Why you should NEVER use carved brackets! Avoid at all costs.
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Fixing a door surround and the truth about carved brackets. Sadly, they are cheap, mass produced and sometimes ugly. Brent explains why you need to stop adding these on your job. He also explains how to fix a door surround. Check it out.
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This channel is an absolute gem
Thanks so much!
New additions to the lexicon: "McMansiony" and "train-wreck moulding".
Brent, keep 'em coming my man!
Nice. Thanks. Will do.
Thanks for showing mockups of how trim should be constructed. Now I understand why trim in so many houses looks out of scale with the architecture.
Great! I'm glad it helped.
My son is applying to architecture school. We are enjoying your channel.
Notre Dame is the one you want.
@@scottzaggerTrue, or else he'll just be making modern buildings that only architects like
@@liamo8932 Apparently there’s a study that shows that with every year in (most) architecture schools there’s a greater divergence between what people like and what architects like.
@@scottzaggeri saw that too ! The UA-cam channel that mentioned it is Aesthetic cities (I think)
That's great. If he likes my channel I would suggest he avoids some of the modern schools. Good luck.
Brent, I've been installing those brackets on every fireplace for 2 different builders for the past 12 years. I've been trying to talk them out of using them. They won't listen. They want it to look "fancy." My trim supplier even tells me, these 2 builders are the only builders he is still selling the carved brackets to.
Really enjoy your videos!!!
Thanks for sharing. Maybe they'll catch on soon.
Brent I made a mantel for my fireplace a few years back, everyone who see it loves it. Me not so much, I had used mass produced trim from a certain home improvement center. The scale works but I also used pre-made corbels that just screams cheap to me. One of these days if don’t sell the house I’m redoing it! Cheers Kirk
If you build it yourself, be careful with fire code for how far out from, the wall and the height of the mantel from the firebox opening. Also, I’d recommend taking a look at some simple designs that Fine Homebuilding offers, using some built up pieces of molding to produce the final product. One article by architect Reid Highley offers some good building tips and recommendations for them.
I think that is the sign of growing taste. You build something but realize later you should have done something else, or at least you know how you would fix it. I do that on the mantle in my house. I think the bed mold is too large and out of scale. People love it. Keep at it. Thx.
I truly hope that your brother shares this video with his local Mc Mansion Mouldings store. Truth and knowledge is rare. Great video and thanks for sharing. 😁👍
I hope so too
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For being the one to finally say, "Adding carved corbels is trying to goop something up".
i think this is the problem today, people who want a classical designed house may only be getting a bad facsimile of it, which is why i think many people don’t like “classic” design as they may be getting confused with bad elements that don’t feel right of a modern facsimile.
I agree 100%. Its a problem.
Great job, again. Explaining what is 'correct' according to scale and exposing McMansiony garbage!
Thank you!
Oh man I can't wait to see what you and Richard create!
It will be so much better than what is there. Thx
I recently had the privilege to restore a 100+ year old front door from a Frederick Scheiibler designed duplex built in 1910 here in Pittsburgh (Wilkinsburg), Pa. Keeping in mind lessons learned from your channel, I was able to design and install a new window frame as the old one had deteriorated beyond restoration. Keeping it simple yet appropriate was key. Thanks for the channel and great information. I followed Richard to your channel, by the way. That young men is an inspiration.
You’re the voice of reason.
Thank you for another wonderful installment.
Thanks for watching.
Learned something from this video … again. Thank you for spearheading the re-renaissance!
Currently rebuilding my house. You're giving me all kinds of things to consider! Thank you!
Years ago I had put up crown molding for a customer in a 1960s “ colonial” I think it was 3-1/4” or 3-1/2 in a living room that was about 14’ by 20’. Later a neighbor of that customer called me about putting crown in a 5’ by 5’ powder room, ( it was the kind of neighborhood where a half bath would be called a powder room). This woman wanted me to use 5-12” crown. I thought given the size of the room with only an 8’ high ceiling a 2-1/2 or smaller molding would be more appropriate. We compromised at 4-1/2. I think she just wanted a bigger molding than her neighbors had.
Well, it's a commonplace 😂.
My neighbour decided to be cooler than his friend and ordered ceiling beams 30*20 cm. 😂 Solid wood!!!😮
I wondered why? He could have made them even bigger, but hollow, out of plywood etc.
But he wanted a medieval castle ceiling in an 9 ft room😂😂😂😂
Haha, well that sounds about right. Thx for sharing.
My philosophy on trim is that it should look like it's carrying a load. It also needs to be proportional. Keep those two ideas in mind and you'll go along way to getting it right.
Man I love these videos. Thanks Brent!!
What do you do if you 'should' have a wider door casing, but there's not enough room on one side of the door because of a wall? is it ok to have the casing on the wall side skinnier?
While not ideal, that is typically what I do. Thx
Thanks Brent! Love your videos. I’m working on getting y GC license and hope to build beautiful things as you are one day.
Glad you're using Richard again. Just don't give him too much artistic license. 😉
Haha. Richard's great. Thx.
I appreciate how you teach this.
Thank you!
Praying that I come into enough money to have you build a traditional house for me.
That would be great. Thx.
You’re putting hair on Richard’s chest Brent and he is handling all of this information exceptionally well. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all.
Thanks for watching!!
I love your channel, I’ve always been and architecture geek at heart, though ended up in engineering. I am planning to build my final “retirement home” as a stone farmhouse, and my biggest goal is to make it appear old. I wish your channel was around when I was 40 years younger, ha ha. I do have one question. Isn’t that a carved corbel on the natural wood piece behind your easel?
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Yoooooo Brent!!! Keep these gems coming Bud. And... I'm honored you're giving Richard another chance after scoring him an F- on his mantle. He deserves another chance just on handsomeness alone LOL!!! Hope this makes you chuckle. Blessings Bud, Dirty Jersey out!!
Haha, I love it. Thanks for watching.
I assume Richard is using windsor one? Plus I wish it was available here in canada. I want to use it to trim my house when I get to that.
Kiuken might ship to Canada ask them
Thanks! Yes he is.
I like the phrase, “it’s a car wreck - full of bumps, bruises and cuts”. I see those moldings all the time at the store and refuse to buy them - they’re ugly. You didn’t mention it, but when you do the framing on the exterior door side, I hope you have your brother raise the height of those exterior lights. I’ve never seen them installed so low before - another disaster! He can keep them if he likes them, but they shouldn’t be at hip height!
Noted. I'll let him know.
You should go to Lynnewood Hall in Pennsylvania.
I'll check it out
Lol at first I thought you said “pre-carved deplorables”….. I was like “they’re not that bad…..🤔😂
Haha. Funny.
Designing for an ornate mansion is complicated, but IMO the most luxurious doorways are the basic flat-plank stained hardwood door frames found in craftsman, arts and crafts, and some Victorian houses. It is becoming rare to be able to find examples that haven't been painted over, which is all the more reason why I would covet owning such a distinctive finish (which would have been considered quite basic and normal 100 years ago).
Just throwing a corbel up to make it look fancy..... AKA "cat house" decorating.
And for bonus points we have the word of the day......"gloppy"
Great episode Brent.
Gloppy . I love it.
Why do people feel they have to use what’s in the catalog? Kuiken only ships finger joint and we wanted solid poplar so I printed off the historically accurate profiles for my 1850 GR farmhouse. Picked out some 5/4 poplar at the local lumber yard, paid $500 to have some knives made, and a $200 set up fee and bam period correct solid wood moldings.
Thx.
Love your videos Brent! If I ever have enough money I’m hiring u!!
Thanks so much.
Hey Brent. Can you share with viewers where you can find appropriate mouldings without having to find a carpenter who can custom build the components?
Kuiken Bros Classical molding line. I put that line together for them.
If I saw those carved corbels framing a doorway, I'd be thinking, "...why do they have a mantelpiece over their door?!"
Shoe molding, carved brackets and chair rail at 36 inches. Got it😂
Haha. Thx.
Hi Brent, love that pulvinated freize. Gorgeous. Do you know any suppliers for those (I’m assuming it’s a custom order)?
I already went through this and nobody really makes a moulding that matches that frieze exactly that's not custom. On the other hand, saroyan hardwoods carries a door casing (in stock) where if you cut off the top which looks kind of like an astragal with a table saw, you can make the lower portion into a pulvinated frieze (s-shape).
I don't know anyone that stocks them. Sorry.
Thanks! Will check it out.
Concept of S-curve allegedly was invented in Greek Order by Praxiteles , 4th century BC.
It is knowledge proved by thousands years.
Cyma Recta & Cyma Reversa-
Thanks for sharing.
I can't say that classical design is very appealing to me personally. Perhaps like others have said, it's because I've just seen too much done poorly and wrong. On the occasion I see it done well I can certainly appreciate it, and the challenge involved in the build, but it's still a somewhat on the busy side to my personal taste.
What I enjoy about these lessons though is the logic to it; the ideas of proportions and readability. With the projects I've built (nowhere near the refined level of what you or Richard do) I try to take some of these ideas and apply them with simpler geometries and profiles; primarily square faces with eased edges and the ocasional bevel or bead. Ive come to realize that my primary dislike is the ogee, and along with it, pretty much all the standard trim profiles available from the usual suspects.
I'm not sure if I've stumbled upon a "classical modern" look or if there is another term for a "simplified classical," as I might try to call it, that primarily plays with the shadow lines and reveals.
I would be interested to know if there is an established style along these lines and what some of the thought involved is in it.
I find myself applying some of these ideas to much less refined projects and "rustic" materials such as decks and knotty pine repectively and have to wonder if there is any developed disipline in these realms at all. After all, some of the most ridiculous things I see are not just in the McMansions but also these modern log homes, like 15'+ stacked riverstone 12" columns that make no sense.
You are asking the right questions and on the right track. Keep it up. Good design is learned and refined by experience and good taste. Thx.
Why do people feel they have to use what’s in the catalog? Kuiken only ships finger joint and we wanted solid poplar so I printed off the historically accurate profiles for my 1850 GR farmhouse. Picked out some 5/4 poplar at the local lumber yard, paid $500 to have some knives made, and a $200 set up fee and bam period correct solid wood moldings.
Also, I followed Richard before he knew you and you have changed his life in a dramatic way. If you did nothing else empowering Richard with the knowledge to keep playing the game would be enough. Highly recommend infinite game by Simon Sinek.
$700 before you even get any moulding. Ouch. I don't have any problems with Kuiken mouldings even if they're finger joint. Everything I do is paint-grade anyway so you're never going to see it. And historically speaking, if you're opting for a Georgian or Federal look, it was all paint grade moulding. Also, thanks again Brent for designing the Kuiken mouldings! I plan to use them more for my projects.
Noted, thanks for sharing. Good work on the solid wood.
OUTSTANDING : o .....
Thank you.
😮Oh…your house is soooo fancy! 🤭you like my “corbels”…
Hahahaha
If only this work was still common place even in more contemporary homes we wouldn't have such crap that we have in mass today.
Agreed. Thx.
I get why you're saying people should not use carved corbels because they don't fit the architecture of the house and are carelessly tacked on as a way to add flare. But if you know where and when to use them correctly and you size them properly, I see no harm in it. For people who don't know, the correct place to place them is right under the bed mould on a pilaster on each side adjacent to the architrave. The width of the pilaster will be the same as the top of the corbel.
Your right, but it is rarely practiced with those guidelines.
The fad is for HUGE crown moldings in 1 piece because building them up in the traditional manner is too hard.
Yep, takes too long to do it right. Sadly.
That "sweep" over the door is way over the top. It makes the interior doorway look like you're trying to emulate an exterior porch. And there's nothing else proportion-wise anywhere near it to justify it's height. There has to be a better way to "tie into" the window than this behemoth.
Where are these classical rules written down? ONE BOOK could do it.
Check out the book Get Your House Right G
I wish. Thx.
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Thx.
I like the more opinionated Brent Hull…. No really tell us how you feel on……
Haha. Yep, sometimes it just comes out.