Exploring the King's Field Games (with Casitive)
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2022
- 0:08:08 - King's Field 1
0:18:52 - King's Field 2
0:35:58 - King's Field 3
0:55:57 - King's Field: Additional
01:04:45 - King's Field 4
01:25:34 - Question Time!
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I'm the Skeleton on the left, she's the skeleton on the right (in case there was any confusion :P)
This is very important for everyone to know; thanks for clearing this up!
I could have sworn you were the sword talking to us the whole time!
This was fantastic sub earned 10 fold
@@Truestoned0 thank you, hopefully you'll check out Casitive too :)
"Dont give up, skeleton"
Wish they'd do a kings field collection release
You have a better chance of pissing in a shot glass that's spinning on a record player while strapped to a running cheetah's back.
I want to throw my money at them but i have to emulate the games, the only one i could buy was shadow tower because it’s on ps3. If they ever release them i will instantly buy the games
That would honestly be fantastic
There's a collection of the first three only in Japanese I believe.
This is King's Field 1, which didn't release in the West. I won't elaborate.
Hmm.. plz elaborate on what u mean?
I Don’t know what elaborate means but could you use more words to go a little more in depth with your explanation?
All these facts and perspectives on King's Field scratch that very specific itch of wanting to know every last detail about these fascinating games and this fascinating studio. Thanks, you two!
A video about King's Field and Dark Souls 2 would be absolutley amazing! Please make it happen!
YES!!!
I would love a video talking about how ds2 is like a kings field 5! That mention of the darklurker being related to iron keep really caught my attention. I’ll have to look more into how iron keep might have once been part of the underground immortals.
This was a great video man! Really well done!
I really hope you were serious about that “Dark Souls 2 is really King’s Field 5” video. That would be so awesome!
I'm late to the party, but i hope they haven't given up on that idea either cause i think that'd be a great video!
This was great. Your salty Seath / Kalameet mini fanfic made me LOL.
Lol
Nice, now I can pretend i know stuff about King's Field even harder.
This was great, glad I'm not the only one who got King's Field vibes from Dark Souls 2.
Souls fanboys be like Demon's Soul was difficult! Dark Souls is hard! Dark Souls 2 is TOO HARD. I cry every time.
Very underrated chanel, keep the good work
That was incredibly insightful and entertaining. Any chance we can get a similar super deep dive on the Shadow Towers?
That would be so dope
Great video! really looking forward to the dark souls 2 is king's field discussion, been waiting for such a thing ever since I saw the sunken city from KF4 in the DLC of DS2. subscribed
Great to hear!
Fullw arning though, I have no idea when the Dark Souls 2 is King's Field 4 II video would be.
I have a Sekiro commentary coming out shortly though so maybe that'll get you to stick around :)
@@AesirAesthetics no worries, have seen your kings field 4 video quite a while ago just forgot to sub, and also watched the last guardian one today, also good luck with the snail game and all other endevours!
Thank you :)
I gobble up anything King's field related. Feed me more!
The English copy of kingsfield the ancient city I ordered came in the mail today, it’s really really fun
Awesome!
Nice. Looking forward for the DS2 video!
Been waiting for a lore video like this for years.
looking forward to you two making a followup to this about the kings field/dark souls 2 connection! i've always been fascinated by this
One day :)
Aesir does't know where babies come from.
HEY! >:(
YOU HAVE TO BE NICE TO ME!
@@AesirAesthetics XD
Demon's souls is Shadow of Oblivion Field 5. Even gods can't change my mind.
Kings Field is a great series. This was a rough telling of the story and lore. Good effort though. Also with Leon Shore in KF(2), his mother disappears because she gives you her Figure of Seath which had been keeping her alive even though she had died. Thats what the Figure of Seath does. It gives you a "extra" life. You can also use one to revive the dead guy in the cave of poison. The little girls father. I believe his name is Teo.
Could listen to y’all talk about FS for hours
man this game i such nostalgia to me...feel way more scarier than compare like dark soul or blooedborne, thanks to the graphics and gameplay...the world in the king's field (im pretty much talk about the 4th one, i didn't get the chance to play the other one) it's just dark, grim, and bleak...
I listen to this and your Demon's Souls analysis on repeat for inspiration while modding Demon's Souls. It gives some real insight on how these games were made and the developers' original intentions. Keeps me grounded and focused. Thanks for what you and the community do!
If you are interested I have a video of the mod preview - m.ua-cam.com/video/ezIWUYymXuY/v-deo.html
I love this so much!
“I’ll put the item description on screen.”
Liar! Lmao, good video
Gateem!
Loved ur video guys, taught me Alot!! But, i cant find her channel anywhere types c/casitive and theomony and nothin popped up
Links are in the description
This was Fantastic .....Thank-you !
Thank you :)
Loved the discussion! Really makes me want to finally play these games myself, just like the vid w sophie about AC got me really into that series :)
PD: I know the cainhurst dragon guardian has similar ideas to that ER model, but I really dont think they are the same. It does have a dragon on its helmet but the mesh shapes dont look similar at all imo
1:50:40 My mind perked up when I heard "Evergrace".
edit: What's that I hear about a novelization? :o
I wish they would remake this series again
The opening track is classic
Amazing video! I know i replied to someone else on here but wanted to comment, that i really hope you guys do the ds2 and kings field video i think that'd be an amazing video
Agreed.
could be the idol of sorry could be the lingering hatred of the two dragons that are trapped in the stone.
shadow tower is the game dealing with the cult right after they from and trying to summon guyra. the idol in KF4 is the result of the shadow god failed to be summoned in the shadow tower. guyra was the elves name for there dragon. the other gods are active in souls games thousands of years later. just maybe ?
Also demon souls could be when darkness enveloped the land in another part of the lands
*mentions weird trees in FromSoft games* ... *Doesn't mention the mulberry trees of Kuon* Disappoint D:
Thanks for the vid
I feel like Gwyn was leaving people alone until he saw something was going on then he acted on it but he was too late and got overwhelmed by the demons and humans who were developing the undead curse. Then he had to block Anor Londo and everywhere there is a Soul of a Lord or a fragment of the Lord soul he gave ..
Cause he kinda gave them too much powers and then he couldn’t control them anymore
I believe the tweet or reaposnse was "Why now all this noise about metal wolf?"
Broo a 2 hours video niceee
Would you ever consider doing an awesome podcast movie length discussion like this but for Armored Core? The game engine used in KF is apparently the same as AC1.
Today is a good day, becausw this video released.
This will probably make.my next 3 days.
The game's title was taken directly from the name of a golf course one of the developer's directors saw while visiting England.
Yuuuup!
I read it in an ols interview not that lo g ago and was like wtf?
About From Software and porting and rereleases, didn't they handle the PC port of the Prepare to Die edition of Dark Souls 1? In 2012, with the Games for Windows - Live stuff. And also the pc versions of II, III and Sekiro, and Scholar of the First Sin for all of the platforms it was on.
I also thought stuff like the PSP version of Armored Core 3 and the Nintendo DS version of The Adventures of Cookie & Cream were handled internally, though admittedly From Software was a very different company back then from what they are now.
it does mention there is a way to purify the water. and i thought it was gurya or whoever who was poisoning the water
1:12:22
nope, not nihilistic
it feels more like the absurdism, need for "rebelion" to confront the absurd
of albert camue
will you ever cover Eternal ring on ps2? Same type of game by fromsoft tho nobody really talks about it
7 minutes in and I know what I'm doing the next 2 hours
enjoy :D
Hey @Aeisir and @Casitive If everything is connected and goes back to Vallad and the seed of evil. I think Elden Ring takes place on the planet Valicia created by Sylval. I think Guyra could be likely the Dragonlord deity and Seath could be behind the Age of Stars or the Primordial Current possible controlling or manipulating Ranni.
I think Malikeths sword could be Darkslayer it has an obsidian blade. The prince of Death and the Deathroot all comes from the Seed of Evil created from Vallad splitting his power and becoming a tree unknowingly creating a malevolent dark being. Maybe Vallad was The Great Tree, and after the night of the black knives that evil embodies Godwyns godly flesh somehow affecting the order and the Erdtree/Elden beast is the seperate manifestion/envoy from the One Great. If Vallad fails in his God given rite to created a sufficiant world, it would make sense if a manifestation of the creator would attempt to take control of a very bad situation.
I think its ultimately bridging a gap between the Demon souls lore and Kings Field. If the games are linked in a Zelda-esque timeline how do you think the timeline would go.
I think if it was it would go
ER
KF
DemS
DarkS
Bloodborne
I have lots of evidence/information about the subject and I would love to speak about it.
Is the information about the events that lead to King's Field 3 taken from some external sources?
Because in the game itself, as far as I understand the japanese story, Alexander/Aleph tries to fight the maddened Alfred with the Moonlight Sword but he loses and the sword breaks.
To squeeze out the last bit of magic left in the sword Alexander/Aleph cleanses himself off the normal magic elements by conveying them to four mages. He now only possesses the power of light which makes him pure and enables him to use the broken Moonlight Sword to seal the castle and its nearby premises (so not the whole of Verdite).
Same with Pilot Style. In the game (and the back of the jewel case) it is said that the broken Moonlight Sword was entrusted to Silviera/Rodom by Alexander/Aleph and he stored it in the northern guard post. It was then stolen and brought to Ryza village, so Silviera/Rodom sets forth to recapture it.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes a much greater deal of sense.
Unless I missed something in playing King's Field 3 which is entirely possible, do you ever find Silviera/Rodom in Verdite Castle? I thought I scoured the place top to bottom, but couldn't find trace of him. I would have thought with a character so important that his corpse at least would have been lying somewhere.
I really liked this but I did expect a bit more specific details in te talk. Can I have more please? :)
Great video!! Do you think the world in Elden Ring could be the ruins of the "Place of the Beginning" from kings field lore? The huge tree is why I'm curious.
So kingsfield is the prologue to Demon’s souls ?
Late notif but still here
#justacommentofappreciation
I'm starting to think that you've gotten into FromSoft games, just to be friends with all these lore supernerds!
Not a dig at Casitive of course, she's very knowledgeable and it was fun to hear her talk at length about these games.
👀😗
21:26 教王 Translates as Pope not Church King. Which explains why they localised him into Necron. The last thing they needed were Christians getting angry about their obscure PS1 game. Church king would be 教会の王様.
In the end we're going with the term Hierophant (this was recorded before we finished masters). The Pope/Church King stuff we get in translation isn't quite correct for what's happening with Dias Bagel but the Kanji relates to fun things like 'King of Doctrines' in Buddhism and in Shogi. We don't think the Machine Translation really hits with 'Pope' and the actual Translator agrees.
@@casitive Looks like my dictionary let me down here. You are right 教王 is an piece used in some obscure variants of Shogi such as 摩訶大大将棋, 泰将棋 and 大局将棋
Most likely the original translators came across the same mistranslation I did. Although it's quite clear to see why that occurred since the kanji used in Pope is 教皇 means emperor rather than King. The pronunciation is also the same.
I think the Hierophant is a better translation and keeps an air of mystery whilst still retaining the correct meaning. It also removes any unintended Christian meaning. Although the Hierophant tarot card in Japanese is called 教皇 or Pope because that is what the card is also sometimes called in English.
Maybe The King of Doctrines would be slightly better? These discussions are what make translation so much fun. I'm not trying to throw shade on your translation project. I'm sure it will be great :)
@@darkjapan No worries!
This was a long discussion on this in particular! Especially since we discovered that dialogue lines call all the people working for Dias Bagel as 'Warrior Monks' and variations upon that theme.
It's definitely fun but also maddening cus of how do we capture what's going on with the right terms? And for sure, I'm sure this tripped up the original translators because on paper and without context -- it all means Pope/Church King.
Once we release it all -- which will probably be soon -- we're releasing with transcriptions of all 400 lines so it'll be transparent!
So, I'm assuming Casitive is correct when she says that you actually play as Alexander in Pilot Style retrieving the sword and that it was Silviera who hid the sword away because she definitely seems well educated on the subject of KF lore, but does that mean the fan translation floating around for Pilot Style is incorrect? In the fan translation you actually play as Silviera retrieving the sword, I believe (the NPCs refer to you the player as Silviera in the fan translation of Pilot Style).
No, she must have misremembered it since you are definitely playing as Silviera (who is named Rodom in the original japanese text). Also Pilot Style takes place 3 years after Alexander/Aleph sacrificed himself (as it is written on the back of the jewel case) so there is no way you could play as him.
@@jinpachinko6106 Yeah, that part sounded very strange. Especially since the cutscene shows the castle being covered by this shield. You even find a carving in the game from Gigi's father who says they've gone to Granatyki. (Meaning the curse of the island was broken as it said at the end of King's Field 2.) In forgetting those details, I wonder what else may be a bit off in that explanation.
YES YES YES YES YES YES
1:19:45: one year late but there MLGS room in IV has engravings of dragons, which I think are reused from some of the lore tablets
not a direct reference but definitely a nod to its origin
2:12:22 also funny, this part is just because in the original the trigger to load the next room is set to a strict under value instead of a under or equal, but floating point operations on ps2 were lax enough to allow it. it's less of a "the games forgets" and more like if metroid prime you forgot to add a door
What's that sword you were talking about in DS3 with the cheeky description? I wanted to go check it out
It's not a sword, we got that wrong.
It's the "Old Moonlight" sorcery :)
@@AesirAesthetics ahh interesting nonetheless, kinda implicates kingsfield being in this universe then if its saying "not long after the beginning" in the description.
It would be cool if they made a game that takes place in a poison swamp.
🤔
Is the chronicles of verdite canon to the ingame lore?
Is it this material that mentions 6 themes of FROM sotrytelling? Would you mind writing them in the comment or timestamping?
I don't remember 😄
Bluepoint failed so hard with Demon’s Souls.
The fact that we can’t have the OG graphics as an option in the remake is bizarre.
Giving them King’s Field would be tantamount to giving your baby to a hungry Jaguar.
There's three maps in kingsfield the ancient city the thief's map which is probably the best map
I didn't get any king's field vibes from ds2. I'm curious why you think it's basically kf5?
Necron is from Warhammer.
It's just Latin for "Darkness" or "Night" or something like that.
crops up in a lot of media
@@AesirAesthetics oh
"hey lets change the names to people we know because we thought itd be cool. you'd never have that now! never ever!" do you KNOW what localization is like these days casitive? absolutely this would happen. characters, places, even whole chunks of PLOT get changed for no freakin reason
even aesir is agreeing with this point... i dont get it. you should really both look into what kind of things happen in localization. renaming characters after your ceo's username or whatever is not exactly out of the realm of possibility. things are changed all the time with very little reasoning behind the changes
Very true.
I want to actually know the field and the king that owns it, they keep referring too in the title.
oh so it his world before Silver.
I wish FS would go back to more original ideas like this series, rather than just remaking Demons Souls with new skins and calling it a new game. Though Seirko was a bit different, to be fair.
I don't like this type of discussion video nor the other speakers
then dont watch them 🤔
@@AesirAesthetics I didn't, just thought I'd give you feedback for your future videos! as you can see it has preformed significantly worse than all of your other videos, i think the vast majority of people would agree with me in saying they prefer solo commentary videos as apposed to discussion based with more than 1 person speaking.
no hate simply giving feedback, i love all of your other videos though!
There was and still is a lot of backlash regarding Dark Souls II because its a terrible game. Coming from someone who ranks the King's Field games above most of FROMs output, and KFIV at the top.
I want FROM to do a new KF style game, not a new KF-titled game. I want a first person, one hit per slow regenerating stamina with Eternal Ring magic system and KF atmosphere game done by Miyazaki.