Volvo XC90 T8 twin engine: electric range & real consumption test Plugin-Hybrid
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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I have a T8, and what I tend to do is drive in Save Mode when on the highway. This lets me use the electric power on city streets, where the benefit is more apparent. With my general pattern of driving, I'm getting about 55 MPG (using US gallons). A very comfortable car that is surprisingly fun to drive, given that it's like driving a living room around.
Hi Chris, I am trying to understand how long I can drive on a highway before the tank gets empty. It is only 50lts isn't it?
50+ mpg that's great, I'm looking to get a T8... I'm sick of going to the pump to fill up my Benz GL. Any input about the option etc will be much appreciated.
Btw, I test drove 1 yesterday. Everything is great except for the steering, it's just as responsive as I want. Saw other review that mentioned that the steering can be adjusted to make it stiffer/ softer, can you confirm?
this is down to the different drive modes. How ever the car always starts in Hybrid mode. You can 'designate' a personal mode with you own choice of power, steering etc and just switch each time. Most XC90 drivers are awaiting volvo to allow us to set a default drive mode. But Volvo won't confirm / deny that this will ever come.
ah. so you can't set "individual" drive mode as default?
Plug-in hybrid cars like this isn't just about fuel consumption. If you can put up €80k to buy it in the first place, you aren't going to be too worried about the fuel bill. It's about having the refinement of an EV at town speed and in congestion, with a powerful ICE at your disposal and not having constant range anxiety on longer trips to the countryside. I also love my PHEV for the fact that running in EV mode for short trips to the shops helps to protect ICE especially in the winter (constant cold starting without allowing the engine to warm up does a lot of damage to the engine, regardless of what they tell you about how wonderful these new synthetic magnetic engine oil are).
Compare the all-new Volvo S90 / V90 full review: ua-cam.com/video/XPWJY7HNpxc/v-deo.html
Exactly what I wanted to know! No more, no less. Thank you for delivering a great review on a very specific point!
glad u liked it!
I like this dude's style love the German accent!
Thanks buddy!
If the battery is empty, select charge after a swipe to the right, then put the gear in B (this mode will brake on the engine, not the brakes) , in 2 minutes you will have a 5km radius! I drove 45km in Pure easily!
It's really a great drive the T8! I took one for a 300 km trip earlier this year. A great combination of instant power, comfort and luxury.
Thanks a lot Thomas(es) for your reviews - many details (e.g. the sound of the "turn signal", the "forward&lateral views", the comfort, etc...) mentioned in all your reviews are details but are absolutely interesting and important (no other reviews mention them - and e.g. Opel did manage to totally screw some of those up in the past, therefore it's definitely not something to take as granted).
Other details like how the windscreen wipers work might be interesting as well (there were a few days ago a lot of discussions about Tesla's windscreen wipers settings having to be used through menus on the main car's display therefore making the driver lose focus from the road).
I merged all your reviews about Volvo V60s and Volvo PHEVs and ended up buying a "V60 Recharge" (I'll have to wait for a few months until I get it - "Recharge" is apparently the new marketing name of the Twin-Engine models?).
For me, personally, wishing to switch from a classic diesel Kombi towards electric, the most important feature was to have all options available - on one hand about how to recharge the battery (from breaking recuperation to plug-in to active charge from the motor) and on the other hand about how to use it (from "pure" excluding emergencies when needing for any reason max accelleration, to knowingly use only the petrol motor when going uphill to then recuperate when going later downhill, to purely use it only when I'm in a traffic jam, etc...). All this because we're living uncertain times, therefore I ideally want to have all options available and being able to decide on my own.
Having a potential AWD as bonus (I think that in this case the battery is fully bypassed, but I'm not certain?), without the additional maintenance costs of the "Kardanwelle" ("cardan shaft"?), is great for a few critical days each year.
Any pure electric car is currently NOK for me - personally, I'm scared of when a worst-case-scenario can occur:
e.g. some years ago I wanted to go through the Gotthard-Tunnel but there had been an accident and everybody was diverted to the San Bernandino pass, which had at the same time roadworks and all traffic was diverted once more through some secondary roads => huuuge, gigantic queue => we all needed ~8h to go through that => I believe that if in that situation we had e.g. 25% of purely electric cars then the recharging infrastructure would have been completely overwhelmed (main factor being the ~long charging times) => I don't want to be in that situation.
Cheers and thanks for your veeery nice and neutral reviews!!!
(btw., during my test-drive I did notice that steering of Volvo was kind of weird as you mentiond in this or other reviews, but I did read in the 700-pages manual that you can apparently create and "individual" driver profile to which you can associate a specific steering-force and other stuff?)
Thanks and interesting report! Hmm good point with the steering, havent found that menu yet
@@autogefuehl hey i was just wondering, whats the life of this car? like you should a used one low mileage be good in 2023? is it costly for a new battery if you need one? n how long do the engines last?
You guys are the best!!! I know when I put your videos on, it is not just like some generic video, but you guys go into details... deutsch eben!
Thomas is King of reviews.
+dm002a8686 (y)
Thomas. This car has a unique feature similar to the Chevy Volt. There is a button labeled CHARGE. Activate it from the menu and the car will run on electricity only and the engine will only engage to charge the battery and NOT assist with acceleration. No other car has this feature other than the Chevy Volt and the Cadillac ELR.
Thanks to both Thomas' for such a clear introduction to the capabilities of the T8. Personally really looking for to a new XC-60 with the T8 drivetrain in fews years.
Great job guys
+James Thom appreciated!
My wife commutes to work in a plug-in hybrid, and is usually able to get back home before the battery is depleted. When we drive it on weekends, I totally relate to your comment about seeing how economical we can drive it, not how fast!! Great review. Looking to get the 2018 S90 T8 when it comes to N America. Then we will have to share the one higher voltage plug!
thanks for the interesting feedback!
When is the 2018 S90 T8 review coming?
Not available yet. S90 R-Design coming though.
When Thomas number one retires you will be number one.I hope to see more of your reviews.
sehr guter Test! so einen einfachen aber genauen test mit hybriden habe ich bisher noch nicht gesehen super!
Vielen Dank, freut uns, dass es euch gefällt!
1.7l/100km means 0.77l for 45km, of which 11-12km were done conventionally, which equates to ~6.4l/100km. Which is quite good, but I suppose this was also achieved with 80kph max speed.
yes driving very gently, so this was really a test of "can you achieve that?"
Since I got my first electric car (i3), I find I don't have range anxiety but I do attempt to drive as efficiently as possible to get good numbers on the miles per kilowatt rating and to extend the range. It's fun shooting for efficiency but the great thing about the i3 and electrics in general is that they have the power when you want it.
In terms of infrastructure, I am lucky enough to have a plug next to my parking spot and my apartment allows me to plug in overnight. It suits my needs perfectly.
Was it only me that were looking at that blindspot thing on the side view mirror?
Good job, Thomas #2 (3?)!
in total 3 - you will see the only Thomas that was not shown in this video tomorrow with the Toyota Prius review :)
+Autogefühl hey I think I am gonna call my first born son Thomas since you guys are so cool 😎
LOL awesome!
Good job as always! One question: did you use the "Save/Hold" mode for brake regeneration? I've read that you can charge up to 33% in a short time using that mode.
We have owned Volvos since 1975. We now have a 2018 S60 T5 AWD Polestar. It is very nice with good power. BUT, we want the Hybrid Very Bad. Its makes good sense. They are List price $52,500 here so not good, we are retired from work now so money is tight. We have seen a 2022 S60 T8 that was optioned with 455 HP combined and 31 Petro and 72 Hybrid Mode with 40 miles 100% EV. It weights 4,400 lbs so not a light car but as you point out here the mass is low center so it handles quite well. I read the 1/4 Mile time is under 13 Seconds which is Good. and 0-60 MPH was 4.2 Seconds. Now I mention this because my other car is a 2014 Corvette, 3,200 pounds with 455 HP. Se we do not want a slug for the driver car and I see this T8 Hybrid is perfect for us. This Video is 7 years old but the T8 seems to still be the best combination for practical efficiency and range. Have you a review of the 2022 S60 T8???? I used to work for Siemens and came to Germany many times to discuss the US market in Automation Controllers. German Engineering was always so impressive. Since my Volvo Experience and having survived one bad accident that destroyed my 760 Turbo Yet i walked away, I feel the Volvo engineering is as excellent and has always provided a safe and reliable vehicle for families. Now I want to add Wheel Hub Motors to my Corvette so it can be AWD Hybrid too. Thank You for a very well done video I will search for more now. Regards, Dennis in Virginia USA
Interesting review Thomas x 2!
You can actually get pretty far on a full battery then, although I don't think driving 80 km/h on the Autobahn with such a car is for everyone. I would be very tempted to make a bit more use of the 400 hp! :-)
=)
Love this style of video! Great job Thomas #1 and Thomas #2
love to hear that =)
Thanks!
Thanks for the review. I'm still wondering what will be the consumption on 200+ route on highway with highway speeds (~140-160km/h). Did you check that as well?
+hamberq then rather like the normal petrol one
The best review. Thomas is excellent. The best car.
Interesting review guys. You are correct, we reliant on improvements in infrastructure and open minded building owners who install charging for people without private parking. The desire exists now.
way to go! We are steadily increasing our EV coverage now.
Excellent information... also that city your driving in is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Where is that???
Essen 🤔
+Fernando C Thanks...
Excellent overview, wonder what the long term reliability will be like. Many thanks to the pair of Thomai.
thx for the support !
I drive XC60 2019. T8 Twin Engine AWD PHEV and everything is almost equal like in your video, maybe spent a little bit less gasoline, due to a less weight than XC90, but overall, that's it! P.S. I got home charger, so I can charge the car when ever I want. Cheers.
Great, I'm a fan of you guys now.
I wanna buy a XC90 but I read some negative review online specially for the electronics and the software. How does the car behave with you so far, any issues observed?
Do you consider the car already in a good condition or should I wait one more year for Volvo to fix the reported issues?
hm, havent heard of that. Of course it cant be bad to wait a little ..
I had a 24hr road test recently. The infotainment system reboot (by itself) once. I’ve also heard similar issues. Local dealer says they have had several firmware updates, BUT, your car only gets updated if it goes in for a service or repair. So thats going to be approximately an annual thing - no over the air updates like a Tesla.
this is the best channel
thanks m8 - also tell your friends :)
Cool title, Thomas No 1, and nice cool review.
:-)
Thank you for this review, watching in 2022. How is the battery holding up 5 years later, I wonder.
yeah i was wondering the same thing!! n how much the cost is lol!!! like how tesla can be, i heard a new battery was only 500$ but im like no fricken way.... but i wanna know how these hold up after 7 years
Nice review. Really like what r u doing. Keep up with good job.
appreciated!
Great stuff guys
thanks, feel free to sub =)
In Germany everyone is called Thomas :-)
haha
:DD
;-)
No its Ben and Max.
Lol...anfanger deutsche gelernt...tom is etwas!
Considering a plugin-hybrid for my next car hoping in 2 years that batteries would have been developed to take a higher range
Hello, great video. I have a Mercedes GLC 350 e (plug in-Hybrid). I understand that when you have no more electric battery the consumption might go high (9-10 l/100 km) after more than 100-150 km in highways or long course drive. But i don´t understand why this cars are not as equal efficient as a normal hybrid car. For instance: if i have no electric baterry left, and if i have to drive 10 km in the center of the city, the consumption can go to 12-13l / 100 km for an avergage speed of 20km/h. In other cars, like lexus, consuption inside the city is much lower and they can´t plug their cars. Why do you thinks this happens? Are the plugin-Hybrid cars also Hybrids or they simply have a petrol engine and an electric engine that work worst when compared to a normal hybrid car?
hey bruno, thanks! Well you carry a lot of weight. That makes the car worse in non-electric mode. Plus the Volvo engines are very fuel consuming.
Good and fun review/test. I have for the past 2 months been planning to switch out both cars for the family. 1. old Volvo V50, for him we have been looking into Volvo XC60, V60 CC, XC 90 and for a time Passat Alltrack (after watching your review). We decided to pick the XC90 but we were not sure if we were going to buy T8H or D5. After this review I think we will go with the D5. I had the T8 for couple of days and it did not perform as expected when it came to the electric part, I never got more than 25-30 km and fuel was around 7.5-9 ltr. For 2 million iskr less I get the D5 Inscription. For car number 2. we are switching out Nissan Note 2009 for either a Golf Highline TSI or Volvo V40. We were looking into Kia but Kia is more expensive in Iceland than the Hyundai.
The reason for this long rant is that your reviews have been very helpful and often pointed us in a direction that we did not think off, like we tested the Golf GTe and the Passat Alltrack after watching your reviews, and the Nissan Pulsar and Renault Megane. Also checked the new Tiguan, Skoda Superb, Skoda Rapid and Octavia, Audi A3 and Kia Sorento. Pity that they don't sell Seat in Iceland I would have loved to test or even buy their version of the Golf platform.
Thanks for great reviews and help in finding the cars for us :)
thanks glad we could help !
Thanks, Thomas 1 and 2, this review is very help full to me.
gr8 to hear!
Thomas I drive Lexus RX450h
and I am loving it.
I don't have to find electric charging points at home or at work and I get 40 mpg only if I drive carefully, otherwise 34 mpg with no care.
I think at the moment it's a hassle to find electric points if there are some they are occupied so what you do.
I like the new format of the video. 2 Thomas' are better than 1.
+gbriank1 :)
*****
No offense, You are the original Thomas... :-P
Need one more to call to the review squad: Thomas Muller. Now a bit busy in France but could be later this summer :) :)
Nice video, but I have a question. Hybrid mode is supposed to be a mix of both electric and petrol, so what is the consumption then when both engines work together to optimize consumption?
+Rasmus Boserup cant say that generally, so many factors!
Great-great one! More of these tests!
Maybe you'd like to watch our other XC90 reveiws as well: ua-cam.com/video/Gc4IkUU6MPE/v-deo.html
So with full electric charge and full fuel tank what can you expect to experience on average as a full driving range distance in normal terrain?
I do a lot of motorway driving - once the battery is depleted, what sort of mpg or litre/100km might I expect?
12/14 liters per 100km
greeting from malaysia.... superb presentation! whichever thomas, all are entertaining and down to earth.
thank you!
Great video! Any idea about the range on the V90 PHEV? I can't seem to find any information.
we ll keep you updated with V90 videos !!
Great review Thomas! Andd another Thomas! :-P You also answered my question about how does the AWD works on this T8. I have an advice, use save mode on the motorway so that you can use the Electric motor in the city. I am not going to use AWD very often only when snow or off roading. I am looking for Volvo V90 Cross country T8 btw
So when driving pure electric presumably it's very slow? And when battery fully depleted can the petrol engine charge the battery for the electric motor and still use the motor? Or is there a period of just now using petrol engine until it's charged up the battery a bit?
Yeah Thomas number 2 very well done,and a very amusing review
thx!
thx!
At 6 min it says you drove 44 km and used most battery and some gas. You than said you needed 1.7 l. But it says 1.7 / 100 km. So you probably used only .8 l? Just wondering. Cause it says 1.7l average per 100 km.
Finland has a great infrastructure for these already because a lot of parking spots have electricity for pre-heaters in winter. If some day there is a fully electric car with enough range for reasonable price, I'm first in line for that ;-) But as for now, if you want to be economical and environmentally friendly, small car with petrol engine is the way to go.
CNG is best solution so far!
***** Yes probably but where I am, there is not enough cng stations...we are way behind on that one here.
chicken-egg-problem indeed
I'm thinking Thomas could have ran a extension cord with a higher voltage rating from the laundry room plugged into the 220-240v then plug in the charger in his garage. Maybe.
In Autogefühl works only Tomas ;)
+Stjepan Schtefek :)
:-)
Wie groß ist die maximale Reichweite des Fahrzeugs mit voller Batterie und Tank?
you should make use of 400hp a bit forget fuel. thank you both thomas a and thomas b.
thanks for watching !
Thomas the 3rd! I liked your video by the way!!
Thanks buddy!
Thank you so much!
Have you tested the exelence model, thats the top of the line?
All this remined me of the movie "hangover" :D
Which driving mode would give you the longest driving range on a long distance journey, say 600km? Would Hybrid mode be perfect for that kind of distance, if so, how much distance would Hybrid mode cover with a full tank?
I think the rear wheels are only powered by electric engine, can you tell me if i want to use this car while going on a 80 km hill climb which i need a full 4X4. I think the battery will finish and it will not possible to use it as 4X4 after 35 km. Is it?
Awd is always available, the battery gets charged by the petrol engine then and releases power to rear wheels again
Hi thank you for the video . Got only one question “ I’m travelling across Europe and sometimes going to Africa do you recommend XC90 T8h for travelling ,exactly I would like to know about consumption estimate of the car knowing I will not be doing 80Km/h but minimum 150km/h in motorways . ?
Thanks! The phev will no help u much in fuel economy on long motorway rides.
Hi guys.
This is a really useful review, thank you.
Thomas #2 mentioned that his max speed for the journey was about 80km/h.
Can you please advise if the car stayed in "electric mode" at that speed?
Somebody told me that the maximum speed in electric mode is 30km/h, and that after that the petrol engine kicks in. However I find this hard to believe...! I would appreciate your feedback.
thanks! Afaik the max electric speed is 125 km/h
What is the consumption in hybrid mode?
Dear Thomas 1/2,
Is it possible to keep the charger in the car for a longer amount of time? Like if I go to bed at 22 in the evening,, I plug it in and I unplug it again at 8 in the morning. Is it "dangerous" to leave the charger in for that long or is there no danger in it?
Thanks ahead!
No. Like all *EV cars, the charger is on board in the car itself. It is in charge of the battery condition and all charging aspects. As such it will charge the battery until full and then disengage. it's perfectly safe to plugin at 22:00 and unplug at 08:00.
I do this daily, plugin around 23:00 and unplug at 07:30 once the kids are loaded in and we're ready to head off on our 12km commute.
So let's say, if I would go on a holiday for 3 days and I'd leave my car at the airport. Let's say it's all allowed and stuff, it couldn't hurt to just leave the car on the wire for 3 days?
No, people do that. Of course some1 could damage, but its the same with people just scratching a key on the paint... everyone could also do that at any time
But is the consumption actually 1,7l/100? No - the consumption should have been calculated from when it only drive in petrol or full electric plus full petrol tank. This is not giving the right picture. And then there is the usual discussion - where does the electricity come from? Most in Germany is still from coal. So... would a diesel with adblue perhaps been better. What do you think? Kr Thomas from Denmark
Interesting review, thank you. It would be good to have an mpg conversion.
Thanks! We include that nowadays in the reviews
Thomas please put in your videos levante with hands free power tailgate
Thomas #2~3 is really likeable and would like to see more of him!
=)
when will you test xc90 excellence?
It looks like Thomas had time to stop and change his shirt on the way to see Thomas
30 - 35 km is a bit low. 50-60 would have been ideal. Would have entirely covered the average daily commute.
That's because it's a 7-seater. The XC90 is the only Plug-in hybrid with 7 seats. The Q7 Etron has an all electric range of 56 km, but it's a 5-seater. The extra batteries on the Q7 take up space in the back, so there's no room for a third row.
@@777Outrigger Not true - same powertrain in the XC60 which IS a 5 seater (only option), Suman was right, the magic number is about 38 mile range to cover 95% of daily commutes.
@@jordansage9655 Two years ago, when I made the comment, the XC90 was the only 7 seat plug-in hybrid available. The Q7 Etron had a higher all-electric range because it did not have 7-seats. If the XC90 had taken the area where the third-row folds down for battery space, like the Q7 did, then it would have a longer all-electric range. ..... The XC60 T-8 plug-in has space under the cargo compartment load floor, and the Q7 plug-in hybrid does not have space under the cargo load floor. The Q7 uses that space under the load floor for more batteries, and the XC60 uses it for more storage space.
What happends if you dont unlock the car b4 disconnecting the power cable?
I think you cannot release it then
mein Weg zur Arbeit hin/zurück ist 31km.
Ich müsste also nie wider für meinen Arbeitsweg oder den Weg zum einlaufen in benachbarten Dörfer zahlen.
wie geil!
würd passen, wenn du zu hause oder auf der arbeit laden kannst?
***** zu Hause ja ,auf Arbeit nein :D
Arbeite bei einem Autobauer wo so etwas etwas langer dauert
Why need unlock the car BEFORE unplug the charger cable?
So nobody can steal the cable.
More from XC90 please!
What about fuel consumption on diesel engine?
If you'd like, you can check out our other XC90 reviews. Like this one: ua-cam.com/video/qpKvDw0JIlo/v-deo.html Or this one: ua-cam.com/video/Gc4IkUU6MPE/v-deo.html
Otherwise just search for "XC90 Autgoefuehl" and you'll find allof our reviews to that car!
yeah I know I watch them all, so do it more please :)
Why the "Off Road" option was not available in menu? 14:03
Driving too fast?
Thomas 1))) and Thomas 2)))) we are still waiting the review of NEW VOLVO S90!!!! It is interesting to watch German review of Swedish car in Russia!!!)))
+Сергей Гонаков s90 coming in 2 weeks!
Thanks Thomas? Waiting! Thanks for your good reviews!
I wanna buy a 2020 (model yr 21) T8. Can someone give me some advices? I dont fully understand what drive mode to use , when batteries are empty during drive and I wanna recharge them? Also , I am little confused with alleged AWD, as I understood , It doesnt work all the time? THNX.
battery recharge while driving doesnt really make sense unless you are approaching a special no-emission-zone city
@@autogefuehl THNX, for quick answer. Any other important info , suggestion, from you or others, before I buy one!?
We have more in-depth reviews on the XC90:
ua-cam.com/video/M9FN5YLVDEo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/qpKvDw0JIlo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Gc4IkUU6MPE/v-deo.html
@@autogefuehl I saw them all., THNX. I forgot to ask the Volvo dealer, if its possible to raise the vehicle without going to off road mode. I also wanna know, how does reflect the traction&stability , the fact that vehicle doesnt use all the time AWD?
Does the Combustion engine recharge the battery when driving?
Did you check it full length? Also see T8 review here: ua-cam.com/video/qpKvDw0JIlo/v-deo.html
Autogefühl I'll check it out!
Autogefühl also how many km can you do on a single tank? (hybrid mode, Power mode)
Best car-reviews is made by Thomas from Autogefühl!
+Petter Bornarve 👍👍
what tyres are on the car?
When in electric mode only is acceleration and things really slow with no petrol power or OK ?
Sorry, what do you mean ?
I don't understand why they make hybrids with petrol engines rather than diesel? Seems to me this car is only efficient if it's charged otherwise it offers virtually no benefit.
How much does it cost to charge the car?
that depends on your price for energy. We did some rough calculations that the pure fuel costs are usually 1/3 if you compare it with fossil fuel, e.g. when you have a car with 7 l / 100 km consumption you pay e.g. 9 Euro / 100 km while the electric vehicle will have costs around 3-4 Euro / 100 km.
I wonder if Volvo will make a diesel version of the T8?
I dont think so
Doesn't it have a save/charge mode where the engine is solely used to charge the batteries? You should've used them, cause it is more realistic to do than charging them 4 hours every 30km.
Well they did... The engine is called D6. Here's some info about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_V60 and go to "Engines"
Excelent !
good job
thanks Sir!
which fuel is used in its (T8) engine petrol or diesel
+Vinay kumar petrol
+Autogefühl thx for information
Vinay kumar gas dude... T series are gas, D series the oil...
Excellent, there is no question of original classical details. all it says is that this car is on the premium car list. One thing I do not understand is why driving such a well-developed and premium-style car is mechanical. And that bothers me. And for the rest, I will say this machine is excellent. Machine where words are superfluous ....... 5 ++++++
Why don’t car manufacturers use electric & diesel? Diesel gets better mpg than any petrol car.
Tell me is this diesel or petrol?
It's a petrol/electric vehicle.
Dude looks like Clark Kent
Damn you guys look so handsome
it would be nice if the petrol engine could charge up the electric motor while using the electric motor, for cruising of course as so much less power is needed to keep steady speed
As if you say that you need to unlock the carr before unplugging the electricity and it's really really important....but don't tell us what happens if you don't 🤦♂️🤣
Its just stuck
@@autogefuehl oh right, I thought it was going to be something like it fried the electronics or something 👍
wot? the fuel range was 730km 4:43 on dashboard... he just drove around 40km & then went down to 600km 5:29 ??? 730 minus 40 or 50km is not equal to 600km ..
Maimul Hawkins it depends on the fuel consumption
Arya Pradhana D yea..i know ..but the difference is too big...
Jeeez... (facepalm)
thomas blachetzki neuer kollege?
Hello Thomas 2.0 lol
:-)