because when scientists talk about things like energy and frequency you actually understand what they are talking about.
You could fix the Sun with this. Micro waves are the second in time , also speed of light . Gods hopeful you understand 🙏
How do you heal with this
Exactly
You might be able to relax by listening to this, but this doesn't heal anything. Your question doesn't even make sense and shows that you do not understand what he's doing here. This is art not science. He's a musician and not a physicist. He took the first ionisation energies of elements and asigned wavelenths to those ionisation energies. Yet you can't translate ionisation energies into sound waves. There's no connection in physics between ionisation energies and sounds. If anything you could asign a frequency to the photons that cause the ionisation, but that's not what he's doing. If you did that then you wouldn't be able to hear the sounds. Photons also have nothing to do with sounds. If you used photons of the correct wavelengths then those photons would be quite harmfull to human beings, since the would be in the UV range and above. You can see how our skin reacts to UV radiation, when you sit in the sun for too long.
So, it doesn't mean anything to associate sound waves with chemical elements. And if you used the frequencies of the photons used to ionize those elements, then those would do the opposite of healing you, they would burn your skin.
Physics and chemistry is fun. The best way to learn it is to go to school or by schoolbooks at the appropriate leven and do all the problems set (very important) and then progress to the next level from there.
@@stauffap To translate ionization energies into sound waves I calculate frequency from energy using Planck's energy-frequency relation: v=E/h where:
v = frequency (in Hz, or cycles per second)
E = energy in joules
h = plank's constant (6.62607015e-34).
This results in ultrasonic frequencies, so I then apply the law of octaves to transpose them into the audible range without changing pitch class.
In the case of multiple electrons I repeat this process to obtain musical chords and scales.
Example:
The ionization energy of hydrogen is 13 electron volts, which converts to 2.0828e-18 joules.
So, by the Planck relation we get the frequency 3.143341306e15 Hz.
To transpose that down, say, 44 octaves we divide it by 2^44, giving us 178.68 Hz, which is approximately F# below middle C.
This project uses sound and music as a modality for understanding some of the physics underlying chemistry. At the end I gave some thoughts on applying it to both science and art, but I didn't touch on the topic of healing. There are some thoughts and links about that on my stanleyjordan .com Web site in the music therapy section.
@@stauffap that’s right I don’t understand I’m not a scientist that’s why I’m asking. Hellooo
Terrance Howard for president
Terrence Howard's recent appearances on the Joe Rogan Experience have ignited a firestorm of polemic and controversy, but he has inspired millions of people to get newly excited about math and physics, and to see these subjects not as cold, boring, and strictly elitist, but rather as a rich and sacred ground for creativity, spirituality, and artistic expression.
I agree with Eric Weinstein that we must maintain scientific rigor, but we can do so while still being open to useful contributions from outside the academy, so Terrence could potentially play a valuable role, particularly in engineering.
But as president? Sorry, not feeling that. And I don't get the impression he'd want that gig.
Yes, but why? 😂
Sonification allows us to perceive data with our ears as well as our eyes, effectively making us smarter. Our ears are better suited to certain kinds of data, in particular frequency- and time-based information. We've all seen those 3D chemical models, but when you get into spectroscopy you realize that chemistry is largely about frequency.
Also, the auditory nerve splits and goes directly to every major brain center, making us wired for sound more than for sight. The result is a more whole-brain experience, which I believe can also increase our powers of wisdom by integrating reason and intuition.
I believe sonification (and musification) can directly address, and even heal, the negative side-effects of "ocular-centrism," or the unfair advantaging of vision over hearing, which I would argue kicked in with the Gutenberg Revolution and has been the bane of Modernity, dogging us still to this day.
Plus you can get some cool sounds out of it.
So that's why, basically.
@@StanleyJordanOfficial "I believe sonification (and musification) can directly address, and even heal, the negative side-effects of "ocular-centrism," or the unfair advantaging of vision over hearing, which I would argue kicked in with the Gutenberg Revolution and has been the bane of Modernity, dogging us still to this day." What? 😂
Not sure if someone told you this, but you sound like Sam Harris a bit.
Calling this Brilliant, doesn’t even touch it. This gives anything and everything a “voice”
What a ridiculous 28 minutes. Lol
Here because of Eric Weinstein