Why you should NEVER use carved brackets! Avoid at all costs.

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  • Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
  • Fixing a door surround and the truth about carved brackets. Sadly, they are cheap, mass produced and sometimes ugly. Brent explains why you need to stop adding these on your job. He also explains how to fix a door surround. Check it out.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 103

  • @jerrycaskey4483
    @jerrycaskey4483 День тому +33

    This channel is an absolute gem

  • @billk8780
    @billk8780 День тому +8

    New additions to the lexicon: "McMansiony" and "train-wreck moulding".
    Brent, keep 'em coming my man!

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Nice. Thanks. Will do.

  • @sharonvik2068
    @sharonvik2068 День тому +16

    Thanks for showing mockups of how trim should be constructed. Now I understand why trim in so many houses looks out of scale with the architecture.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Great! I'm glad it helped.

  • @styleden22
    @styleden22 21 годину тому +8

    My son is applying to architecture school. We are enjoying your channel.

    • @scottzagger
      @scottzagger 20 годин тому +4

      Notre Dame is the one you want.

    • @liamo8932
      @liamo8932 17 годин тому +1

      ​@@scottzaggerTrue, or else he'll just be making modern buildings that only architects like

    • @scottzagger
      @scottzagger 17 годин тому +4

      @@liamo8932 Apparently there’s a study that shows that with every year in (most) architecture schools there’s a greater divergence between what people like and what architects like.

    • @pn4960
      @pn4960 15 годин тому

      @@scottzaggeri saw that too ! The UA-cam channel that mentioned it is Aesthetic cities (I think)

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      That's great. If he likes my channel I would suggest he avoids some of the modern schools. Good luck.

  • @michaelbissen1946
    @michaelbissen1946 23 години тому +4

    Brent, I've been installing those brackets on every fireplace for 2 different builders for the past 12 years. I've been trying to talk them out of using them. They won't listen. They want it to look "fancy." My trim supplier even tells me, these 2 builders are the only builders he is still selling the carved brackets to.
    Really enjoy your videos!!!

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Thanks for sharing. Maybe they'll catch on soon.

  • @kirkshrum6222
    @kirkshrum6222 День тому +7

    Brent I made a mantel for my fireplace a few years back, everyone who see it loves it. Me not so much, I had used mass produced trim from a certain home improvement center. The scale works but I also used pre-made corbels that just screams cheap to me. One of these days if don’t sell the house I’m redoing it! Cheers Kirk

    • @MichaelDinsmore
      @MichaelDinsmore 23 години тому +1

      If you build it yourself, be careful with fire code for how far out from, the wall and the height of the mantel from the firebox opening. Also, I’d recommend taking a look at some simple designs that Fine Homebuilding offers, using some built up pieces of molding to produce the final product. One article by architect Reid Highley offers some good building tips and recommendations for them.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +3

      I think that is the sign of growing taste. You build something but realize later you should have done something else, or at least you know how you would fix it. I do that on the mantle in my house. I think the bed mold is too large and out of scale. People love it. Keep at it. Thx.

  • @danielstover3029
    @danielstover3029 День тому +7

    I truly hope that your brother shares this video with his local Mc Mansion Mouldings store. Truth and knowledge is rare. Great video and thanks for sharing. 😁👍

  • @NorthernChev
    @NorthernChev 11 годин тому +1

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For being the one to finally say, "Adding carved corbels is trying to goop something up".

  • @Joshua_Knowles_
    @Joshua_Knowles_ День тому +15

    i think this is the problem today, people who want a classical designed house may only be getting a bad facsimile of it, which is why i think many people don’t like “classic” design as they may be getting confused with bad elements that don’t feel right of a modern facsimile.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      I agree 100%. Its a problem.

  • @dennisdean3925
    @dennisdean3925 День тому +4

    Great job, again. Explaining what is 'correct' according to scale and exposing McMansiony garbage!

  • @tricia8727
    @tricia8727 День тому +6

    Oh man I can't wait to see what you and Richard create!

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +2

      It will be so much better than what is there. Thx

  • @waynegoebel395
    @waynegoebel395 11 годин тому

    I recently had the privilege to restore a 100+ year old front door from a Frederick Scheiibler designed duplex built in 1910 here in Pittsburgh (Wilkinsburg), Pa. Keeping in mind lessons learned from your channel, I was able to design and install a new window frame as the old one had deteriorated beyond restoration. Keeping it simple yet appropriate was key. Thanks for the channel and great information. I followed Richard to your channel, by the way. That young men is an inspiration.

  • @maudessen573
    @maudessen573 11 годин тому

    You’re the voice of reason.

  • @rogerhodges7656
    @rogerhodges7656 День тому +4

    Thank you for another wonderful installment.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Thanks for watching.

  • @ensatlantic
    @ensatlantic 7 годин тому

    Learned something from this video … again. Thank you for spearheading the re-renaissance!

  • @jeremypalmer7177
    @jeremypalmer7177 7 годин тому

    Currently rebuilding my house. You're giving me all kinds of things to consider! Thank you!

  • @janderson8401
    @janderson8401 22 години тому +3

    Years ago I had put up crown molding for a customer in a 1960s “ colonial” I think it was 3-1/4” or 3-1/2 in a living room that was about 14’ by 20’. Later a neighbor of that customer called me about putting crown in a 5’ by 5’ powder room, ( it was the kind of neighborhood where a half bath would be called a powder room). This woman wanted me to use 5-12” crown. I thought given the size of the room with only an 8’ high ceiling a 2-1/2 or smaller molding would be more appropriate. We compromised at 4-1/2. I think she just wanted a bigger molding than her neighbors had.

    • @АлексейМаринчев-м1з
      @АлексейМаринчев-м1з 13 годин тому +1

      Well, it's a commonplace 😂.
      My neighbour decided to be cooler than his friend and ordered ceiling beams 30*20 cm. 😂 Solid wood!!!😮
      I wondered why? He could have made them even bigger, but hollow, out of plywood etc.
      But he wanted a medieval castle ceiling in an 9 ft room😂😂😂😂

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Haha, well that sounds about right. Thx for sharing.

  • @avisitorhere
    @avisitorhere 4 години тому

    My philosophy on trim is that it should look like it's carrying a load. It also needs to be proportional. Keep those two ideas in mind and you'll go along way to getting it right.

  • @drjrjules1
    @drjrjules1 День тому +3

    Man I love these videos. Thanks Brent!!
    What do you do if you 'should' have a wider door casing, but there's not enough room on one side of the door because of a wall? is it ok to have the casing on the wall side skinnier?

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      While not ideal, that is typically what I do. Thx

  • @BuildinIt
    @BuildinIt 10 годин тому

    Thanks Brent! Love your videos. I’m working on getting y GC license and hope to build beautiful things as you are one day.

  • @ccwnyc5671
    @ccwnyc5671 День тому +2

    Glad you're using Richard again. Just don't give him too much artistic license. 😉

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      Haha. Richard's great. Thx.

  • @countrymuch2017
    @countrymuch2017 23 години тому

    I appreciate how you teach this.

  • @victoriathorlacius874
    @victoriathorlacius874 22 години тому +1

    Praying that I come into enough money to have you build a traditional house for me.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      That would be great. Thx.

  • @heystarfish100
    @heystarfish100 День тому

    You’re putting hair on Richard’s chest Brent and he is handling all of this information exceptionally well. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Thanks for watching!!

  • @jeffkellytucker8966
    @jeffkellytucker8966 31 хвилина тому

    I love your channel, I’ve always been and architecture geek at heart, though ended up in engineering. I am planning to build my final “retirement home” as a stone farmhouse, and my biggest goal is to make it appear old. I wish your channel was around when I was 40 years younger, ha ha. I do have one question. Isn’t that a carved corbel on the natural wood piece behind your easel?

  • @JeepMurphy
    @JeepMurphy День тому +1

    Thank you.

  • @moneymakingmikeg.9555
    @moneymakingmikeg.9555 23 години тому

    Yoooooo Brent!!! Keep these gems coming Bud. And... I'm honored you're giving Richard another chance after scoring him an F- on his mantle. He deserves another chance just on handsomeness alone LOL!!! Hope this makes you chuckle. Blessings Bud, Dirty Jersey out!!

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      Haha, I love it. Thanks for watching.

  • @andrewkennedy9704
    @andrewkennedy9704 День тому +1

    I assume Richard is using windsor one? Plus I wish it was available here in canada. I want to use it to trim my house when I get to that.

    • @TristanB499
      @TristanB499 22 години тому

      Kiuken might ship to Canada ask them

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      Thanks! Yes he is.

  • @MichaelDinsmore
    @MichaelDinsmore 23 години тому

    I like the phrase, “it’s a car wreck - full of bumps, bruises and cuts”. I see those moldings all the time at the store and refuse to buy them - they’re ugly. You didn’t mention it, but when you do the framing on the exterior door side, I hope you have your brother raise the height of those exterior lights. I’ve never seen them installed so low before - another disaster! He can keep them if he likes them, but they shouldn’t be at hip height!

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Noted. I'll let him know.

  • @BeauQuillen
    @BeauQuillen 19 годин тому +1

    You should go to Lynnewood Hall in Pennsylvania.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      I'll check it out

  • @AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye
    @AnthonyAnthony-tk4ye День тому +1

    Lol at first I thought you said “pre-carved deplorables”….. I was like “they’re not that bad…..🤔😂

  • @cborecky
    @cborecky 7 годин тому

    Designing for an ornate mansion is complicated, but IMO the most luxurious doorways are the basic flat-plank stained hardwood door frames found in craftsman, arts and crafts, and some Victorian houses. It is becoming rare to be able to find examples that haven't been painted over, which is all the more reason why I would covet owning such a distinctive finish (which would have been considered quite basic and normal 100 years ago).

  • @willbass2869
    @willbass2869 День тому

    Just throwing a corbel up to make it look fancy..... AKA "cat house" decorating.
    And for bonus points we have the word of the day......"gloppy"
    Great episode Brent.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Gloppy . I love it.

  • @flybyav8tor
    @flybyav8tor 23 години тому +1

    Why do people feel they have to use what’s in the catalog? Kuiken only ships finger joint and we wanted solid poplar so I printed off the historically accurate profiles for my 1850 GR farmhouse. Picked out some 5/4 poplar at the local lumber yard, paid $500 to have some knives made, and a $200 set up fee and bam period correct solid wood moldings.

  • @Ang.0910
    @Ang.0910 16 годин тому

    Love your videos Brent! If I ever have enough money I’m hiring u!!

  • @BradVaughn
    @BradVaughn 23 години тому

    Hey Brent. Can you share with viewers where you can find appropriate mouldings without having to find a carpenter who can custom build the components?

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      Kuiken Bros Classical molding line. I put that line together for them.

  • @damonroberts7372
    @damonroberts7372 11 годин тому

    If I saw those carved corbels framing a doorway, I'd be thinking, "...why do they have a mantelpiece over their door?!"

  • @a97chrjo
    @a97chrjo 19 годин тому

    Shoe molding, carved brackets and chair rail at 36 inches. Got it😂

  • @user-kq2co9zf5k
    @user-kq2co9zf5k День тому

    Hi Brent, love that pulvinated freize. Gorgeous. Do you know any suppliers for those (I’m assuming it’s a custom order)?

    • @snafunet
      @snafunet 19 годин тому +2

      I already went through this and nobody really makes a moulding that matches that frieze exactly that's not custom. On the other hand, saroyan hardwoods carries a door casing (in stock) where if you cut off the top which looks kind of like an astragal with a table saw, you can make the lower portion into a pulvinated frieze (s-shape).

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      I don't know anyone that stocks them. Sorry.

    • @user-kq2co9zf5k
      @user-kq2co9zf5k 18 хвилин тому

      Thanks! Will check it out.

  • @Darrida
    @Darrida День тому +1

    Concept of S-curve allegedly was invented in Greek Order by Praxiteles , 4th century BC.
    It is knowledge proved by thousands years.

  • @GimpGladly
    @GimpGladly 20 годин тому

    I can't say that classical design is very appealing to me personally. Perhaps like others have said, it's because I've just seen too much done poorly and wrong. On the occasion I see it done well I can certainly appreciate it, and the challenge involved in the build, but it's still a somewhat on the busy side to my personal taste.
    What I enjoy about these lessons though is the logic to it; the ideas of proportions and readability. With the projects I've built (nowhere near the refined level of what you or Richard do) I try to take some of these ideas and apply them with simpler geometries and profiles; primarily square faces with eased edges and the ocasional bevel or bead. Ive come to realize that my primary dislike is the ogee, and along with it, pretty much all the standard trim profiles available from the usual suspects.
    I'm not sure if I've stumbled upon a "classical modern" look or if there is another term for a "simplified classical," as I might try to call it, that primarily plays with the shadow lines and reveals.
    I would be interested to know if there is an established style along these lines and what some of the thought involved is in it.
    I find myself applying some of these ideas to much less refined projects and "rustic" materials such as decks and knotty pine repectively and have to wonder if there is any developed disipline in these realms at all. After all, some of the most ridiculous things I see are not just in the McMansions but also these modern log homes, like 15'+ stacked riverstone 12" columns that make no sense.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому +1

      You are asking the right questions and on the right track. Keep it up. Good design is learned and refined by experience and good taste. Thx.

  • @flybyav8tor
    @flybyav8tor 23 години тому

    Why do people feel they have to use what’s in the catalog? Kuiken only ships finger joint and we wanted solid poplar so I printed off the historically accurate profiles for my 1850 GR farmhouse. Picked out some 5/4 poplar at the local lumber yard, paid $500 to have some knives made, and a $200 set up fee and bam period correct solid wood moldings.
    Also, I followed Richard before he knew you and you have changed his life in a dramatic way. If you did nothing else empowering Richard with the knowledge to keep playing the game would be enough. Highly recommend infinite game by Simon Sinek.

    • @snafunet
      @snafunet 20 годин тому +1

      $700 before you even get any moulding. Ouch. I don't have any problems with Kuiken mouldings even if they're finger joint. Everything I do is paint-grade anyway so you're never going to see it. And historically speaking, if you're opting for a Georgian or Federal look, it was all paint grade moulding. Also, thanks again Brent for designing the Kuiken mouldings! I plan to use them more for my projects.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Noted, thanks for sharing. Good work on the solid wood.

  • @anthony01571
    @anthony01571 22 години тому

    OUTSTANDING : o .....

  • @Tony-InLosAngeles
    @Tony-InLosAngeles 22 години тому +1

    😮Oh…your house is soooo fancy! 🤭you like my “corbels”…

  • @stephen7938
    @stephen7938 21 годину тому

    If only this work was still common place even in more contemporary homes we wouldn't have such crap that we have in mass today.

  • @snafunet
    @snafunet 19 годин тому

    I get why you're saying people should not use carved corbels because they don't fit the architecture of the house and are carelessly tacked on as a way to add flare. But if you know where and when to use them correctly and you size them properly, I see no harm in it. For people who don't know, the correct place to place them is right under the bed mould on a pilaster on each side adjacent to the architrave. The width of the pilaster will be the same as the top of the corbel.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Your right, but it is rarely practiced with those guidelines.

  • @lazygardens
    @lazygardens 21 годину тому

    The fad is for HUGE crown moldings in 1 piece because building them up in the traditional manner is too hard.

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Yep, takes too long to do it right. Sadly.

  • @NorthernChev
    @NorthernChev 10 годин тому

    That "sweep" over the door is way over the top. It makes the interior doorway look like you're trying to emulate an exterior porch. And there's nothing else proportion-wise anywhere near it to justify it's height. There has to be a better way to "tie into" the window than this behemoth.

  • @charlesmoser7720
    @charlesmoser7720 21 годину тому +1

    Where are these classical rules written down? ONE BOOK could do it.

    • @russdee333
      @russdee333 14 годин тому +2

      Check out the book Get Your House Right G

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      I wish. Thx.

  • @seanpopecoffey1340
    @seanpopecoffey1340 22 години тому

  • @martinp1544
    @martinp1544 19 годин тому +1

    I like the more opinionated Brent Hull…. No really tell us how you feel on……

    • @BrentHull
      @BrentHull  13 годин тому

      Haha. Yep, sometimes it just comes out.