I put the rifle speed gas system interestingly enough before you put out your video but your review validated my purchase. I just have mine at 1 click up from running M80 to give me a degree of security that it will run all flavors of M80 and steel case.
I have a newer production (2024) SFAR 308 16”. I had a couple miss feeds during first 100rd break in and not one ever since. Over 500rds plus fired now mostly unsuppressed , maybe 100ish suppressed with hybrid 46. Hate seeing guys having issues with the SFAR’s I just love mine and it runs like a champ. The accuracy is good for 16” barrel I hammer steel 300 yards plus with ACOG sight with ease. On the bench 100 yards with good quality ammo 1.5” group is very do-able
Found that the SFAR prefers 165 grain or above. Zero failures to extract or eject loading the heavier ammo. Always run at gas level 2. This baby loves Federal 180 match grade, put a hundred rounds downrange last weekend zero issues. Absolutely love this weapon, easy carry, heavy hitter.
I just can’t make myself shoot 100 rounds of 308 at today’s prices.. @ $1.50 a round or more, that’s $150+ .. FML such bullshiete.. My Adams Arms SF308 AR10 (DPMS G2 pattern) hasn’t been out of the house in several years at this point.. I could afford it I guess and I have enough 308 put away to send 100 down range, I just can’t enjoy it.. I dunno how or what bros are thinking with all these new 6mm AR pattern rifles that eat $3+ per round.. If I got one for free I’d just give it away
Nothing like going out with some buds and running a drill. My and mine headed out in the AZ desert for a Sgt. Chapman drill...2 bunkers... attack up hill, take bunker one...neutralize bunker 2. Bases on USAF Combat Controller Sgt John Chapman's posthumous Medal of honor actions during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan in 2002. Reportedly the first Medal Of Honor action ever recorded, (see the UA-cam video), was recorded by drone overhead. Assume story. This man was a stud above all studs and saved scores of his brothers that day.
Im rocking a PSA PA-10 Gen 3. Currently outfitted with a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40. But in box have the newer Venom 3-15x44mm FFP that I'm going to mount on in the Diamondback's place. Its a bit on the heavy side, even with having the 18" barrel. But I got it in .308. Going to be taking it to the range next weekend, supposedly out to 800 yards. I have a variety of ammo that I have purchased over the years to run through it, different hubting loads from various manufacturers, have some boat tail FMJ that I'm going to try. Hopefully no issues. Going to be using a mix of 20 round P-Mag and 10 with 5 round plates installed, since I'm limited to 5 rounds in a semi-auto for hunting out herw in Nebraska.
I had a del-ton sport lite, i believe it was called. It was under $400 when i bought it new. I put a $50 1.5-4x/w illum. chevron reticle with an elevation post below it(pretty sick for how cheap it was, lol), 45° offset iron sights, put a heavier buffer tube on it, added a metal free float quad rail, polished the trigger, feed ramp, breach, and all non coated metal contact points, put a comfy grip and foregrip, and a sling on it, then finished with ultra flat camo paint, all for under $550 and it was a monster. Trusted it absolutely 100% . I love doing extreme budget builds that run like they cost 5 grand.
Have experience with 2 SFARs, both 16" 308. Dad picked one up last year and shot good enough I got one as well. Both guns had maybe 3-4 mals in first 100rnds but afterwards no malfunctioning in 200-300 rnds. No surplus ammo though, all either premium factory or handloads. Handloads have been max load 165gr sierra, it loves em.
@MyMd1111 I don't really shoot surplus, so I guess the better question is ....what good is surplus? This isn't a run 500rnds a session gun, that's what we have 5.56, 22, 9mm and such for. You're not suppressing anymore with 30.06 and .308, this is a GP/DMR role filler and to use other than that is a waste. While I see what fancy was testing here with a 3x optic that's also a waste on a rifle such as this. The SFAR as a whole may be a junk rifle in factory configuration, I'm just saying my sample size of 2 has been great. I do think for a couple hundred bucks a rifle speed gas block would fix most problems still cheaper and lighter than the competition.
@duroisgawd maybe it can, I don't know, I said I haven't shot surplus ammo through because I haven't found a need to. It's ate everything I've put through it, but I trust my life to my reloads and have the means to produce enough to fill my needs. If your main concern is something shoots shitty ammo with no tuning just run a Mosin or something.....I don't know what else to tell ya.
Good hands on testing and like this new Audie Murphy drill. Bring back memories from your old Sledge Hammer and Trench drills. Keep up the good work. 👍
Right?! It’s amazing that it continued to run! How did TWO guys, LOOKING AT A MALFUNCTION, not see that?? I can understand not noticing it while shooting and looking down range but NOT when the rifle has malfunctioned and you are looking for a problem! Especially when viewers of the video see it right away!
@@GrumpyGenXGramps So right! I was almost desperate for one of them to see it! I waited in disbelief for the rest of the video for Nutn' to explain what happened- but no.........???????????
@@GrumpyGenXGramps I'm guessing the hammer was tilted inside and putting extra pressure on the carrier, it still may need to have the chamber polished though.
I bet the PA10 runs like a champ. I had such high hopes for the SFAR, but It's proven to be completely unreliable garbage that I'm not even sure what to do with now. Thanks for putting out all these years. Always entertaining content.
I’ve been craving some of these run and gun drill videos. I really always enjoyed the multi part run and gun testing and review vids! Thanks for keeping them going
Man I always wanna go do stuff like this but man this year has been murder… me and my wife both got laid off and completely wrecked our finances… learned a hard lesson this year… when a company says we’re doing great and no layoffs for 18 months… get ready to be laid off in 3… total bullshit man… but anyway… good video Nutn!
I don't know if I'm seeing things, but it looks like the hammer pin is sticking way out to the right. If that's the case, the hammer will be misaligned and dragging too much on the carrier, sapping the strength of the carrier moving back and forth.
Have had similar malfunctions with my SFAR as documented on my channel. The lethargic ejection and occasional jam of the next round ended up being a failed ejector on the bolt. I ended up having the barrel replaced due to accuracy problems and poor machining. Definitely 2 places I would check. Awesome drill though fellas!
I wonder if your hard jam(s) were ammo related. Of course with new manufactured federal ammo case OAL should be fine. But that kind of jam is usually what we see with relaoaded ammo that has not been full length resized (or what they call pushing the shoulder back) so that the case has insufficient headspace and the bcg is actually hammering the round into the chamber which then becomes compressed and super tight. When this happens any gun will fail to eject the fired case. The shucking of the case head groove is also telltale - that and needing to hammer the action open. Just a thought.
Those are the SAME malfunctions I experienced in my first shots. I wonder if people will blame you in the comments like they blame me in my first shots video. They say I caused the malfunctions. Or that I don’t know what I’m doing. Same with my RFB malfunctions video. I run a micro 5x with an offset red dot. I have 6 micro 3x prisms on other guns. I did do a video on the 5x prism setup if you’re curious what that looks like. I need to get a P-10.
At 3:00 that’s pretty much it. Red dot guys even are just done. You NEED magnification to even find a target. If all you shoot is known distance ranges, with either bright white paper targets or painted steel, and you know exactly where it is, in good lighting conditions, you are greatly overestimating your combat effectiveness in the real world. A guy at 100 yards just wearing khaki slacks and an olive green polo shirt will disappear if he doesn’t want to be seen. You can absolutely get HITS with irons or a red dot out to distance. A freshly painted, high contrast steel silhouette out to 300-400yds isn’t any trouble to hit with a dot or irons on a brightly lit day. But in real world conditions, you won’t even be able to find it. My eyes were opened in my first rifle match. I was the only guy shooting no magnification (just had an Aimpoint). Everyone else had LPVO or dot/magnifier. There would be a row of 8” plates on a wooden berm at 150-175yds. You needed to get one hit on each. I couldn’t tell you that there WERE even plates on the berm, much less how many. I could just aim to hit a bit above the wood where they said the plates were and send shots. Occasionally I’d get a DING! I changed my setup since then. Went with a 3x PA microprism. Much more effective.
The stoppages are maybe because the bolt is lighter than on the regular AR308. The fact they reduced the bolt size for compactness also decreased the bolt inertia (generated force movement backward-forward). This lack of inertia is probably what cause the round to not eject or feed correctly. losing weight to the detriment of reliability is not a good deal. I would be curious to see how different the cycling would go with an heavier bolt and maybe a longer buffer tube/spring that would delay a little bit the cycling.
Running through the backlogs of vids. I may be somewhat lucky, since I've had 0 malfunctions with my 16" SFAR. I haven't treated it nicely either. Not cleaned with 300 rounds through it. Ran max gas as per the manual required number (200 rds) and set it to 2 after that. It does like 165gr best, but ran lighter factory loads just fine. Every manufacturer has been having issues with new stuff these past few years. No doubt the economy being down is part of it.
My (now) wife bought me an SFAR with her employee discount because I was constantly complaining to her how heavy and tiring it was to get out to my hunting spot with my SCAR 17S, and that I really wanted to get something better for hauling my ass through a swap in the dark for opening whitetail so once I found the right ammo (pretty close in grains to what everyone else in the commets says) it has been flawless with my silencerCo Omega (also used it on the SCAR 17S) its effectively just as accurate with the same knockdown energy and it hasnt failed me yet. Got my first shot on a buck in my 33 years of life and it did exactly as i would expect even used to the ruggedness of the SCAR 17 system. Best 800 bucks I never spent, went with ffp vortex instead of 648 acog, lol
3rd shot out of mine had a ripped case. knocked it out with a cleaning rod and kept shooting. never an issue since. i chalked it up to a brand new rifle with sharp edges.
Ruger’s quality has been questionable for a long time. Around 2009, the joke every time a new Ruger model was released was that the tag line was “recall pending…”
I made a few modifications to my sfar. I have the 16" 308 version. I swapped the muzzle break for a 4 prong surefire flash hider, Radian charging handle and safety selector, geiselle buffer spring and heavier buffer weight to soak up the recoil and Magpul acs stock sling and foregrip, a Primary Arms 1-6 Nova mounted on an American Defense recon mount and a Cloud Defensive light. Several hundred rounds in this configuration with 0 issues. I'm looking at getting the forward control design rod system to clear any jams like these.
Have an SFAR 20 inch, 2 malfunctions since new. Hundreds of rounds through it. Locks back, ejects fine etc etc. Both jams were with the same ammo too... so as good as any rifle out there in my opinion.
I have a 20 too. It didn’t like 7.62 out of the box, but after a break in period, it’s been pretty reliable for me. I wonder if the 20 is better gassed
@markf19 That seems to be the case. I know of a couple of guys that shortened their 20s to 18, and they have been running reliably too. So maybe that could be a happy medium for those thinking of getting one.
I had a really good friend of mine who is also an Ace gunsmith make a few changes on my 16-inch SFAR like the trigger, handguard, and a superlative adjustable gas block and it has been 100% reliable and I know dudes who swapped the factory adjustable gas block with a riflespeed gas block with great success. Hopefully, Ruger will come out with a Gen 2 SFAR that fixes all issues that some SFAR owners have.
I would never buy ruger again after they refused to replace mine...mine was prolly the worst example of anybodys..after the 3rd time going back and trying this and that and this and that I threw my hands up...I wasnt ab to buy a whole nother gas system for that peice of crap...my bolt was showing damage from short dwell time or extreme over gassing or something just wasnt right w the barrel extension or chamber idk
@@Gmny1MOA it seems that customer service and qc have taken a hit in the last decade. I hear lots of complaints about smith and Wesson too. Everyone brought up production but the quality went down imo. I personally prefer older firearms. They were built better.
@@erroneous6947 exactly...and you got someone that spent 1400 bucks on something and all you got it "send it back here's an RMA" for me that was a major inconvenience...the place I have to take it to ship it was over an hr away...then I spent all that money on ammo...they wouldn't reimburse my ammo either that I wasted "breaking it in" or testing out different brands and weights of ammo
I always carry a cleaning rod for this exact malfunction. Tempted to only use A2 stocks so I have a dedicated place to put it along with a replacement bolt
The Primary arms slx 3x is so slept on. One of the best of all time for prism/ dot. I got one in 762x39/ 300 reticle as well. thing is spot on. Lpvo is better forsure but this is so light , capable and durable
Oddly enough my SFAR was under gassed with M118 and would not cycle reliably. A borescope showed the GB port was way smaller than the barrel port even when wide open. Threw on a cheap adjustable Aero GB and now it runs great...
Two of my hunting buddies have SFAR rifles, both are run suppressed. One is a 16" and the other a 20", both have done the same thing more than once out pig hunting. We keep a carbon fiber rod in the truck now.....
So I got a CMMG 24” endeavor mk3 in 308 for shtf, recently I was getting crazy malfunctions with multiple different types of ammo, gunsmith examined it and just replaced the buffer spring, saying it was way too heavy. We will see if that works…
When you say "normal position" gas setting what do you mean? SFARs are shipped out from the factory at gas setting 3 (full gas) which is not what you want to shoot. It will tear brass up and lead to stuck casings in the chamber especially with 7.62X51 ball ammo. Gas setting 2 is the one you wantto use, its in the manual.
This dude doesn't read manuals. If you watch his 516 video you can tell he has difficulty with reading manuals and setting gas settings with a piston rifle.
I have a 1965 Inland 30 carbine. I would not want to get shot by it. I have heard a lot of people say it was underpowered, but that would be my go to over a 45 tommygun or M1Garrand if I was having to carry all over EU back then.
I knew a ww2 paratrooper and he loved it, but said the garand did a better job. He said there was a german trying to get into a tank and he kept running back and forth getting shot each time, he took the equivalent of a whole magazine before he dropped.
Machine gun mounts have basically a grid and pointer. So you map out the real area to the mount grid and pointer (T&E). Then a spoter can say fire at sector. This let's you fire without looking.
While there may be something intangible about the desert that makes things break down there is also something similar about the arctic: when the Canadian military was conducting trials for which rifle to adopt the HK G36 functioned flawlessly everywhere except the arctic. Also I hope you had permission from the farmer to shoot his "tractor" (swather).
my sfar 20" likes LC m80 and my hot reloads, everything else had either function issues or accuracy issues, I also found cleaning the gas system after 100 rounds helps. I managed just under 2 moa with a lpvo. gas on 2. I ran lead gas checks as a hoot, gas on 0 , managed 2-3 moa
Scar 17. All the 308 AR10s I've owned have had reliability issues as the rifles matured, esp if ran with a silencer. Both of my Scar 17s have been shot exclusively suppressed with Surefire silencers and have never had a jam.
The curse of the AR10 persists. So many have tried to streamline/lightweight the AR 308 platform, and so many have failed. I was really hoping that a big name like Ruger would turn that tide but it isn't looking good. I think if you want to run 308 in an AR, just go with the Armalite or DPMS/SR25 platform and deal with the bulk and weight.
Pof usa did it. Mine weighs 6lbs unloaded without an optic. The bcg is the same size as a 556 bcg. Its streamlined and lightweight, and accurate as hell.
Anectodally, I believe NATO ammo has a thicker case than commercial ammo. When reloading it’s common to get higher pressures from the NATO cases due to the smaller internal volume. Could be the thinner commercial cases are separating? I have a few battle rifles and they don’t do this, but I shoot milsurp ammo or reloaded milsurp cases.
Id seriously consider re visiting the NEW daniel defense dd5v4! Its a big change over the old one. I got rid of my old one right away. The new ones are real nice!
Mine had the exact same problem. Ruger polished the chamber, and it has not happened since then. You should also try the gas on setting 2. The instructions tell you to use 3 for a while during break in which is the setting it comes in the box, but 2 is supposed to be the normal operating setting without a suppressor.
I had a armalite ar10 have terrible stuck case issues out of the box. Sent it back. They claimed all they did was chamber hone it. Check headspace and maybe give honing a try? Unless you decide to send it for warranty. Thanks!
The SFAR has always had a gasing issue most people swap out the factory gas block for the riflespeed which gives you 10 setting to tune the gas to run reliably.
@@Gmny1MOA if you look at the lugs they are longer front to back so they can bear more pressure this is what Sig Saur and POF did with their firearms as well, so the thinner walls aren't of concern.
I had the same situation with mine and the conclusion was faulty ammo and not a gun problem. Unfortunately, the SFAR has received a lot of negative publicity by many people that did not break in the rifle properly.
@@thesaint1517 you can't break in something that is broken out of the box...period point blank thats just the way it is...other ppl have problems I'm glad you didn't or haven't "YET" it will fail you eventually
Rugers have declined over the last 10 years. I gave up on getting my LCP, Wrangler, Precision in .308, and the MPR fixed. I sold them off. They put zero effort into finishing work.
Paul is a legend and will forever be miss. . . Keep his spirit and be fancy!
Here Here!
Meat target at the range for us tomorrow 😊
And oranges to simulate lung tissue!
It would have been cool to see Paul, HickoK 45 andNutinfancy school all the young tubers- together in a vid together- my opinion as a nobody……..
This gun DOES fit my hand better than this one...
Paul and Nutnfancy are the pioneers of gun tube.
Been watching nutn since 2008 or so
@@monocogenit1 I’ve watched Nutn since 2007, he was my first gun reviewer and channel.
Been watching nutn since I was in 6th grade, I'm 28 now
Did Nutn give any comment or props to Paul ????
You boys forget about Jeff n boge…there the og’s…rip Jeff Quinn..Pual harrel..I hope lav is ok…
The SFAR needs way more than 4 gas settings.
@@bostonblunt That was completely unrelated. If you need a place to release your schizophrenic buildup, Reddit is probably a better place for you.
I put the rifle speed gas system interestingly enough before you put out your video but your review validated my purchase. I just have mine at 1 click up from running M80 to give me a degree of security that it will run all flavors of M80 and steel case.
Welcome home son...
@bostonblunt Dude you need to make a doctors appt asap! Don’t walk around embarrassing yourself like this take care of that shyt WTF
@@bostonblunt the fuck are you talking about???
This is one of the channels that helped introduce me to firearms as a young A1C 15 years ago. Appreciate the content nutn.
I have a newer production (2024) SFAR 308 16”. I had a couple miss feeds during first 100rd break in and not one ever since.
Over 500rds plus fired now mostly unsuppressed , maybe 100ish suppressed with hybrid 46.
Hate seeing guys having issues with the SFAR’s I just love mine and it runs like a champ.
The accuracy is good for 16” barrel I hammer steel 300 yards plus with ACOG sight with ease. On the bench 100 yards with good quality ammo 1.5” group is very do-able
Its a skill(iq)= issue.
You’re 58??!! No freakin way 😮
You haven’t aged one day since I first started watching your stuff maybe 15 years ago ✊🏻
The curse of the desert. Thanks for the vid guys.
steppe climate
Found that the SFAR prefers 165 grain or above. Zero failures to extract or eject loading the heavier ammo. Always run at gas level 2. This baby loves Federal 180 match grade, put a hundred rounds downrange last weekend zero issues. Absolutely love this weapon, easy carry, heavy hitter.
Just get Springfield m1a and forget about all that aluminum crap
@@Jaycv-dq3rg3x the price though
@@Jaycv-dq3rgtalk about a trash gun…
@@flywheel986 , mine loves Hornady Black 168 gr.
I just can’t make myself shoot 100 rounds of 308 at today’s prices.. @ $1.50 a round or more, that’s $150+ .. FML such bullshiete.. My Adams Arms SF308 AR10 (DPMS G2 pattern) hasn’t been out of the house in several years at this point.. I could afford it I guess and I have enough 308 put away to send 100 down range, I just can’t enjoy it.. I dunno how or what bros are thinking with all these new 6mm AR pattern rifles that eat $3+ per round.. If I got one for free I’d just give it away
Nothing like going out with some buds and running a drill. My and mine headed out in the AZ desert for a Sgt. Chapman drill...2 bunkers... attack up hill, take bunker one...neutralize bunker 2. Bases on USAF Combat Controller Sgt John Chapman's posthumous Medal of honor actions during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan in 2002. Reportedly the first Medal Of Honor action ever recorded, (see the UA-cam video), was recorded by drone overhead. Assume story. This man was a stud above all studs and saved scores of his brothers that day.
I respect the legend that is nutnfancy and that you're still out here getting it done....but what in the firearms handling batman!
Im rocking a PSA PA-10 Gen 3. Currently outfitted with a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40. But in box have the newer Venom 3-15x44mm FFP that I'm going to mount on in the Diamondback's place. Its a bit on the heavy side, even with having the 18" barrel. But I got it in .308. Going to be taking it to the range next weekend, supposedly out to 800 yards. I have a variety of ammo that I have purchased over the years to run through it, different hubting loads from various manufacturers, have some boat tail FMJ that I'm going to try. Hopefully no issues. Going to be using a mix of 20 round P-Mag and 10 with 5 round plates installed, since I'm limited to 5 rounds in a semi-auto for hunting out herw in Nebraska.
Glad to see you popping up in my feed again
I’ve seen a lot of military guys carry a paint can opener for extracting stuck cases.
small screw drivers tend to be smaller and lighter, is what me and my guys had.
@@xxxlonewolf49
but the paint can opener has a bottle opener on it
@@unkulwilly a fair point, but how often have you needed a bottle opener?
Small flathead
*Laughs derisively in muzzle-loader*
You can't get a stuck case if there IS NO CASE!
I had a del-ton sport lite, i believe it was called. It was under $400 when i bought it new. I put a $50 1.5-4x/w illum. chevron reticle with an elevation post below it(pretty sick for how cheap it was, lol), 45° offset iron sights, put a heavier buffer tube on it, added a metal free float quad rail, polished the trigger, feed ramp, breach, and all non coated metal contact points, put a comfy grip and foregrip, and a sling on it, then finished with ultra flat camo paint, all for under $550 and it was a monster. Trusted it absolutely 100% . I love doing extreme budget builds that run like they cost 5 grand.
Have experience with 2 SFARs, both 16" 308. Dad picked one up last year and shot good enough I got one as well. Both guns had maybe 3-4 mals in first 100rnds but afterwards no malfunctioning in 200-300 rnds. No surplus ammo though, all either premium factory or handloads. Handloads have been max load 165gr sierra, it loves em.
But what good is it realy if it can't handle surplus??
@MyMd1111 I don't really shoot surplus, so I guess the better question is ....what good is surplus? This isn't a run 500rnds a session gun, that's what we have 5.56, 22, 9mm and such for. You're not suppressing anymore with 30.06 and .308, this is a GP/DMR role filler and to use other than that is a waste. While I see what fancy was testing here with a 3x optic that's also a waste on a rifle such as this. The SFAR as a whole may be a junk rifle in factory configuration, I'm just saying my sample size of 2 has been great. I do think for a couple hundred bucks a rifle speed gas block would fix most problems still cheaper and lighter than the competition.
@@gaswamper1479 you kidding me? If it can't eat 147gr NATO it's worthless.
@duroisgawd maybe it can, I don't know, I said I haven't shot surplus ammo through because I haven't found a need to. It's ate everything I've put through it, but I trust my life to my reloads and have the means to produce enough to fill my needs. If your main concern is something shoots shitty ammo with no tuning just run a Mosin or something.....I don't know what else to tell ya.
@@gaswamper1479 Will try the rifle speed
Good hands on testing and like this new Audie Murphy drill. Bring back memories from your old Sledge Hammer and Trench drills. Keep up the good work. 👍
At 12:18 you can clearly see the hammer pin is almost out! How did both guys not see this and correct? I'm surprised the rifle fired at all......
Good eye, I see it now I went back and it is almost out
Right?! It’s amazing that it continued to run! How did TWO guys, LOOKING AT A MALFUNCTION, not see that?? I can understand not noticing it while shooting and looking down range but NOT when the rifle has malfunctioned and you are looking for a problem! Especially when viewers of the video see it right away!
28:31 you can clearly see that it is STILL sticking out well into the 2nd guy shooting the drill!
@@GrumpyGenXGramps So right! I was almost desperate for one of them to see it! I waited in disbelief for the rest of the video for Nutn' to explain what happened- but no.........???????????
@@GrumpyGenXGramps I'm guessing the hammer was tilted inside and putting extra pressure on the carrier, it still may need to have the chamber polished though.
Glad you’re still doing it, Nutn! 🤙🏼
Paul is indeed a legend. His work needs to be preserved and archived for future generations. 🙏 😢
I bet the PA10 runs like a champ. I had such high hopes for the SFAR, but It's proven to be completely unreliable garbage that I'm not even sure what to do with now. Thanks for putting out all these years. Always entertaining content.
Missed you so much haven’t seen your videos in almost 8 years
I have that same CZ P10 F. Very accurate.
CZ makes good stuff for sure!!
I’ve been craving some of these run and gun drill videos. I really always enjoyed the multi part run and gun testing and review vids! Thanks for keeping them going
Man I always wanna go do stuff like this but man this year has been murder… me and my wife both got laid off and completely wrecked our finances… learned a hard lesson this year… when a company says we’re doing great and no layoffs for 18 months… get ready to be laid off in 3… total bullshit man… but anyway… good video Nutn!
Renounce your American citizenship become Mexican and then come back to live like a king
What work do you guys do? Im a welder and ive been unemployed against my will for 1 month since 2008.
@ I’m a painter and I’m back at Lockheed Martin now. My wife started her own business. She’s a virtual assistant.
I don't know if I'm seeing things, but it looks like the hammer pin is sticking way out to the right. If that's the case, the hammer will be misaligned and dragging too much on the carrier, sapping the strength of the carrier moving back and forth.
That bunker target setup is SO COOL! Nutn bringing the knowledge year after year! Bless ya!
Have had similar malfunctions with my SFAR as documented on my channel. The lethargic ejection and occasional jam of the next round ended up being a failed ejector on the bolt. I ended up having the barrel replaced due to accuracy problems and poor machining. Definitely 2 places I would check. Awesome drill though fellas!
I wonder if your hard jam(s) were ammo related. Of course with new manufactured federal ammo case OAL should be fine. But that kind of jam is usually what we see with relaoaded ammo that has not been full length resized (or what they call pushing the shoulder back) so that the case has insufficient headspace and the bcg is actually hammering the round into the chamber which then becomes compressed and super tight. When this happens any gun will fail to eject the fired case. The shucking of the case head groove is also telltale - that and needing to hammer the action open. Just a thought.
There is a reason so many people, even though they bitch about it sometimes, highly advocate 5.56 as the primary caliber everyone should train with.
Modernized 30 carbine is the next hotness.......I feel it.
An EBR-esque chassis for an M1 carbine *might* not make me vomit
@@wishuhadmynameDidn't Inland try something like that?
@@georgewhitworth9742 If they did, I've probably repressed it
@@wishuhadmynamethey make an EBR for it I believe
Lol no
Those are the SAME malfunctions I experienced in my first shots. I wonder if people will blame you in the comments like they blame me in my first shots video. They say I caused the malfunctions. Or that I don’t know what I’m doing. Same with my RFB malfunctions video.
I run a micro 5x with an offset red dot. I have 6 micro 3x prisms on other guns. I did do a video on the 5x prism setup if you’re curious what that looks like. I need to get a P-10.
Awesome drills! I love my P10F! My buddy has an SFAR that has gassing issues he needs to get addressed. Other than that, it's a great shooting rifle!
It's not a great shooting rifle if it has gas issues...its a piece of crap...poorly manufactured piece of crap for over 1k dollars
I hate how low his body armor is. Why is nobody helping this old timer
@@ZZTful gone senile 😭
At 3:00 that’s pretty much it. Red dot guys even are just done. You NEED magnification to even find a target.
If all you shoot is known distance ranges, with either bright white paper targets or painted steel, and you know exactly where it is, in good lighting conditions, you are greatly overestimating your combat effectiveness in the real world.
A guy at 100 yards just wearing khaki slacks and an olive green polo shirt will disappear if he doesn’t want to be seen.
You can absolutely get HITS with irons or a red dot out to distance. A freshly painted, high contrast steel silhouette out to 300-400yds isn’t any trouble to hit with a dot or irons on a brightly lit day. But in real world conditions, you won’t even be able to find it.
My eyes were opened in my first rifle match. I was the only guy shooting no magnification (just had an Aimpoint). Everyone else had LPVO or dot/magnifier. There would be a row of 8” plates on a wooden berm at 150-175yds. You needed to get one hit on each. I couldn’t tell you that there WERE even plates on the berm, much less how many. I could just aim to hit a bit above the wood where they said the plates were and send shots. Occasionally I’d get a DING!
I changed my setup since then. Went with a 3x PA microprism. Much more effective.
with my sfar that has 100 rounds on level 3, i havent jammed except for the first 2 shots that i shot. very great platform
The stoppages are maybe because the bolt is lighter than on the regular AR308. The fact they reduced the bolt size for compactness also decreased the bolt inertia (generated force movement backward-forward). This lack of inertia is probably what cause the round to not eject or feed correctly. losing weight to the detriment of reliability is not a good deal.
I would be curious to see how different the cycling would go with an heavier bolt and maybe a longer buffer tube/spring that would delay a little bit the cycling.
Running through the backlogs of vids. I may be somewhat lucky, since I've had 0 malfunctions with my 16" SFAR. I haven't treated it nicely either. Not cleaned with 300 rounds through it. Ran max gas as per the manual required number (200 rds) and set it to 2 after that. It does like 165gr best, but ran lighter factory loads just fine. Every manufacturer has been having issues with new stuff these past few years. No doubt the economy being down is part of it.
A cleaning rod down the barrel works for stuck brass.
@@paulstoyek381 thank god you’re here
Thanks you for the video. Always loving the drills
My (now) wife bought me an SFAR with her employee discount because I was constantly complaining to her how heavy and tiring it was to get out to my hunting spot with my SCAR 17S, and that I really wanted to get something better for hauling my ass through a swap in the dark for opening whitetail so once I found the right ammo (pretty close in grains to what everyone else in the commets says) it has been flawless with my silencerCo Omega (also used it on the SCAR 17S) its effectively just as accurate with the same knockdown energy and it hasnt failed me yet. Got my first shot on a buck in my 33 years of life and it did exactly as i would expect even used to the ruggedness of the SCAR 17 system. Best 800 bucks I never spent, went with ffp vortex instead of 648 acog, lol
Love the field exercises!
Same issue I had with my SR 556 back in the day.
3rd shot out of mine had a ripped case. knocked it out with a cleaning rod and kept shooting. never an issue since. i chalked it up to a brand new rifle with sharp edges.
I was just talking with a friend about Ruger we were saying it seems there quality has dropped some
Yeah for the last 15 years or so
Ruger’s quality has been questionable for a long time. Around 2009, the joke every time a new Ruger model was released was that the tag line was “recall pending…”
Love seeing some run and gun again, thanks!
Sfar with riflespeed gas block and a silencers has been good to go. Setting 4 with the silencer and setting 10 without. 20in 308 sfar ROCKS
The hat is the best gear item
I made a few modifications to my sfar. I have the 16" 308 version. I swapped the muzzle break for a 4 prong surefire flash hider, Radian charging handle and safety selector, geiselle buffer spring and heavier buffer weight to soak up the recoil and Magpul acs stock sling and foregrip, a Primary Arms 1-6 Nova mounted on an American Defense recon mount and a Cloud Defensive light. Several hundred rounds in this configuration with 0 issues. I'm looking at getting the forward control design rod system to clear any jams like these.
Have an SFAR 20 inch, 2 malfunctions since new. Hundreds of rounds through it. Locks back, ejects fine etc etc. Both jams were with the same ammo too... so as good as any rifle out there in my opinion.
I have a 20 too. It didn’t like 7.62 out of the box, but after a break in period, it’s been pretty reliable for me. I wonder if the 20 is better gassed
@markf19 That seems to be the case. I know of a couple of guys that shortened their 20s to 18, and they have been running reliably too. So maybe that could be a happy medium for those thinking of getting one.
In case of an emergency, the enemy will wait for you to clear your gun! Or just carry two SFARs!
I had a really good friend of mine who is also an Ace gunsmith make a few changes on my 16-inch SFAR like the trigger, handguard, and a superlative adjustable gas block and it has been 100% reliable and I know dudes who swapped the factory adjustable gas block with a riflespeed gas block with great success. Hopefully, Ruger will come out with a Gen 2 SFAR that fixes all issues that some SFAR owners have.
I would never buy ruger again after they refused to replace mine...mine was prolly the worst example of anybodys..after the 3rd time going back and trying this and that and this and that I threw my hands up...I wasnt ab to buy a whole nother gas system for that peice of crap...my bolt was showing damage from short dwell time or extreme over gassing or something just wasnt right w the barrel extension or chamber idk
@@Gmny1MOA it seems that customer service and qc have taken a hit in the last decade. I hear lots of complaints about smith and Wesson too. Everyone brought up production but the quality went down imo. I personally prefer older firearms. They were built better.
@@erroneous6947 exactly...and you got someone that spent 1400 bucks on something and all you got it "send it back here's an RMA" for me that was a major inconvenience...the place I have to take it to ship it was over an hr away...then I spent all that money on ammo...they wouldn't reimburse my ammo either that I wasted "breaking it in" or testing out different brands and weights of ammo
I'm on my second SFAR, one 2022 and now one 2024. Both have the same problem.. Unfortunately it seems to be a faulty design.
Thanks Guys, NF ,That Primary Arms SLX3 is Fantastic!
Great vid Nutn. Thanks
RIP Paul Harrell
Damn.. been watching Nutn for years.. and had no idea that we are the same age!
@@dreadnaughttactical me too
@@dreadnaughttactical I thought he was way older than I am, but he only has me by 4 years. Now I really feel old. 😂
I always carry a cleaning rod for this exact malfunction. Tempted to only use A2 stocks so I have a dedicated place to put it along with a replacement bolt
Nutn I'm really surprised you don't have an ar10 chest rig set up
The Primary arms slx 3x is so slept on. One of the best of all time for prism/ dot. I got one in 762x39/ 300 reticle as well. thing is spot on. Lpvo is better forsure but this is so light , capable and durable
Oddly enough my SFAR was under gassed with M118 and would not cycle reliably. A borescope showed the GB port was way smaller than the barrel port even when wide open. Threw on a cheap adjustable Aero GB and now it runs great...
I gave you a thumbs up on youtube, but ill be watching this on RUMBLE. Keep up the great work. Ltc.
Great vid as always
All you need is a Sig Sauer 716i Snakebite SE with a Primary Arms GLX 4-16x50 First Focal Plane and a good bipod. IF YOU CAN FIND ONE. :)
Very cool deal sir
Two of my hunting buddies have SFAR rifles, both are run suppressed. One is a 16" and the other a 20", both have done the same thing more than once out pig hunting. We keep a carbon fiber rod in the truck now.....
Looking forward to the PA 10 video. Thanks for this video.
rough chamber?
Looking forward to this drill on different arms😊
So I got a CMMG 24” endeavor mk3 in 308 for shtf, recently I was getting crazy malfunctions with multiple different types of ammo, gunsmith examined it and just replaced the buffer spring, saying it was way too heavy. We will see if that works…
When you say "normal position" gas setting what do you mean? SFARs are shipped out from the factory at gas setting 3 (full gas) which is not what you want to shoot. It will tear brass up and lead to stuck casings in the chamber especially with 7.62X51 ball ammo. Gas setting 2 is the one you wantto use, its in the manual.
This dude doesn't read manuals. If you watch his 516 video you can tell he has difficulty with reading manuals and setting gas settings with a piston rifle.
308 is setting 2, 7.62 is setting 3
@@Bedlam_6makes no sense.
@@alanmeyers3957 308 is higher pressure. I talked with Ruger.
He's even got tactical knee pads. Would a pokey thing have helped on clearing that brass? Like a cleaning rod?
I have a 1965 Inland 30 carbine. I would not want to get shot by it. I have heard a lot of people say it was underpowered, but that would be my go to over a 45 tommygun or M1Garrand if I was having to carry all over EU back then.
I knew a ww2 paratrooper and he loved it, but said the garand did a better job. He said there was a german trying to get into a tank and he kept running back and forth getting shot each time, he took the equivalent of a whole magazine before he dropped.
Ive got a new sfar and so far Ive ran 180rds of M80 PPU on gas#3 with no problems. Granted Im still breaking in the rifle but so far it runs good.
My SFAR seems to like speer 150 grain gold dots I have maybe 200 rounds through it so far and not a single malfunction yet
Redeeming quality of the m1a scout squad, mine has never jammed or had reliability issues. It is a heavy gun though, very old school.
Machine gun mounts have basically a grid and pointer. So you map out the real area to the mount grid and pointer (T&E). Then a spoter can say fire at sector. This let's you fire without looking.
Would be curious to see how the POF Rogue handles this course. Figure the E2 extraction would help prevent stuck cases like this on the Rogue.
While there may be something intangible about the desert that makes things break down there is also something similar about the arctic: when the Canadian military was conducting trials for which rifle to adopt the HK G36 functioned flawlessly everywhere except the arctic.
Also I hope you had permission from the farmer to shoot his "tractor" (swather).
my sfar 20" likes LC m80 and my hot reloads, everything else had either function issues or accuracy issues, I also found cleaning the gas system after 100 rounds helps. I managed just under 2 moa with a lpvo. gas on 2. I ran lead gas checks as a hoot, gas on 0 , managed 2-3 moa
So the question for Mr. Nuttin is, what is a good reliable .308 long range rifle.
@@jamestorres4705 Aero Precision M5 reliable! Mine is an 18 in barrel, 16 would be the better-lighter option.
Scar 17. All the 308 AR10s I've owned have had reliability issues as the rifles matured, esp if ran with a silencer. Both of my Scar 17s have been shot exclusively suppressed with Surefire silencers and have never had a jam.
Any mention of Paul Harrell's passing here, a tribute ?.
I always have a paint can opener tied on my kit for this very malfunction.
I wonder about keeping aluminum/brass rods cut to length to store on your system, that you can stack in barrel, and smack on to clear stuck round.
The curse of the AR10 persists. So many have tried to streamline/lightweight the AR 308 platform, and so many have failed. I was really hoping that a big name like Ruger would turn that tide but it isn't looking good. I think if you want to run 308 in an AR, just go with the Armalite or DPMS/SR25 platform and deal with the bulk and weight.
Pof usa did it. Mine weighs 6lbs unloaded without an optic. The bcg is the same size as a 556 bcg. Its streamlined and lightweight, and accurate as hell.
@@AEtrane That Sig 716i is a great option in 308
@16:57& @17:17 did y'all hear the ricochets, too? No response from Nut after the shots so maybe just a mic thing?
What’s with your ejection pattern? About half of them are ejecting at about 1:00-1:30
Cuz Everyone Carries a Rifle Rest That's Why... Great Seeing Your Reviews Again as Airways
Anectodally, I believe NATO ammo has a thicker case than commercial ammo. When reloading it’s common to get higher pressures from the NATO cases due to the smaller internal volume. Could be the thinner commercial cases are separating? I have a few battle rifles and they don’t do this, but I shoot milsurp ammo or reloaded milsurp cases.
Id seriously consider re visiting the NEW daniel defense dd5v4! Its a big change over the old one. I got rid of my old one right away. The new ones are real nice!
i get the bunker window, but can someone explain to me how a 5"x 12" steel target hanging horizontal wouldn't create the same experience?
Good video. Remember those who are gone.
Thank you
Mine had the exact same problem. Ruger polished the chamber, and it has not happened since then. You should also try the gas on setting 2. The instructions tell you to use 3 for a while during break in which is the setting it comes in the box, but 2 is supposed to be the normal operating setting without a suppressor.
Yours may do one thing and someone else's acts completely different...as for me I got a complete lemon and lost alot of money on it
@@Gmny1MOA You didn't send it back to Ruger?
Failure to extract because of a a stuck casing could be a tight chamber or ammo related casing that are a little bit to long in the neck
I had a armalite ar10 have terrible stuck case issues out of the box. Sent it back. They claimed all they did was chamber hone it. Check headspace and maybe give honing a try? Unless you decide to send it for warranty. Thanks!
Good Job
The SFAR has always had a gasing issue most people swap out the factory gas block for the riflespeed which gives you 10 setting to tune the gas to run reliably.
The bolt is not up to snuff either...too thin for the beating a 308 dishes out
@@Gmny1MOA if you look at the lugs they are longer front to back so they can bear more pressure this is what Sig Saur and POF did with their firearms as well, so the thinner walls aren't of concern.
I just run extra gas, rather have it cycle and have a shorter life imo. I don't put enough rounds like nutnfancy through my deer gun.
I had the same situation with mine and the conclusion was faulty ammo and not a gun problem. Unfortunately, the SFAR has received a lot of negative publicity by many people that did not break in the rifle properly.
@@thesaint1517 you can't break in something that is broken out of the box...period point blank thats just the way it is...other ppl have problems I'm glad you didn't or haven't "YET" it will fail you eventually
So, what’s your diagnose for cause of feed problem &in Ruger?
What, no "taking cover" when reloading? For shame sir, for shame! Run the drill again!
Really liked the SR556/762.
What happened to them?
I love my sr 556 . I have an old DSA gas trap carbine, and it’s good too. I love my piston guns .
Rugers have declined over the last 10 years. I gave up on getting my LCP, Wrangler, Precision in .308, and the MPR fixed. I sold them off. They put zero effort into finishing work.