Honestly, Joe Rogan's podcast is such a great way for people to be exposed to different ways of thinking from a variety of fields of knowledge. Joe is a really progressive thinker with original and flexible ideas and I wish that there were more voices like his out there. This was a great interview!
nicholas schoonbeck Everyones closeminded to an extent but the JRE is still good in that it showcases a broad range of interesting and accessible ideas ranging from very coolheaded logical people to provocateurs to eddie bravo.
"Absent their ability to pull wealth out of the ground, they have no intellectual content. They don't produce anything of value that anyone wants." This is just pure brilliance.
+thugassassin that was almost 100 years ago. The statement stands, and is 100% correct. You're reading comprehension is woefully bad for you to make such a blatantly disingenuous comment.
+thugassassin he's talking about *now*, which is why the conversation is centred on oil, since they *currently* produce little else for profitable export. Also, not that your criticism is particularly relevant to the quote that you're responding to, but he's never denied (and in fact has acknowledged) the academic contributions - specifically Algebra - of Muslim scholars to modern scientific understanding in The Moral Landscape, and various lectures and talks he's given on that topic (though, I think it was V.S. Ramachandran that corrected him that it was actually the Indians who were responsible for that).
+formdoggie5 Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe: From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, < --- my reading comprehension is bad? LOL. I think, since humans have been around for greater than tens of thousands of years, that a few decades without huge intellectual contributions to the world is perfectly acceptable. Unless you think something like Uber counts as a contribution? We can revisit this discussion in 20 years when it is irrelevant.
Except for that part where he was shown a study proving his idea about the number of casualties incorrect and he continued to defend his incorrect idea because of his feelings.
MrEarlander He probably has flawed beliefs, everybody's wrong at some point in their lives. Keep in mind the difference in perspectives between someone who has studied something and someone who hasn't.
It seemed to be more an issue of pride than anything else since he was on the defensive about stuff Abby Martin said on a previous podcast. That was one of his main points of contention and admitting he was wrong on that didn't seem like something he could do.
Honestly I am a bit confused about what your intentions are. Are you saying that all religions have extremists and that if some cartoonists are murdered then that is a thing that can happen because religions have crazy people in them and that if a group set out to satirise or deride a particular religion we should not be surprised if they are murdered? Have I understood your position? if not please feel free to clarify.
***** You arguing that Christian theology is the same as Islam theology in terms of violence....maybe in the past. In modern times Christian doctrine is no longer the same, where as Islam has yet to transform in such a way. So yes, current interpretation of Islam doctrine is advocating violence for more than current Christian doctrine...Denying that is ridiculous
***** i think that harris' argument about what makes islam different (in his opinion) is that islam is predicated, founded and encourages jihad as part of its fundamental practice...
Chomsky is one of those “serious scientists” who doubts the fabulous A.I. developments and also seems to disagree on Harris's whole philosophical project (free will etc.). There's also many who disagree on the kind of propositions Kurzweil makes about the brain, so Harris's claims are just too confident. Chomsky worked on A.I. in MIT and the Unabomber targeted him.
I'm not sure if I'm thinking of the right guy, but Kurzweil's the one that pretty much said the brain isn't magic, right? Because... well.. he'd be in the right zone; there's no real reason to believe there's anything astonishing about the brain apart from consciousness.
ConnorJohn Yes, and Kurzweil's actual theory of the mind has been criticized a lot. If the brain, or the processes we relate to it, are not astonishing, then why aren't we close to an artificial ant brain yet? www.singularityweblog.com/noam-chomsky-the-singularity-is-science-fiction/
They're astonishing no doubt, but there's no reason to believe they're unreplicable, given how well we can replicate certain functions of the brain. I'm with anyone who thinks we will be able to replicate the brain sooner or later. I mean, I'm probably with Chomsky, or more specifically Dennett, on this one, in regards to the criticisms against Kurzweil. But I gotta hand it to Kurzweil on ambition. I'm a bit of a futurist myself.
Lol spell check messed that up, but no there is no worship going on. Just a great amount of respect for such a intelligent human being. From someone who is also a deep thinker and sees things similar it makes me feel the human race could learn alot from his words.
NDT is surprisingly uninteresting and uninformative. He tries to make science look good to attract viewers rather than educate people about it. I did enjoy him on JRP though.
it says something when Joe can have people who despise Sam on, its usually for an 1:30:00. I think in total Sam is at 12:00:00 by himself. Maybe Sam does know a lot, hmmm...
WahdicalWeftist hateful keyboard warrior.you manage to come here every video an spew venom. You should fuck something. Then maybe you can come here and smile for a change
His patience is incredible, he spends all his time correcting people who are desperate to misrepresent him in order to have the moral high ground. It's incredible the extent to which people are eager to assign inferior moral values to positions they don't understand. Sam Harris is wrong, so let's label him a bigot or war monger. Why couldn't he simply be wrong? (He isn't). People are always clamoring to think of themselves as not only correct but morally superior. I wonder why they have so much to prove.
***** I don't like what you are doing. Sam will make a statement about Iraq and middle eastern politics. He'll make a very specific and a very narrow statement about the influence of religion on rational thinking. Then other people will criticize him with blanket statements and misrepresent his statement completely. Sam will then correct them and say "I wasn't saying those things, I was explicitly saying XXXXX" Then people, and it seems like you are doing this too, will say "well you are missing the point". He can't be missing the point, he's the one who MADE the point lol. Sam will say something specific and people will try to still "win" the argument by shifting subjects and saying "Sam isn't thinking of the big picture". Imagine two scientists debating evolutionary theory and then one of them says "yeah, well your evolution theory doesn't explain how volcanoes work!" That would be absolutely ridiculous, just like what it appears you are doing is ridiculous.
***** Yep, you then went on to call the occupation wrong. Something Harris never said was right, and in fact said was probably the wrong way to contain the issue of Sunni Shia violence. You admitted this. And then you make a fallacy of incredulity by saying "I wish he would use that good judgement when he considers US activities in Iraq since 2003." Maybe, even though that sentence doesn't make too much sense after the concessions you made, Harris *is* using his good judgement, and you might just not get it. I think it might be the latter, because it usually is the latter. Don't take my word for it, read this www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy
Martin Grimes im sure many people are aware that these days the truth doesnt matter... all that matters is saying the right lie to achieve some effect or change some view and the aftermath doesnt matter
I try not to agree with Sam too much and think critically, but it's hard man, guy's a walking logic machine. Also, that AI talk towards the end blew my fucking nuts away.
If he were ever to debate Chomsky directly and at length, Harris would be intellectually and morally humbled with a quite beautiful savagery. Harris, undoubtedly bright though he is, pales in comparison to Chomsky, as most do.
Sam talking about 'moral luck' reminded me of this "In life you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck."
@@fabiotieri3155 Sure it does. It's like a new driver only having insurance on a car for another month. They should try to learn to drive as much as possible within that month. Take your risks while you have a safety net.
I rarely see criticism of Sam Harris on his actual points. It's usually an emotional reaction. His main objective seems to be approaching accurately the root of an issue. There's this sort of allergic reaction to nuance that is common to his objectors. I don't understand the unwillingness to hear what he's saying and infer what he's not. Chomsky personified this unwillingness in his interaction with Sam.
Sounding like you know what you're talking about, which is what Cenk is good at, and actually being intelligent, are vastly different things. Cenk is an articulate idiot.
matello18 The worlds foremost expert on language, Chomsky, thinks very little of Harris, if you think his words are magical you need to increase your technical understanding of language. see Clarke's 3rd law.
It's a revolving door really... Dominant striker knocks everybody out eventually runs into dominant wrestler gets ground and pounded then said dominant wrestler is eventually knocked out by new dominant Striker.... Rinse and repeat
charlesvan13 Oh yea for sure she just made stuff up. You can see how little of a journalist she is. I just wanted to put those numbers out there cause they never googled it.
Cooper Carr That's actually a surprisingly low number. The US has high tech manufacturers like Lochheed Martin and McDonald Douglas working in military and aerospace. But it's not like selling F35s to Japan and Australia is arming despots. The USSR was the primary supplier of Saddam Hussein, with France coming second. But people like Martin just spew conspiracy theories, and facts don't matter.
Cooper Carr though i agree with you that she is full of shit. I think most (not all) journalist are full of shit and are usually trying to be lightning rods for attention. I really try to not listen to any news sites anymore and try to get my info from single trustable people. Dan carlin for example, tho he doesnt cover everything.
battlehardened37 Actual news papers have fact checking departments, and reporters get reprimanded for lying. Rolling Stone has suffered blowback for publishing misinformation, without fact checking. Recall, in 2004 Dan Rather got in trouble for sticking to a story about G Bush's air national guard service which turned out to be wrong--the memo turned out to be written on MS Word. Sources like RT and Salon.com are not news sources. There is no fact checking or accountability.
Sam Harris and Joe Rogan. Awesome combo, especially since Sam also does *BJJ training. *My apologies for writing 'MMA' earlier. I meant BJJ training, which Harris has talked about in his own podcasts. I didn't mean to imply that he was a fighter.
+77Avadon77 he does MMA ... end of sentence dont add to it and then claim it's incorrect. i could say 77avadon77 thinks sam is old and sexy but he'd not want him to fuck him, but he'd be wrong because sam isn't gay ... stupid isn't it ?
beebobox Baffled!! What the fuck are you talking about.Show me where Sam is doing MMA? At best he had a little martial arts training in his youth. Hardly mixed, not professional and it was so long ago as to not even be relevant. Like I said, he's NO MMA FIGHTER. Fucking deal with it. What I said was factual and poignant. You on the other hand are going full sjw fucktard. Just stop.
So sick of the left calling Harris a bigoted, racist, islamaphobe. Regardless if you agree or disagree, Sam articulates an extremely logical, open minded and fact driven view on many difficult subjects. His positions are generally moderate, very well reasoned and compassionate in the utilitarian sense. His ideas are so miss-interpreted by his critics that it's maddening.
@@Xpistos510 whats so funny is the only people who defend Sams views with such excess are the people who have never examined Sams views there is an incredible amount of gray area as Sam prefaced all of his anti islamic views as literally ignoring history to agree with Sam as even Sam stats it you need to ignore history i know sayimg you super woke against the authoritain left is why you support trump and war and Republicans and banks and Google and Facebook unless you can create some conspiracy about big business not like bad press maoes them SJWs
+Mick Corcoran What do you think that would actually accomplish? None of them actually know what's going on in the middle east. They are both authorities on nothing.
I will authority you in a minute ;-) Almost every podcast everywhere accomplish's nothing we just want to see it, plus I want to see Abby back up some of the shit she says when scrutinized.
+Mick Corcoran My point is that I would just like to find someone who knows what is actually happening over there over the past 50+ years or w/e .... A reasonable request? probably not.
+Mick Corcoran I dated this Iranian chick for a while and her grandma lived in San Mateo CA in richie-rich-ville and she told me stories about how the Sha or w/e was ousted and her grandma was part of his royal family/army. They had to transfer all of their wealth into gold and carpets and shit to bring it over cause the money was worthless I think. So i dunno, I just find the "history" fascinating ... whatever version that may be.
***** Have you seen how many bombs they "dropped" on themselves, in crowded marketplaces, schools, police stations, mosques, etc. etc., gtfo of here with your ignorant naive bullshit son...
mmm... I tried to find a definition to counter you, but the best I could get was "typically disproportional to the actual danger posed". Which isn't quite the same as what I've said. I stand corrected.
James Purvis Ok. Also about the Islamophobia: I think we should change the definition of the word: it's not a phobia of normal average peacefully living people who happen to be Muslims because of their culture and upringing, for me Islamophobia means a fear of that ideology itself: not the people, but the ideas they are victims of. So that's my position.
It implies racism towards muslims. You would think that its not a fucking race, but lefties are too deep in chomsky asshole to understand that simple fact.
+Gre Wibisono Yeah, I agree completely. (Except for the differences in voice and temperament), I was SURE I was seeing Ben Stiller's more-intellectual twin here. Good call!
To anyone who says Sam Harris talks about Islam too much, need I remind you that it is a fastest growing religion, the fastest spreading religion, and that means if a reformation is possible, all those factors are going to mean a SERIOUS uphill battle. If anything, the people criticizing Sam should be talking about Islam more.
Olive Pip when they a have an average of 8 kids you know your partly wrong but I agree the younger generation that the is becoming less involved with prayer maybe causing this
Think about that 2 million number for a minute. In 13 years of war, you would have to kill at least 421 innocent civilians, every single day, Monday through Sunday, for 4,745 days to reach a death toll of 2 million. Doesn't that sound somewhat illogical
smn475 The war started in in 2003, but what the show forgets is that Iraq was under sanctions since 1990. There was deaths as a result of sanctions before 2003 had even started. So the count is not from 2003-2014. the figures comes from 1990-2012. at least that's my understanding. Just google Iraqi deaths as a result of Sanctions, the figures seem pretty high.
smn475 The 2 million number is just an upper estimate. the lower end is 1.3 million, and that's for both Iraq and Afghanistan. The study doesn't claim pure responsibility for the US, it just shows how much died in the war as a result of extraneous violence. If you use the 1.3 figure and divide it by 2 for each country, then each war has 137 or so, violent deaths per day. This seems like a reasonable estimate, in a war. If you keep in mind that this is counting drone strikes and other operations in other countries its totally plausible. How much of those are fighting the US and how much is inner fighting is another issue. Note that the 1.3-2 million figure is for the entire war on terror, so it counts Iraq, Afghanistan , all the drone strikes and all the operations conducted under the banner of the war on terror.
boeos The sanctions deaths are from 1990 to 2003, and they are separate. Most estimates puts it around 500,000 more or less. The war in Iraq itself starting in 2003, is between 150,000 and a million. If you count only combatants death, its something around 200,000, if you add indirect deaths as a result of the war (like hunger, disease..etc) , which are in addition to the natural death rate, its around between 5 or 6 hundred thousand. www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/19/iraq www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/ The fact that Harris just sort of cavalierly dismisses all these studies and estimates as politicized or not kosher enough, is quite shocking. There seems to be a consensus among mainstream statisticians and demographers that these numbers are consistent.
Abby just sees 2 million deaths and thinks 'oh yea the US killed every single one of those people'. Not only is the 2 million guesstimate completely wrong, but her small minded conclusion that all of those deaths were at the hands of the US is unbelievably naive. Not a single thought goes to the sectarian violence that is blatant in the news every fucking day. She either choses to ignore this or is completely stupid. Either way, she's naive but thinks she's incredibly smart, it's unbearable.
The problem with "intention" is that there is no way to gauge it with certainty. You can always claim your actions had good intentions while secretly planning for destruction. This ideology separates culpability from causation and creates an environment of free reign.
What does the inability to grow food in sand have to do with death due to military action? I'm not being facetious, I am just genuinely curious as to your logic
+Devhi P Not logic, hyperbole -- Of course you dont seriously mean that soldiers piloting drones killing women and children is a time-consuming endeavor.
My point was simply the logistics of killing an average of 355 people a day every day for ten years, I was just suggesting that that's a lot to be blaming entirely on america
Sal Macias lol he’s a nerd that never got pussie or never was popular now he has followers everywhere he’s a narcissist big time and jus so intelligent he knows how to hide it he is a mad scientist and he’s working for the devil 👿 trust me
Man... Joe Rogan really does not understand philosophical discussion. Sam Harris used the example of the friend who accidentally stabs you in the kitchen simply to show that intentions mater... then Joe objected and called that a disingenuous comparison? He was not comparing an accidental stabbing to a drone strikes...he was outlining a concept at it's most fundamental level as a way to form a basis for his subsequent comments/arguments. That is how philosophical discussion works.
Burial Yes, but the philosophical argument was disingenious and acted as nothing but a straw man compared to what was discussed. I agree that had Joe not interrupted, Sam may well have layed out the moral differences being the shadow of each intention reflected upon the acts themselves.
Joe Rogan tried to play the intellectual when Sam is on, but the truth is he can't live with him and doesn't even realise he's being made to sound stupid.
The "perfect weapon" analogy was brilliant. Absolutely dead-on brilliant. It perfectly describes the the problem with the Greenwald's, Martin's and Chomsky's of the world.
Matthew Belnavis I feel like its crucial to an intellectual discussion to play devil's advocate for a bit to see what the other side will say. Alot of the time Sam reacted to counter points or even evidence to the contrary of what he was saying with oh that website is trash etc etc....It's fairly see-through in my opinion
+Matthew Belnavis Too bad Joe didn't challenge Abby on anything. I'm not sure if it's a gender thing or maybe he was just in a different mood. Most of the time Joe tries to avoid disagreement though. One podcast he's supportive of police and ridiculing social justice warriors, the next he's pretending to be one.
Joe is a true social chameleon who have a really finely calibrated ability to see where he can push it or where he has to back down not in order not creating a toxic environment for a conversation. It can look inconsistent or even intellectually dishonest but it what makes this podcast work.
Dan Unknow Well yea but the alternative is joe calls out bullshit aggressively and trashes his guest who is then humiliated in front of millions. Then anyone with a controversial point of view or line of work or whatever would be scared of getting on the podcast.
I feel like every time I listen to Sam Harris speak, it doubles as a vocabulary lesson. I'm constantly having to pause the video and look up words that I've never heard of, that he uses so effortlessly.
+SpamTheManChan This is what happens when you don't speak a 2nd language and have a reasonably high verbal IQ. I'm pretty sure his mathematical and visuospatial IQ is shit though. lol
ku lu Knowing 2 languages decreases the amount of total vocabulary you can have for each language as shown by research. So knowing one language is better. Harris obviously is verbally intelligent, his command on English is quite solid. Harris makes horrible logical arguments, so It's safe to say he has low or average Math and Logical IQ.
+ElectricQualia It's safe to say that he has low or average "Math and Logical IQ", because you've decided his logical arguments are "horrible"? That sounds like a pretty poor logical argument itself.
It would be cool to have a toilet that was Mohammed. Like bottom front would have a fake beard. The eyes would be on the top front. It would be tan olive colored. The lid and rim would be the mouth. So you would dump and piss in that pedo warlords mouth everytime. Also print a Qur'an on TP lol
2 million/12 years = 457 dead per day. Not completely unimaginable, but Pinker and Harris are careful scientific dudes. Abby Martin ain't no scientist. Harris isn't interested in being on the cool team. He's primarily concerned with knowing the truth. Lefties are always better than right wingers overall, because they have noble intentions of defending the underdog. Right wingers like the Koch brothers are just pure evil. However sticking up for a perceived underdog shouldn't trump a careful and nuanced attempt to know the truth.
MrEarlander Good scientists spend a lot of time designing and critiquing experiments/studies to ensure they are thoroughly representative of the truth. The methodology used to conduct the 2 million dead study might be bullet proof, or it might be suspect. I'm completely open minded and I'm looking into it right now. It's a big gap between 200k and 2 mill.
greengenesThe problem is they keep looking at 2003, 2003 is when the War started in Iraq, what they forget is Iraq was under sanctions prior to that from 1990, it was estimated that over 1 million+ Iraqis died as a result of those Sanctions, the numbers vary as high as 3.3 million including the war and post violence as a result of the war (2012). its not 2003 - 2014, its figures from 1990-2012, Harris is wrong it's in the atleast 1million+. What gets me is how he refers to Abbi as a bullet hose of bullshit, that is just a flippant response to someone who frankly deserves so much more. I like Harris on many things, but my opinion of him on in regards to the Iraq war and drones just goes down and down. His later comment saying Abbi would have to justfy staying in Iraq instead of leaving, I think Abbis position would be we should of never gone into Iraq in the first place. You can just google about deaths in Iraq as a result of sanctions and get a whole variety of pages, wiki etc.
This interview irritates me. Joe goes at Sam 100x's harder than he would ever dream of going at Abby. Abby can shovel load after load of bull shit on Joe's forehead and he treats her like she's his little sister. I don't know if Joe is just uncomfortable of dealing with women equally or maybe it's just the girls he wants to fuck. Either way, I find it weak that he refuses to question anything Abby says yet goes so hard at Sam just because Sam doesn't like Joe's little leftist sister. I don't think Joe liked how Sam gave him that back handed compliment at the begining either. "Drinking from a fire hose of bull shit". Hilarious!
+SpicyAfterbirth I disagree. I like Abby Martin and yes, you may be correct that she may at times leave herself exposed to criticism on which Joe could easily try to capitalize. I respect that much more than the sociopath Sam Harris who is simply (and you know, credit to him for being 'so intelligent') regurgitating pre-scripted bullshit that he has said 100x over.
justin vaughn Oh yeah, he's a "sociopath" because he denounces Islam for what it is. I'd like to see Abby Martin go to Sudan or Saudi Arabia for a couple of days with her pious Liberalism. See where it gets her. What's this nonsense about "pre-scripted" bullshit. NO ONE is speaking out about these things quite like Sam is, and godspeed to him the magnificent son of a bitch. Abby's just another 9/11 truther hypocrite. She's goddamn Cenk Uygur Status, except she's easily a 10
Hahaha being high and listening to Sam Harris describe brain damage from small bumps on the head and being extremely paranoid on whether or not I am losing grip on my mental health 😂
I finally saw Sam Harris get somewhat compromised. Drone strikes. Not on their use, but on their affects. Sam may be an intellectual powerhouse, but you gotta be wrong about something at *some point.*
All he was saying was there is an acceptable level of collateral damage for good intentions(killing terrorist), and he backed that claim by saying we comfortably accept 30k deaths per year just for the sake of driving being fun, its not really right or wrong
ConnorJohn He wasn't completely accurate with his car analogy, though. People don't drive over 5 mph "just for fun". We drive to transport ourselves from one place to another. If everyone drove 5 mph, there would be no need for cars, as humans can walk at half that speed and run/jog faster than that speed. We could ride bicycles or horses if we wanted to go faster... but then we would be putting ourselves at risk, which would somewhat negate the whole safely aspect of slowing down. We would also need to work as closely as possible to where we live and that isn't always feasible (if you live 10 miles from where you work, you are talking a minimum of a 4 hour daily commute by car). I'm a big Sam Harris fan... but I think he could have presented a better example than comparing drone strikes to driving over 5 mph.
I agree with Sam on a lot but regarding the Iraq war... The problem Sam is that we knew this would happen, we knew these countries would be destabilized. We knew from Germany and Japan what you need to do if you want to successfully depose a regime.... We spent years planning those occupations, and the Iraq invasion began less than 2 months after the planning began (people didn't even have desks and computers for most of that time). It's a joke, the Bush administration knew the occupation would be a shit show, they wanted it to be a shit show/didn't care. That doesn't fit with the 'bringing freedom' narrative and IMHO it's immoral to destabilize a nation and walk away.
+Chris D Sam Harris spoke out against the war, even when the rest of the country was gung-ho to engage. He mentions here that he never supported the war kind of as a throw-away line, but at the time, when it was vastly unpopular to do so, he spoke very clearly against it. When he speaks about it now, he will often point out that he understood the reasons for wanting to invade (depose Hussein, weaken Ba'athists) and that's often confused with him supporting it, which he did not.
sevlevboss I don't doubt it, it's just that when he was talking to Joe he made it seem like occupation was such a shit show because Islam is a shit show, when I think that could have been controlled for had the goal ever been humanitarian. Again I agree with most of what he says, it's that on this particular point I think he downplayed the Bush administrations negligence in order to play up Islam's sectarian fighting. Islams dogma is harsh and well suited to the ancient desert. It needs a reformation to exist in the modern world but at the same time constant de-stabilization, exploitation, proxy war... is making life tougher for these people, it is creating enemies for these people to fight and as such that hard line, cutthroat, desert ideology becomes more and more useful and appealing. It's a feedback loop.
+Chris D People forget motivation when it comes to the intent vs outcome debate. People should judge the violent act by the motivation of the actor. What motivation did Dick Cheney have to initiate the 2nd Iraq War? What motivation does the Palestinian suicide bomber have (getting into heaven is *also* a factor)? The answer is usually multifaceted. Harris is totally wrong about Chomsky not considering intent, and he simply hasn't read most of Chomsky's material. Noam Chomsky is impeccable about his research and objectivity. Many of the criticism people have of Chomsky is attributed by slivers of his material. Also, Sam Harris is highly influenced by Alan Dershowitz. essentially a Law professor who represents (and is highly biased for) Israel. I believe Sam Harris is a great intellectual and an important voice, but he can't deny his own ideological tribalism (I don't really blame him). The best thing Sam Harris can do is emphasize that he wants to help Muslims by them disassociating from Islam.
+William Faulkner Even if everything you say is true , the implication that we should never intervene in muslim societies is also a faulty one . We can argue about the past but what is more important and gets missed here is how can we help people there and take out the Jihadis as they have made the lives of moderate people and women hell , with as less casualties as possible . As long as we give Islam a pass these groups will have a stranglehold on their culture. that's where chomsky and other liberals fail in my opinion .
the chikmiester I agree that we need to use our military might smartly, and to be a model nation (we need to do a lot better). As an agnostic-Atheist Afghan American, I actually hope the U.S. continues to operate in Afghanistan and proves to the World that we can truly help by opening markets and emphasizing human rights. Thankfully a Strategic Partnership Agreement has been signed between Afghanistan and the U.S...making Afghanistan a major non-NATO ally (like Israel, Korea, Japan, etc). The U.S. has a 10 year plan now to create a viable Afghan military w/ heavy U.S. aid. Afghanistan is getting 6 billion usd a year in military aid from Afghanistan..like Israel gets 3 billion usd. I hope one day Afghanistan drops the Islamic Republic part, but I understand it now. Imagine all those Afghan women and girls who like to skateboard etc, going back to the Taliban. We can't allow that to happen. Chomsky's ideals and criticisms are valid, but not pragmatic because not everyone is as intelligent and as ethical as Noam Chomsky.
I started out disliking Sam but then I found myself appreciating his depth of thought more and more as the show went on. I also have a growing appreciation for Joe as well.
This guy creeps me the fuck out. He reminds me of John du Pont. He's so monotone and nonchalant about his idealist justification of war and subjugating foreign people. I understand the philosophical points he makes, but it just creeps me out when he translates his abstract philosophy to the real world idea that we should use our military to subjugate other nations. It just comes off as sociopathic with shades of fascism, naziism, eugenics, etc.
***** He seems stuck on his own idea of a utopic society, using hypotheticals and thought experiments to explain everything instead of looking at what is actually happening in the real world. He wants to be a philosopher. That's fine, but he shouldn't think it's ok to project his abstractions onto the complexities of a real war and inform policy where lives are in the balance. I think what has been happening to him is that he's been caught overstepping his boundaries as an academic, a scientist, and a philosopher by reaching too far into the world of politics, cultural anthropology, and foreign policy. I think it's an example of how even smart people tend to double down on their flawed assertions when they're caught out of line, like in this episode of TAL- "The Incredible Rarity of Changing Your Mind." www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/555/the-incredible-rarity-of-changing-your-mind
Bobby Uttcrumbs i'm always creeped out by people who say they're creeped out. that's what the occupy nuts would do to people they didn't like entering zucotti park. you'd get surrounded by these robots chanting creep creep creep.
The middle east is split in two. Would you rather ally with Iran or the Saudis? The middle east players are pawns. The players are the usa, China, and Russia. It sucks but that is the reality.
Sam Harris is definitely one of the best Joe Rogan guests ever. every time he is on, the podcast is awesome. Everything he talks about is so fucking interesting. I just love listening to the guy talk. and I loved it when him and Bill Maher destroyed Ben Affleck with his retarded ass point of view
2 million people/12 years = 456 people died per day... fuck I think I side with harris it would be a bit ridiculous to assume the US directly killed this many people every 24hrs...
***** It also doesn't mean it's unrealistic bullshit. America has been over there for over a decade, take the blinders off and admit how fucked these phony wars on terror really are.
***** You don't have to kill all those people every day. If you kill 10,000 in one day, that is over 20 days you do not have to kill someone. Also, I'm betting that number includes those killed by other middle easterners. So, no US is not killing that many people on average a day, that does not mean that many have escaped death. Also, look at percentages, can any one rightly abide a 98% innocent mortality rate? Little more than a year ago, that was the official number on drone "success" rate, 2 percent killed them are "bad guys" the rest normal men women and children. I think that is more of the point in the whole situation.
steven loy right I'm not saying that the US has not killed a disgusting number of innocents I just think that you can't really lump in the deaths by other middle easterners into the figure without making it a misleading claim. I'm not really even defending the US that much i'm just saying numbers do matter, intentions do matter, however the lives of innocents matter the most out of any of these factors when judging our countries military action.
***** Ok if its from the 1990's it is a bit more realistic, I'm obviously just speculating here anyway. And as for Abby that is a reasonable mistake to make, although it is important to vet your claims and I think it makes her a little less credible to be honest.
Two of my favorite humans that grace this planet. As daunting the task of digesting a near three hour podcast would seem, I was left craving more. Well done good sirs.
2:04:30 2 years later: in Canada they now want to have a law in which those cartoons fall under the category of hate speech. & in denmark a man was charged with blasphemy for burning their cult book.
Chill Mystic Because it's fucking Sam Harris. The only other intellectual that I know of that can match his caliber is Noam Chomsky (to be fair probably Noam is on a higher level, but since they are not as many intellectuals on that level, we can put them in the same league).
+Hatchet D. "our understanding of self-cognition and the brain process is still in the middle-ages, scientifically speaking. We do not have any models to call upon to understand brain/thought behavior and as a result we cannot really make any firm claim about the viability of artificial intelligence." < --- in other words, Sam Harris and anyone else proclaiming to be a neuroscientist are the intellectual equivalent of cave men. He does however have a keen skill to impress idiots almost like preachers did 2000 years ago. Ironic?
I love how JR has a pro setup but the cameras are focused on the backdrops. damn, kinda like this conversation, focused enough...wish I didn’t notice this shit 😂 Hendrix is tack sharp🎯
Doc Bumble Yeah, he's the best fighter one on one. However, if he goes to real prison with all those upstanding citizens, such as the Aryan Brotherhood racist peckerwood fucks, he will be 6 on 1 shanked in all kindz of gorey shower action...but he will most likely get "celebrity prison" so he'll be ok. Probably.
Roman Izaboss When you are the face of a major company you have to act the part.also his legal issues could keep him busy for awhile, It would not be fair to the other fighters if they put the belt on hold so to speak.It's what they should have done much sooner with Dominick Cruzwhen he was out and hurt, they waited awhile before they took the title from him, and the contenders were beating the shit out of each other for the possibility for a title shot.And when the Interim title starts changing hands, it's time to bring the title back in the mix. It makes perfect sense to strip him of it.
Title was earned NOT given to him! Ban him for a year or something but to strip the title is saying the wrong thing! Winning the title had NOTHING to do with it. Hanging a carrot over his head......."dont fuck up or we will take it from you....doesnt matter that you won ....the title is OURS to take"
+Ziad Ayyas He is very logical, but I like to say that logic and reason are the pathway and not the destination. His arguments are very weak and mostly serve some political purpose, no?
+Ziad Ayyas Well, I just believe that when people say he is very good at reasoning and he is very logical .... I like to ask, what is he being logical or reasonable about? Oh, he is being logical and reasonable about tip-toeing around the prospect of killing a few billion Muslims? Well, if not, then what? AI? If you do a little research, you would understand that neuro-science is basically in its infancy and we are a long way from even discussing the possibility of something remotely close to AI. So, I guess, I dont really see what value his 3 hour discussion has .... at all ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
This argument is repeated over and over, that the west "has responsibility for Islamic terrorism and trouble in the middle east" Its bullshit. The Middle East is a mess because of the religion and culture, and the lack of regard for human rights. Anybody can check the history of Islamic terror and the radicalization of Islam. It started in the late 1960s-1970's ( the modern version) and got progressively worse. Groups like AlQaeda were formed in the 1980's, long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can look at pictures of Muslim cities like Cairo, Kabul, Kuwait City in the 1950's-early 1960's and there is not a hijab to be seen. Most people are wearing western style clothes. From the 1970's everything changed, a more rigid, extreme form of Islam started to spread around the world along with terrorist groups. Whatever the reasons for Islamic radicalization, it started long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The west may have sometimes not helped by interfering, and Iraq was probably a mistake, but the religious violence between Sunni and Shia and violence in the name of Islam, is 100% the fault of Muslims and their religious leaders. The only people that can keep relative order in these countries are brutal dictators, because thats all the people understand. The people are backward, (not all, but the majority) they dont respect human rights, democracy or equality, and given a chance, they all start killing each other, oppressing each other, and persecuting their minorities..Sam Harris is right, and making excuses for Muslims and their behaviour isnt going to help solve the problem. The vast majority of the recorded deaths in the Middle East is from Sunni and Shia killing each other.
>colonizes the entire Islamic region for more than a century. More than anything the Islamic and Arab world has seen in its 1400 year old history. >creates arbitrary borders done by the colonial leaders (France and Britain) and puts puppet dictatorial leaders in said colonies. >creates a JEWISH STATE right at the middle of the Islamic and the arab world in Palestine (repeating a certain event that happened 1000 years ago but I won't open that door). Sending Nuclear weapons and state-of-the-art military weapons to it while putting Military bases in the neighbors of said state. to ensure they don't do anything. >steals resources like its their fucking lands while enslaving the entire population of arab muslims, sending them to european wars like WWII as food for canons serving forcefully for the British/French to fight their wars. >butchers and fries the bodies of more than a 1.5 million Algerians in the sixties, more than a million in Iraq since the ninties, hundreds of thousands in Palestine etc etc.. all in the name of "Bringing peace, love and US democracy to the world". >cries "TEH EZLAMAIC INVASHUN OF MURICA" when the muslim population of America rises to 2.5%. "The Middle East is a mess because of the religion and culture, and the lack of regard for human rights." No, this region is a mess because you and the rest of your ilk never seem to stop sending a billion bombs and create chaos all over the place until we (the arabs) completely bow down to the European neocolonists and the Americans by completely leaving our religion and culture. The middle east was peaceful for more than 400 years during the Islamic Ottoman Caliphate. After it ended, and since European colonization and the rise of Israel, shit's been going down hill since, that says alot about who really is the reason of all this chaos. "The west may have sometimes not helped by interfering, and Iraq was probably a mistake" its not a mistake, its a CHOICE perpetrated by the US. there is no such thing as a "mistake" when you are talking about entire nations. When you put 50+ countries on a list to go to a "war" with a country that is already divided and nearly destroyed from another war with 100% support from muricans and friends, then butchering who knows how much and flatten it completely, sending it to chaos and the rest of the region as well WHILE CONTINUING MEDDLING IN THE SAME REGION that is hardly called a mistake. "The vast majority of the recorded deaths in the Middle East is from Sunni and Shia killing each other." rofl no, its from the western countries, thats a fact, stop turning a blind eye to the shit your ilk has done you blood-thirsty fuck. " You can look at pictures of Muslim cities like Cairo, Kabul, Kuwait City in the 1950's-early 1960's and there is not a hijab to be seen. Most people are wearing western style clothes." And we can thank our lovely British/French colonialism for that, nearly butchering our culture and shoving their laws in our countries. but if some muslims go to a european country, they go all like 'WE ARE GETTING INVADED, EUROPE IS DOOMED!!!". The Americans and their friends in Europe never cease to amaze me with their superiority complex, and how they have the right to go to war with any country and control any nation, killing MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS, shoving their cultures and laws in those nations, then crying terrorism when they fight back and victimizing themselves heavily.
Bman Chu>Oppression and conquer, yet there are some 30 million christians in the middle east still after 1400 years, while peaceful chrsitian euros eradicated ENTIRE RACES of human beings from four massive continents. ROFL try harder, also lol at you talking about conquer and oppression when you have a communist avatar, and everybody knows what the communists' history is.
Didnt Bill Hicks do a joke about how the USA government, during the period of the early 90s of the iraq war, sell """""Farming Equipment""""" to certain people/groups over in the middle east? Then he follows up by saying its a bullshit label on the books for what was really weapons. Made me laugh when Sam said that exact phrase. Look it up people, Joe should have pulled him up as soon as he uttered those words
Sorry Americans lump them all together. England and great Britain are the same place to us. We just don't care. Don't be so sensitive. Yes poor people always die disproportionately in war.
Honestly, Joe Rogan's podcast is such a great way for people to be exposed to different ways of thinking from a variety of fields of knowledge. Joe is a really progressive thinker with original and flexible ideas and I wish that there were more voices like his out there. This was a great interview!
The reality is that Joe is open to some idea that many are not open to but that doesn't make him free of being close minded.
i don't think he suggested that
Ohh ....settle down Redban.
It wasnt an interview XD
nicholas schoonbeck Everyones closeminded to an extent but the JRE is still good in that it showcases a broad range of interesting and accessible ideas ranging from very coolheaded logical people to provocateurs to eddie bravo.
ben stiller is so smart
hahaha
can never unsee this now while watching him
YES
Ben Affleck looks a little different....Ben Affleck are you sick?
dude, that's racist as fuck, that's definitely eminem
"Absent their ability to pull wealth out of the ground, they have no intellectual content. They don't produce anything of value that anyone wants."
This is just pure brilliance.
+HappyPantsTime das wayycissssss
+HappyPantsTime He so conveniently forgets that most of Europe's scholars were influenced by muslims. Cute.
+thugassassin that was almost 100 years ago.
The statement stands, and is 100% correct.
You're reading comprehension is woefully bad for you to make such a blatantly disingenuous comment.
+thugassassin he's talking about *now*, which is why the conversation is centred on oil, since they *currently* produce little else for profitable export.
Also, not that your criticism is particularly relevant to the quote that you're responding to, but he's never denied (and in fact has acknowledged) the academic contributions - specifically Algebra - of Muslim scholars to modern scientific understanding in The Moral Landscape, and various lectures and talks he's given on that topic (though, I think it was V.S. Ramachandran that corrected him that it was actually the Indians who were responsible for that).
+formdoggie5 Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe: From the 11th to 13th centuries, medieval Europe absorbed knowledge from Islamic civilization, < --- my reading comprehension is bad? LOL. I think, since humans have been around for greater than tens of thousands of years, that a few decades without huge intellectual contributions to the world is perfectly acceptable. Unless you think something like Uber counts as a contribution? We can revisit this discussion in 20 years when it is irrelevant.
You may not agree with what this man says, but at least he has the courage to speak his mind and the intellect to support his thoughts with facts.
Except for that part where he was shown a study proving his idea about the number of casualties incorrect and he continued to defend his incorrect idea because of his feelings.
MrEarlander He probably has flawed beliefs, everybody's wrong at some point in their lives. Keep in mind the difference in perspectives between someone who has studied something and someone who hasn't.
It seemed to be more an issue of pride than anything else since he was on the defensive about stuff Abby Martin said on a previous podcast. That was one of his main points of contention and admitting he was wrong on that didn't seem like something he could do.
I'm only 20 mins in. He does come off as stubborn at times but he represents a unique viewpoint that's not interfered by guilt.
ImDefinitelyLost Unlike anybody else who opposes his arguments. ANYBODY.
people being killed for cartoons then blaming them for getting killed for being insensitive to religion. Fuck that.
Do you think that it is ok to murder people for drawing satirical cartoons?
Honestly I am a bit confused about what your intentions are. Are you saying that all religions have extremists and that if some cartoonists are murdered then that is a thing that can happen because religions have crazy people in them and that if a group set out to satirise or deride a particular religion we should not be surprised if they are murdered? Have I understood your position? if not please feel free to clarify.
Every religion has it wackos.. But islams extreme side is magnified to a scale worse than all other religions combined.
***** You arguing that Christian theology is the same as Islam theology in terms of violence....maybe in the past. In modern times Christian doctrine is no longer the same, where as Islam has yet to transform in such a way. So yes, current interpretation of Islam doctrine is advocating violence for more than current Christian doctrine...Denying that is ridiculous
***** i think that harris' argument about what makes islam different (in his opinion) is that islam is predicated, founded and encourages jihad as part of its fundamental practice...
Skip to 21:45 if you want to miss all the same old jujitsu small talk and get into Sam on free will
Thanks man
cheers, dude
thank you
Kallie Bless!!
Holy hell we needed this lmao! Something about pulling up an old podcast that just makes my patience span less and less tolerable lol
That discussion near the end about AI was absolutely fascinating.
***** I want it to be Sam's next venture. In a way, it logically follows his work.
Chomsky is one of those “serious scientists” who doubts the fabulous A.I. developments and also seems to disagree on Harris's whole philosophical project (free will etc.). There's also many who disagree on the kind of propositions Kurzweil makes about the brain, so Harris's claims are just too confident. Chomsky worked on A.I. in MIT and the Unabomber targeted him.
I'm not sure if I'm thinking of the right guy, but Kurzweil's the one that pretty much said the brain isn't magic, right?
Because... well.. he'd be in the right zone; there's no real reason to believe there's anything astonishing about the brain apart from consciousness.
ConnorJohn Yes, and Kurzweil's actual theory of the mind has been criticized a lot. If the brain, or the processes we relate to it, are not astonishing, then why aren't we close to an artificial ant brain yet?
www.singularityweblog.com/noam-chomsky-the-singularity-is-science-fiction/
They're astonishing no doubt, but there's no reason to believe they're unreplicable, given how well we can replicate certain functions of the brain. I'm with anyone who thinks we will be able to replicate the brain sooner or later.
I mean, I'm probably with Chomsky, or more specifically Dennett, on this one, in regards to the criticisms against Kurzweil. But I gotta hand it to Kurzweil on ambition. I'm a bit of a futurist myself.
Everyone person in the world should hear sam harris speak.
Lol spell check messed that up, but no there is no worship going on. Just a great amount of respect for such a intelligent human being. From someone who is also a deep thinker and sees things similar it makes me feel the human race could learn alot from his words.
sorry i was referring more to his views on mindfulness/meditation and human conciousness
+DerrenBrown100 I have every right to insult Islam.
DerrenBrown100 Islam is garbage.
+miscbrah - LOL! well, the clown is certainly doing his best to make that happen here on youtube ;)
I love the length of these podcasts, and I'm always amazed how Sam never manages to be boring.
Seriously. Helps me get through the first half of my day at work. The one with NDT is my favorite so far.
watch the newer one, its 4 hours long
NDT is surprisingly uninteresting and uninformative. He tries to make science look good to attract viewers rather than educate people about it. I did enjoy him on JRP though.
There is the factor of fear to consider, but I definitely agree with what you said about 30 minutes being a good test.
it says something when Joe can have people who despise Sam on, its usually for an 1:30:00. I think in total Sam is at 12:00:00 by himself. Maybe Sam does know a lot, hmmm...
It's 3:29 AM out here in the UK, I have my finals Friday which I should be revising for. But fuck it, Sam's speaking.
You'll learn more by listening to Sam anyway ;)
At least I'm not alone!
WahdicalWeftist hateful keyboard warrior.you manage to come here every video an spew venom. You should fuck something. Then maybe you can come here and smile for a change
DerrenBrown100 Fuck Islam!
DerrenBrown100 what you deem as an insult is your opinion, and no matter how you regard what he says, it is for damn sure his right to say it.
His patience is incredible, he spends all his time correcting people who are desperate to misrepresent him in order to have the moral high ground. It's incredible the extent to which people are eager to assign inferior moral values to positions they don't understand. Sam Harris is wrong, so let's label him a bigot or war monger. Why couldn't he simply be wrong? (He isn't). People are always clamoring to think of themselves as not only correct but morally superior. I wonder why they have so much to prove.
Martin Grimes Many disagree with Harris, and yet have the humility to represent him accurately. Case and point; Maajid Nawaz, Daniel Dennett etc.
***** I don't like what you are doing.
Sam will make a statement about Iraq and middle eastern politics. He'll make a very specific and a very narrow statement about the influence of religion on rational thinking.
Then other people will criticize him with blanket statements and misrepresent his statement completely.
Sam will then correct them and say "I wasn't saying those things, I was explicitly saying XXXXX"
Then people, and it seems like you are doing this too, will say "well you are missing the point".
He can't be missing the point, he's the one who MADE the point lol. Sam will say something specific and people will try to still "win" the argument by shifting subjects and saying "Sam isn't thinking of the big picture". Imagine two scientists debating evolutionary theory and then one of them says "yeah, well your evolution theory doesn't explain how volcanoes work!"
That would be absolutely ridiculous, just like what it appears you are doing is ridiculous.
***** Yep, you then went on to call the occupation wrong. Something Harris never said was right, and in fact said was probably the wrong way to contain the issue of Sunni Shia violence. You admitted this.
And then you make a fallacy of incredulity by saying "I wish he would use that good judgement when he considers US activities in Iraq since 2003."
Maybe, even though that sentence doesn't make too much sense after the concessions you made, Harris *is* using his good judgement, and you might just not get it.
I think it might be the latter, because it usually is the latter. Don't take my word for it, read this www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy
Martin Grimes im sure many people are aware that these days the truth doesnt matter... all that matters is saying the right lie to achieve some effect or change some view and the aftermath doesnt matter
worrrrd!
I try not to agree with Sam too much and think critically, but it's hard man, guy's a walking logic machine.
Also, that AI talk towards the end blew my fucking nuts away.
If he were ever to debate Chomsky directly and at length, Harris would be intellectually and morally humbled with a quite beautiful savagery. Harris, undoubtedly bright though he is, pales in comparison to Chomsky, as most do.
It's gonna happen soon...
@@anarchostalinist4390 lmao at that name, good joke I guess
James Carr
Chomsky? Give Chomsky 5 hours to try and introduce a topic, and 5 minutes to put everyone to sleep.
@@jamescarr4662 which of his points do you think Chomsky would refute?
Sam talking about 'moral luck' reminded me of this
"In life you start out with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, the trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck."
It's nice to hear but it doesn't make a lot of sense 🤔
@@fabiotieri3155 Sure it does. It's like a new driver only having insurance on a car for another month. They should try to learn to drive as much as possible within that month. Take your risks while you have a safety net.
I rarely see criticism of Sam Harris on his actual points. It's usually an emotional reaction. His main objective seems to be approaching accurately the root of an issue. There's this sort of allergic reaction to nuance that is common to his objectors. I don't understand the unwillingness to hear what he's saying and infer what he's not. Chomsky personified this unwillingness in his interaction with Sam.
Your mom
The unwillingness comes from the fear that they will be wrong and all the shame that will come with it.
Chomsky I just dont get or see it unless I've watched him in the wrong settings only on specific subjects
Someone tried telling me today that Cenk Uygur Is more intelligent than Sam. I haven't laughed that hard in quite some time.
He is though. At least about politics.
Na dawg, maybe about dingleberries but...def not politics or anything of substance.
Then again dingleberries are no laughing matter.
Sounding like you know what you're talking about, which is what Cenk is good at, and actually being intelligent, are vastly different things. Cenk is an articulate idiot.
+Matt Connell I would strongly disagree with you there friend
Sam Harris uses the English language like a wizard ... Powerful Sam Harris !!!!
matello18 Like... yeah right. Have you Like... heard of Charles C. Johnson. He's like...
matello18
The worlds foremost expert on language, Chomsky, thinks very little of Harris, if you think his words are magical you need to increase your technical understanding of language. see Clarke's 3rd law.
nicholas jenness I don't think he meant Sam Harris is literally casting spells.
Sinnessa
oh but I did, in a McKennaesque kind of way.
Zach Shaver Yer imperialism tends to be a wedge.
I never liked Ben Stiller but this video changed my mind
That's not Ben Stiller. I think it's his son or something..
Joe Rogan foresaw McGregor's downfall against an elite wrestler 4 years ago
yeah he knows what he's taliking about
true
It's a revolving door really... Dominant striker knocks everybody out eventually runs into dominant wrestler gets ground and pounded then said dominant wrestler is eventually knocked out by new dominant Striker.... Rinse and repeat
Somebody will eventually knock out khabib
Brianna Irby
Never!
Arms makes up about $26 billion if anyone was curious
Cooper Carr The total US exports amount to about 1.3 trillion.People like Abby Martin speak with their ass.
charlesvan13 Oh yea for sure she just made stuff up. You can see how little of a journalist she is. I just wanted to put those numbers out there cause they never googled it.
Cooper Carr That's actually a surprisingly low number. The US has high tech manufacturers like Lochheed Martin and McDonald Douglas working in military and aerospace. But it's not like selling F35s to Japan and Australia is arming despots.
The USSR was the primary supplier of Saddam Hussein, with France coming second. But people like Martin just spew conspiracy theories, and facts don't matter.
Cooper Carr though i agree with you that she is full of shit. I think most (not all) journalist are full of shit and are usually trying to be lightning rods for attention. I really try to not listen to any news sites anymore and try to get my info from single trustable people. Dan carlin for example, tho he doesnt cover everything.
battlehardened37 Actual news papers have fact checking departments, and reporters get reprimanded for lying. Rolling Stone has suffered blowback for publishing misinformation, without fact checking. Recall, in 2004 Dan Rather got in trouble for sticking to a story about G Bush's air national guard service which turned out to be wrong--the memo turned out to be written on MS Word. Sources like RT and Salon.com are not news sources. There is no fact checking or accountability.
Sam Harris and Joe Rogan. Awesome combo, especially since Sam also does *BJJ training.
*My apologies for writing 'MMA' earlier. I meant BJJ training, which Harris has talked about in his own podcasts. I didn't mean to imply that he was a fighter.
+Cam D. Nesbitt lol Sam is old. I think he's a fan, but he's no MMA fighter.
+77Avadon77 he does MMA ... end of sentence dont add to it and then claim it's incorrect. i could say
77avadon77 thinks sam is old and sexy but he'd not want him to fuck him, but he'd be wrong because sam isn't gay ... stupid isn't it ?
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Baffled!! What the fuck are you talking about.Show me where Sam is doing MMA? At best he had a little martial arts training in his youth. Hardly mixed, not professional and it was so long ago as to not even be relevant. Like I said, he's NO MMA FIGHTER. Fucking deal with it. What I said was factual and poignant.
You on the other hand are going full sjw fucktard. Just stop.
+77Avadon77 Sam "does MMA" in that he trains in BJJ now. He's not a pro, and doesn't intend to be a pro or represent himself as one.
ASimoneau
Really show me where he does that?
So sick of the left calling Harris a bigoted, racist, islamaphobe. Regardless if you agree or disagree, Sam articulates an extremely logical, open minded and fact driven view on many difficult subjects. His positions are generally moderate, very well reasoned and compassionate in the utilitarian sense. His ideas are so miss-interpreted by his critics that it's maddening.
Those are the politically correct SJWs. But I agree. The sad part is, Sam Harris is on the Left. Kind of hilarious.
@@Xpistos510 whats so funny is the only people who defend Sams views with such excess are the people who have never examined Sams views there is an incredible amount of gray area as Sam prefaced all of his anti islamic views as literally ignoring history to agree with Sam as even Sam stats it you need to ignore history i know sayimg you super woke against the authoritain left is why you support trump and war and Republicans and banks and Google and Facebook unless you can create some conspiracy about big business not like bad press maoes them SJWs
Jacob Serrano It’s the ‘regressive left’ - they take being a Leftie to a whole new extreme! Tolerant to the point of intolerance. Weird 😕
The #1 reason I left the left,their deliberate unwillingness to accept Islam for what it really is.
@@MrTattyK They reject their parents' intolerance and insert their own.
remember when bill burr got mad at redban? lolol i do, it was funny lol
SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach worst/best moment of JRE ever
armin38822 Im on the internet lol!
SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach what time in that podcast? link to that part?
SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach which one, what part?
SuperDeluxeAnuzBleach The Stitcher argument?
Get Abby and Sam on the same show Joe. I know you read my comments so make it happen :)
We paid for blood...!!!!!
+Mick Corcoran What do you think that would actually accomplish? None of them actually know what's going on in the middle east. They are both authorities on nothing.
I will authority you in a minute ;-)
Almost every podcast everywhere accomplish's nothing we just want to see it, plus I want to see Abby back up some of the shit she says when scrutinized.
+Mick Corcoran My point is that I would just like to find someone who knows what is actually happening over there over the past 50+ years or w/e .... A reasonable request? probably not.
+Mick Corcoran I dated this Iranian chick for a while and her grandma lived in San Mateo CA in richie-rich-ville and she told me stories about how the Sha or w/e was ousted and her grandma was part of his royal family/army. They had to transfer all of their wealth into gold and carpets and shit to bring it over cause the money was worthless I think. So i dunno, I just find the "history" fascinating ... whatever version that may be.
Does anyone actually think Americans have killed more Iraqi's than Iraqi's? You would need to get your head checked.
+Chris Thompson
many self-loating lefties have to believe that, otherwise their false narratives collapse around them
***** The "figures for drone strikes" are not nearly as bad as you think.
*****
Have you seen how many bombs they "dropped" on themselves, in crowded marketplaces, schools, police stations, mosques, etc. etc., gtfo of here with your ignorant naive bullshit son...
+Will Mou no, it isn't. Most people who have died in Iraq died as a result of the civil war.
***** Its mostly sectarian violence man. Sunni's hate Shia's. Always have, always will. Their war started when Muhammed's crew was still alive.
Sam Harris is an MMA fan........Just when I thought he couldn't be any more badass
Nun Ya And from what I hear, he's fucking good.
Black belt in BJJ
This man is the definition of cool!
Diego Carson Do they talk about jon jones?
Mrmyagi132 pretty much the first 45 mins
The best guest.
"Islamophobia" is a bullshit word and concept. Phobia implies an irrational fear, there is nothing irrational about the fear of Islam.
+James Purvis No, phobos in Greek means simply "fear"; phobia = state of fear... that's all, no other bs :)
mmm... I tried to find a definition to counter you, but the best I could get was "typically disproportional to the actual danger posed". Which isn't quite the same as what I've said. I stand corrected.
James Purvis Ok. Also about the Islamophobia: I think we should change the definition of the word: it's not a phobia of normal average peacefully living people who happen to be Muslims because of their culture and upringing, for me Islamophobia means a fear of that ideology itself: not the people, but the ideas they are victims of. So that's my position.
+James Purvis
yep, its like calling someone "Naziphobic" before 1939
It implies racism towards muslims. You would think that its not a fucking race, but lefties are too deep in chomsky asshole to understand that simple fact.
ben stiller is smart
+Gre Wibisono Yeah, I agree completely. (Except for the differences in voice and temperament), I was SURE I was seeing Ben Stiller's more-intellectual twin here. Good call!
Haha! I hadn't heard that. Too funny. Yeah. Sam's da MAN. Thanks, Dude
We need a Sam Harris biopic with Ben as Sam
He literally looks nothing like ben stiller
He probably went to the center for kids who cant read good and want to learn how to do other stuff good too
To anyone who says Sam Harris talks about Islam too much, need I remind
you that it is a fastest growing religion, the fastest spreading
religion, and that means if a reformation is possible, all those factors
are going to mean a SERIOUS uphill battle. If anything, the people
criticizing Sam should be talking about Islam more.
Right. Most people don't seem to understand the danger.
Islam isn't the fastest growing religion its in decline that's why they are kicking off.
Olive Pip when they a have an average of 8 kids you know your partly wrong but I agree the younger generation that the is becoming less involved with prayer maybe causing this
I listen to Sam Harris' meditation videos and now regularly wake up having robbed a bank and donated to Sam's podcasts.
Think about that 2 million number for a minute. In 13 years of war, you would have to kill at least 421 innocent civilians, every single day, Monday through Sunday, for 4,745 days to reach a death toll of 2 million. Doesn't that sound somewhat illogical
smn475 Anf if 2 million died because of the USA how many must have died in the sectarian infighting?
smn475 The war started in in 2003, but what the show forgets is that Iraq was under sanctions since 1990. There was deaths as a result of sanctions before 2003 had even started. So the count is not from 2003-2014. the figures comes from 1990-2012. at least that's my understanding. Just google Iraqi deaths as a result of Sanctions, the figures seem pretty high.
smn475 The 2 million number is just an upper estimate. the lower end is 1.3 million, and that's for both Iraq and Afghanistan. The study doesn't claim pure responsibility for the US, it just shows how much died in the war as a result of extraneous violence. If you use the 1.3 figure and divide it by 2 for each country, then each war has 137 or so, violent deaths per day. This seems like a reasonable estimate, in a war. If you keep in mind that this is counting drone strikes and other operations in other countries its totally plausible. How much of those are fighting the US and how much is inner fighting is another issue.
Note that the 1.3-2 million figure is for the entire war on terror, so it counts Iraq, Afghanistan , all the drone strikes and all the operations conducted under the banner of the war on terror.
boeos The sanctions deaths are from 1990 to 2003, and they are separate. Most estimates puts it around 500,000 more or less. The war in Iraq itself starting in 2003, is between 150,000 and a million. If you count only combatants death, its something around 200,000, if you add indirect deaths as a result of the war (like hunger, disease..etc) , which are in addition to the natural death rate, its around between 5 or 6 hundred thousand.
www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/19/iraq
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/
The fact that Harris just sort of cavalierly dismisses all these studies and estimates as politicized or not kosher enough, is quite shocking. There seems to be a consensus among mainstream statisticians and demographers that these numbers are consistent.
Abby just sees 2 million deaths and thinks 'oh yea the US killed every single one of those people'. Not only is the 2 million guesstimate completely wrong, but her small minded conclusion that all of those deaths were at the hands of the US is unbelievably naive. Not a single thought goes to the sectarian violence that is blatant in the news every fucking day. She either choses to ignore this or is completely stupid. Either way, she's naive but thinks she's incredibly smart, it's unbearable.
i saw the post of this video on Instagram and instantly got on youtube lol just that kind of night
Same bruh😂😂😟
Dylan Willis got my weed for the podcast. an my popcorn for the comments ;)
I'm fucking dankrupt but Joe rogan is the shit while sober anyway
"dankrupt" XD lmao
When Joe and Sam are talking, I feel like I'm in the room.
The problem with "intention" is that there is no way to gauge it with certainty. You can always claim your actions had good intentions while secretly planning for destruction. This ideology separates culpability from causation and creates an environment of free reign.
if the US killed 1.3m people over 10 years that's more than 355 people killed per day. Not to be insensitive but that's some seriously busy soldiers.
+Devhi P C'mon bro. Using soldiers is only one of about a million ways to kill a group of people who cant grow food in sand.
What does the inability to grow food in sand have to do with death due to military action? I'm not being facetious, I am just genuinely curious as to your logic
+Devhi P Not logic, hyperbole -- Of course you dont seriously mean that soldiers piloting drones killing women and children is a time-consuming endeavor.
My point was simply the logistics of killing an average of 355 people a day every day for ten years, I was just suggesting that that's a lot to be blaming entirely on america
+Devhi P What an original point! Haven't heard that one before
Sam has solid logic. he is a really fair person.
Sal Macias lol he’s a nerd that never got pussie or never was popular now he has followers everywhere he’s a narcissist big time and jus so intelligent he knows how to hide it he is a mad scientist and he’s working for the devil 👿 trust me
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Devil? Yeah, you’d be the sort of person to believe in a devil.
You’ve shown yourself to be an utter imbecile.
Well done.
Taqifsha Nanen
Oh no, you’re a theist.
The prosecution rests.
Man... Joe Rogan really does not understand philosophical discussion.
Sam Harris used the example of the friend who accidentally stabs you in the kitchen simply to show that intentions mater... then Joe objected and called that a disingenuous comparison?
He was not comparing an accidental stabbing to a drone strikes...he was outlining a concept at it's most fundamental level as a way to form a basis for his subsequent comments/arguments.
That is how philosophical discussion works.
Burial Yes, but the philosophical argument was disingenious and acted as nothing but a straw man compared to what was discussed. I agree that had Joe not interrupted, Sam may well have layed out the moral differences being the shadow of each intention reflected upon the acts themselves.
Joe Rogan tried to play the intellectual when Sam is on, but the truth is he can't live with him and doesn't even realise he's being made to sound stupid.
Joe Rogan avoids making predictions, maybe because he is a commentator.
He definitely stays diplomatic working for UFC.
AQGOAT24 or maybe because hes not a time traveling wizard
*****
So you now have to be a "time travelling wizard" to say "hey, I think X is gonna win on Saturday" ?
***** yes! You didn't get the memo?!?!
*****
damn, is Google/youtube hiding messages from me again ?
The "perfect weapon" analogy was brilliant. Absolutely dead-on brilliant.
It perfectly describes the the problem with the Greenwald's, Martin's and Chomsky's of the world.
5:27 Joe Rogan predicting Khabib win over Connor 3 years earlier
Yeah I got that,had to check the date on this to see when it was he called it right though saying he hadn't fought a wrestler yet
i like how joe challenges people
Matthew Belnavis I feel like its crucial to an intellectual discussion to play devil's advocate for a bit to see what the other side will say. Alot of the time Sam reacted to counter points or even evidence to the contrary of what he was saying with oh that website is trash etc etc....It's fairly see-through in my opinion
+Matthew Belnavis
Too bad Joe didn't challenge Abby on anything. I'm not sure if it's a gender thing or maybe he was just in a different mood. Most of the time Joe tries to avoid disagreement though. One podcast he's supportive of police and ridiculing social justice warriors, the next he's pretending to be one.
Dj13e36 Hahaha...That description of Joe is s on point. I've noticed the same exact thing.
Joe is a true social chameleon who have a really finely calibrated ability to see where he can push it or where he has to back down not in order not creating a toxic environment for a conversation. It can look inconsistent or even intellectually dishonest but it what makes this podcast work.
Dan Unknow Well yea but the alternative is joe calls out bullshit aggressively and trashes his guest who is then humiliated in front of millions.
Then anyone with a controversial point of view or line of work or whatever would be scared of getting on the podcast.
I feel like every time I listen to Sam Harris speak, it doubles as a vocabulary lesson. I'm constantly having to pause the video and look up words that I've never heard of, that he uses so effortlessly.
+SpamTheManChan This is what happens when you don't speak a 2nd language and have a reasonably high verbal IQ.
I'm pretty sure his mathematical and visuospatial IQ is shit though. lol
+SpamTheManChan It also triples as a lesson on how NOT to attract women
+ElectricQualia why do you think that?
ku lu Knowing 2 languages decreases the amount of total vocabulary you can have for each language as shown by research. So knowing one language is better.
Harris obviously is verbally intelligent, his command on English is quite solid.
Harris makes horrible logical arguments, so It's safe to say he has low or average Math and Logical IQ.
+ElectricQualia It's safe to say that he has low or average "Math and Logical IQ", because you've decided his logical arguments are "horrible"? That sounds like a pretty poor logical argument itself.
this is such a stark contrast to the interview with cenk
Yeah cenk destroyed him lol
Surely that's not what you actually think?
ikr, Cenk is an intellectual beast compared to this no nothing Islamophobe Harris.
I hope Chomsky and Harris end up debating soon. I would love to see Chomsky win.
zombiesingularity Chomsky doesn't have much time to waste on garbage.
Smiling Badger are you Muslim?
MrBordello2 No. White sis male atheist. You?
zombiesingularity On foreign policy Chomsky is far more nuanced and advanced in his analysis than Harris.
What do you mean?
Goddamn joe gets so bogged down on certain details
Sam Harris speaking with Joe Rogan.
BennyOcean 1:42:23 slavery/abrahamic religions
DerrenBrown100 Pretty sure it does.
And you're free to criticise those that criticise Islam. That's the deal.
DerrenBrown100 One does not need any right to critisize bullshit.
DerrenBrown100 Man, you are a real mo-mo....
DerrenBrown100 Allah aukbar!!!
Is it still taboo to drop a warm loaf on the Qur'an?
MikeRoePhonicsMusic If it please you, but what does it accomplish anything other than being antagonistic?
MikeRoePhonicsMusic It's already full of shit, it doesn't need any more.
jlawrence Economic sanctions for violating human rights...
+god is pretend - "human rights" for BLOGGERS? lol, start an NGO, buddy. uncle sammy has more important things to worry about.
It would be cool to have a toilet that was Mohammed. Like bottom front would have a fake beard. The eyes would be on the top front. It would be tan olive colored. The lid and rim would be the mouth. So you would dump and piss in that pedo warlords mouth everytime. Also print a Qur'an on TP lol
One of the best JRE's, IMO
Sam Harris is so goddamn calm. My goal is to be this calm in LEAST 5 years.
Calm down you have another 5 years to try again.
Bill, Sam, and Milo. All pull in huge views. Love these interviews. Subbed.
A show this long should have like....time marks for different topics.
I'm from the future, and all I can say is that there are fans who make time stamps for lazy bastards like us.
just the whole thing
Everyday Astronaut makes time stamps like that. Very helpful.
Another great one with Sam Harris. Thanks guys!
You're welcome!
2 million/12 years = 457 dead per day. Not completely unimaginable, but Pinker and Harris are careful scientific dudes. Abby Martin ain't no scientist. Harris isn't interested in being on the cool team. He's primarily concerned with knowing the truth.
Lefties are always better than right wingers overall, because they have noble intentions of defending the underdog. Right wingers like the Koch brothers are just pure evil. However sticking up for a perceived underdog shouldn't trump a careful and nuanced attempt to know the truth.
Yeah but they looked up a new study from a reputable group ON the podcast that proved Harris wrong.
MrEarlander Good scientists spend a lot of time designing and critiquing experiments/studies to ensure they are thoroughly representative of the truth. The methodology used to conduct the 2 million dead study might be bullet proof, or it might be suspect. I'm completely open minded and I'm looking into it right now. It's a big gap between 200k and 2 mill.
And I assume you'll be getting back to me with your thoughts.
greengenes Well said.
greengenesThe problem is they keep looking at 2003, 2003 is when the War started in Iraq, what they forget is Iraq was under sanctions prior to that from 1990, it was estimated that over 1 million+ Iraqis died as a result of those Sanctions, the numbers vary as high as 3.3 million including the war and post violence as a result of the war (2012). its not 2003 - 2014, its figures from 1990-2012, Harris is wrong it's in the atleast 1million+. What gets me is how he refers to Abbi as a bullet hose of bullshit, that is just a flippant response to someone who frankly deserves so much more. I like Harris on many things, but my opinion of him on in regards to the Iraq war and drones just goes down and down. His later comment saying Abbi would have to justfy staying in Iraq instead of leaving, I think Abbis position would be we should of never gone into Iraq in the first place.
You can just google about deaths in Iraq as a result of sanctions and get a whole variety of pages, wiki etc.
This interview irritates me. Joe goes at Sam 100x's harder than he would ever dream of going at Abby. Abby can shovel load after load of bull shit on Joe's forehead and he treats her like she's his little sister. I don't know if Joe is just uncomfortable of dealing with women equally or maybe it's just the girls he wants to fuck. Either way, I find it weak that he refuses to question anything Abby says yet goes so hard at Sam just because Sam doesn't like Joe's little leftist sister. I don't think Joe liked how Sam gave him that back handed compliment at the begining either. "Drinking from a fire hose of bull shit". Hilarious!
+Dj13e36 I think you might be a closet homosexual
+justin vaughn I think you may be to simple to articulate a coherent thought.
+SpicyAfterbirth I disagree. I like Abby Martin and yes, you may be correct that she may at times leave herself exposed to criticism on which Joe could easily try to capitalize. I respect that much more than the sociopath Sam Harris who is simply (and you know, credit to him for being 'so intelligent') regurgitating pre-scripted bullshit that he has said 100x over.
justin vaughn Oh yeah, he's a "sociopath" because he denounces Islam for what it is. I'd like to see Abby Martin go to Sudan or Saudi Arabia for a couple of days with her pious Liberalism. See where it gets her. What's this nonsense about "pre-scripted" bullshit. NO ONE is speaking out about these things quite like Sam is, and godspeed to him the magnificent son of a bitch. Abby's just another 9/11 truther hypocrite. She's goddamn Cenk Uygur Status, except she's easily a 10
+SpicyAfterbirth Nah, he's a sociopath because he's a sociopath.
This guy is one of the best guests on this show, he really knows what he is talking about.
Hahaha being high and listening to Sam Harris describe brain damage from small bumps on the head and being extremely paranoid on whether or not I am losing grip on my mental health 😂
Joe and Sam, always worthy of a rewatch
I finally saw Sam Harris get somewhat compromised.
Drone strikes. Not on their use, but on their affects.
Sam may be an intellectual powerhouse, but you gotta be wrong about something at *some point.*
I know that, I'm just realizing that Sam was wrong for once.
All he was saying was there is an acceptable level of collateral damage for good intentions(killing terrorist), and he backed that claim by saying we comfortably accept 30k deaths per year just for the sake of driving being fun, its not really right or wrong
I just finished watching that segment, and I was wrong.
God damn it. He needs to be wrong for once.
(I've been watching it periodically throughout the day)
ConnorJohn He wasn't completely accurate with his car analogy, though. People don't drive over 5 mph "just for fun". We drive to transport ourselves from one place to another. If everyone drove 5 mph, there would be no need for cars, as humans can walk at half that speed and run/jog faster than that speed. We could ride bicycles or horses if we wanted to go faster... but then we would be putting ourselves at risk, which would somewhat negate the whole safely aspect of slowing down. We would also need to work as closely as possible to where we live and that isn't always feasible (if you live 10 miles from where you work, you are talking a minimum of a 4 hour daily commute by car). I'm a big Sam Harris fan... but I think he could have presented a better example than comparing drone strikes to driving over 5 mph.
I agree with Sam on a lot but regarding the Iraq war...
The problem Sam is that we knew this would happen, we knew these countries would be destabilized. We knew from Germany and Japan what you need to do if you want to successfully depose a regime.... We spent years planning those occupations, and the Iraq invasion began less than 2 months after the planning began (people didn't even have desks and computers for most of that time). It's a joke, the Bush administration knew the occupation would be a shit show, they wanted it to be a shit show/didn't care. That doesn't fit with the 'bringing freedom' narrative and IMHO it's immoral to destabilize a nation and walk away.
+Chris D Sam Harris spoke out against the war, even when the rest of the country was gung-ho to engage. He mentions here that he never supported the war kind of as a throw-away line, but at the time, when it was vastly unpopular to do so, he spoke very clearly against it. When he speaks about it now, he will often point out that he understood the reasons for wanting to invade (depose Hussein, weaken Ba'athists) and that's often confused with him supporting it, which he did not.
sevlevboss I don't doubt it, it's just that when he was talking to Joe he made it seem like occupation was such a shit show because Islam is a shit show, when I think that could have been controlled for had the goal ever been humanitarian. Again I agree with most of what he says, it's that on this particular point I think he downplayed the Bush administrations negligence in order to play up Islam's sectarian fighting.
Islams dogma is harsh and well suited to the ancient desert. It needs a reformation to exist in the modern world but at the same time constant de-stabilization, exploitation, proxy war... is making life tougher for these people, it is creating enemies for these people to fight and as such that hard line, cutthroat, desert ideology becomes more and more useful and appealing. It's a feedback loop.
+Chris D People forget motivation when it comes to the intent vs outcome debate. People should judge the violent act by the motivation of the actor. What motivation did Dick Cheney have to initiate the 2nd Iraq War? What motivation does the Palestinian suicide bomber have (getting into heaven is *also* a factor)? The answer is usually multifaceted.
Harris is totally wrong about Chomsky not considering intent, and he simply hasn't read most of Chomsky's material. Noam Chomsky is impeccable about his research and objectivity. Many of the criticism people have of Chomsky is attributed by slivers of his material.
Also, Sam Harris is highly influenced by Alan Dershowitz. essentially a Law professor who represents (and is highly biased for) Israel. I believe Sam Harris is a great intellectual and an important voice, but he can't deny his own ideological tribalism (I don't really blame him). The best thing Sam Harris can do is emphasize that he wants to help Muslims by them disassociating from Islam.
+William Faulkner Even if everything you say is true , the implication that we should never intervene in muslim societies is also a faulty one . We can argue about the past but what is more important and gets missed here is how can we help people there and take out the Jihadis as they have made the lives of moderate people and women hell , with as less casualties as possible .
As long as we give Islam a pass these groups will have a stranglehold on their culture. that's where chomsky and other liberals fail in my opinion .
the chikmiester
I agree that we need to use our military might smartly, and to be a model nation (we need to do a lot better). As an agnostic-Atheist Afghan American, I actually hope the U.S. continues to operate in Afghanistan and proves to the World that we can truly help by opening markets and emphasizing human rights. Thankfully a Strategic Partnership Agreement has been signed between Afghanistan and the U.S...making Afghanistan a major non-NATO ally (like Israel, Korea, Japan, etc). The U.S. has a 10 year plan now to create a viable Afghan military w/ heavy U.S. aid. Afghanistan is getting 6 billion usd a year in military aid from Afghanistan..like Israel gets 3 billion usd. I hope one day Afghanistan drops the Islamic Republic part, but I understand it now. Imagine all those Afghan women and girls who like to skateboard etc, going back to the Taliban. We can't allow that to happen.
Chomsky's ideals and criticisms are valid, but not pragmatic because not everyone is as intelligent and as ethical as Noam Chomsky.
Sam "The Faith Hindering" Harris. Always a pleasure to catch your discussions.
UFC 189.........got my ticket..........way too excited!
Sam Harris and Joe Rogan are my heroes... Christopher Hitchens too.... and Richad Dawkings... and Lawrence Krauss
Joe perfectly ran this podcast, asked the questions, but let sam speak, love it!
If the UFC goes gloveless. Old school martial arts are gonna make a huge comeback
Yeah because they were so successful when the UFC WAS gloveless......
Sam's patience is truly admirable.
I started out disliking Sam but then I found myself appreciating his depth of thought more and more as the show went on. I also have a growing appreciation for Joe as well.
Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of Rush, an unbelievable career in music, great guys, great interviewees. PLEASE Joe.
This guy creeps me the fuck out. He reminds me of John du Pont. He's so monotone and nonchalant about his idealist justification of war and subjugating foreign people. I understand the philosophical points he makes, but it just creeps me out when he translates his abstract philosophy to the real world idea that we should use our military to subjugate other nations. It just comes off as sociopathic with shades of fascism, naziism, eugenics, etc.
***** He seems stuck on his own idea of a utopic society, using hypotheticals and thought experiments to explain everything instead of looking at what is actually happening in the real world. He wants to be a philosopher. That's fine, but he shouldn't think it's ok to project his abstractions onto the complexities of a real war and inform policy where lives are in the balance. I think what has been happening to him is that he's been caught overstepping his boundaries as an academic, a scientist, and a philosopher by reaching too far into the world of politics, cultural anthropology, and foreign policy. I think it's an example of how even smart people tend to double down on their flawed assertions when they're caught out of line, like in this episode of TAL- "The Incredible Rarity of Changing Your Mind." www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/555/the-incredible-rarity-of-changing-your-mind
DerrenBrown100 lol wut?
DerrenBrown100 Lmao. These idiots wont get it
Bobby Uttcrumbs i'm always creeped out by people who say they're creeped out. that's what the occupy nuts would do to people they didn't like entering zucotti park. you'd get surrounded by these robots chanting creep creep creep.
Anang M Oh wow, then I guess in this case you are creeping yourself out!
the us friendship with saudi arabia is unacceptable
The middle east is split in two. Would you rather ally with Iran or the Saudis? The middle east players are pawns. The players are the usa, China, and Russia.
It sucks but that is the reality.
Sam is always the most powerful guy in the room. He never loses his temper or engages in hyperbole.
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I could watch this multiple times. Sam Harris is a great man. Joe is awesome too!
Sam Harris is definitely one of the best Joe Rogan guests ever. every time he is on, the podcast is awesome. Everything he talks about is so fucking interesting. I just love listening to the guy talk. and I loved it when him and Bill Maher destroyed Ben Affleck with his retarded ass point of view
Great conversation, thank you.
Sam Harris might be the smartest man alive
Agreed
2 million people/12 years = 456 people died per day... fuck I think I side with harris it would be a bit ridiculous to assume the US directly killed this many people every 24hrs...
***** It's not unrealistic at all, you're living in a world of delusion.
***** It also doesn't mean it's unrealistic bullshit. America has been over there for over a decade, take the blinders off and admit how fucked these phony wars on terror really are.
***** You don't have to kill all those people every day. If you kill 10,000 in one day, that is over 20 days you do not have to kill someone. Also, I'm betting that number includes those killed by other middle easterners. So, no US is not killing that many people on average a day, that does not mean that many have escaped death. Also, look at percentages, can any one rightly abide a 98% innocent mortality rate? Little more than a year ago, that was the official number on drone "success" rate, 2 percent killed them are "bad guys" the rest normal men women and children. I think that is more of the point in the whole situation.
steven loy right I'm not saying that the US has not killed a disgusting number of innocents I just think that you can't really lump in the deaths by other middle easterners into the figure without making it a misleading claim. I'm not really even defending the US that much i'm just saying numbers do matter, intentions do matter, however the lives of innocents matter the most out of any of these factors when judging our countries military action.
***** Ok if its from the 1990's it is a bit more realistic, I'm obviously just speculating here anyway. And as for Abby that is a reasonable mistake to make, although it is important to vet your claims and I think it makes her a little less credible to be honest.
Two of my favorite humans that grace this planet. As daunting the task of digesting a near three hour podcast would seem, I was left craving more. Well done good sirs.
I am an ex-muslim. I totally agree with Sam Harris on his analysis of Islam, except Iraq.
+Maiwand Banayee What disagreement do you have on Iraq? And why?
started out slow. Ended really fascinating.
Let's say we get off oil today, how long would it take for the middle-east to run out of money ?
I had no idea Ben Stiller was capable of such in-depth thought
2:04:30 2 years later: in Canada they now want to have a law in which those cartoons fall under the category of hate speech.
& in denmark a man was charged with blasphemy for burning their cult book.
Joe rogans podcasts are the best because he listens!
Why is everyone in the comments so excited by Sam Harris?
Chill Mystic Because it's fucking Sam Harris. The only other intellectual that I know of that can match his caliber is Noam Chomsky (to be fair probably Noam is on a higher level, but since they are not as many intellectuals on that level, we can put them in the same league).
Jon Wise thanks for the answer buddy, I was curious
Chill Mystic Because eloquent and intelligent people, with strong opinions attract weird cult followings who take everything they say as law.
Tommy Payne well I know that lol
Because Bigotry loves company...
Best Podcast ever. This was amazing to listen to. The AI conversation has me good and scared but it was nice to see the lighthearted side of Sam.
+Hatchet D. "our understanding of self-cognition and the brain process is still in the middle-ages, scientifically speaking. We do not have any models to call upon to understand brain/thought behavior and as a result we cannot really make any firm claim about the viability of artificial intelligence." < --- in other words, Sam Harris and anyone else proclaiming to be a neuroscientist are the intellectual equivalent of cave men. He does however have a keen skill to impress idiots almost like preachers did 2000 years ago. Ironic?
+thugassassin Are you a troll or really that stupid?
2CSST2
Don't feed him
I love how JR has a pro setup but the cameras are focused on the backdrops. damn, kinda like this conversation, focused enough...wish I didn’t notice this shit 😂 Hendrix is tack sharp🎯
Damon yep...I just noticed it now...thanks...lol
I'd like to see more serious guests like Sam Harris on Rogan's podcast. A good place to start would be Harris' friend, Steven Pinker.
I will say it again: get pinker on the podcast.
Glad you mentioned Pat Tillman, people need to know.
Hope Jon Jones doesn't get raped in prison where an actual rape culture exists...
Jah Rastafari He's the best fighter on the planet, i doubt anyone's gonna fuck with him.
Doc Bumble Yeah, he's the best fighter one on one. However, if he goes to real prison with all those upstanding citizens, such as the Aryan Brotherhood racist peckerwood fucks, he will be 6 on 1 shanked in all kindz of gorey shower action...but he will most likely get "celebrity prison" so he'll be ok. Probably.
Jah Rastafari He'sgot money.......probation @ best! Stripping his title is fucked up! One thing has nothing to do with the other. UFC EPIC FAIL!
Roman Izaboss When you are the face of a major company you have to act the part.also his legal issues could keep him busy for awhile, It would not be fair to the other fighters if they put the belt on hold so to speak.It's what they should have done much sooner with Dominick Cruzwhen he was out and hurt, they waited awhile before they took the title from him, and the contenders were beating the shit out of each other for the possibility for a title shot.And when the Interim title starts changing hands, it's time to bring the title back in the mix. It makes perfect sense to strip him of it.
Title was earned NOT given to him! Ban him for a year or something but to strip the title is saying the wrong thing! Winning the title had NOTHING to do with it. Hanging a carrot over his head......."dont fuck up or we will take it from you....doesnt matter that you won ....the title is OURS to take"
Sam Harris spewing intellectual porn as usual. No homo, but the guy constantly demonstrates his unyielding ability to reason...
+Ziad Ayyas He is very logical, but I like to say that logic and reason are the pathway and not the destination. His arguments are very weak and mostly serve some political purpose, no?
+thugassassin no I don't think so. Care to elaborate?
+Ziad Ayyas Well, I just believe that when people say he is very good at reasoning and he is very logical .... I like to ask, what is he being logical or reasonable about? Oh, he is being logical and reasonable about tip-toeing around the prospect of killing a few billion Muslims? Well, if not, then what? AI? If you do a little research, you would understand that neuro-science is basically in its infancy and we are a long way from even discussing the possibility of something remotely close to AI. So, I guess, I dont really see what value his 3 hour discussion has .... at all ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
+justin vaughn I guess you're referring to his position on nuclear first strike but in that case you have misunderstood what he said entirely
+Ewan Robertson Please, feel free to elaborate.
The next step in human philosophical/moral development is the understanding that free-will doesn't exist.
+Enthos2 lol @ at the guy getting his moral understandings from an atheist
Atheism is a separate topic.
Yes, this guy again.
The masterful Sam Harris, Hell to the Yes!
What a fantastic guest. And Joe had some great questions and counterpoints the entire time. Looking forward to seeing Sam on again.
Joe Rogan predicted the future when began talking about McGregor vs Wrestler at 5:27 lmao
This argument is repeated over and over, that the west "has responsibility for Islamic terrorism and trouble in the middle east" Its bullshit. The Middle East is a mess because of the religion and culture, and the lack of regard for human rights.
Anybody can check the history of Islamic terror and the radicalization of Islam. It started in the late 1960s-1970's ( the modern version) and got progressively worse. Groups like AlQaeda were formed in the 1980's, long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can look at pictures of Muslim cities like Cairo, Kabul, Kuwait City in the 1950's-early 1960's and there is not a hijab to be seen. Most people are wearing western style clothes. From the 1970's everything changed, a more rigid, extreme form of Islam started to spread around the world along with terrorist groups. Whatever the reasons for Islamic radicalization, it started long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The west may have sometimes not helped by interfering, and Iraq was probably a mistake, but the religious violence between Sunni and Shia and violence in the name of Islam, is 100% the fault of Muslims and their religious leaders. The only people that can keep relative order in these countries are brutal dictators, because thats all the people understand. The people are backward, (not all, but the majority) they dont respect human rights, democracy or equality, and given a chance, they all start killing each other, oppressing each other, and persecuting their minorities..Sam Harris is right, and making excuses for Muslims and their behaviour isnt going to help solve the problem. The vast majority of the recorded deaths in the Middle East is from Sunni and Shia killing each other.
>colonizes the entire Islamic region for more than a century. More than anything the Islamic and Arab world has seen in its 1400 year old history.
>creates arbitrary borders done by the colonial leaders (France and Britain) and puts puppet dictatorial leaders in said colonies.
>creates a JEWISH STATE right at the middle of the Islamic and the arab world in Palestine (repeating a certain event that happened 1000 years ago but I won't open that door). Sending Nuclear weapons and state-of-the-art military weapons to it while putting Military bases in the neighbors of said state. to ensure they don't do anything.
>steals resources like its their fucking lands while enslaving the entire population of arab muslims, sending them to european wars like WWII as food for canons serving forcefully for the British/French to fight their wars.
>butchers and fries the bodies of more than a 1.5 million Algerians in the sixties, more than a million in Iraq since the ninties, hundreds of thousands in Palestine etc etc.. all in the name of "Bringing peace, love and US democracy to the world".
>cries "TEH EZLAMAIC INVASHUN OF MURICA" when the muslim population of America rises to 2.5%.
"The Middle East is a mess because of the religion and culture, and the lack of regard for human rights."
No, this region is a mess because you and the rest of your ilk never seem to stop sending a billion bombs and create chaos all over the place until we (the arabs) completely bow down to the European neocolonists and the Americans by completely leaving our religion and culture. The middle east was peaceful for more than 400 years during the Islamic Ottoman Caliphate. After it ended, and since European colonization and the rise of Israel, shit's been going down hill since, that says alot about who really is the reason of all this chaos.
"The west may have sometimes not helped by interfering, and Iraq was probably a mistake"
its not a mistake, its a CHOICE perpetrated by the US. there is no such thing as a "mistake" when you are talking about entire nations.
When you put 50+ countries on a list to go to a "war" with a country that is already divided and nearly destroyed from another war with 100% support from muricans and friends, then butchering who knows how much and flatten it completely, sending it to chaos and the rest of the region as well WHILE CONTINUING MEDDLING IN THE SAME REGION that is hardly called a mistake.
"The vast majority of the recorded deaths in the Middle East is from Sunni and Shia killing each other."
rofl no, its from the western countries, thats a fact, stop turning a blind eye to the shit your ilk has done you blood-thirsty fuck.
" You can look at pictures of Muslim cities like Cairo, Kabul, Kuwait City in the 1950's-early 1960's and there is not a hijab to be seen. Most people are wearing western style clothes."
And we can thank our lovely British/French colonialism for that, nearly butchering our culture and shoving their laws in our countries. but if some muslims go to a european country, they go all like 'WE ARE GETTING INVADED, EUROPE IS DOOMED!!!".
The Americans and their friends in Europe never cease to amaze me with their superiority complex, and how they have the right to go to war with any country and control any nation, killing MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS, shoving their cultures and laws in those nations, then crying terrorism when they fight back and victimizing themselves heavily.
Bman Chu>Oppression and conquer, yet there are some 30 million christians in the middle east still after 1400 years, while peaceful chrsitian euros eradicated ENTIRE RACES of human beings from four massive continents.
ROFL try harder, also lol at you talking about conquer and oppression when you have a communist avatar, and everybody knows what the communists' history is.
calm down and read a book sweetheart
Love this interview
Would be nice to see Steven Pinker interview.
Didnt Bill Hicks do a joke about how the USA government, during the period of the early 90s of the iraq war, sell """""Farming Equipment""""" to certain people/groups over in the middle east? Then he follows up by saying its a bullshit label on the books for what was really weapons. Made me laugh when Sam said that exact phrase.
Look it up people, Joe should have pulled him up as soon as he uttered those words
Just played a "the accountant" ad before the vid.
The cream of "British" youth died in WW1 Sam, not English. Insane and disproportionate numbers of Scots, Welsh and Irish went down in those trenches.
Sorry Americans lump them all together. England and great Britain are the same place to us. We just don't care. Don't be so sensitive. Yes poor people always die disproportionately in war.