I can agree with few comments below, I tried Node and Primare Prisma and then Wiim, all streamers were connected to external dac (first two coaxs and optical with Wiim), there was zero difference in sound quality or sound profile, all played identical and all apps worked flawless, but when I saw how many music services Wiim support including even Soundcloud I sold Node and Prisma asap... and now they will release on december 15 Wiim Mini Pro version :)
I own a WiiM..I've also had a Node as well as a more expensive streamer. With inputs/outputs and build quality the WiiM is outclassed by most everything. But with toslink out the WiiM is bit perfect, and can basically sound as good as the dac you choose to pair it with. Their Home app is as good or better than most others. I haven't found one that I really like..so they are all the same to me. I did notice a little distortion at high volumes with the WiiM, others I talked to didn't have this issue but I used an old Ipad switching power supply adapter I had laying around and now it plays super clean and quiet. Using the Toslink output into a good dac and I think it's a great device for just streaming music from a paid streaming service. I only use the WiiM now for all my streaming needs, I am extremely satisfied. You don't have to spend hundreds or thousands for quality hi res music streaming. People that use laptops or computers already knew this though lol
@@Gadgetdad007 yeah I tried all that first, messed with the fixed output as well. I did notice that adjusting the output voltage did nothing for the digital output. I'm starting to think that it only effects the analog output. It could have been one of the frequent updates that fixed my issue, but the distortion was very audible when I cranked up the volume.. and after changing to a different "cheap" switching ac adapter it hasn't returned. So I'll leave it be
As a fan of physical media, I'm just getting into streaming. Got a WiiM Mini on the way. I'm sure it's a great device for people who are new into streaming, like myself, or have moderate to low-end systems. Node is for people who have really good sound systems or that know that streaming is their main source of musical enjoyment. Either way, you can't go wrong.
I have a node. And i choose it because of the hdmi earc. But when i plug ig to a tv via hdmi earc the volume droped by alot!! No eq as well. Wiim have 10 band eq! And the connection is NOT STABLE AT ALL!! If any of u guys planing to buy a NODE and connect it to a tv and soundbar, just dont. Big disapointment.
I was streaming Amazon prime from an iPad to Audioquest Cobalt DAC into Audioquest 3.5mm to RCA interconnect to my McIntosh c50 preamp. It sounded good, but I hated the cable on the floor, and the DAC dangling from the iPad.Then I introduced a WiiM mini with optical into the McIntosh c50 built in DAC. Wow great sound, eliminated the RCA cable off the floor, and kept the iPad as the remote. I really see no need to find a better streamer at this time. I am looking for a better DAC, but at this time I would have to spend more than 3K to top the DAC in the c50. The WiiM is crazy good!
Imo if you use the Wiim Mini just as a streamer then it is hard to beat. They roll out software updates regularly and add lots of features. Also the app is very intuitive and works well. The built in dac is kind of crap though imo. So if you use the optical out to a quality Dac, it's great.
It's simple, get a node if you want your TV audio to go through your 2 channel hifi. The node allows me to run HDMI through my tv and use my tv remote to change the volume. This is great if you're living with someone who doesn't want to bother with multiple remotes. I don't have to use my dac as a switch.
Thank you for this overview. I am a simple guy and kind of slow with all things electronics. Here's my question: I have a pair of Sonos Ones and a Sonos Sub Mini, and I use AirPlay 2 (not the Sonos app) to stream music and podcasts. *All I want to do is add my home stereo setup to AirPlay so that I can have synced whole-house audio.* Will this device (or the Pro) get me there? Thanks.
WiiM is of great value as a streamer for an external DAC of choice. Updates and support is topnotch and the latest addition is a manual adjustable EQ, not just presets.
Well, obviously the WiiM Mini's cheap built-in TI DAC and implementation can't be as good as the Node, but if you are planning on using a "better" external DAC anyway it would seem the WiiM Mini is the cost-effective way to go. I mean, the DAC inside the Node isn't "bad", but it seems about 60% or so of the people who own one end up buying a DAC in the $500 to $1500 range and not using the one in the Node. If that is your plan, then it seems dumb to pay for something you won't be using. Now, everyone talks about "jitter" and would the cheap Mini have worse jitter than the Node? Maybe. But then most DACs have their own built-in buffer and clock so all data gets sequenced properly even if it has a little jitter when it comes into the buffer, so it might be a moot point.
I will go for the mini for its portability but who knows what the future holds as the blue node is suitable for those who have an audio system at home...🤔🤔🤔
Good evening Adam, hope your having a great day! I honestly think that these streamers are for 2 totally different markets but comparing them really shows that the bluesound node is for a really niche market where the Wiim one is more widely applicable. Off course the bluesound node will sound a bit better but I’m sure for most people the small one will be all they need. What are you thoughts? Great video 👍 side question, what are those speakers on your desk, they look good
Hey Hasan, welcome back buddy, Yeap it is for two different kind of people and I totally agree with you on that my friend. The WiiM Mini is still considered new hence I wanted to introduce it to everyone to let people know about it, so that they know they don’t have the only option for the Bluesound Node 😀
I agree Adam, the Wiim mini is imo a better value for money as an external DAC plus the mini would sound better than the bluesound nude. I guess we’ll have to see what they come up with next
I have to disagree. If you are using an external dac then the sound quality is equal between the 2. The app on the wiim mini is also very good, not quite blue os good, but it's closer than it has any right to be. I like the wiim's app better than anything other than Blue OS.
@@JC-lk3oy yup have to agree with you..heck if wiim release something like "wiim light" with out built in dac just pure streamer..it will be a better option for some
Hi I am using wiim with Dac cd player Denon dcd s10mk2 and the sound is very good.I use Tidal and the sound from the connect and wiim app is realy difrent (the connect sound better).Tell me what to use to take upgraid from the connect ?
The thing with Bluesound is the product has minor updates and altho they say the product uses 'the latest' chips, it's just not true. Pi4 has more up to date components 🙄
Questions here. 1. It says High Res but what if I stream music using Spotify? Spotify music source seems like not High Res, would I get High Res/better sound quality from it? 2. Most of the people saying the DAC is a crap, I do not own any DAC and have no plan to get 1 for now. If I plug in my earphones into the Wiim Mini, would them sound better?
Of course you won't get High Rez lossless from Spotify. They are still using 320kbps OGG or mp3 files. But the WiiM will pass through whatever you feed it up to 24-bit/192Kbps. I currently just use Tidal Hi-Fi (CD quality without the MQA mumbo-jumbo) and am happy. In fact, I liked the WiiM Mini so much I bought another one for a Schiit based headphone DAC/amp combo stack. You need to plug the Mini into an amp of some kind and plug your headphones into the amp. The 1/8" mini output on the Mini is line level only with 2V peaks for connection to an amp or a preamp. The cheap TI DAC in the Mini can get you by just fine, but even a low cost Schiit Modi DAC will offer a significant upgrade (be more punchy and clear with more dynamics).
What the *uck! I laugh. But, seriously, I found the mini sounds a bit soft, not as dynamic, as I like compared to the iFi Zen Stream. Stereophile commented the same. But it has nice proposition for the price point.
Alright guys, which is your pick? 😃
I can agree with few comments below, I tried Node and Primare Prisma and then Wiim, all streamers were connected to external dac (first two coaxs and optical with Wiim), there was zero difference in sound quality or sound profile, all played identical and all apps worked flawless, but when I saw how many music services Wiim support including even Soundcloud I sold Node and Prisma asap... and now they will release on december 15 Wiim Mini Pro version :)
Thanks for your feedback buddy
I own a WiiM..I've also had a Node as well as a more expensive streamer. With inputs/outputs and build quality the WiiM is outclassed by most everything. But with toslink out the WiiM is bit perfect, and can basically sound as good as the dac you choose to pair it with. Their Home app is as good or better than most others. I haven't found one that I really like..so they are all the same to me. I did notice a little distortion at high volumes with the WiiM, others I talked to didn't have this issue but I used an old Ipad switching power supply adapter I had laying around and now it plays super clean and quiet. Using the Toslink output into a good dac and I think it's a great device for just streaming music from a paid streaming service. I only use the WiiM now for all my streaming needs, I am extremely satisfied. You don't have to spend hundreds or thousands for quality hi res music streaming. People that use laptops or computers already knew this though lol
Hey there, thank you very much for the extensive feedback man, very nicely written!
You probably need to go into the settings and select 1VRMS as yours is probably on 2VRMS.
@@Gadgetdad007 yeah I tried all that first, messed with the fixed output as well. I did notice that adjusting the output voltage did nothing for the digital output. I'm starting to think that it only effects the analog output. It could have been one of the frequent updates that fixed my issue, but the distortion was very audible when I cranked up the volume.. and after changing to a different "cheap" switching ac adapter it hasn't returned. So I'll leave it be
@@Gadgetdad007 I did read the 1vRms was equal to a 1.95v output, the 2v was equal to a 3.5db boost I believe
So no need to buy an expensive streaming transport like Lumin U2 mini?
As a fan of physical media, I'm just getting into streaming. Got a WiiM Mini on the way.
I'm sure it's a great device for people who are new into streaming, like myself, or have moderate to low-end systems.
Node is for people who have really good sound systems or that know that streaming is their main source of musical enjoyment. Either way, you can't go wrong.
I have a node. And i choose it because of the hdmi earc.
But when i plug ig to a tv via hdmi earc the volume droped by alot!!
No eq as well.
Wiim have 10 band eq!
And the connection is NOT STABLE AT ALL!!
If any of u guys planing to buy a NODE and connect it to a tv and soundbar, just dont.
Big disapointment.
Very entertaining video! This is the first of your videos I've watched. I want both. A Wiim for right now and a Bluesound later after I have the cash.
Hey Billy thanks man, glad you found the video entertaining and thank you for your feedback!
Vote's on the mini - does the job well with a minimalist design 👍
Hehe thanks for your feedback J and yes I'm with the Mini too! 😁
Mini is great for a secondary garage system! 👍🏻🔈 Bluesound for your primary system.
Great suggestion man
I was streaming Amazon prime from an iPad to Audioquest Cobalt DAC into Audioquest 3.5mm to RCA interconnect to my McIntosh c50 preamp. It sounded good, but I hated the cable on the floor, and the DAC dangling from the iPad.Then I introduced a WiiM mini with optical into the McIntosh c50 built in DAC. Wow great sound, eliminated the RCA cable off the floor, and kept the iPad as the remote. I really see no need to find a better streamer at this time. I am looking for a better DAC, but at this time I would have to spend more than 3K to top the DAC in the c50. The WiiM is crazy good!
is the optical output a digital output so that i can bypass the internal dac of the WiiM?
You're getting creative with the thumbnails
Always trying to 😅
Imo if you use the Wiim Mini just as a streamer then it is hard to beat. They roll out software updates regularly and add lots of features. Also the app is very intuitive and works well. The built in dac is kind of crap though imo. So if you use the optical out to a quality Dac, it's great.
Hey J C thanks for your feedback brother
and the Wiim Mini is now MQA thanks to its last update ! A new Wiim Pro will also be released soon.... Certainly a Node Killer...
It's simple, get a node if you want your TV audio to go through your 2 channel hifi. The node allows me to run HDMI through my tv and use my tv remote to change the volume. This is great if you're living with someone who doesn't want to bother with multiple remotes. I don't have to use my dac as a switch.
Thank you for this overview. I am a simple guy and kind of slow with all things electronics. Here's my question:
I have a pair of Sonos Ones and a Sonos Sub Mini, and I use AirPlay 2 (not the Sonos app) to stream music and podcasts. *All I want to do is add my home stereo setup to AirPlay so that I can have synced whole-house audio.* Will this device (or the Pro) get me there? Thanks.
Can I use WilM Mini with my Samsung's version of Apple Music App?
I have a pair of Kef LSX .. Do i need something of those 2 products.? to get better sound
And skip Kefs stream app
WiiM is of great value as a streamer for an external DAC of choice. Updates and support is topnotch and the latest addition is a manual adjustable EQ, not just presets.
Well, obviously the WiiM Mini's cheap built-in TI DAC and implementation can't be as good as the Node, but if you are planning on using a "better" external DAC anyway it would seem the WiiM Mini is the cost-effective way to go. I mean, the DAC inside the Node isn't "bad", but it seems about 60% or so of the people who own one end up buying a DAC in the $500 to $1500 range and not using the one in the Node. If that is your plan, then it seems dumb to pay for something you won't be using. Now, everyone talks about "jitter" and would the cheap Mini have worse jitter than the Node? Maybe. But then most DACs have their own built-in buffer and clock so all data gets sequenced properly even if it has a little jitter when it comes into the buffer, so it might be a moot point.
I will go for the mini for its portability but who knows what the future holds as the blue node is suitable for those who have an audio system at home...🤔🤔🤔
Hey brother, welcome back and thanks for your feedback too! I actually prefer the Mini too, hehe 😁
The mojo plus mini also costs more than $250 than the node... At that point I might as well buy the node.
Thanks for your feedback buddy
You can get a better DAC than the Mojo for at least half the price, probably a lot less. I had a Mojo, it’s over hyped.
Can I use a 5V/3A Ifi power supply with the Wiim? (it is rated for 5V/1A) ...
Yes, a device will only draw the current it needs so you should be fine. Just be sure to get the polarity correct.
So the WiiM mini needs 5v usb c power. Is it included in the box?
In the USA it is.
What a thoroughly likeable fella he is
Thank you for the kind words buddy
Nope the digital output is bit perfect.... so you can have a 24/192 output for an external DAC ;-)
Very good video bro! 👍😎
Thanks man!
Good evening Adam, hope your having a great day! I honestly think that these streamers are for 2 totally different markets but comparing them really shows that the bluesound node is for a really niche market where the Wiim one is more widely applicable. Off course the bluesound node will sound a bit better but I’m sure for most people the small one will be all they need. What are you thoughts? Great video 👍 side question, what are those speakers on your desk, they look good
Hey Hasan, welcome back buddy, Yeap it is for two different kind of people and I totally agree with you on that my friend. The WiiM Mini is still considered new hence I wanted to introduce it to everyone to let people know about it, so that they know they don’t have the only option for the Bluesound Node 😀
I agree Adam, the Wiim mini is imo a better value for money as an external DAC plus the mini would sound better than the bluesound nude. I guess we’ll have to see what they come up with next
@@ThePieSnatcher Yeap!
The Wiim is great for someone who has a good dedicated DAC and wants to add wireless connection and turn their DAC into a streamer.
Mini seems so worth it
Yeah man, and I love how tiny the fella is too🙂
Hi, Great review, but i would to say effectively if the wiim can send amazon music HD to external dac by toslink at 192khz
The Node for the more serious enthusiasts with more complex setups but the Mini for everybody else. Sweet video!
Thanks for your feedback abang, super on point with what you said!
I have to disagree. If you are using an external dac then the sound quality is equal between the 2. The app on the wiim mini is also very good, not quite blue os good, but it's closer than it has any right to be. I like the wiim's app better than anything other than Blue OS.
What type of "enthusiasts" uses the dac on the Node?
@@JC-lk3oy yup have to agree with you..heck if wiim release something like "wiim light" with out built in dac just pure streamer..it will be a better option for some
The WiiM mini sounds great period. Try one and you will see.
Hi I am using wiim with Dac cd player Denon dcd s10mk2 and the sound is very good.I use Tidal and the sound from the connect and wiim app is realy difrent (the connect sound better).Tell me what to use to take upgraid from the connect ?
I already have an external dac so WIIM mini for me. Or, I may go with the WIIM Pro.
Ok 👌 as always 😊 is a great video ☺️
Thank you Angel! Long time no see, hope you are well? 🙂
@@AdamLoboTV just silently watching my friend 🤭
@@angeli89 haha don't la always silently watch, say hello next time again k 😁
@@AdamLoboTV haha 😂 ok ok 😅 till next video then☺️
@@angeli89 hehe I better see you there!
How about android?
The thing with Bluesound is the product has minor updates and altho they say the product uses 'the latest' chips, it's just not true. Pi4 has more up to date components 🙄
WAIT for the Wiim Pro. Much more flexible than the original Wiim.
Questions here.
1. It says High Res but what if I stream music using Spotify? Spotify music source seems like not High Res, would I get High Res/better sound quality from it?
2. Most of the people saying the DAC is a crap, I do not own any DAC and have no plan to get 1 for now. If I plug in my earphones into the Wiim Mini, would them sound better?
Of course you won't get High Rez lossless from Spotify. They are still using 320kbps OGG or mp3 files. But the WiiM will pass through whatever you feed it up to 24-bit/192Kbps.
I currently just use Tidal Hi-Fi (CD quality without the MQA mumbo-jumbo) and am happy. In fact, I liked the WiiM Mini so much I bought another one for a Schiit based headphone DAC/amp combo stack.
You need to plug the Mini into an amp of some kind and plug your headphones into the amp. The 1/8" mini output on the Mini is line level only with 2V peaks for connection to an amp or a preamp. The cheap TI DAC in the Mini can get you by just fine, but even a low cost Schiit Modi DAC will offer a significant upgrade (be more punchy and clear with more dynamics).
24 vs 32bit , that's a big difference
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great vids im a new subscriber woohoo
Hey man, welcome to the channel and thanks for the subscription too
What the *uck! I laugh. But, seriously, I found the mini sounds a bit soft, not as dynamic, as I like compared to the iFi Zen Stream. Stereophile commented the same. But it has nice proposition for the price point.
They can improve its looks, you have a lovely hifi system then put this cheap lookin plastic puck next to it, I would pay an extra £10 for aesthetics.
You hide it in the cupboard or behind.
Hmmm...69 🤣🤣
Hahaha it always gets me 🤣
I pick 69
Hahahahahah