@@shuatock8216 I compared Edelgard to Dimitri when they came out after a 1 year break, and knew She was instantly better just to find everyone and their mother was saying pick Dimitri. (All I saw was 80% DR and I was like "Im in!" because I know good how DR is from other games and Dimitri has a HORRIBLE RES STAT THAT SOMEHOW PEOPLE DIDNT SEE AT ALL!.)
@@twobrosgamers8426 it’s interesting. You put it very accurately, but I have to admit, that I was one of the fools who didn’t take that seriously enough. Somehow, I feel like everybody got the impression that Dimitri was good at everything, and that his res was a bit of a fixer upper, well… I think something we all came to learn was that no, you can’t just “fix” res
Yeah, in fact I started playing two months before they came out, and it is really insane the fact they're getting refines soon But yeah, CYL units get they refines sooner You can see how many Special Units from early days of the game still don't have refines Or even some normal units like Flora ( rn I don't know if that's her name, but she's the older sister of Farina and... Florina, I guess )
@@azure3257 Yeah, I think that's it But when I think Fora I remember Xenoblade Chronicles xD So I don't know exactly I do know she's got a ton of Res, though 40 or something like that ( but I'm not sure if that 40 Res was on a level 40+ unit from Hall of Forms or something like that )
I would not hold my breath too much. IS has really strong preferences with 3houses lords, so we will probably get broken Edelgard again with mediocre everyone else.
@@robink8317 I meant that they heavily favor Edelgard compared to the other two. When was the last time Dimitri or Claude were as game-breaking as F! Or B! Edelgard?
@@robink8317 I meant that they heavily favor Edelgard compared to the other two. When was the last time Dimitri or Claude were as game-breaking as F! Or B! Edelgard?
My problem is them skipping over like almost every Book III and lots of Book II units that deserve it more, plus no prfs for 2nd place units and outdated prfs for first place winners. Like, imagine Book V refines next year. No thanks, except maybe Gatekeeper. The thing is, I think refine batches need to increase in size to fit the powercreep pace of today's age. After Book IV refines which I won't mind, I want them to just remix old brave units like legendaries and give the second place winners a prf instead of being punished for winning less than 1st place, but not losing enough to win 1st next year.
I need hope, what do you think will be given to Og Byleth? Creator Sword was so good until BOOM null follow up is on every sword. Byleth lasted long for the uniqueness of NFU and Spurn at the same time, so I hope creator sword gets something really special
The batch sizes need to at least be doubled IMO. Might at least offer the ability to rerefine bad refines like with Selena's Blade which just offers +10 damage on special proc.
@@shuatock8216 I just accidentally deleted my entire comment so I'll keep it short... I feel like nowadays, FEH is just giving units effects based on what makes them meta-relevant more than they used to, so I'd like them to instead choose from some of these effects that I think would represent Byleth pretty well: Possible conditions- - If unit initiates combat or unit is within 2 spaces of an ally.. Possible effects- - If unit deals damage to foe during combat, restores 7 HP to unit. (Crest of Flames + Divine Pulse undoing damage) - After combat, inflicts Special cooldown count+1 on target and foes within 2 spaces of target and grants Special cooldown count-1 to unit. (Divine Pulse reseting the foes' and unit's actions by manipulating time) - If unit initiates combat and unit's Spd > foe's Spd or foe uses sword, lance, axe, beast, or dragonstone damage, foe cannot counterattack. (2 range + Crest of Flames' rare chance to block counters + Windsweep which Byleth learns) - If foe initiates combat and unit's Spd > foe's Spd or unit's HP ≤ 75%, unit can counterattack before foe's first attack. (Byleth and other mercenaries/sword wielders have a heavy focus on Vantage, and Byleth has access to skills like Battalion Vantage, too) - Unit can counterattack regardless of foe's range. (2 range)* - At start of turn, if Special cooldown count is at its maximum value, grants Special cooldown count-1. (Divine Pulse reseting unit's actions by manipulating time)* *M!Byleth already has these effects which would make it weird, but I figured it was worth mentioning.
It's hard for me to imagine any of these units getting bad refines considering none of the CYL refines have been bad imo (except maybe Lyn? more outdated than bad though, but Sacae's Blessing always carried her regardless). More refines means more divine dew that I won't have! 💀I wish it was easier to get.
With the amount of refines given out a month EVERY month, they need to give out like 100x more dew. I only have enough to refine one weapon a month now 💀
It'd be cool if we got CYL 2nd Place Remixes instead of CYL 4 Refines, like, give the CYL 1 and CYL 2 Second Places Prf Skills and maybe a new skill like with Legendary/Mythic Remixes.
Imo Lysithea having a really high speed with a guaranteed follow up is still extremely potent. The problem is just theres not many ways to set her up unless you have something like winter bernadetta
How to save Cyl4 units Brave Dimitri: give him a mix Legendary and Summer Dimitri effects and Spring Maria true DR Brave Edelgard: give null follow up and atk/def near save Brave Claude: give spd preempt and a small fallen star Brave Lysithea: 🤡
Still one of my favorite parts of Brave Claude is how hilariously good he is with Guard. If he gets his healing, he can constantly keep Guard in both phases.
Screwed myself and picked Lysithea because I liked her character better than any of the lords. I probably will continue to let her sit in my box unless she gets an absolutely insane refine.
Yea…but a lot of mages can do the same these days, I mean, Summer micaiah also has brave (with effective damage against cavalry and ARMORS, and damage reduction). Duo Lysithea herself can do the same if you manage to stack some speed (she also has slaying)
@@zinn1as Brave Lysithea only has the effect against cavs on her hand,the other effects can be blocked by other skills In a way,Brave Lysithea is not close to Arvis and Hilda,not even to Hugh or some red mages without prf like Pelleas or Erk.
@@matmil5 to tip the scales yet again over to OP’s side I hope B!Edlegard gets a nice ass refine. IS doesn’t go around saying “alright bois this batch of refines we need one super good one, two eh ones, and one trash refine”. Even if your wish of Edie getting the worst refine came true that doesn’t change the fate of the refine your favored CYL is gonna get, all that does is gimp Edie. Wishing for the detriment of another unit instead of a buff for your favorite unit is kinda tacky ngl.
so i may be coping with this but what if lythisea gets the berny chip and +1 move, refrencing the dark magics cavs from 3h her other good class in that game. that would probably make her quite the solid cav line unit as you could set up an instant aoe plus her general high damage output and doubling through followup negation to do a lot of damage to save units or outright kill them. or she gets something like hatari karla with slaying special spiral and double time pulse turn 1 to spam out lunas or with her auto followup or with time pulse in c getting into instant aoe on her own.
Dimitri needs it the most, I hope he gets an adaptive tanking skill (changes magical damage to melee damage) or something else that makes his DC more useful.
B!Lysithea should get either an enemy phase desperation so she can become one of the best Vantage units in the game, or get true damage based on Atk or Spd so she can be the first mage to run the true damage + AoE builds that units like B!Alm and L!Dimitri can run so well. But I wouldn't mind if Ophelia is the one getting the second effect. But I'm sure that she's probably going to get a Tempo effect instead...
@@devincetee5335 She's probably going to get some effect aside from the increase/decrease of stats as it often happens. Something very strong that I hadn't thought of is an anti damage reduction effect like the one that L!Nana has. A bunch of people where saying that had she been a ranged unit she would have become a must have for summoner duels, so that could make B!Lysithea much better.
Edelgard definitely is the one that needs a refine the least. She is still top tier to this day, with her great stats and uniqueness of being more mobile than infantry units. I'm guessing they will give Dimitri's weapon an effect that lowers the enemy's atk and def. Not sure where they will go with this, as it's a DC weapon, and the refines for those are just OK or so. Claude needs anti guard, which is an effect that exists already, and anti fatal wounds, which would be a first. Also, NFU, anti flier effectiveness, and CC. He needs a lot for his niche to work... I bet some of the effects I listed will show up on his weapon, especially null guard. I disagree, I think Lysithea is more usable than the guys. Setting up is ofc not the easiest thing, but she is a killer if she can manage to do so. The effect essentially is a form of NFU, since she has such great speed.
I want my B!Claude refine i don’t really care if this means Book 5 refines will come soon i just want to use him without him just getting screwed over by the current meta units
Dimitri Refine - work similar to Spring Maria weapon + Null C disrupt Edelgard Refine - Damage reduction on 1st Attack Claude refine - Tempo skill + NFU Lysithea refine - inf. Desperation + NFU + True Damage
what im expecting from best to worst. Dimitri: probably going to get something pretty crazy so he can finally have a spotlight, he'll probably have the most effects but it could be anything. Edel will probably get something crazy like an auto galeforce how her other variants get or built in save of some kind. Claude i think is the most desperate for a good refine because currently fatal smoke reduces him to an average at best unit. plus ranged flier skill restrictions are intense so if his refine isnt more than just damage reduction or something he's going to be in trouble. im hoping for a "unit attacks twice" and null follow up. Lysithia will probably get 1 chip damage on herself and allies and something crazy like a blade tome effect or dominance.
CYL4 units getting their refines before their base versions that came out like a year prior is a terrifying thought. The only potentially good thing that can come out of that is the pre-timeskip lords (and Lysithea) getting better weapons than the post-timeskip lords (and Lysithea) which would be really funny
Here is my ranking list of which CYL4 units need a weapon refine the most. (From least desirable to most wanted weapon refine in need) 4. Brave Edelgard: Brave Edelgard is already a good unit on her own because she is very great during enemy phases because of her damage reduction skill and she can move two spaces and inflict atk/def-6 on her foes as long as she is above 25% HP. On top of that, she can easily be a threat in Enemy Phases by having her use AD near or far save and the steady or warding breath seal. Therefore, she is a unit that needs a weapon refine the least. 3. Brave Claude: Brave Claude is also a good unit on his own because he can heal himself by 50% of the damage dealt using a special. He does tend to struggle against bow units such as Legendary Lyn, Valentines Chrom, Legendary Alm, Legendary Chrom, etc. His A skill can be replaced with close counter as he still performs great without the use of Fury 4. Brave Claude doesn't need a weapon refine too badly. 2. Brave Lysithea: Brave Lysithea is a speed-reliant Red Tome user that is made to destroy Cavalry units with her base weapon alone. However, she is easily overshadowed by Winter Duo Lysithea, despite being able to easily destroy Winter Duo Lysithea as long as Brave Lysithea attacks first. Brave Lysithea also Naturally struggles against Bulky Tome units like Plumeria in her base Kit by default as well as Fallen Male Morgan. Brave Lysithea, therefore, is one of the units that needs a weapon refine in need. 1. Brave Dimitri: Brave Dimitri is a special case because he is possibly the first unit in Fire Emblem Heroes that has damage reduction that is calculated by having higher defense than his foes. His base kit along with his Blue Lion Rule skill is an interesting concept that made me wish that there are also skills that are like Brave Dimitri's Blue Lion Rule. Sadly to this day, Brave Dimitri got easily overthrown in terms of Defense stats, making his value as a unit dropped down. The only few ways for Brave Drimiti to be able to keep up with today's units without changing his weapon is to either give him Atk/Def Menace and Bonus Doubler 3 seal or Give him a Steady Breath Seal and give him joint drive atk (or def) as shown by one of Zeshado's builds. Therefore, Brave Dimitri is the Number One CYL4 unit that needs a weapon refine in need in order for him to be much more valuable than before. That is all I have got to say.
I forgot Lysithea even existed. She definitely needs something good since she has nothing going for her right now. Dimitri was dead on arrival. Claude at least saw some play.
Hoping Bedel becomes the next Bector kappa (whatever comes for her i built her as a Far-saver so I'm not getting the full benefits of her refine lol) but really i want IS to not sloack off on these refines when they gave the CYL3 crew good refines for everyone
My hopes: Edelgard get near save built into her weapon. dimitri get attack def unity or deflect magic plus atk def -6. Claude +5 all stats and special spiral. lysithea get fury, hardy bearing and 30% damage reduction.
It would be nice for claud to get some really nice treatment but I have a feeling IS is gonna give edelgard everything and more cuz they know she can make bank with her sheer existence
Out of these 4 I would say Brave Edelgard has the most potential to get a super good refine, I don't think IS would dare give her a bad refine on purpose. The only brave units to ever get bad refines were Brave Camilla and Brave Veronica because to no ones surprise both units are staff users. Offense focused Staff units were a huge mistake to add to FEH as they were so unbalanced, that's why IS gave both these units very weak refines.
@@jimraynorraider2572 Her B skill was the reason for that, being able to block sword, axe and lance units with distant counter was so OP back when Lyn and Reinhardt were terrorizing the arena back in the first year.
For Dimitri, I hope he gets speed damage reduction in his weapon. He's pretty quick, so it could work, and it would just stack reduction if he is faster and has more def. For Edelgard, I'm not sure what they could give her because she's still pretty good. For Claude, remove the 2 square or initiate requirement for the healing, and give him the anti guard and null follow up. For Lysithea, give her the bernie 1 damage. And it would be kinda cool if they do a "if foes hp < 75% inflicts -6 speed and res" or something to almost reverse her >75 hp effect.
Edelgard really doesn't need one but will likely get the best of the 4. Claude and Lysithea just need a few things to make their weapon much more consistent. Dimitri definitely needs something drastic to make him more than just a random melee annoyance that still gets deleted in arena modes but he has built-in Distant Counter so odds are his refine will be tame.
Dimitri... No that's it, technically speaking he's the one who's prf aged the worst out of the 4, Edelgard's still good, Claude and Lysithea have fell off relevance and belong in niches that can be improved with their refine, Dimitri's the only here who will be a full gamble going on a 90/10 odds of getting a refine that will help him out... Now that said, i'm surprised so many people cling on to his prf and try to improve his res instead of switching it for a weapon more suited for melee matchups and give him a far save, to take care of mages, he really does a lot of work as a melee unit his prf b skill helps him a lot too
I want all of then to have awesome refines tbh but i think Edelgard can be happy with simpler one, because theres not that many thing they can give her, maybe... inmune to armor weakness? That can help! Also idk movement stuff like always and +5 to all stats Dimitri would like a good refine because theres a lot of competition in his class... but sadly idk if he will get one because like you say, DC weapons are shafted most of the time so yeah... Claude NEED weapon refine alongside Lysithea, its not fair that Claude dont have his own B skill because the year after, they start giving special skills/specials/assist to the 2nd places so its really unfair but anyways, these 2, in my opinion NEED all the help they can give them Realistically, lysithea probably will have the standard +5 to all stats, maybe some debuff in atk/res/spd to the enemy or more buffs to stack and just being a player phase nuke again Claude MAYBE they can give him DR in the refine, that sounds cool
That, save armors, and the ever common hardy fighter. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that can save her is an anti DR effect similar to L!Nanna’s. This would also ironically make her one of the best mages in the game though, at least for a time.
This might be a hot take but I think B!El is the only one of the 4 that's actually still good bc I use her every TT+ but I never use Dimitri or Lysithea anymore. I don't have Calude so I can't speak for him besides saying I doubt he'll replace my L!Claude and S!Claude lol
Honestly they should just give 8-12 staff and dance characters a refine in a single update at a time. There are so many they intentionally neglected that they've all piled up now. I'm pretty sure base Azura will sell like hot cakes if she got a decent refine but IS just doesn't even seem to want to give her a refine.
Brave Edelgard is still imo the only unit that doesn't need a refine from the list as she's still probably the best aged one as well (like you said) as a solid save unit still to this very day. What she needs is either one of the following: Null Armor, DR or Hardy fighter built in, because that's seeming what IS wants to go in that direction. Claude's niche is destroyed by Fatal Smoke, he needs a new niche badly. Dimitri is outclassed by his legendary counterpart There are better mages then Brave Lysthiea, including her og variant. She needs some new stuff.
I personally would add either healing on hit or on Special Trigger, since her effects do rely on being above 25% HP. Like, I wish I could give her Att/Res Finish but it's Infantry only.
B!Edel needs a refine the LEAST out of the 4, and while i'm hoping they keep whatever they give her tame(pls don't make her a green B!Hector), I have my doubts. Not sure what they should do with the other three. Lowkey can see Lysithea's weapon getting reworked altogether(but keeping the eff vs Cavalry)
I personally disagree with putting lysethia below Claude, she's majorly outclassed but isn't bad per se; she has unique and strong aspects to her weapon, but they just don't stack up to the competition of offensive red mages. Claude, meanwhile, becomes worse the more you try to go into his niche, because special proc reliant healing just isn't good unless you have stuff like null guard or breath special charging to back it up, and even when he tries to go to a more generalist style he's completely outclassed by his legendary alt, not to mention units like ascended florina that bring actual utility to the team
Dimitri cant reliably use his unique tanking skill. Lysithea and Claude will always be decent as they are ranged units and Edel has minmaxed armor stats so she is still a threat.
I have Lysie at +10, she was actually my first +10 brave hero. As much as I love her and still think that she's hard slept on, she is definitely not in a spot I would call "Good". That said, I think she's better than both Claude and Dimitri at the moment, if only slightly. Claude needs something akin to null follow up, tempo, and damage reduction to really find his footing, made worse by him not having a Golden Deer rule, while I think that if they keep Dimitri in his DC role, he could make really nice use of Divine Tyrfings magic dr shenanigans.
I agree with Lysithea's Winter Bernadetta effect, although I still still think they don't really need the refines, except maybe for Dimitri. Claude, Lysithea and Edelgard's weapons are still pretty good, as they still follow the +3 to a stat or slaying effect, +5 to all stats or +6 to Atk/Spd or -6 to Atk Def/Res to the opponent and an additional powerful effect. In no way I've had struggle using them, if anything I just need to play smarter, which is what this game should be about, not just power through anything.
Being honest, I think B! Dimitri could end up being really good if they gave him an effect similar to the one they gave missiltain, the pseudo-revenge effect, since I've seen many people use Dimitri with Noontime and that would help him heal a bit, and handle enemy phase a lot easier. Either that or giving him slaying plus the "I heal 30% when I proc a special" would make him a really solid unit (however, that last one I don't think will be what they go for, because it's the same effect Claude has, and it wouldn't feel good to have him steal that effect). For Edelgard, well, she is already good enough as she is thanks to her B slot, and that mixed with stout makes her be a good unit, so, the only way I can see people sticking with Flower Hauteclere is giving it the effect of stout lance, but with better health range (either 25% or always active when enemy phase, but the second one would be broken). The other two, honestly I have no idea what they will do with them, because I don't know what they need to become relevant or even what would be fitting for their character
Without seeing the video I'll say pretty much only Dimitri. Lance infantry has been on decay for years ever since B!Hector released. Then B!Eliwood. Then Duessel, then B!Erika and now Jeralt and B!Chrom. Brave Dimitri is just really not that good. Being reliant on primarily wanting to increase his defense for his DR while having to deal with a trash res that makes him die to almost any mage has made him age extremely bad. How do you expect Dimitri to win defense checks against almost any tank in the game nowadays? He's by far the worst CYL4 unit if you can't activate his B skill. Brave Lysithea has gotten really outdated with all these broken new cavalry mages but at least she still has use unlike Brave Dimitri. Same goes for Claude. Even Dimitri's much better Legendary self is not that seen nowadays.
Honestly there aren't that much lance infantries. if anything, I feel like they're bad because there aren't really that many, and honestly? Even Hatari Karla being the most unqiue kinda is sad. as a L!Dimitri user that has him at +10 in FEH, he's still good as a raid boss in SD and as an arena unit as a physical specialist, but yes the save units just neutered him like every other spurn dodge user. I feel like I'll just wait for his remix because I really wish he got NFU and now either some sort of healing or Tempo
@@UlulvarCape There's very few unique Lance infantry units, it really is the truth. In all these years since 2017 I have probably encountered at least triple the amount of infantry blue dragons (even if they mostly all were Nowi) than infantry Lance units. It's sad to realise how the only Lance lords in all of fire emblem are Ephraim and Dimitri. And Ephraim promotes to a horse so Dimitri is pretty much the only infantry Lance lord in all of Fire emblem. You would think that there would be more good infantry Lance units after all these years in feh but there really aren't. It was for years just until now that Ephraim has finally gotten his resplendent. It really is sad. The only other lord I could imagine for us to get as a Lance infantry unit is a brave Sharena and I highly doubt it. They would rather give her anything else as a weapon and movement type and she's a princess, not even a lord at the moment. Congrats on that +10 L!Dimitri. He has to be amazing.
@@lordsalt7595 Oh he is. Atk/Spd unity, distant dart, Vital astra, Times pulse or even speed smoke 4 if you have askr support, or give him double solo (Atk/Spd Solo and Spd/Def Solo). He also makes for a solid galeforcer if you get rid of atrocity for Tempo or WoM
I’m glad you didn’t underrate Dimitri, he’s hardly unusable, and it seems tons of people are convinced he’s the worst CYL4 unit. People keep mentioning giving him “adaptive defense.” Which I think would be way too powerful, considering it would mean he could effectively stack Def and Res at the same time alongside Spd or Atk. It would effectively be like 30+ free stats. Yes he’s not great at distant counter, but his refine could just keep distant counter while still being melee specialized, as in it only works against opponents that calc dmg off def, or have 1 range, though the former is more likely imo. Or just give him accelerated special on any hit and slaying, as well as stats. If they gave him a way to be really bulky way too easily he’d instantly be a problem with his DC.
I say that's because a lot of people see a unit that is hitting for a niche/dedicated roll and immediately dismiss it because it's not dual phase omnitank 1HKO with zero need for extra investment
Stout axe is so good on Edie, so I'm kind of expecting her refine to have a huge amount of damage reduction as well so she can become an armored version of B!Ike.
Claude and Dimitri need refines, i thought the women were already broken enough. I'm hoping claude will get a good one since he's the only one I'm merging.
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I read this and the first one that comes to mind is Dimitri.
I remember how good he seemed when the trailer came out, and he felt like he was broken and in dire need for a refine immediately. It’s interesting
@@shuatock8216 I compared Edelgard to Dimitri when they came out after a 1 year break, and knew She was instantly better just to find everyone and their mother was saying pick Dimitri. (All I saw was 80% DR and I was like "Im in!" because I know good how DR is from other games and Dimitri has a HORRIBLE RES STAT THAT SOMEHOW PEOPLE DIDNT SEE AT ALL!.)
Lysithea moment
@@twobrosgamers8426 it’s interesting. You put it very accurately, but I have to admit, that I was one of the fools who didn’t take that seriously enough. Somehow, I feel like everybody got the impression that Dimitri was good at everything, and that his res was a bit of a fixer upper, well… I think something we all came to learn was that no, you can’t just “fix” res
I can’t believe a unit from post Covid lockdown is gonna get a refine. It feels like yesterday. I started playing in March 2020
Yeah, in fact
I started playing two months before they came out, and it is really insane the fact they're getting refines soon
But yeah, CYL units get they refines sooner
You can see how many Special Units from early days of the game still don't have refines
Or even some normal units like Flora ( rn I don't know if that's her name, but she's the older sister of Farina and... Florina, I guess )
@@dyegoeduardosantossilva3659 It’s Fiora I think?
@@azure3257 Yeah, I think that's it
But when I think Fora I remember Xenoblade Chronicles xD
So I don't know exactly
I do know she's got a ton of Res, though
40 or something like that ( but I'm not sure if that 40 Res was on a level 40+ unit from Hall of Forms or something like that )
I started getting back into FEH because of Fallen Ike (May 2020). I bought and played three houses because of the brave units
@@D1ckCh33se42 Yo, wait
Fallen Ike got on the game in May 2020?
Oh wow
I thought he was way older
B!Lysithea and B!Dimitri are two I'm looking out for
hope IS tries to let them fit into the meta somewhere
I would not hold my breath too much. IS has really strong preferences with 3houses lords, so we will probably get broken Edelgard again with mediocre everyone else.
@@narutoo6215 you realise they are all 3H characters, right?
@@robink8317 I meant that they heavily favor Edelgard compared to the other two. When was the last time Dimitri or Claude were as game-breaking as F! Or B! Edelgard?
@@robink8317 I meant that they heavily favor Edelgard compared to the other two. When was the last time Dimitri or Claude were as game-breaking as F! Or B! Edelgard?
@@narutoo6215 L! Claude has always been super meta and with vital astra L! Dimitri is arguably the strongest blue Lance right now
My problem is them skipping over like almost every Book III and lots of Book II units that deserve it more, plus no prfs for 2nd place units and outdated prfs for first place winners.
Like, imagine Book V refines next year. No thanks, except maybe Gatekeeper. The thing is, I think refine batches need to increase in size to fit the powercreep pace of today's age.
After Book IV refines which I won't mind, I want them to just remix old brave units like legendaries and give the second place winners a prf instead of being punished for winning less than 1st place, but not losing enough to win 1st next year.
I need hope, what do you think will be given to Og Byleth? Creator Sword was so good until BOOM null follow up is on every sword. Byleth lasted long for the uniqueness of NFU and Spurn at the same time, so I hope creator sword gets something really special
I'm still waiting for Surtr's refine, so I know exactly what you mean
The batch sizes need to at least be doubled IMO. Might at least offer the ability to rerefine bad refines like with Selena's Blade which just offers +10 damage on special proc.
Reinhardt, Hector (his own weapon Armads) and Olwen lack refines
@@shuatock8216 I just accidentally deleted my entire comment so I'll keep it short...
I feel like nowadays, FEH is just giving units effects based on what makes them meta-relevant more than they used to, so I'd like them to instead choose from some of these effects that I think would represent Byleth pretty well:
Possible conditions-
- If unit initiates combat or unit is within 2 spaces of an ally..
Possible effects-
- If unit deals damage to foe during combat, restores 7 HP to unit. (Crest of Flames + Divine Pulse undoing damage)
- After combat, inflicts Special cooldown count+1 on target and foes within 2 spaces of target and grants Special cooldown count-1 to unit. (Divine Pulse reseting the foes' and unit's actions by manipulating time)
- If unit initiates combat and unit's Spd > foe's Spd or foe uses sword, lance, axe, beast, or dragonstone damage, foe cannot counterattack. (2 range + Crest of Flames' rare chance to block counters + Windsweep which Byleth learns)
- If foe initiates combat and unit's Spd > foe's Spd or unit's HP ≤ 75%, unit can counterattack before foe's first attack. (Byleth and other mercenaries/sword wielders have a heavy focus on Vantage, and Byleth has access to skills like Battalion Vantage, too)
- Unit can counterattack regardless of foe's range. (2 range)*
- At start of turn, if Special cooldown count is at its maximum value, grants Special cooldown count-1. (Divine Pulse reseting unit's actions by manipulating time)*
*M!Byleth already has these effects which would make it weird, but I figured it was worth mentioning.
It's hard for me to imagine any of these units getting bad refines considering none of the CYL refines have been bad imo (except maybe Lyn? more outdated than bad though, but Sacae's Blessing always carried her regardless).
More refines means more divine dew that I won't have! 💀I wish it was easier to get.
With the amount of refines given out a month EVERY month, they need to give out like 100x more dew. I only have enough to refine one weapon a month now 💀
Cant just have a free army of updated and broken units. Gotta work for it
If anything I have more difficulty getting medals
Veronica's is very meh, in comparison to Camilla's refine.
It'd be cool if we got CYL 2nd Place Remixes instead of CYL 4 Refines, like, give the CYL 1 and CYL 2 Second Places Prf Skills and maybe a new skill like with Legendary/Mythic Remixes.
Imo Lysithea having a really high speed with a guaranteed follow up is still extremely potent. The problem is just theres not many ways to set her up unless you have something like winter bernadetta
she defo needs "at the start of turn if unit's HP = 100%, deals 1 damage to the unit" effect on herself so that she can instantly get going
Claude is prolly going to get fallen star on his refine instead of something unique and that’s super sad cause he didn’t get Golden Deer Rule.
How to save Cyl4 units
Brave Dimitri: give him a mix Legendary and Summer Dimitri effects and Spring Maria true DR
Brave Edelgard: give null follow up and atk/def near save
Brave Claude: give spd preempt and a small fallen star
Brave Lysithea: 🤡
IS watching this: Oh B.Dimitri is actually still quite good huh.
Still one of my favorite parts of Brave Claude is how hilariously good he is with Guard. If he gets his healing, he can constantly keep Guard in both phases.
Screwed myself and picked Lysithea because I liked her character better than any of the lords. I probably will continue to let her sit in my box unless she gets an absolutely insane refine.
Lysithea is slept on. She just needs to see one round of combat to get going with a push skill. Give her inf null follow up and nothing can stop her
Yea…but a lot of mages can do the same these days, I mean, Summer micaiah also has brave (with effective damage against cavalry and ARMORS, and damage reduction). Duo Lysithea herself can do the same if you manage to stack some speed (she also has slaying)
doesn't she do a guaranteed follow up before foe can counter attack?
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Correct
Brave Lysithea is dead
Even some grail red mages like Arvis,Julius and Hilda are better than her and are "free"
@@lordlopes7777 arvis and hilda are noy even CLOSE to better than lys lmfao
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Brave Lysithea only has the effect against cavs on her hand,the other effects can be blocked by other skills
In a way,Brave Lysithea is not close to Arvis and Hilda,not even to Hugh or some red mages without prf like Pelleas or Erk.
Hopefully, Lysithea gets the WBernie effect. That would make her super useful for both offensive force on turn 1 and support.
I got a +8 Brave Edelgard and I hope they do her justice. I'll still use her anyways, but it would be nice
I hope B!Edelgard gets a really good refine, I know she has aged the best, but I just hope they don't give her a B!Lyn treatment
to offset you, i hope she gets the worst refine since brave Lyn.
@@matmil5 to tip the scales yet again over to OP’s side I hope B!Edlegard gets a nice ass refine. IS doesn’t go around saying “alright bois this batch of refines we need one super good one, two eh ones, and one trash refine”. Even if your wish of Edie getting the worst refine came true that doesn’t change the fate of the refine your favored CYL is gonna get, all that does is gimp Edie. Wishing for the detriment of another unit instead of a buff for your favorite unit is kinda tacky ngl.
so i may be coping with this but what if lythisea gets the berny chip and +1 move, refrencing the dark magics cavs from 3h her other good class in that game. that would probably make her quite the solid cav line unit as you could set up an instant aoe plus her general high damage output and doubling through followup negation to do a lot of damage to save units or outright kill them. or she gets something like hatari karla with slaying special spiral and double time pulse turn 1 to spam out lunas or with her auto followup or with time pulse in c getting into instant aoe on her own.
Dimitri needs it the most, I hope he gets an adaptive tanking skill (changes magical damage to melee damage) or something else that makes his DC more useful.
Lysithea needs the most
Dimitri can still be used
Lysithea is dead
It feels surreal that in one more year we're gonna get a refined Genesis Falchion
B!Lysithea should get either an enemy phase desperation so she can become one of the best Vantage units in the game, or get true damage based on Atk or Spd so she can be the first mage to run the true damage + AoE builds that units like B!Alm and L!Dimitri can run so well. But I wouldn't mind if Ophelia is the one getting the second effect.
But I'm sure that she's probably going to get a Tempo effect instead...
Tempo+Dodge?
@@devincetee5335 She doesn't really have the bulk to use a Dodge skill tho.
@@Greideren True, but the other option with the tempo is minus 3 to all of foe's stats, which I don't see happening
@@devincetee5335 She's probably going to get some effect aside from the increase/decrease of stats as it often happens.
Something very strong that I hadn't thought of is an anti damage reduction effect like the one that L!Nana has. A bunch of people where saying that had she been a ranged unit she would have become a must have for summoner duels, so that could make B!Lysithea much better.
Edelgard definitely is the one that needs a refine the least. She is still top tier to this day, with her great stats and uniqueness of being more mobile than infantry units.
I'm guessing they will give Dimitri's weapon an effect that lowers the enemy's atk and def. Not sure where they will go with this, as it's a DC weapon, and the refines for those are just OK or so.
Claude needs anti guard, which is an effect that exists already, and anti fatal wounds, which would be a first. Also, NFU, anti flier effectiveness, and CC. He needs a lot for his niche to work... I bet some of the effects I listed will show up on his weapon, especially null guard.
I disagree, I think Lysithea is more usable than the guys. Setting up is ofc not the easiest thing, but she is a killer if she can manage to do so. The effect essentially is a form of NFU, since she has such great speed.
I want my B!Claude refine i don’t really care if this means Book 5 refines will come soon i just want to use him without him just getting screwed over by the current meta units
me and my +10 b!claude agree 😭😭 he was my first 5* merge project so i hope he gets a really great refine that will keep him relevant!
Dimitri Refine - work similar to Spring Maria weapon + Null C disrupt
Edelgard Refine - Damage reduction on 1st Attack
Claude refine - Tempo skill + NFU
Lysithea refine - inf. Desperation + NFU + True Damage
Nah
They are going to give to Brave Dimitri a mix of the Legendary and Summer versions with the true DR
what im expecting from best to worst.
Dimitri: probably going to get something pretty crazy so he can finally have a spotlight, he'll probably have the most effects but it could be anything.
Edel will probably get something crazy like an auto galeforce how her other variants get or built in save of some kind.
Claude i think is the most desperate for a good refine because currently fatal smoke reduces him to an average at best unit. plus ranged flier skill restrictions are intense so if his refine isnt more than just damage reduction or something he's going to be in trouble. im hoping for a "unit attacks twice" and null follow up.
Lysithia will probably get 1 chip damage on herself and allies and something crazy like a blade tome effect or dominance.
CYL4 units getting their refines before their base versions that came out like a year prior is a terrifying thought. The only potentially good thing that can come out of that is the pre-timeskip lords (and Lysithea) getting better weapons than the post-timeskip lords (and Lysithea) which would be really funny
Base Armads and Dire Thunder still don't have a refine which is even funnier.
@@EinTheEin it's baffling how they will never refine dire thunder when they have released more broken brave weapons that can quad without any trouble
Currently using preempt lysithea, doing great, just put her in range of a range 2 unit, one shot them, fury seal sets her up, its great!
Didn't get free one from the banner until today. Got Claude, he is my bet for the busted weapon refine.
How do you do it? How do you put so much good content out so quickly?
Here is my ranking list of which CYL4 units need a weapon refine the most. (From least desirable to most wanted weapon refine in need)
4. Brave Edelgard: Brave Edelgard is already a good unit on her own because she is very great during enemy phases because of her damage reduction skill and she can move two spaces and inflict atk/def-6 on her foes as long as she is above 25% HP. On top of that, she can easily be a threat in Enemy Phases by having her use AD near or far save and the steady or warding breath seal. Therefore, she is a unit that needs a weapon refine the least.
3. Brave Claude: Brave Claude is also a good unit on his own because he can heal himself by 50% of the damage dealt using a special. He does tend to struggle against bow units such as Legendary Lyn, Valentines Chrom, Legendary Alm, Legendary Chrom, etc. His A skill can be replaced with close counter as he still performs great without the use of Fury 4. Brave Claude doesn't need a weapon refine too badly.
2. Brave Lysithea: Brave Lysithea is a speed-reliant Red Tome user that is made to destroy Cavalry units with her base weapon alone. However, she is easily overshadowed by Winter Duo Lysithea, despite being able to easily destroy Winter Duo Lysithea as long as Brave Lysithea attacks first. Brave Lysithea also Naturally struggles against Bulky Tome units like Plumeria in her base Kit by default as well as Fallen Male Morgan. Brave Lysithea, therefore, is one of the units that needs a weapon refine in need.
1. Brave Dimitri: Brave Dimitri is a special case because he is possibly the first unit in Fire Emblem Heroes that has damage reduction that is calculated by having higher defense than his foes. His base kit along with his Blue Lion Rule skill is an interesting concept that made me wish that there are also skills that are like Brave Dimitri's Blue Lion Rule. Sadly to this day, Brave Dimitri got easily overthrown in terms of Defense stats, making his value as a unit dropped down. The only few ways for Brave Drimiti to be able to keep up with today's units without changing his weapon is to either give him Atk/Def Menace and Bonus Doubler 3 seal or Give him a Steady Breath Seal and give him joint drive atk (or def) as shown by one of Zeshado's builds. Therefore, Brave Dimitri is the Number One CYL4 unit that needs a weapon refine in need in order for him to be much more valuable than before.
That is all I have got to say.
I forgot Lysithea even existed. She definitely needs something good since she has nothing going for her right now. Dimitri was dead on arrival. Claude at least saw some play.
Really
Dimitri was dead on arrival
And Lysithea not
Hmmm
This is sus
Dimitri is the only one who NEEDS a refine, but Claude and Eddy would probably be good for another year or so before being out of date.
Hoping Bedel becomes the next Bector kappa (whatever comes for her i built her as a Far-saver so I'm not getting the full benefits of her refine lol) but really i want IS to not sloack off on these refines when they gave the CYL3 crew good refines for everyone
My hopes: Edelgard get near save built into her weapon. dimitri get attack def unity or deflect magic plus atk def -6. Claude +5 all stats and special spiral. lysithea get fury, hardy bearing and 30% damage reduction.
It would be nice for claud to get some really nice treatment but I have a feeling IS is gonna give edelgard everything and more cuz they know she can make bank with her sheer existence
Brave Claude getting Fallen Star in Wind Parthia would be absurd.
You can also times pulse speed preempt lysithea if you are insane
Out of these 4 I would say Brave Edelgard has the most potential to get a super good refine, I don't think IS would dare give her a bad refine on purpose. The only brave units to ever get bad refines were Brave Camilla and Brave Veronica because to no ones surprise both units are staff users. Offense focused Staff units were a huge mistake to add to FEH as they were so unbalanced, that's why IS gave both these units very weak refines.
B. lyn has a bad refine but thats bc of the time it came out.
@@jimraynorraider2572 Her B skill was the reason for that, being able to block sword, axe and lance units with distant counter was so OP back when Lyn and Reinhardt were terrorizing the arena back in the first year.
Brave Edelgard is already strong as hell
Give Edelgard the B!Hector refine with plus stats.
For Dimitri, I hope he gets speed damage reduction in his weapon. He's pretty quick, so it could work, and it would just stack reduction if he is faster and has more def.
For Edelgard, I'm not sure what they could give her because she's still pretty good.
For Claude, remove the 2 square or initiate requirement for the healing, and give him the anti guard and null follow up.
For Lysithea, give her the bernie 1 damage. And it would be kinda cool if they do a "if foes hp < 75% inflicts -6 speed and res" or something to almost reverse her >75 hp effect.
Edelgard really doesn't need one but will likely get the best of the 4.
Claude and Lysithea just need a few things to make their weapon much more consistent.
Dimitri definitely needs something drastic to make him more than just a random melee annoyance that still gets deleted in arena modes but he has built-in Distant Counter so odds are his refine will be tame.
The boys defiantly need one…Dimitri Especially.
Dimitri...
No that's it, technically speaking he's the one who's prf aged the worst out of the 4, Edelgard's still good, Claude and Lysithea have fell off relevance and belong in niches that can be improved with their refine, Dimitri's the only here who will be a full gamble going on a
90/10 odds of getting a refine that will help him out...
Now that said, i'm surprised so many people cling on to his prf and try to improve his res instead of switching it for a weapon more suited for melee matchups and give him a far save, to take care of mages, he really does a lot of work as a melee unit his prf b skill helps him a lot too
I have my doubts on Dimitri. He has a distant counter weapon.... and it's 50/50 on his refine
I want all of then to have awesome refines tbh but i think Edelgard can be happy with simpler one, because theres not that many thing they can give her, maybe... inmune to armor weakness? That can help! Also idk movement stuff like always and +5 to all stats
Dimitri would like a good refine because theres a lot of competition in his class... but sadly idk if he will get one because like you say, DC weapons are shafted most of the time so yeah...
Claude NEED weapon refine alongside Lysithea, its not fair that Claude dont have his own B skill because the year after, they start giving special skills/specials/assist to the 2nd places so its really unfair but anyways, these 2, in my opinion NEED all the help they can give them
Realistically, lysithea probably will have the standard +5 to all stats, maybe some debuff in atk/res/spd to the enemy or more buffs to stack and just being a player phase nuke again
Claude MAYBE they can give him DR in the refine, that sounds cool
B!Lysithea just feels like a regular unit
I still use my BDimitri so I'm more hopeful for him, specially since the last Dimitris have been quite good
the sad part for lysithea is I doubt she'll be viable even after the refine thanks to deflect magic.
That, save armors, and the ever common hardy fighter. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that can save her is an anti DR effect similar to L!Nanna’s. This would also ironically make her one of the best mages in the game though, at least for a time.
i still want a winter robin refine....
Def-based flat DR for B!Dimitri plz
This might be a hot take but I think B!El is the only one of the 4 that's actually still good bc I use her every TT+ but I never use Dimitri or Lysithea anymore. I don't have Calude so I can't speak for him besides saying I doubt he'll replace my L!Claude and S!Claude lol
I just want dancers and demote healers to have PRFs :/
How the hell are units like Brady meant to stand out?
Honestly they should just give 8-12 staff and dance characters a refine in a single update at a time. There are so many they intentionally neglected that they've all piled up now. I'm pretty sure base Azura will sell like hot cakes if she got a decent refine but IS just doesn't even seem to want to give her a refine.
Brave Edelgard is still imo the only unit that doesn't need a refine from the list as she's still probably the best aged one as well (like you said) as a solid save unit still to this very day. What she needs is either one of the following: Null Armor, DR or Hardy fighter built in, because that's seeming what IS wants to go in that direction.
Claude's niche is destroyed by Fatal Smoke, he needs a new niche badly.
Dimitri is outclassed by his legendary counterpart
There are better mages then Brave Lysthiea, including her og variant. She needs some new stuff.
I personally would add either healing on hit or on Special Trigger, since her effects do rely on being above 25% HP. Like, I wish I could give her Att/Res Finish but it's Infantry only.
B!Edel needs a refine the LEAST out of the 4, and while i'm hoping they keep whatever they give her tame(pls don't make her a green B!Hector), I have my doubts.
Not sure what they should do with the other three. Lowkey can see Lysithea's weapon getting reworked altogether(but keeping the eff vs Cavalry)
Please make her a green B!Hector.
Viva La Vida isn’t a song about the French Revolution, it’s about Brave Edelgard
Want all these be hall of forms same time
I personally disagree with putting lysethia below Claude, she's majorly outclassed but isn't bad per se; she has unique and strong aspects to her weapon, but they just don't stack up to the competition of offensive red mages. Claude, meanwhile, becomes worse the more you try to go into his niche, because special proc reliant healing just isn't good unless you have stuff like null guard or breath special charging to back it up, and even when he tries to go to a more generalist style he's completely outclassed by his legendary alt, not to mention units like ascended florina that bring actual utility to the team
Edelgard need a refine... lol yea she needs it...
They need it way more badly than OG Olivia lmao
If you want to be insane you could give Claude speed preempt
didnt we jsut get a ranged b skill with spd preempt? lol...
Dimitri cant reliably use his unique tanking skill. Lysithea and Claude will always be decent as they are ranged units and Edel has minmaxed armor stats so she is still a threat.
I have Lysie at +10, she was actually my first +10 brave hero. As much as I love her and still think that she's hard slept on, she is definitely not in a spot I would call "Good". That said, I think she's better than both Claude and Dimitri at the moment, if only slightly. Claude needs something akin to null follow up, tempo, and damage reduction to really find his footing, made worse by him not having a Golden Deer rule, while I think that if they keep Dimitri in his DC role, he could make really nice use of Divine Tyrfings magic dr shenanigans.
I'm routing for Dimitri. Bias.
Edelgard will get flat damage reducción based on defence
I agree with Lysithea's Winter Bernadetta effect, although I still still think they don't really need the refines, except maybe for Dimitri. Claude, Lysithea and Edelgard's weapons are still pretty good, as they still follow the +3 to a stat or slaying effect, +5 to all stats or +6 to Atk/Spd or -6 to Atk Def/Res to the opponent and an additional powerful effect. In no way I've had struggle using them, if anything I just need to play smarter, which is what this game should be about, not just power through anything.
Being honest, I think B! Dimitri could end up being really good if they gave him an effect similar to the one they gave missiltain, the pseudo-revenge effect, since I've seen many people use Dimitri with Noontime and that would help him heal a bit, and handle enemy phase a lot easier. Either that or giving him slaying plus the "I heal 30% when I proc a special" would make him a really solid unit (however, that last one I don't think will be what they go for, because it's the same effect Claude has, and it wouldn't feel good to have him steal that effect). For Edelgard, well, she is already good enough as she is thanks to her B slot, and that mixed with stout makes her be a good unit, so, the only way I can see people sticking with Flower Hauteclere is giving it the effect of stout lance, but with better health range (either 25% or always active when enemy phase, but the second one would be broken). The other two, honestly I have no idea what they will do with them, because I don't know what they need to become relevant or even what would be fitting for their character
dimitri would have to be a 3 move pp unit otherwise he going to be irrelevant.
Pls I have a +5 dimitri just make him somewhat viable pls
Without seeing the video I'll say pretty much only Dimitri. Lance infantry has been on decay for years ever since B!Hector released. Then B!Eliwood. Then Duessel, then B!Erika and now Jeralt and B!Chrom.
Brave Dimitri is just really not that good. Being reliant on primarily wanting to increase his defense for his DR while having to deal with a trash res that makes him die to almost any mage has made him age extremely bad. How do you expect Dimitri to win defense checks against almost any tank in the game nowadays? He's by far the worst CYL4 unit if you can't activate his B skill. Brave Lysithea has gotten really outdated with all these broken new cavalry mages but at least she still has use unlike Brave Dimitri. Same goes for Claude. Even Dimitri's much better Legendary self is not that seen nowadays.
Honestly there aren't that much lance infantries. if anything, I feel like they're bad because there aren't really that many, and honestly? Even Hatari Karla being the most unqiue kinda is sad.
as a L!Dimitri user that has him at +10 in FEH, he's still good as a raid boss in SD and as an arena unit as a physical specialist, but yes the save units just neutered him like every other spurn dodge user. I feel like I'll just wait for his remix because I really wish he got NFU and now either some sort of healing or Tempo
@@UlulvarCape There's very few unique Lance infantry units, it really is the truth. In all these years since 2017 I have probably encountered at least triple the amount of infantry blue dragons (even if they mostly all were Nowi) than infantry Lance units.
It's sad to realise how the only Lance lords in all of fire emblem are Ephraim and Dimitri. And Ephraim promotes to a horse so Dimitri is pretty much the only infantry Lance lord in all of Fire emblem. You would think that there would be more good infantry Lance units after all these years in feh but there really aren't. It was for years just until now that Ephraim has finally gotten his resplendent. It really is sad. The only other lord I could imagine for us to get as a Lance infantry unit is a brave Sharena and I highly doubt it. They would rather give her anything else as a weapon and movement type and she's a princess, not even a lord at the moment. Congrats on that +10 L!Dimitri. He has to be amazing.
@@lordsalt7595 Oh he is. Atk/Spd unity, distant dart, Vital astra, Times pulse or even speed smoke 4 if you have askr support, or give him double solo (Atk/Spd Solo and Spd/Def Solo). He also makes for a solid galeforcer if you get rid of atrocity for Tempo or WoM
Give edlguad null armor and stout ax effects
I’m glad you didn’t underrate Dimitri, he’s hardly unusable, and it seems tons of people are convinced he’s the worst CYL4 unit. People keep mentioning giving him “adaptive defense.” Which I think would be way too powerful, considering it would mean he could effectively stack Def and Res at the same time alongside Spd or Atk. It would effectively be like 30+ free stats. Yes he’s not great at distant counter, but his refine could just keep distant counter while still being melee specialized, as in it only works against opponents that calc dmg off def, or have 1 range, though the former is more likely imo. Or just give him accelerated special on any hit and slaying, as well as stats. If they gave him a way to be really bulky way too easily he’d instantly be a problem with his DC.
I say that's because a lot of people see a unit that is hitting for a niche/dedicated roll and immediately dismiss it because it's not dual phase omnitank 1HKO with zero need for extra investment
Make brave Edelgard broken again
Stout axe is so good on Edie, so I'm kind of expecting her refine to have a huge amount of damage reduction as well so she can become an armored version of B!Ike.
O god no
lol, only Dimitri really needs one, everyone else is relatively fine
Claude and Dimitri need refines, i thought the women were already broken enough. I'm hoping claude will get a good one since he's the only one I'm merging.
PS: Edelgard should receive the B!Hector type of refine because She is actually useful. (And not because She is my best Near Save Tank.)
Honestly I'd like to see armor weakness negated on her just for how ridiculous it'd be and to cement the Edelgard favoritism the devs have.