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usb to usb adaptor? lol
That's what it looks like to me - just extends the USB.
Very informative vid. I've just bought a brother bas 416 commercial embroidery machine which reads floppy disk data for designs. I've created my designs onto usb stick. So i'm trying to wrap, my not so techno head, around installing and using the emulator to achieve this. Are you saying, I could physically take out the floppy reader on the embroidery machine and replace it with the emulator? The software I downloaded from ipcas will allow me to change usb data to floppy disk data readable by the machine? Thanks
My channel is about playing games on old computers. So please keep this in mind :)
Thank you for your reply. I shall look elsewhere for answers. :)
I'm trying to do something similar..
I have Socks machines and they read floppys .. that are not realable and hard to find this days. After a receive mine i would say something
Also this software can read and write to your 1000 partitioned usb www.ketron.it/software/50-usb-floppy/usb-floppy-software-1-1
thanks
I’ve searched everywhere and can’t seem to find the external USB variant anymore
Yea it seems to have disappeared. I regret not buying another unit as backup though all my Gotek devices still work fine.
I have a idea: if I take my “modern” USB floppy drive and disassemble it and use the internal connector on my 34din floppy gotek?
Hi, if you want it black you could probably just swap the casing from the black internal drive with the usb one to get it black and then if you don't need the white internal drive just sell it on e-bay or give it away
Can't seem to find the external variant anywhere anymore. :(
Me either! Nor an adapter to convert the internal to an external. I am bummed.
@@davidinark Just found, there's some on Amazon. But, they're just available in beige colors. You could, maybe, take apart a black one and put the external variant boards and put them in the black enclosures. That's probably the only way you're gonna get black external variants by modifying it yourself.
Ya usb 2.0 not working just 1.0 speed
It's much slower than that, a Floppy drive is really, really slow :)
What you can do with these and the ways you can load new firmware depends on the firmware that happens to be in the drive at the time. I bought a black one for $20 that came with some kind of firmware for a music keyboard. No matter. I used a serial interface connected to the pin header in the rear to load "FlashFloppy" ( a note to someone else who might want to do this is that I had to add pullup resistors to the TX and RX lines in order to get a connection. I added them temporarily on a breadboard). Once the FlashFloppy firmware is loaded it will allow updates by plugging in a USB stick with the proper kind of hex file on it. I also replaced the numeric display with an OLED which displays the Image file names as you step through them. I also found that once an image name was selected that it was immediately available and I didn't need to press both buttons. Having to press both buttons would be a pain and is perhaps why some go to the trouble of attaching a rotary encoder / switch to change image files. I don't really see the need for that since I don't work with large libraries of images at this time.
Currently I'm using my Gotek to emulate a DD floppy drive on a mid 80's IBM PC-XT. It works great.
Thanks!
software for extracting the 1000 images to be modified. goto github.com/xtcrefugee/gotek-usb-batch-files
They need to come out with one of these for IDE to emulate hard drives and cdroms. You should do a review of those external USB to PCI boards. I am curious if those really work or not. I don't know if there is really a good use for one of those, except to maybe test cards with.
In my opinion if this kind of emulator are coming, there should be a version where you would get a software that could be used a bit like daemon tools but for DOS and windows 9x so you could load any file from the ethernet and have the analog sound coming from the emulator.
I'm doing this with daemon tools under windows 98SE and it works great, except of course that I can't have analog sound and that there are no software capable of doing this under DOS
Having a server containing all your old softwares is in my opinion the best solution and you would not have plenty of USB keys all over your house, just a little server (like an old raspberry pi) sitting somewhere and all your computers connected to this
I'd love to have a CD / DVD GOTEK emulator. Currently you can use SATA to IDE adapters and use modern optical drives, but the analogue audio won't work.
They already have these on eBay. IDE to USB adapter. Just plus the USB end into a USB cable and you're set.
they should have a universal one, 400k 720k 800k 1.44mb their all the same on the inside its just the firmware.
Use "USB_Floppy_Emulator_1.40i" instead
No version available for 1.2MB or 360K formats? Then again, I could transfer all of the older format programs to 1.44MB images without a problem?
Using one of these on my commodore amiga 500 and it runs great.
very cool
I wish they made an IDE cdrom emulator.
How...How would that even WORK? how would you put in the cd? Or do you mean that the drive would hold the entire contents of the cd copied to the flash drive?
Hi phil
i bought a one of these of ebay for less than twenty pounds ,it is a grey gotek floppy emulator with a usb connection,but i painted mine with a can of matt black spray paint to match my other pc hardware, was easy to do i took three screws out of the top of case,the case come off then took the circuit board out of the case and took the little label off the front of the panel and put everything back when it had been painted.cost me next to nothing for the paint,i used car paint.the emulator is brilliant on my pc,really useful.
Regards
Maurice
alysdexia You’re supposed to end sentences with a period, dumbass.
Sorry, this item is no longer available!
It's possible to boot into MSDOS emulated floppy with this?
Hi Phil did you have any issues with Windows 10? My W10 machine detects a Matsumi 3.5 in deivce manager & explorer but will not allow the software to see it??
Nope working fine in 10 and 11. You can try a Linux Live CD to see if the issue is hardware or software.
This device,does an older pc or server's bios have the ability to recognize it? Abd boot from it,like a 2000 hp netra server?
You might want to get the internal version with ribbon cable connector! Seems better suited for your purposes...
The problem with the internal emulater floppy disk is that it only goes up fir example 001 to 002 etc but if you are in the 004 and wanna came down to 003 there no way, I have two in musical keyboards and until now I haven’t fond a way.... can you please help me solve this issue...
just keep pushing the first button, when it gets to 009 it loops back to 000 and starts over again. the second button increments the 10's digit and pressing both buttons at the same time increments the 100's digit. awkward, but once you get used to how it works it is not too hard to get to where you want to be rather quickly
Is there available CD/DVD/BL usb drive emulator?
I wish! I really hope someone makes one.
Please my friend can tou Tell me what Emulador will for in my Roland E-68 ?
Thank you
Sorry.. will fit
We're are trying to use a Miditemp with a Gotek USB Floppy Disk Emulator. Now we have two problems: 1) We can't connect the Gotek in the proper way. We tried all possible solutions and variations with jumpers, flatcable or config files. Miditemp doesn't recognize the Gotek. 2) Even if the Gotek displays the correct number of images of floppy disks on the 4GB USB stick, Miditemp doesn't see the midi files in those images. Not sure what software (Windows 10) to us for making images and putting files in those images. Can anyone help us with (step by step) instructions, software, links or whatever? Thanks.
What is the cable model?
I've been looking everywhere for an EXTERNAL version of this (USB rather than FDD connector) without success. Link in description says "no longer available" and both eBay and Amazon turn up nothing. Why are these so hard to find?! I'd be happy with a GoTek, OpenFlops or anything if I could just connect it to a modern machine. Already have an internal one in my retro PC but I need one for my current PC too.
Gave up, terrible background music. I baffled how you think that music helps the video, would have been much better if you had just talked...
I suppose a USB flash drive formatted as NTFS will not work? In the video you formatted with FAT12.
3:16 - That's the most funny CD I have EVER seen, a half sized CD lol ! I've never seen such thing before.
Does the formatting tool that you used for the external USB floppy emulator at 3:16 formats the USB flash drive with 1000 disks? Or only 100 disks?
100!
@@philscomputerlab If I format a USB stick on an internal floppy emulator to give it a 1000 disk partition, will it be recognized as a 1000 disk partition by a floppy batch manager tool for virtual floppy disks? A lot of the floppy batch manager tools that can be found online only allow partitions of up to 100 disks. I heard that version 1.0 of Batch Manage Tool in Chinese allows for a USB stick to be formatted with a 1000 floppy disk partition without having to format it through the Gotek internal floppy emulator.
Man,there is NO SIGN OF THE EXTERNAL VERSION ANYWHERE....
Do you have A Link to them?
EDIT: Nevermind,Got Model # From Video.....Thanks!
Did you find it?
@@philscomputerlab Yup,But Only from Alibaba,China.They SCARCE as HENS TEETH anywhere else...LOL!
Really love to NAB one...
I have another question regarding the grey external USB floppy emulator at 1:07. Were you able to swap disks with it for multi-disk games? I tried doing that with some MSX games that I was able to successfully run through the USB floppy emulator. But when I selected the next disk by pressing the right button (the button that increments the ones digit) on the emulator, the game I was playing was still stuck on the screen to “insert game disk A”.
Yes you can select a different floppy it's the equivalent of changing out the disks. Likely you're dealing with some other issue here...
@@philscomputerlab UPDATE: Great News!! I found out the disk swapping issue on my external USB GoTEK floppy emulator! The issue was that my external USB floppy emulator was not being recognized by my computer without a formatted USB stick inserted. The GoTEK External USB Floppy Emulator is supposed to emulate an external USB floppy drive. Normally, an external USB floppy drive would be recognized by a computer without a floppy disk inserted as either drive A: or drive B:. However, with my external floppy emulator, my computer only recognizes it when I insert a formatted USB stick into the external floppy emulator. I can also confirm that I bought my GoTEK External USB Floppy Emulator from AliExpress, which sometimes sells products that have compatibility issues since they use different components. My GoTEK external floppy emulator had different components from the one that you showed on this video. I ended up purchasing another external USB GoTEK Floppy Emulator. This time from eBay. I tested it out on my computer and it was able to recognize it without a formatted USB stick inserted. I then tested my new external USB GoTEK Floppy Emulator with Aleste 2 and disk swapping worked perfectly! Moral of the story: Do not buy an external GoTEK Floppy Emulator from AliExpress! Problem solved! Thank you so much for trying to help solve my problem!
Is there a place I can get the SFD formating floppy usb tool? I got my gotek for my old drum machine..but the only problem is that the "Batch Manage Tool (similar like SFD) won't let me open any of the floppys I've made. Need help if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong. Maybe win10 is not compatible with it?
I unsuccessfully tried to find the external USB verion of the Gotek drive. I've got an internal in my DOS-PC but I'd love to have one to connect to my modern PC. Can anybody help me find a seller of one of those? Thanks!
Where can I find an external version? All I could find on Amazon or Ebay are the internal versions.
Thanks
Links are in the description!
@@philscomputerlab Thank you... Didn't see it... Not very fond of mobile youtube.
You can get these off wish etc very cheap
Hey Phil. I have an 8gig flash drive and formatted it following your instructions using the Gotek Emulator. Problem I encounter was my 8gig flash drive can only save 1.38mb and that's it.
Another great vid by Phil!
Nice to see that you're using laptops for a change! :)
Thank you :) Yes the laptop comes in handy some times. Ready to go and easy to setup.
I installed a internal USB floppy in my Yamaha V50 my v50 has a ribbon cable from my old drive and was soddered.
I'm not sure the type of ribbon cable required since the power came from the motherboard
The unit purchased is 34 pin on the drive. The v50 I'm not sure can you confirm.
Thanks John Reissiger
Hi Phil...
Valuable tutorial on the matter....
Thanks.👍
How far back is driver support for these Gotek drives? Will it work in even DOS/Win3.x? What about the included software? As a bootable floppy emulator do they even need drivers at all?
Hi. Can you put an image of this CD with drivers and software on your home page (or wherever)? I bought internal GOTEK but the programs are Asian in the GOTEK website.
I just purchased an external drive and it now does format the usb drive
It is so cool that these Gotek drives can replace many frustrating and slow floppy operations! Including installing DOS/Win3.11, loading F6 drivers for Windows XP installs, etc and saving you huge amounts of time and effort managing all those floppy disks when you can have 100 of them on a single thumbdrive! Wohooo! :)
Alternative for “USB GOTEK” can be this adapter (includes Power Cable for drive unit):
34pin 1.44mb floppy connecter to USB adapter cable
www.ebay.com/itm/34pin-1-44mb-floppy-connecter-to-USB-adapter-cable-34-pin/292785302872
Therefore, I can swap “REAL” floppy drive with GOTEK drive to make images. In addition, you can find GOTEK for PC with OLED display instead of 7-segment LED. Benefit is clear - just one USB partition and your diskettes are regular image files. (and more - GOTEK can be configured or FW-upgraded by regular config file on USB)
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Nice find, I like that USB adapter! I had a look at the GOTEK mods, they aren't for me, I'm 100% happy with the GOTEK as it is :)
what if you plug it into itself?
Is there a limit for the capacity of the thumbdrive used for the 100 floppy images? Wouldn't storage space be wasted if you have a larger capacity drive? Can you use the chosen thumbdrive for anything else besides floppy images or not?
doesn't it defeat the purpose of a floppy emulator if you can just use other USB devices?
Unless the point is that you can use the USB one to load up your USB key with virtual floppies and then use that USB key with your retro setup with the internal one?
"Unless the point is that you can use the USB one to load up your USB key with virtual floppies and then use that USB key with your retro setup with the internal one?" That's EXACTLY the cool thing about this :)
Thx for the background music
Have you tried the HxC floppy emulator (rev F)? You can find them on Lotharek.
I know the project, but the GOTEK does everything I need!
Does this work on an MPC 2000XL? Also, on the 2000XL, would I be able to store projects on partitions larger than 1.44MB?
Jehvan You need a card reader drive
3:04
5:22
thanks... As a kid i played prince oft persia much.... but i didnt know since yet that it was prince of persia ive played(i hope u und er stand me)
Ha, I understand :)
It almost looks like you could take the plastic housing from the internal drive and swap it with that of the usb external drive to make it black. I can't tell if the connectors in the back were the same sized cut out though.
Hey, cool idea! Haven't thought about that at all :D Will check it out for sure, thanks.
Where can I find the external floppy emulator? I have only found internal versions.
Search for "floppy emulator" on eBay and look at the thumbnails until you find one.
Does the internal one work with an Amiga 500?
what is the model number of the usb cabled one?
as I am not having any luck finding it, just the old pin connecters.
tia
I'll have a look on ebay and give you a link.
I enjoy the fluid and realistic animation of this game
Can you do a vid on making a tri-boot system with DOS, Win 7, and Win 8 all on one internal disk?
No because I'm against multi boot setups. I rather use multiple HDDs and just swap them out :)
I been wanting to get one how ever i don't want to wait 39-59 days to get it. Is there any other places buy in Canada
I take it you've been waiting for 7 months for a reply, rather than wait 1 month for shipping 😂
So plug Gotek to USB port and then USB drive to Gotek? I get those what have actual floppydrive interface, but why usb to usb gotek?
Have you used a USB Floppy Drive before? It's just like that.
Yeah, some bios updates etc may be done. I have thought that these are just truly for replacing internal drives or so on. But ofcourse its better that there is one for everyone;) Im waiting to receive my gotek for my A500, also ordered 3D printed bracket for it so i can replace internal drive with that.
Thank you for uploading these kind a videos and replying people asking stupid questions;)
casio ctk 811 usb floppy emulator
WHERE CAN I BUY THIS EMAULATOR WITH A USB CABLE?
They are available on places such as eBay and AliExpress.
Sounds like an Atari game
Is it mandatory to have the external one to transfer files to the internal one? or is it possible to read the usb format with a separate program?
If you can work the program they supplied :D It's not very good...
@@philscomputerlab Ok. Thank you 🙂
if you have a disk image, can you use that or would you need to extract it first
You can write disk images directly to it! Under Windows you can use winimage, under dos just use diskcopy. It also works with self-writing disk images. Like those form bootdisk.com that are executables.
very good
Hi, can you explain the process to add files to a USB pendrive formatted to 1000 floppy USB. I have mine now but the Pc can recognize it, so I cant add anything. I even used the 100 floppies format and even than the PC can recognize it, the files added doesnt stay saved to the Floppies USB particions. Please Help
I can't explain it much better than this video, there is not much to it. This unit can't format to 100 disks, so I don't know what unit you actually have. Best to ask the seller for support.
Can this work with ms-dos software?
Of course.
Hello, do you know how to transfer files into each floppy disk???? what software do i need? :( i'm having trouble.....
i have 100 separate floppy disks in my USB but i'm clueless on how to transfer files into each disk :[
Forget thinking of software. Think of a real internal floppy drive, and a real external floppy drive. What I show in the video is exactly like that, but uses USB stick instead of floppy disk.
I Have the same Gotek in the video. I want to know how to open the folders of each floppy so i can load files into them.
@@shlomoshekelmaster2380 You format the usb for each 'floppy' by changing the number to the floppy you want to use then right click, select format and push yes. it creates seperate floppies that can be used to save stuff. You have to remember which virtual floppy you put your stuff in to be able to access it.
I have two of the grey internal drives but haven't got around to using them. But I can't wait to! I'm going to replace all my computers drives with these since normal floppies corrupt like crazy. I literally have to toss a dozen in the trash each time I'm looking for one that still works.. I'm glad you made this video to help me get started.
Yes you will love the GOTEK!
Hey I also noticed there are two versions of the internal drives: One that is designed for 1.44MB and the other 720K. Isn't the 1.44MB having trouble making 720K images? Is that why you need the 720K drive for earlier systems? Another question, what about compatibility with those floppy writer programs such as the boot floppy creator executable for Win9x boot floppies? This programs asks to insert a floppy to write and it will format and copy the files to it. Similar programs like this exist for driver unpacking. It is usually a DOS executable that will extract the drivers to a formatted floppy and will ask for additional floppies in sequence. What is your experience with these programs?
Don't know, I don't see a reason to use 720 when your machine can do 1.4.
So, are you aware of any commercial/industrial applications for this emulator. I ask because the embroidery machine I have cost a lot of money and I wouldn't like to do anything without fully considering the potential outcomes. Again, your online posts are very informative. Thanks and regards, Nick
Nick Turner Obviously don't just follow some random guy on the Internet (me) without checking, but I think you should be fine if you take a note of exactly how everything was connected before you try this floppy emulator so that you can put it back together exactly as it was, in case it doesn't work right. If software modification on the embroidery machine is involved, you may need to be more careful and make sure you know how to revert to the previous configuration.
Nick Turner Obviously don't just follow some random guy on the Internet (me) without checking, but I think you should be fine if you take a note of exactly how everything was connected before you try this floppy emulator so that you can put it back together exactly as it was, in case it doesn't work right.
If software modification on the embroidery machine is involved, you may need to be more careful and make sure you know how to revert to the previous configuration.
Nice one, Swift fox. I did a fair bit more research, found it to be reassuring, so took a calculated risk and...hey presto! I fitted one. You can use the gotek emulator on a commercial embroidery machine. My reasoning was that they are advertised in the UK as being emulators for retro keyboards. These keyboards are all much more complex, from both a data reading capability and electronically, than a commercial embroidery machine (which is a bit of a caveman by comparison :) There are vids on you tube of many such emulator conversions on massive industrial machinery.
Seems like the ipcas site is down. :-(
Still possible to download the software from the site if you can find the direct link.
Here is a google cache version of the download page:
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LQdtAw40NgEJ:www.ipcas.com/support/usb-floppy-emulation-download.html
And here is the link to the 1.40i software zip file:
www.ipcas.com/download/products/usb-floppy/usb-floppy-emulator-tool-v1.40i.zip
Hey Phil, have you looked at the Zalman ZM-VE200/300/400 emulator, which can emulate USB Sticks, floppy, HDD and optical drives? I personally use a Zalman ZM-VE400, and it's really handy storing OS boot images and PC diagnostic tools on it
I'll have to check it out!
Seriously cool, but they do seem to have serious QA issues.
Előd Valkai Yea? Maybe I was lucky. I think I have 4 or 5 of these now :)
Naah, I'm talking about the Zalman stuff. I'd be more willing to try the Gotek ones.
Előd Valkai Oh I see, ok.
These two models would be great together for the stuff I do.
Yup, that was the main reason why I wanted to show both in this video.
Paul Potter are you family from Harry Potter?
Why not try switching plastic casings from the external and internal drives by opening them up first? That way when your done you will have your black external drive you wanted.
Yes, a great idea, not sure why I haven't thought about it :) Awesome
Your're welcome mate :)
Link for download software?
It doesn't need software!
This emulator use tajima tfgn (Windows) lcd? yes/not
External usb floppy emulator
I have a question tho, I have a 512 GB flash drive which can store about 360,000 floppy(s) worth of data and this unite only has a 3 digit 7 segment display how am I supposed to select anything higher than floppy number 999 if it only can display 3 digits?
You can't.
you shouldn't use usb flash drives that have more than 2 gb capacity.
Tuna Yücer why?
Rounak Dutta 0 to 999 is the limit. No point in using such a large USB :)
+PhilsComputerLab yeah. 1000 floppy images equal 1440 MB. a 2gb flash drive can handle 1000 floppy images.
Thanks for another great video, Phil. Two questions... I wasn't aware of the 1000 format, so thanks. When doing so, will your previously recommended software just see the 1000 "disks" automatically?
Second... I have a Teac dual 3.5"/5.25" IDE drive. I don't have a way to get 5.25" floppys onto my modern PC, so use this a lot. Right now, I have to connect/disconnect this drive with the Gotek, which sucks because I have to open the case each time. If I use the USB Gotek, is there a way to have all 3 drives active in the system? Note that the combo drive does show as both a: and b: for the 3.5" and 5.25", respectively. Thanks!
The software will only see 100 disks. So you need a GOTEK to access all 1000. Unfortunately the BIOS only supports 2 floppy drives, A and B. Does the TEAC have two ckonnectors at the back? You might have to replace it with a standard 1.2 MB floppy in combination with the GOTEK.
+PhilsComputerLab OK, thanks. In theory then, if I had a gotek at both places, how would I write data and images to the disks over 100?
With the floppy drive, I might be able to disconnect the 3.5" portion of the drive, but I do like having both the gotek and the physical option there. What about some kind of switch that I could wire to the outside of the case?
All you need to do is format the USB with 1000 images using the INTERNAL GOTEK and the built-in formatting function.
Now you can use this USB stick in both GOTEK devices and access floppy 0 to 999 through the buttons at the front.
Yes you could unplug the 3.5" in the 2 in 1. I haven't seen a floppy selector device in all my years, not sure such a thing exists to be honest.
+PhilsComputerLab Thanks again. Last clarification before I grab a second one, is it still possible to write images to the floppys without using the software? If not, will the software still see the first 100 and function correctly?
Yes!
You can do this on both :)
Under Windows winimage will work, but you can also self-writing images, like bootdisk.com.
On the real DOS machine, just use DISKCOPY command. I actually should make a video on that one day as I didn't know it could do that...
what's the largest partition size utilised?
why didn't you just create an iso image of that driver disc and put it on the usb flash drive.
Please clarify what you mean.
To show the driver CD.
+PhilsComputerLab you can have that disc image copied in the usb drive as a back up or redundancy and then use a program called alcohol 52% for free or which ever your favorite disc image tool like daemon tools. and that way you could have your ffd become a cd emulation drive.
checking also if you can use this under dos and what the max partition size capable for dos to access it as a fdd.
Where can I order this external unit?
I got mine from eBay. Just look at a few models, you should find one.
I hope I can find one.
Oxygenic, there are loads on amazon. Cheap as chips too.
Not the USB edition and not cheap as chips... Not too expensive either though. Hard to find within European borders. Ordering from US for us is expensive because of the tax added for importing.
There is the usb edition on amazon and it's cheap in the UK
Can you link to where you can buy one.
search for model UFA1M44-100
Thank You for responding was able to get one for $28 dollars.
So... you have converted a USB port to a... USB port! NICE!
WOOSH
@@philscomputerlab no dude, it didn't go over my head. I get it. But still I thing it's a niche 'market'. Unless there is a use I can't think of.
Thank you, good useful information.
WTF do you need the usb version for?? Simply plug in your usb drive to the usb port. Then only save tiny files to it at a time all the while making strange floppy drive sounds: Schick schick....Brrrrrrr.....Schick schick Schick schick Schick schick Schick schick Brrrr Brrrr Schick schick Bing! And there you have it, waste of money averted.
I'm not sure if you're being funny or serious. If you're serious, the issue is that you can only access the first floppy image when you plug the USB into the computer. With software you can access the first 100, but not the remaining 900.
+PhilsComputerLab
I don't understand, this just looks like a USB drive with a 34 pin plug instead of a USB plug... Is that all this is? How is this any different from saving data to a thumbstick? It's just been partitioned into several drives...
It's a floppy drive that uses a USB stick instead of floppy disks. If you don't work with floppies, then you really have no need for this device. It's great for working with old machines though, like the retro gaming PCs I build for this channel :)