$360M Wasted on China’s ‘Most Advanced’ Tram, Dismantled Under 3 Years, Derailed in 3 Days
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Recently, the demolition of a tram section in Zhuhai city has sparked heated discussions online. This 8.89-kilometer-long tram, with a total investment of 2.6 billion yuan (about 360 million USD), began operations in June 2017. After more than three years of service, it was suspended in January 2021 due to an accident and has not operated since. Following over three years of debate over whether to demolish it, on May 7, the Zhuhai city government announced the termination of the tram's operation and the dismantling of its facilities and equipment.
This means that the section, once touted as the world's most advanced tram, has become the first modern tram project in China to be dismantled after being put into service. This construction and subsequent demolition, involving approximately 3 billion yuan in public investment, has resulted in significant waste, drawing public discontent.
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So the Italians did a reverse belt and road. Love it.
The assembly was done by the locals. First we need to see if someone else bought this model and it worked.
Yeah, the "tleB and daoR Initiative".
@@rafael_lana Well the original test track in Naples apparently worked well, but it was only a short 400m strip. That being said, CRRC licensed and built this. More importantly, it looks like substantial sections of this route used the ground based power system instead of catenary which really isn't a good idea. This type of power system really needs to be limited to a few sections in areas of high density where wires just wouldn't fit in. Even if it worked perfectly, this is more expensive than catenaries so its use should be limited.
AnsaldoBreda, the Italian train manufacturer went bust and Hitachi took them over in 2015.
@@rafael_lana in italy we have very similar trams but they all use catenary, not ground based and we don't have any problems
Trams or streetcars have been successuly operating in Western cities for over 200 years, with electrified trams been developed in Germany since 1881. This is not new mass transit technology. The vehicles are called a tram car. They are good in medium to high density locations. They share lanes with road traffic, and have cheaper and lower platforms than trains.
Ideally you do want to dedicate a strip of lane for them exclusivly to avoid em being bogged in traffic.
or no platforms at all, making it perfect for people with wheelchairs, strollers and disabilities to get on and off the tram ... or rather not
Imported the tram, from Italy, to serve a real estate development, ( ghost city?) and couldn't afford the imported parts , to keep it running...
And how many tram “officials” became wealthy over land sales and other “kick back” fees?💸💸💸💸
Trams often are scams from realtors wanting the transport links to boost the investment in whatever portfolio they are hawking, then use bribes and the promises of "urban renewal" or economic development to get local Government to foot the bills. Sometimes it genuinely works out, sometimes it doesn't but either way someones pockets get lined.
Advanced tofu is still tofu
A 6 year old chinese kid is smarter than you .
What can you say. It's made in China. 🤣🤣🤣
At least it happened in THREE DAYS
Unlike you know a bridge that has been there for a year or three and then suddenly breaks apart.
"Worlds most advanced tram." It is a tram... that technology has been around a looong time.
Its like saying you have the worlds most advanced skateboard... Its still a skateboard....
Everything china does "the most advanced or technological superior..it's all lies..they should solve their food insecurities if they are so great.
Taxpayers money wasted😂😂
oops you must be talking about the box you come from ,not China .
China collects fines not taxes.
Spend money on rice farming not industry 🇨🇳
CCP is full of engineers, no farmers allowed. Every big ego, vanity project means less farm land in a country that can't feed itself.
Going from 6,9By to 4,4 By that is close to 30% less income for the city. Oh they will fire people!
I always wonder what their high-speed rail system will look like in twenty years. HST isn’t very forgiving of lax maintenance.
Mad in China quality
Nobody can burn through money like your leaders.
Thats what Xi said!
italy, athens, samsun and kayseri has these trams RUNNING SAFE AND SOUND, what the hell wouldve they done for sirio trams to be like this
Tofu Dreg Waste Advanced’ Tram🤣🤣🤣🤣
300 million$, 3 days, 3 years.
Lucky number! 😁
China, "Shit, we need to print more money." Oh Well.
Enough money to go around ,I should know .
@@Wumao50centarmy
Sure, that's why the banks are imploding, just soooo much money going around.
blaming the tram's failure on poor italian workmanship or faulty italian engineering is exactly what can be expected from china..
"it's not our fault, it's bad because it was not designed or built by our god-emperor!"
If you have enough space to dedicate an entire lane of your expressway for public transport, why didn't you go for a BRT system. It would've been far cheaper to build and operate.
Trams , my gran was a conductor on them , around 1930 in Birmingham UK . You still had to get to the main hub , not many outlying stations . 100 years later :-)
Make them economical . And well run .
Seem good in a few cities in europe .
If the CCP wants a guaranteed return on investment for public transport, they should make the end stop outside the country...
Showcase is a good word, THATS all they do... all for show.. what a waste...
Normal countries are creating this project because there's a public demand for it. CCP on the other hand is just the opposite. They'll create this kind of projects, finish it and market it to the public even though the public doesn't demands it.
so the problem was that instead of the perfectly normal overhad wires seen everywhere they decided to reivent the wheel and made it unnecesaryly complex for no reason lol
Ghost city? We just saw dozens of cars and buses zip passed it.
Can we say embezzlement?
This reminds me of the LRT in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia which was built by China. then Ethiopia and China are proud that they are making progress?🤣. But the LRT route has problems due to lack of electricity supply🤣. for countries like Africa it is very ridiculous when they force the operation of electric trains. because the electricity supply in poor countries is often not on 24 hours and is uneven. Moreover, electric trains are considered wasteful of electricity/energy for poor countries. which causes only half of the train series to operate. This is with operational costs that are too high to the point that the Ethiopian government has to go into debt again to cover operational costs at a loss. Very sad, that Ethiopia has been cheated by China for its inefficient infrastructure🤣. even though they can make public transportation that is cheaper in terms of development costs and cheaper operationally, namely BRT as implemented in Bogota, Colombia, Jakarta, Indonesia and Salvador, Brazil.
The whole tramline cost that, but only a section that was little used has been demolished. So I love the crappy dishonesty of the channel. For a start the total investment was not 2.6b but only 1.3bn. The authorities said that it had only logged a daily average of 3,378 passengers - only five per cent of a previous forecast - over the past three and a half years. According to a government notice on Tuesday, the forthcoming demolition project will pave the way for more road space - with the existing six-lane road to widen to include eight lanes, alongside a roadside bus lane.
Is that as fast as it runs?
Because they are pushing autos. Especially electric now.
Mistake
Tofu Dreg. It's not just for breakfast any more.
its a bus!!!
They could have spent the money on schools and hospitals….
China is all show and no go.
They need Monorail! Cue the song and dance.
The only way to make public transportation profitable is to ban private cars.This can make it inconvenient for a lot of people and slows down productive people at their jobs.Maybe if every other day people could drive and alternate on trains the next. more people would ride a tram but it would kill efficency.
Cities all over the world lose money with public transportation and must be subsidized by government through real estate taxes,city taxes on wages and central government income taxes.If people were forced to ride them the only good thing would be less air pollution.
I bet rich people in China pay less taxes than the rich in the West. Just my guess.
Derailed in 3 days?
India derailed their project railroad train in 10 days.
They beat them by 7 days.
Integrated in Chinese means "Stealing"
Make your own trams....
The stops are right between a 6 lane-road. I wouldn't want to use that tram either
Why have tram when you have subway & self driving car? Tram does not make sense at that point...
People from overseas will have no problem from the regular Chinese folk , most of which are still poor .
Be nice if you get out of the cities . Little Chinese is cool ! In Timor now :-) Why ? Up to her :-)
Now we're talking, a truly different video other than society this economy that
It's not practical to manufacture every part that goes into a complex system in one's country. China is very good at assembly and produce mass use items. However, complex and low volume items are not practical to be produced.
It's better than the bombs America spends its taxes on dropping them in Afghanistan for 20 years lol China invests in tech America invests in bombs 😂😂😂😂😂😂
China steals tech.
You mean like Bush Sr. and Cheney Bush did!
China attacked the fish around Taiwan, fish don't fight back. China is a joke, a bad joke.
Tofu.
Ya Dismantle and sell or give to other country. lol
😂So it is better to spend $10B in California on 1500 FEET of High Speed Rail 🤣 that tooke 13 years to build?? So in the same time China built the largest high speed rail network on the world .... amazing how poor this reporting channel is.
HAHAHAHHAA i was right!!! I said this tra will fall apart in 5 years
Please do talk about corruption..when the railway is not working as normal. The train is imported from Italy not some small country.👈😏😏
Sometimes I wonder why I am on this misinforming channel..🤦🏼
Took me while to realized they make up stories for content.
Wumaos are too easy to spot
So you are saying that XI has a small pee pee.
@@icosthop9998 2:55 they said it very early on the video
The problem isn't with the train but the line the train runs on, which China did build
Smog.
FAFO
made in China 😂
but their high speed rail is still decades ahead of usa
And the amount of total debt interest being paid and with annual operating costs far, far exceeding revenue it is a money pit bleeding losses. It made sense for a few high usage lines, but overall it doesn't. It sure looks pretty though.
Not much good come from Italie Rail we now that in the Nederlands
That magnetically switched GC traction supply system from AnsaldoBreda is...Interesting. Thanks for showing the cutaway, and through this how it works. I'm hoping to goodness it implements knowledge of and lessons learned (Including several electrocutions and the deaths of at least two horses) from our historic use of stud contact systems on various UK tram networks in the 19th century... 📌⚡🪦
* _Sound of Alsthoms' lawyers reaching for the telephone, given it's similar operating principle to APS..._ ☎⚖😋 *
Wow the jealousy ,China is the best country to live in and make money ,most of you believe the nonsense on this channel .
Hey there wumao
@@Carnyzzle you probably mad coz you broke .
make money ? 😂
oh, u mean if you're a politician.. that's worldwide. they always get ahead by stepping on the working class.
@@emmapeel8163 Naa you get your education from youtube that's why you'll remain broke .
@@Wumao50centarmyyou are a busy poster, you must be #1 50 cent army soldier.
WTF?? We have low floor trams in Europe for decades. So high-tech china isn‘t even capable of mastering mature tech … 🙈
Yeah too much tofu
The tram is Italian. That's OK. Don't want to let facts get in the way of a good rant.
They are a counterfeit country.
@@encinobalboa
If you actually watch the video it addresses the train is built by Italy and the problem is with the crappy made tram line itself, which China was responsible for
Not surprising. China cooks eggs in piss of younger people....but personally i think thats a rumor, they use all piss they get, not buy expensive piss from schoolkids.
Thats about right..tofu dregging
🤣🤣🤣🤣
haha you sound broke
@@Wumao50centarmy what is broke is china
Imagine making other countries lose 100b usd on a ghost town
They don't care. They need to pump money to the economy through ghost town, cheap ev.. or facing financial crash.
#theskydontlie
When you have a well run country like China ,there's enough money to go around .
Not enough livable wage ghost jobs. Support spectres.
For a country where washing vegetables in a squat toilet is normal, I'm not surprised
Not all Chinese are like that. The dictatorial govt makes the people into zombies.
Or the collection of cooking oil from the sewer
Or a tofu building wall you can scrape out with your hand 😂
B-but what about gaining face! What about running away to vancouver or syndey to buy a condo and then retire!!!
lol true omg this is so emberessing, dont forget the fire extinguisher wich getting sold even the buyer knowing that they dont work
There are so many such useless and uneconomic projects operating throughout / in PRChina, from High-Speed Railway(HSR) lines to unused HSR Stations, to 4-lanes highways and incredible tall bridges across mountainous ravines etc. etc. connecting to remotest villages of PRchina's interiors, which even most ordinary Chinese Citizens do not even know such villages' names nor their existence, of just few thousands inhabitants, would all require & be eventually abandoned or dismantled, as cost of maintenance and keeping operation become overwhelmingly unaffordable for the provinces. Technically, these written - offs are all "sunk cost" .. and it is right / correct and the most optimal financial decision to made.
They have to come up with as many projects as possible so they can embezzle the funds from the government.
@@Target-zo7fb ..you mean to rob and embezzle state funds and hard-earned savings of the common Chinese Citizens.
Probably sourced the parts on Temu
haha you broke if you buying from Temu my friend.
The fast train built by China in Indonesia (Bandung - Jakarta) also over budget
You're the finance minister of Indonesia right ?
@@Wumao50centarmy the budget was US$ 6 million. In reality it cost US$ 7.5 million
@@onlineshoppingjakarta7338 Billion. 7 billion USD for a short fixed route. Its why some countries never build trains because with planes the route can change based on demand
@@onlineshoppingjakarta7338 lol cry me a river .
Dont worry, Chyna will own Jakarta for 1000 yrs and then give it back
this man said the same thing 100 times 100 different ways...bro...can you summarize your shit???
Am I the only one who thinks that financing local governments through land sales is bonkers?
What are you even talking about ,which ever country you are from isn't educating you seriously...
@@Wumao50centarmyspot the red army soldier... I'm sorry your country is lying to you and your government treats you like a puppet
@@Wumao50centarmy This was said in the video little pink, stop making a stink.
@@user-f5xt2op9t Jesus Christ,you're next level dumb .
The local government can only borrow money from central banks if there is a business. So then, they create a shell sort of company. To borrow the money. So then it means, the payments or the debts would be from the sales of the tickets. But when they borrow this, it goes into the provincial governor's debts. So sometimes the government tries to find ways for the citizens to pay up. So then the population tries to get credit. They take in mortgages and then they give the credits and pay against that. Debts from public. Debts from citizens. So.....
Great reporting, thanks.
nice -fake- news
Fake news as usual .
It’s not fake news. Your CCP government just covered it up like they did with the school bus accident.
@@Wumao50centarmy China fakes everything, nothing in China is real ... fake government, fake police, fake military, fake fire extinguishers, fake medicine fake EV cars, fake food, fake goods, fake buildings and infrastructure, fake economy, fake gold, fake sanitation, fake zoos, fake maps etc etc etc. All Fake
Every project government plans and constructs is overpriced, poorly built and maintained and inefficient.
The best way for the Chinese politicians to line their pockets with money.
That's all China does, build shit that eventually breaks because of corruption all the way up the greasy pole. Their belt and road initiative is just a way to extort money out of countries that have corrupt governments.
It's like
Heres 100 billion yuan for this construction rail.
60 billion goes to myself, cpp officials, buddies, pals, amigos
40 billion goes to construction, materials, workers, such and such. Just make sure its good!
Bro, China is good
Lies ,One of the best run countries ,Government puts people first .
I wouldnt be surprised if there wasd some bribery of officials involved in the construction of this specific tram line resulting in a shoddy construction work. Also it might be that the feasibility studies werent really done properly resulting in a tram line that didnt draw passengers in. This is a problem in any state that has a one party system since the only way to control this stuff is from inside the party itself. This makes it hard to root bribery out if only the high ranking party members can change things since they might be involved themselves in schemes like these.
Great!!🇺🇲
They can’t even draw maps properly.
Not only that, if you actually have a proper accurate map or make one without a license you could go to jail 😄
@@RT-qd8yl What a place…. 🤦
LOL, on your maps Donetsk still Ukranian
@@siz1700 I’m talking about China’s maps dummy. 🤦
Wow the ignorance in this comments section,WeChat has more functions than your brain can hold ,drawing maps ??? in 2024 ??? I can say the word map to my phone and it will be done in a second ,,,dumb !
The Italian company Ansaldo Breda was also involved in new high speed trains in The Netherlands/Belgium and Denmark. The trains where not up to the task, also due to the company not having the technical knowledge for producing such trains. The Danes started upgrading the trains themselves, the Dutch agreed with the supplier in a buy back, The Belgians wrote off the few bought trains.
"A single, short line; not networked with other lines." - Yeah, that *might* be an issue in the long run. Jeeez. 🙈
china going back to the stone age 😂😂
One of the most advanced,but you sound pretty smart I won't argue with you .
@@Wumao50centarmyChina was only advanced because of imports from the west, China cannot create these technologies locally.
@@Wumao50centarmy Little Pink, you are not even allowed to be on UA-cam, you might find the truth!
@@user-f5xt2op9t You probably believe the Earth is flat too ,your only education is UA-cam ,that's why you're ignorant.
@@Wumao50centarmy Yeah yeah... your "most advanced" only exist on paper...
This tram project and its waste of money, corruption, and poor planning is very reminiscent of "The Big Dig" in Boston.
At least The Big Dig does what it was intended to do (allow I-93 to run through Boston, make future transit through Downtown Boston nearly impossible to build).
That project payed off A LOT of mortgages and put thousands of kids through college😆
I took the tunnel a few times and traffic times where negligible.
By the way, 1 yuan is like 15 cents if you convert it to US currency.This is very cheap considering energy costs are not a whole lot cheaper in China.No wonder there is "red ink" on these projects.
Meanwhile Taiwan is thriving and happy. You don't hear anything about Taiwan being so horrible. Taiwan is a perfect example of what a country should be like. Taiwan is a wonderful country...
A tram route roughly the same length was completed in 4 years in my home city in Finland. Actual plans and voting for the city project took 10 years but construction was actually completed slightly ahead of time, from 2017 to 2021. Been running for 3 years now and taking a lot of congestion from local bus transits away. Also cleared up a lot of confusing traffic from the city centre. So a very similar tram story to this one, except it was a complete success. Only major stop for the tram was once this year in November when a freak blizzard stuffed the tracks full of snow and had to be cleared up.
Yes but Finland is a sensible, fiscally-sound EU nation who put the welfare of their citizens first. Not a nightmare CCP theme park where everything is funded on the never-never and corruption & nepotism run riot.
All of these problems are essentially duplicated in every US light rail project: low ridership, seriously excessive construction costs and delays, poor interconnection, poor route selection losing money hand over fist, taking up valuable traffic lanes, etc.
And how many of those US project were demolished within 5 years of operation? The difference is Chinas corruption and lack of interest in its people.
but lets have 6 lanes crawling slowly full of cars ?
@@Rusty_Gold85 and traffic is such a fixable problem. Pete booty judge needs to work on this with all the stimmy money.
So China buys the trams from Italy and they have electrical problems, haha. No way.
Never built a tram when you can build a subway or an elevated rail system. Tofu-dreg'ness of projects in PRC aside, very few tram/light rail systems are successful.
It's mindboggling to me how a company like Ansaldo-Breda can continue to operate anywhere, given their history. Perhaps I'm just being prejudiced because I'm danish, and have a clear recollection of Ansaldo-Breda wasting billions of our taxpayer money on shoddy trains that never even rolled one meter on danish tracks.
Interesting wiki says sold to the Japanese in 2015, so of course China would tear it up, not wanting to be beholden to Japan for spare parts and state secrets
AnsaldoBreda gained a bad reputation and was finally sold to Hitachi Rail along with the respected signaling branch Ansaldo STS. Anslado also built Copenhagen driverless metro.
@@alaindumas1824 Yes, and looking back there were signs of what was to come, but the magnitude of the IC4 train scandal here in dk I think surprised everyone.
@@lindenhoch8396 Ansaldo had a string of technical problems in Northern Europe (Oslo and Gothenburg trams, Fyra debacle in the Netherlands, Stockholm metro signaling) but what happened in China is crazy. Ground power supply, a known source of problems, is only justified when trams go through very sensitive areas where one does not want to install a catenary. In Rome, Milan, Turin, Florence or Napoli trams are 100% under catenary and the Chinese ordered ground supply for lines built on the median of a highway or in a suburb of Beijing!
@@alaindumas1824 Madness. Sounds like a case of the blind leading the deaf.
Ha...😊😊😊😊😂😂😂😂
Italy is famous in manufacturing the best cars in the world with a minor issue namely they only last three years.
These are mostly design issues , caused by the supplier !
Who pays ?
What will the demolition cost ? Job creation :-)
And more lanes on the roads :-)
Tofu dreg tram!
Love the voice of this guy the most
Should have just put in a HyperLoop, waste some real money. Like US taxpayers did through Federal Grants, because everyone thinks (thought?) Elon Musk is a god genius here to save mankind.
Any educated person knows that Elon musk just buys promising projects and kills them once he gets his hands on them, he is not smart at all, just an uber capitalist who got his money from his families blood diamonds and apartheid. Similar to Thomas Edison who slowed down development by purchasing patents and prevented others from making real progress.
This is what happens when you chase GDP above all else.
They don't chase it, they inflate it, exaggerate it, then lie about it on top of that. Having the most manipulated currency in human history doesn't help either.
@@user-f5xt2op9t Western pirates should stop trying to raid and steal everything and stop bullying China. China has become the number 1 power in the world through peaceful development, unlike westerners who steal, raid, plunder and genocide everything. One day western will pay for insult china. western has no history and no culture, we Chinese have 5000 years. China will reclaim our no 1 spot as we always been
In Taiwan 4 years ago , got to see how they make the MRT there !
I wouldn’t trust any Italian made things , my Italian cars always breaks down on me
Yeah they are as reliable as the electric byd vehicles
Have you tried a Vespa?
All these failed trams in chuna can be given away to Malaysian cities like ipoh, jb, sandakan, miri, bintulu, sarikei, besut, seremban, melaka city, and perlis.... It'll be useful for us to travel around
How do you derail a tram ???? Its literaly just like a bus
Another flawed feasibility study by china 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is what happens when governments are told to implement infrastructure projects to boost GDP and care nothing about the success of the project, look to make money out of it themselves, through land sales and kickbacks through contractors than know not what they are supposed to do! It’s been likened to digging holes and filling them in shortly after! The project does increase GDP, but cannot be sustained indefinitely!
They will use their revolutionory virtual rail bendybustrams.
.....SYmbolically held a planning hearing about the tram.. out of 22,only 5 voted again st!..but this WAS .SYmbolically held! yet this meeting was held AFTER the tram was functionally working? And the problem?? Water/water vapor was allowed into the power modules in operation .water and electricity do not mix! The trams just did not goooo! The Chiness electrical standards were at a 50% error ratio ???????????????????????/ WHEW Acrost the pond The USA error ratio is basically 95% if (blank) performed UNDER 95%.. findo ut why..China waited till it was 50 errror findings?
We've had trams here for 140 years. Well maintained. China unfortunately cannot manage infrastructure, being too busy trying to impress everyone.
10:39 train footage from Japan. Does the CCP work in Japan? Did you know China and Japan are different countries?
$360million is noob numbers.
You haven’t seen UK’s 🇬🇧 HS2 train-that’s £100billion or approx $127billion 😂 in full-on waste of a fantasy-esque train that can go 20minutes faster than the already established UK high-speed 125mph trains. 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
Urban central planners have always plugged mass transit and high density living. The people who live there must be content with such manipulation. No factories, no jobs, but lots of government. And gotta keep those LFGC construction projects moving...CCP jobs depend on that. Puurfect.
Sees the Stitch carriage - aww cute, they got a Stitch themed carriage . . . I bet the don't have a Disney licence.
So basically some CCP member rorted another CCP member's company and shoved this where ever they thought from a 5 minute review on a Monday morning