Of course they escaped. That’s why the government closed Alcatraz the following year. These guys proved you can fight the government and win and they embarrassed them. It’s the same reason San Francisco police didn’t make the letter public for a decade as well.
I've watched loads of different documentaries on this matter. I am confident they did not drown. They jumped aboard another boat, which carried them out. They went onwards to Brazil, copa Cabana Beach. They celebrated in elation.
I believe they made it, too. Those guys were quite intelligent and weren't your average convicted dummy. If I'm not mistaken, I think I watched a documentary years ago that said the one guy (Frank, I think) had a genius level IQ. Hell, they had to have been fairly intelligent just to pull off the initial escape. I believe they made it but the authorities try to say they didn't because they wanted to save face. Don't want to admit that the "inescapable Alcatraz" was, in fact escapable.
I was at Alcatraz in 1982 on a tour of the facility. Our guide was an former employee of Alcatraz when the prison was operating and during 62 escape. He told us that Morris had stole pounds and pounds of lard from the kitchens. The three men covered their entire bodies as a protection against hypothermia. He was convinced they all three made it
@@basquehound1999 The FBI suppressed a report for 50 years, in which 3 sets of footprints and a stolen car was recorded on Angel Island. Plus other bits of evidence here and there. There more or less has been a conspiracy to maintain how infallible and perfect the Justice Department is in the USA even doubling down on harsh and wrong punishments meted out to unfortunate and disadvantaged people.
@imagination370 he said the prison, not the island. They did escape the prison. That's a fact. Now if they successfully escaped the island is another question
According to detective and cold expert Kenneth L Mains (he a documentary here), says they made it. A vehicle was reported stolen that night and footprints were found on Angel Island.
Ive always been facinated with the escape over the years and watched so many documentaries on it, im sure all 3 of them made it that night, 1) no bodies were found, 2) foot prints were found on angel island aswel as the raft, 3) on the night a vehicle was reported stolen 4) fred brizzie met them and also pictures were taken 5) john anglin did send a letter couple years ago while suffering from cancer and wanting treatment but this was not looked into. Maybe the government didnt want to start this whole thing again as they covered it up saying they swept away into the atlantic ocean.
Of course they did, think about it the guy they had reenacting the swim only gave up cause he could because he had the option to quit so he took it but they didn’t have a safety boat to give up they had no choice but to keep going and they’re adrenaline was probably through the roof
Well the documentary didn't exactly do a good job at showing otherwise. Mostly it was making assumptions throughout and that's not scientific. If they want to make a case with science they need to remove the assumptions and weasel words. They made statements that are factually incorrect. Someone did make it to shore from Alcatraz alive. They said this is not possible but it is. A prisoner did. He was taken back there but he made it to shore which this documentary states otherwise. It is a lie even if unintentional.
@@xexyz0xexyl Exactly. It seems to me the powers that be don’t want to be embarrassed and want to try their hardest to put it out there that they drowned. I think it’s fairly obvious that they did make it & they beat Alcatraz.
@@jamarmiller3608there were 45 suicides off the golden gate from 1960-62. 17 of the bodies were found. So they could not find 28 of the 45 bodies EVEN when they had a much more precise search area in the bay. I want to believe they made it, but the raincoat wallet being left behind with the addresses, numbers is just tough for me to ignore. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a smoking gun that no bodies were found. I just think it’s more likely then not they made it. I’m very interested in learning about the reported boat sighting and a piece Of evidence was found near angel Island which makes you think
10:00 The Anglins description immediately makes me think of STAND BY ME. Edit : also I don't think they mentioned the possibility of being helped by the outside and being towed by another boat waiting for them. Towed like you see people on wake boards, or Boogie Board type things. Supposedly that's what the Anglin's were good at back home.
They got out of the prison, whether they made is another story. But if they succumbed in the water surely something would’ve been found. I think they actually made it
what ALL these investigators don't think about is What if they have found someone in a regular boat or something like that they picked them up and took them the rest of the way
It was a missile silo in the process of being decommissioned, so very low staff at any given time, as well as boats they could have used to get to the mainland. Makes perfect sense if you spend more than 30 seconds on it.
This is contradicting another documentary I saw about the Alcatraz escape. In that one a gentleman said that the mile and a half from Alcatraz to San Francisco had been swam without issue on many occasions. He also said there are no Great White Sharks in San Francisco Bay and never have been. Also a San Francisco police officer said he spotted a boat in the water and that after a few minutes it's engine's were started and it went out past the Golden Gate Bridge
If they had found even one body part I Would believe they didn't make it. The fact that Absolutely nothing was found other than their gear that they abandoned. Nothing to prove that they died. They made it case closed
You gotta be impressed by there impressive ingenuity and determination. I hope they made it. The fact no ever record of their existence was ever reported maybe they turned a new leaf. It's a legendary escape and the most famous prison escapes.😮🎉
Watched many documentaries on this now. Unlikely a boat was waiting for them, too much effort was made into making the raft and stealing the rubber jackets to make it. Heading for angel island would have been impossible in the raft against the current. There are two possibilities as I see it - either the raft held up or it didn’t - but either way the current took them to the Golden Gate Bridge - if they made it there with the raft intact then they may have survived and hence no bodies found. If the raft sank it and the bodies would have drifted with the current out to the Pacific Ocean - equally explaining why no bodies nor raft were found.
I am fairly sure the two Anglin brothers survived the crossing....as for Frank Morris, I think it was his body that was seen floating in the bay by that Norwegian freighter the next day (no body recovered but reported to authorities wearing blue like the uniforms inmates had). Either Morris drowned in the attempt or was killed some other way, maybe even deliberately. Over the years, there has been evidence presented that would suggest the brothers survived and went to Brazil by the early 1970s. Morris is never accounted for and thus I think he didn't make it.
That body was viewed over a month later and not reported until the Fall. There is speculation that it was someone who jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge a few days earlier, so I don’t think it was Morris. It seems unlikely he’d still be floating on the surface after all that time.
They hitched a ride on the boat fairy and used 100 foot electrical cord tied to the back of the boat. Then once on land in San Francisco they hitched a ride from someone they knew and trusted. They got away,I’m confident they made it.
There was a boat that was near there and reportedly slowed down. It was said that a guard was in on it. The brothers sent photos to their family’s showing that they were in Brazil.
To put all that thought and preparation into the actual escape and not have a boat out there waiting for you seems idiotic, you can bet your bottom dollar they had a boat waiting on them
There was recently some mail found and it was one of the guys. He said they made it but he was dying of old age or some health problems. The other 2 guys died earlier
@@bherber probably but it was never proven either so it's a mystery. My understanding is they did not further pursue it which of course is exactly why people believe it can be real. That's also exactly one of the reasons conspiracy theories are created: to fill that lack of information. I hope it was real but I obviously don't know.
I heard the same thing.The one that sent the letter was dying also and his brother and Morris died of old age and in the letter they made it and he's dying of cancer at the age of 81
@@michaelkawell3300 yes something along those lines. One of them made it into the 90’s (age) and send a letter. Just remember they made the place to technically feel secure but they have an iron man in those waters and nobody gets eaten by sharks and plenty make it out alive.
I'm sorry mate, but a raft does NOTHING in the water outside of the prison... Which was the point and problem I've reason they picked that spot on the first place.
Herb “Lucky” Juelich- I looked him up. He was born on Tuesday June 5, 1928 and died Thursday May 27, 1999. Since he’s speaking in this documentary, I’m guessing this was filmed before he passed??
Why is the one statement given by an off duty SFPD Officer, stating he saw a fishing boat make his way toward Angel Island so ignored? The theory is Al Capone paid for the boat and it took the escape convicts to Moss Landing in the Monterey Bay., in the middle of the night.
None of the documentaries or movies ever show the in between where they could’ve had outside help once they escaped! All three life jackets found but not one body! They definitely got away
They made it halfway on boat and halfway swimming that’s why they found paddles and boat and belongings in the water they abandoned the boat and paddles and lost the pictures as they were swimming
If it was me I would have left behind items, that would appear to the lawmen, to be of sentimental significance to myself as a means of possibly giving the impression that they were found because I didn’t make it. They seemed to be so resilient and water tight that they floated, almost as if they made sure they were sealed so good that they floated and therefore would be found instead of sinking. It’s possible they made as much as it is that they died. But the current and undertow of the region would make it seem like if they were eaten partially by sharks or drowned then at some point some evidence of their bodies would have washed up on shore somewhere at some point, but it never happened.
I can accept that one body may not have washed up, but three bodies not washing up someplace, impossible. The raft never been found. These guys got picked up by a boat somewhere in the bay They made it.
You made it you escaped this became the most famous escape ever on your death bed your leaving your fingerprints with someone to show as proof you made it for sure
What I think happend is that the three of them fought over the inflatable somewhere along the way. It would've been impossible to coordinate synchronized kicking and paddling with three people laying on top of it. It was said that a Norwegian freightliner spotted a floating body with prison garb on the day after. Maybe he was pushed off the inflatable some where at a half way point. Or even maybe one overtook the two and claimed the inflatable to himself. The letter received was from one person in 2018. Did the other two perish in the water? Or did one swim the rest of the way? But someone made it I can tell you that.
The Swimmer only made it 3/4 of the way, and that's with more experience and gear for his head, etc. Additionally, the Temps were a little more warmer. With this observation, I'd say the prisoners didn't make it. However perhaps for the adrenaline to get to freedom they may have even gone further? No telling.
This is still speculation. It seems some are desperate to prove they did not make it despite developments through the years that suggest otherwise. A police officer did spot an unidentified boat floating near Alcatraz that night around 1:00 AM. If one person was never found, I’d agree that he probably drowned, but three? It seems like at least one of them would have surfaced and been found during that massive manhunt.
The only way they could have survived is if they were picked up, purely by chance, by a passing boat. If this did happen, it couldn't have been arranged inside the prison, because all incoming/outgoing mail and all visits were carefully vetted/scrutinized. A passing boat rescue would have been sheer luck, pure coincidence.
That's exactly what happened but it wasn't a passerby it was somebody waiting. I heard that on a different video and it was from a coast guard that was out there and seen the lights of a boat idling, then the lights turned off and then they turned back on and left.... Plus there was never any bodies and the bodies would have showed up before anything from the material of the boat or anyting else. 😊
How could a coastguard have been waiting for them, either on land or in a boat? Like I said, no contact could have been made with an outsider from inside Alcatraz. If they weren't picked up by a passing boat, purely by luck, they succumbed to hyperthermia and their bodies washed out under the golden gate bridge, into the vastness of the Pacific Ocean, and that's why they were never found.
@@derekfraser7397 Are you mental?? Where do you see me saying a coastguard pick them up LOL. Come on bro make it make sense... I said that a coast guard reported that there was a boat out there. And I didn't mean to say Coast guard I meant to say a cop... It's common knowledge. San Francisco cop reported that between Angel Island and Alcatraz there was a boat on that night at that time. And it's also common knowledge that Jim Morris is cousin has admitted to paying off in Alcatraz correctional officer a bunch of money to get them what they need etc. So before you go arguing with me and getting personal with me about something that has nothing to do with me or you, Just please make sure you know what you're talkin about and make sure you can actually read. I mean why would somebody say that the Coast guard pick them up LOL?? Wtf. That makes zero sense that's not even a rational thought... Sometimes people just see what they want to see and not what's actually there....
@@derekfraser7397 I've obviously done more research on this than you.... Jim's cousin admitted to paying an Alcatraz correctional officer money in large amounts more than a few times... He said if they want to come drag an old man like him he was on his deathbed to prison that may can go ahead and do it.. Dude the picture of the brothers from Brazil, the photo that they claim is the Anglin Brothers is definitely them. One had blonde hair and one had dark hair.. The government even had several agencies that were professional at age enhancement and one of them said that there's a chance it's them but it's slim and I think more than one agency said that it's more than likely the Anglins in that picture. Now another thing.... The Anglins also had a younger brother that was beat to death in prison for not giving up dority's information about where those men from Alcatraz escaped to... They exhumed the body to get the DNA to try to match it to the letter that was written to the FBI.. Family okayed it because they wanted to have an autopsy done so they know if he was beaten or electricuted like the authorities said he was. They said he got electrocuted by trying to escape over the fence, But someone else with knowledge of the situation told the family that they beat him to death. And there's several people from the backwoods of Georgia and Florida that say these guys lived in Florida after the escape and then went to the Brazil because it got hot... You can find people on these videos in the comments who are very old people who say this. Lol. Now I know that you can't believe everything that people say but one of these people I was reading last night but they were saying and there's just no way they are lying. There's way more evidence pointing towards that making it then there is them not making it... And it's always going to be interesting too because I think if they did make it they are dead by now.... That's why you kind of got to take Jim Morris's cousin at his word when he tells you that he paid Alcatraz guards so the three men could have the information and materials they needed. Brother I don't know if you know this but all across this country of the United States there are guards that are being paid right now. That's how cell phones get into prison. Every single day a guard gets caught man, I mean it's not hard for me to believe...
Yes I've seen that picture of 2 men in Brazil, it could have been them. If so, they and Frank Morris must have gotten new identities, fake passports, and maybe plastic surgery as well. We know prison guards couldn't have smuggled cell phones into Alcatraz because they didn't exist way back then. But there could have been a corrupt guard or two who did aid their escape, it's possible. But if that was the case, very little has ever been spoken about it.
My idea is that they didn't make it out of San Francisco Bay. Not one of their bodies were found, but Seymour Webb's body wasn't found either. Webb jumped off the Golden Gate about the same time the escapees were in the water. I doubt if all three of them could have lived the rest of their lives without re-offending. Items associated with the escape were found floating in bay and on Cronkite Beach, which suggests the raft sank. I have a hunch that the gunwale of the raft was not high enough out of the water and the raft flooded from the choppy waves. The ebb tide made swimming to safety unlikely.
Or the raft could have been hit by an outgoing ship. Supposedly, they recovered what was left of a wooden paddle after it was damaged by something, and they recovered shreds of rubber that could have been from the raft. They also found a deflated life vest.
The Anglins did not build the raft as Morris designed it. Morris designed it to have four pontoons but the Anglins built with only three. Morris was very angry about that, claiming that the raft would be too unstable. He was probably right about that. It also would have been less buoyant.
They made a raft. Maybe they made some kind of wetsuits to keep them warm in the water. You had too watermen in the bunch . They would know what they needed to survive
Whitey Bulger said that Tom Kent being featured in documentaries and books always made him laugh, that Kent was a true nut job, wasn’t involved, and wasn’t even in the know about the escape because he wasn’t trusted, that Kent just conned authors and producers and said he knew things he didn’t so he could get money and attention.
Would the escapees have any type of understanding of the currents and hiw they worked ? And for that night? Unless they had outside help of a power boat to assist them ..my opinion is by swimming or with their raft they didnt make it.
They successfully escaped, no way in hell any of them survived, Great video nonetheless, But nobody could have survived those conditions, Sharks more than likely ate them alive
They drowned - all their personal photos etc + their raft were washed up + a ship seen a body dressed in prison uniform floating towards the Pacific Ocean proves that they drowned.
A lot of information that has come out indicates they survived. The paddle, footprints, and photos being found on Angel Islnd. As well as the stolen Chevy being driven by 3 men.
I think they made it quite honestly look at some conditions people survive in for days on I shouldn't be alive they need too dive deeper even further than what they have already showing them another documentary where they found boat life jackets so if they were completely unable to swim they could have gone unconscious floated by chance too angel island I'm surprised they just said they would automatically sink explore all options and look at it from a survialists point of view just my thoughts
Most of what I heard in this is weasel words and blatant assumptions without as much evidence as they claim. They didn't really investigate whether the raft could have survived. They just assumed it didn't and went after that. And one person at the end said there's no way to get to shore alive? Then what about the case where a prisoner made it to shore alive and was taken back to Alcatraz? Did they take his body back to a cell? Of course not. He was alive. Not conscious enough (if at all?) to escape beyond it but it's possible to make it to land which this documentary claim is not true. But clearly it is true that one can make it. If they weren't a prisoner but instead a person lost there (for some crazy reason) they would have gone on to live their life in civilisation. But this itself shows a major flaw of the documentary's methodology. Hard to make it to shore yes but not impossible. But the will to survive is incredible. These people testing things are not in the same situation. It's certainly possible that they drowned and maybe even probable but that's if they didn't have a raft that survived or won't picked up by another boat - which is another possibility. This documentary just made a lot of assumptions and repeated those assumptions almost as if they were fact, even doing scientific studies. But science doesn't make assumptions. When science starts making assumptions it is no longer science.. It has scientific aspects but it is breaking away from how science works and it cannot be trusted as much. Science and assumptions are mutually exclusive.
They never had a chance, because their giant metal balls would have drug them to the bottom of SF Bay, lmfao. All kidding aside, it's an amazing thought to think they made it. If they had, I'd be so happy for them. But there's just no way they could've. Sure all this looks great, but gotta factor in what it took to even get down to the waters edge, physically speaking. A makeshift raft isn't cutting it in that Bay. At best, they were quickly whisked out under the Golden Gate bridge and into the Pacific Ocean.
This is all about why they didn’t make it. I believe by some streak of luck……they did. With all the prisoners in that jail someone who knew someone that had a boat!
I’ve swam before and I’m lifeguard trained. Listen the rough water swimmer is going to remain calm cause they have every advantage of knowing they can quit and they have experience as well as it being 4 degrees warmer and during the day. The escapees aren’t experienced and they may freak out sapping their energy and maybe even dragging each other down. I had a friend nearly drown before because someone took them under in their panic of not being able to swim. Scary stuff and it makes lifeguarding hard as you can try to save someone and that person could accidentally kill you.
Someone knows if they made it or not. The truth will come out. I would like to see investigation òn the raft- try to reinflate it/ re make it and then try to cross the water in it.
All kinds of holes in this story, if their boat capsized they had life jackets so they wouldn’t be swimming they’d be floating, and dealing with info from ‘62 did ya factor in time change? Cuz an hour difference could make a world of difference, every expert seems to not take into account the life jackets 🤨🤔🤫
It’s because presumably they lost the life jackets. Or they weren’t effective like the raft. It’s hard to say. Either way the jackets were recovered. The jackets also wouldn’t protect you from hypothermia. They also do account for the life jackets in the drifting experiments as they launch the dummy with and without it to similar results.
I think it would be more likely that the raft was either hit by a boat, or flooded by the wake of a passing ship, than the escapees being eaten by sharks.
It would be nice if they just drop all their charges I mean it’s been a long time. And see if they pop back in to tell us the story. But they’re probably dead by now.
I really hope these guys made it...not necessarily because of their crimes but because of the work, planning and execution that went into the escapade
I believe that they mayd it to angel beach
Of course they escaped. That’s why the government closed Alcatraz the following year. These guys proved you can fight the government and win and they embarrassed them. It’s the same reason San Francisco police didn’t make the letter public for a decade as well.
I've watched loads of different documentaries on this matter. I am confident they did not drown. They jumped aboard another boat, which carried them out. They went onwards to Brazil, copa Cabana Beach. They celebrated in elation.
Along with Fred Breezie
I believe they made it, too. Those guys were quite intelligent and weren't your average convicted dummy. If I'm not mistaken, I think I watched a documentary years ago that said the one guy (Frank, I think) had a genius level IQ. Hell, they had to have been fairly intelligent just to pull off the initial escape.
I believe they made it but the authorities try to say they didn't because they wanted to save face. Don't want to admit that the "inescapable Alcatraz" was, in fact escapable.
I was at Alcatraz in 1982 on a tour of the facility. Our guide was an former employee of Alcatraz when the prison was operating and during 62 escape. He told us that Morris had stole pounds and pounds of lard from the kitchens. The three men covered their entire bodies as a protection against hypothermia. He was convinced they all three made it
They did escape from the prison
You know it🤠
What makes you so sure??
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The FBI suppressed a report for 50 years, in which 3 sets of footprints and a stolen car was recorded on Angel Island. Plus other bits of evidence here and there. There more or less has been a conspiracy to maintain how infallible and perfect the Justice Department is in the USA even doubling down on harsh and wrong punishments meted out to unfortunate and disadvantaged people.
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@imagination370 he said the prison, not the island. They did escape the prison. That's a fact. Now if they successfully escaped the island is another question
According to detective and cold expert Kenneth L Mains (he a documentary here), says they made it. A vehicle was reported stolen that night and footprints were found on Angel Island.
Ive always been facinated with the escape over the years and watched so many documentaries on it, im sure all 3 of them made it that night, 1) no bodies were found, 2) foot prints were found on angel island aswel as the raft, 3) on the night a vehicle was reported stolen 4) fred brizzie met them and also pictures were taken 5) john anglin did send a letter couple years ago while suffering from cancer and wanting treatment but this was not looked into. Maybe the government didnt want to start this whole thing again as they covered it up saying they swept away into the atlantic ocean.
Give Morris, & The Anglin Bros Credit For The Unthinkable: They Escaped. Whether They Survived, Is Any Ones Guess.
Even after watching this, I’m pretty sure they made it.
Me too
Of course they did, think about it the guy they had reenacting the swim only gave up cause he could because he had the option to quit so he took it but they didn’t have a safety boat to give up they had no choice but to keep going and they’re adrenaline was probably through the roof
@@floridanick8434 plus the adrenaline
Well the documentary didn't exactly do a good job at showing otherwise. Mostly it was making assumptions throughout and that's not scientific. If they want to make a case with science they need to remove the assumptions and weasel words. They made statements that are factually incorrect. Someone did make it to shore from Alcatraz alive. They said this is not possible but it is. A prisoner did. He was taken back there but he made it to shore which this documentary states otherwise. It is a lie even if unintentional.
@@xexyz0xexyl Exactly. It seems to me the powers that be don’t want to be embarrassed and want to try their hardest to put it out there that they drowned. I think it’s fairly obvious that they did make it & they beat Alcatraz.
Government cannot accept that was a successful escape 😂😂😂😂
The amount of resources dedicated to catch them was flat-out ludicrous.
Facts
That’s what im saying!! All three life jackets found but not one body? They’re gone 😆
@@jamarmiller3608there were 45 suicides off the golden gate from 1960-62. 17 of the bodies were found. So they could not find 28 of the 45 bodies EVEN when they had a much more precise search area in the bay. I want to believe they made it, but the raincoat wallet being left behind with the addresses, numbers is just tough for me to ignore. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a smoking gun that no bodies were found. I just think it’s more likely then not they made it. I’m very interested in learning about the reported boat sighting and a piece
Of evidence was found near angel
Island which makes you think
Im sure they had someone waiting for them in a boat. They were smart and knew that the bay was a huge challenge. In my opinion they made it to shore
10:00 The Anglins description immediately makes me think of STAND BY ME. Edit : also I don't think they mentioned the possibility of being helped by the outside and being towed by another boat waiting for them. Towed like you see people on wake boards, or Boogie Board type things. Supposedly that's what the Anglin's were good at back home.
They got out of the prison, whether they made is another story. But if they succumbed in the water surely something would’ve been found. I think they actually made it
I personally think they made it too
Fred tried, at least a little. What Fred was lacking was the DRIVE. Just imagine freedom vs prison. I think I'd try harder than Fred did.
what ALL these investigators don't think about is What if they have found someone in a regular boat or something like that they picked them up and took them the rest of the way
I think your right
Definitely possible, odd why that theory is never mentioned.
There's another documentary where they are sure coming from a different angle that they had seen a boat but I can't find that documentary anymore
@@derekfraser7397cause they most likely thought about it already
Great story I hope they made it
I believe 100% they made it 😂😂😂
I believe they went with the tied that be the easiest and fastest way to go
Me too I think they want to the golden gate way just before it
Did you even watch any of this on how cold the water was and that it would take 2 hours to get there? Anyone who thinks they made it is an idiot
Me too. They just told other prisoners they were going to angel Island. If anyone snitched they would be on the wrong path
i every 1 i rly hope they made it ive watch this case over n over its my faviourte i would like a 100%answer though 4 piecie of mind.
Me too
They probably had some help once they got off the island
If they did, that couldn't have been arranged from inside the prison, like I explained above.
One of the best documentaries I’ve seen. Totally subscribed.
Why in the hell would you paddle or swim to an Island!!? to get caught!? makes no damn sense. they went to where they could GET AWAY.. THINK ABOUT IT!
It was a missile silo in the process of being decommissioned, so very low staff at any given time, as well as boats they could have used to get to the mainland. Makes perfect sense if you spend more than 30 seconds on it.
This is contradicting another documentary I saw about the Alcatraz escape. In that one a gentleman said that the mile and a half from Alcatraz to San Francisco had been swam without issue on many occasions. He also said there are no Great White Sharks in San Francisco Bay and never have been. Also a San Francisco police officer said he spotted a boat in the water and that after a few minutes it's engine's were started and it went out past the Golden Gate Bridge
If they had found even one body part I Would believe they didn't make it. The fact that Absolutely nothing was found other than their gear that they abandoned.
Nothing to prove that they died. They made it case closed
They all made it.. thanks to Mickey Cohen and Fred Brizzi. Read the book Alcatraz The Last Escape
There is an unimaginary power and energy within a man that is always ready to put into action in times of hardship and fear.
-Rexona baba
You gotta be impressed by there impressive ingenuity and determination. I hope they made it. The fact no ever record of their existence was ever reported maybe they turned a new leaf. It's a legendary escape and the most famous prison escapes.😮🎉
Sillicone adhesive was a much better quality adhesive back in the 60's then it is today. Question is, what kind of adhesive did they use?
they could've very well had outside help who knows someone waiting with a boat
Outside help would have been "sheer luck". No waiting boat could have been arranged from within the prison.
Helicopter
I hope they lived happy long lives after their escape. All they did was rob banks.
Okay, then maybe if your bank and your money gets robbed, you'll refuse to press charges then?
@@epaddon I wouldn’t lock them up for 20+ years. Then continue to ruin their lives when they are probably out and learned their lesson.
I hope they made it
Me too
And then if they;d made it rob and steal again and maybe do something worse......would you still be glad they made it?
Same as with DB Cooper. “The Man” cannot and will not accept or admit the possibility of escape.
Watched many documentaries on this now. Unlikely a boat was waiting for them, too much effort was made into making the raft and stealing the rubber jackets to make it. Heading for angel island would have been impossible in the raft against the current. There are two possibilities as I see it - either the raft held up or it didn’t - but either way the current took them to the Golden Gate Bridge - if they made it there with the raft intact then they may have survived and hence no bodies found. If the raft sank it and the bodies would have drifted with the current out to the Pacific Ocean - equally explaining why no bodies nor raft were found.
I am fairly sure the two Anglin brothers survived the crossing....as for Frank Morris, I think it was his body that was seen floating in the bay by that Norwegian freighter the next day (no body recovered but reported to authorities wearing blue like the uniforms inmates had). Either Morris drowned in the attempt or was killed some other way, maybe even deliberately. Over the years, there has been evidence presented that would suggest the brothers survived and went to Brazil by the early 1970s. Morris is never accounted for and thus I think he didn't make it.
That body was viewed over a month later and not reported until the Fall. There is speculation that it was someone who jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge a few days earlier, so I don’t think it was Morris. It seems unlikely he’d still be floating on the surface after all that time.
They hitched a ride on the boat fairy and used 100 foot electrical cord tied to the back of the boat. Then once on land in San Francisco they hitched a ride from someone they knew and trusted. They got away,I’m confident they made it.
There was a boat that was near there and reportedly slowed down. It was said that a guard was in on it. The brothers sent photos to their family’s showing that they were in Brazil.
To put all that thought and preparation into the actual escape and not have a boat out there waiting for you seems idiotic, you can bet your bottom dollar they had a boat waiting on them
They didn't need a boat. Stealing a car was easier.
legend has it they paddled out to a boat that was waiting for them.
They had a raft too I would say even if the raft took them more or less than half way they can swim the rest of the way
There was recently some mail found and it was one of the guys. He said they made it but he was dying of old age or some health problems. The other 2 guys died earlier
That mail was probably fake
@@bherber probably but it was never proven either so it's a mystery. My understanding is they did not further pursue it which of course is exactly why people believe it can be real. That's also exactly one of the reasons conspiracy theories are created: to fill that lack of information. I hope it was real but I obviously don't know.
I heard the same thing.The one that sent the letter was dying also and his brother and Morris died of old age and in the letter they made it and he's dying of cancer at the age of 81
@@michaelkawell3300 yes something along those lines. One of them made it into the 90’s (age) and send a letter. Just remember they made the place to technically feel secure but they have an iron man in those waters and nobody gets eaten by sharks and plenty make it out alive.
They had a raft... they didn't swim it!
I'm sorry mate, but a raft does NOTHING in the water outside of the prison... Which was the point and problem I've reason they picked that spot on the first place.
Herb “Lucky” Juelich- I looked him up. He was born on Tuesday June 5, 1928 and died Thursday May 27, 1999. Since he’s speaking in this documentary, I’m guessing this was filmed before he passed??
No genius it was filmed after he passed. It’s his ghost speaking in the documentary.
congrats Sherlock.......
Why is the one statement given by an off duty SFPD Officer, stating he saw a fishing boat make his way toward Angel Island so ignored? The theory is Al Capone paid for the boat and it took the escape convicts to Moss Landing in the Monterey Bay., in the middle of the night.
None of the documentaries or movies ever show the in between where they could’ve had outside help once they escaped! All three life jackets found but not one body! They definitely got away
They made it halfway on boat and halfway swimming that’s why they found paddles and boat and belongings in the water they abandoned the boat and paddles and lost the pictures as they were swimming
Why would you go to another island they had outside help but all these people have got it stuck in their heads that it happen this way
If it was me I would have left behind items, that would appear to the lawmen, to be of sentimental significance to myself as a means of possibly giving the impression that they were found because I didn’t make it. They seemed to be so resilient and water tight that they floated, almost as if they made sure they were sealed so good that they floated and therefore would be found instead of sinking. It’s possible they made as much as it is that they died. But the current and undertow of the region would make it seem like if they were eaten partially by sharks or drowned then at some point some evidence of their bodies would have washed up on shore somewhere at some point, but it never happened.
Yes and they were smart enough not to break they're silence after succeeding. Besides the prison would never admit that they managed the impossible.
@jibv4867 ya know I kinda thought so...at least that's what my heart wants to believe. Gotta love the human drive and persistence 😎
I’m going with they made it.
I can accept that one body may not have washed up, but three bodies not washing up someplace, impossible. The raft never been found. These guys got picked up by a boat somewhere in the bay They made it.
These guys made it, no doubt
They escaped with help
Outside help. A rowboat left for them. Maybe some wetsuits and fins in it.
It's obvious that they made it and they had help.
Whether they made it ir not may be debatable, but the Mythbusters proved it is possible to escape with the equipment amd conditions they had
morriss
Never left a diary
The one who stayed behind
Could tell a lot of what went on
Before the escape!
You made it you escaped this became the most famous escape ever on your death bed your leaving your fingerprints with someone to show as proof you made it for sure
There considering the most important fact.
The human will to escape and survive ❤
Betcha they had a small boat waiting.
The homemade raincoat raft was a prop.
What I think happend is that the three of them fought over the inflatable somewhere along the way. It would've been impossible to coordinate synchronized kicking and paddling with three people laying on top of it. It was said that a Norwegian freightliner spotted a floating body with prison garb on the day after. Maybe he was pushed off the inflatable some where at a half way point. Or even maybe one overtook the two and claimed the inflatable to himself. The letter received was from one person in 2018. Did the other two perish in the water? Or did one swim the rest of the way? But someone made it I can tell you that.
The Swimmer only made it 3/4 of the way, and that's with more experience and gear for his head, etc. Additionally, the Temps were a little more warmer. With this observation, I'd say the prisoners didn't make it. However perhaps for the adrenaline to get to freedom they may have even gone further? No telling.
Its dark in the water. They had no lights
Very well done !
This is still speculation. It seems some are desperate to prove they did not make it despite developments through the years that suggest otherwise. A police officer did spot an unidentified boat floating near Alcatraz that night around 1:00 AM. If one person was never found, I’d agree that he probably drowned, but three? It seems like at least one of them would have surfaced and been found during that massive manhunt.
If their raft dead in fact leak, don’t you think it would’ve filled up with water and sink?
I reckon they made it haha. They really have no idea in which direction they went from Alcatraz
I think someone picked them up
Dood they probably had someone pick them up
As much as I don't want to admit to it, I don't think they made it
I feel like they made it. I think Angel island was just what they told everyone to put them off.
Having worked in the Ocean for years sharks 🦈 we be my last worry. Cold 🥶 and drowning . In that order
The only way they could have survived is if they were picked up, purely by chance, by a passing boat. If this did happen, it couldn't have been arranged inside the prison, because all incoming/outgoing mail and all visits were carefully vetted/scrutinized. A passing boat rescue would have been sheer luck, pure coincidence.
That's exactly what happened but it wasn't a passerby it was somebody waiting.
I heard that on a different video and it was from a coast guard that was out there and seen the lights of a boat idling, then the lights turned off and then they turned back on and left....
Plus there was never any bodies and the bodies would have showed up before anything from the material of the boat or anyting else. 😊
How could a coastguard have been waiting for them, either on land or in a boat? Like I said, no contact could have been made with an outsider from inside Alcatraz. If they weren't picked up by a passing boat, purely by luck, they succumbed to hyperthermia and their bodies washed out under the golden gate bridge, into the vastness of the Pacific Ocean, and that's why they were never found.
@@derekfraser7397 Are you mental??
Where do you see me saying a coastguard pick them up LOL.
Come on bro make it make sense...
I said that a coast guard reported that there was a boat out there. And I didn't mean to say Coast guard I meant to say a cop...
It's common knowledge. San Francisco cop reported that between Angel Island and Alcatraz there was a boat on that night at that time.
And it's also common knowledge that Jim Morris is cousin has admitted to paying off in Alcatraz correctional officer a bunch of money to get them what they need etc.
So before you go arguing with me and getting personal with me about something that has nothing to do with me or you,
Just please make sure you know what you're talkin about and make sure you can actually read.
I mean why would somebody say that the Coast guard pick them up LOL?? Wtf. That makes zero sense that's not even a rational thought...
Sometimes people just see what they want to see and not what's actually there....
@@derekfraser7397 I've obviously done more research on this than you....
Jim's cousin admitted to paying an Alcatraz correctional officer money in large amounts more than a few times...
He said if they want to come drag an old man like him he was on his deathbed to prison that may can go ahead and do it..
Dude the picture of the brothers from Brazil, the photo that they claim is the Anglin Brothers is definitely them.
One had blonde hair and one had dark hair..
The government even had several agencies that were professional at age enhancement and one of them said that there's a chance it's them but it's slim and I think more than one agency said that it's more than likely the Anglins in that picture.
Now another thing.... The Anglins also had a younger brother that was beat to death in prison for not giving up dority's information about where those men from Alcatraz escaped to...
They exhumed the body to get the DNA to try to match it to the letter that was written to the FBI..
Family okayed it because they wanted to have an autopsy done so they know if he was beaten or electricuted like the authorities said he was. They said he got electrocuted by trying to escape over the fence,
But someone else with knowledge of the situation told the family that they beat him to death.
And there's several people from the backwoods of Georgia and Florida that say these guys lived in Florida after the escape and then went to the Brazil because it got hot...
You can find people on these videos in the comments who are very old people who say this. Lol.
Now I know that you can't believe everything that people say but one of these people I was reading last night but they were saying and there's just no way they are lying.
There's way more evidence pointing towards that making it then there is them not making it...
And it's always going to be interesting too because I think if they did make it they are dead by now....
That's why you kind of got to take Jim Morris's cousin at his word when he tells you that he paid Alcatraz guards so the three men could have the information and materials they needed.
Brother I don't know if you know this but all across this country of the United States there are guards that are being paid right now. That's how cell phones get into prison.
Every single day a guard gets caught man,
I mean it's not hard for me to believe...
Yes I've seen that picture of 2 men in Brazil, it could have been them. If so, they and Frank Morris must have gotten new identities, fake passports, and maybe plastic surgery as well. We know prison guards couldn't have smuggled cell phones into Alcatraz because they didn't exist way back then. But there could have been a corrupt guard or two who did aid their escape, it's possible. But if that was the case, very little has ever been spoken about it.
You never found the raft. Plus you got letters from one of them.
My idea is that they didn't make it out of San Francisco Bay. Not one of their bodies were found, but Seymour Webb's body wasn't found either. Webb jumped off the Golden Gate about the same time the escapees were in the water. I doubt if all three of them could have lived the rest of their lives without re-offending. Items associated with the escape were found floating in bay and on Cronkite Beach, which suggests the raft sank. I have a hunch that the gunwale of the raft was not high enough out of the water and the raft flooded from the choppy waves. The ebb tide made swimming to safety unlikely.
Or the raft could have been hit by an outgoing ship. Supposedly, they recovered what was left of a wooden paddle after it was damaged by something, and they recovered shreds of rubber that could have been from the raft. They also found a deflated life vest.
The Anglins did not build the raft as Morris designed it. Morris designed it to have four pontoons but the Anglins built with only three. Morris was very angry about that, claiming that the raft would be too unstable. He was probably right about that. It also would have been less buoyant.
They made a raft. Maybe they made some kind of wetsuits to keep them warm in the water. You had too watermen in the bunch . They would know what they needed to survive
Whitey Bulger said that Tom Kent being featured in documentaries and books always made him laugh, that Kent was a true nut job, wasn’t involved, and wasn’t even in the know about the escape because he wasn’t trusted, that Kent just conned authors and producers and said he knew things he didn’t so he could get money and attention.
Would the escapees have any type of understanding of the currents and hiw they worked ? And for that night?
Unless they had outside help of a power boat to assist them ..my opinion is by swimming or with their raft they didnt make it.
@jibv4867 - A high IQ is not going to help you in that situation... The water temps were not warm either lmao
And not one expert had the drive to escape and live. They just cannot know.
What happens to the individuals that jump from the bridge. Where does those bodys go?
Into the safety nets below
@@user-yu6pw6dk9p I think they survived and I think other escapes survived as well.
Boat waiting to fetch them! They got away! Black eye to law enforcement is the reason why most look for death in the outcome as opposed to living.
One thing how do they know they did not make more than one boat they could of made one each because they found one half of one that they left
Even if they got pulled out towards bridge they could have made it to Frisco
They successfully escaped, no way in hell any of them survived, Great video nonetheless, But nobody could have survived those conditions, Sharks more than likely ate them alive
There's never been a shark attack in the bay if I'm not mistaken
They drowned - all their personal photos etc + their raft were washed up + a ship seen a body dressed in prison uniform floating towards the Pacific Ocean proves that they drowned.
Alcatraz.. the first Super Max
I don't care what anybody says I think they made and Survived
they survived
Iv'e watched every documentary about alcatraz & this one is very biased , there is more evidence to suggest they made it than they didn't.
A lot of information that has come out indicates they survived. The paddle, footprints, and photos being found on Angel Islnd. As well as the stolen Chevy being driven by 3 men.
I think they made it quite honestly look at some conditions people survive in for days on I shouldn't be alive they need too dive deeper even further than what they have already showing them another documentary where they found boat life jackets so if they were completely unable to swim they could have gone unconscious floated by chance too angel island I'm surprised they just said they would automatically sink explore all options and look at it from a survialists point of view just my thoughts
Most of what I heard in this is weasel words and blatant assumptions without as much evidence as they claim. They didn't really investigate whether the raft could have survived. They just assumed it didn't and went after that. And one person at the end said there's no way to get to shore alive? Then what about the case where a prisoner made it to shore alive and was taken back to Alcatraz? Did they take his body back to a cell? Of course not. He was alive. Not conscious enough (if at all?) to escape beyond it but it's possible to make it to land which this documentary claim is not true. But clearly it is true that one can make it. If they weren't a prisoner but instead a person lost there (for some crazy reason) they would have gone on to live their life in civilisation. But this itself shows a major flaw of the documentary's methodology.
Hard to make it to shore yes but not impossible. But the will to survive is incredible. These people testing things are not in the same situation. It's certainly possible that they drowned and maybe even probable but that's if they didn't have a raft that survived or won't picked up by another boat - which is another possibility.
This documentary just made a lot of assumptions and repeated those assumptions almost as if they were fact, even doing scientific studies. But science doesn't make assumptions. When science starts making assumptions it is no longer science.. It has scientific aspects but it is breaking away from how science works and it cannot be trusted as much.
Science and assumptions are mutually exclusive.
They never had a chance, because their giant metal balls would have drug them to the bottom of SF Bay, lmfao. All kidding aside, it's an amazing thought to think they made it. If they had, I'd be so happy for them. But there's just no way they could've. Sure all this looks great, but gotta factor in what it took to even get down to the waters edge, physically speaking. A makeshift raft isn't cutting it in that Bay. At best, they were quickly whisked out under the Golden Gate bridge and into the Pacific Ocean.
Mythbusters proved that it's possible
Show me the bodies. Did you find the bodies? No? Then shut up.
This is all about why they didn’t make it. I believe by some streak of luck……they did. With all the prisoners in that jail someone who knew someone that had a boat!
You speak a lot about "evidence" but you never found the raft. Also, your "rough water swimmer" was not swimming for his life.
I’ve swam before and I’m lifeguard trained. Listen the rough water swimmer is going to remain calm cause they have every advantage of knowing they can quit and they have experience as well as it being 4 degrees warmer and during the day. The escapees aren’t experienced and they may freak out sapping their energy and maybe even dragging each other down.
I had a friend nearly drown before because someone took them under in their panic of not being able to swim. Scary stuff and it makes lifeguarding hard as you can try to save someone and that person could accidentally kill you.
Guess what they escaped and didn't come back 😂
Someone knows if they made it or not. The truth will come out. I would like to see investigation òn the raft- try to reinflate it/ re make it and then try to cross the water in it.
Mythbusters have a video on it. They made a raft to see if they could escape the bay
@kaileerawson2804 yea I see that very interesting. The truth will come out one day
All kinds of holes in this story, if their boat capsized they had life jackets so they wouldn’t be swimming they’d be floating, and dealing with info from ‘62 did ya factor in time change? Cuz an hour difference could make a world of difference, every expert seems to not take into account the life jackets 🤨🤔🤫
It’s because presumably they lost the life jackets. Or they weren’t effective like the raft. It’s hard to say. Either way the jackets were recovered. The jackets also wouldn’t protect you from hypothermia.
They also do account for the life jackets in the drifting experiments as they launch the dummy with and without it to similar results.
Would of been quicker to go to San Francisco than angel island.
I think it would be more likely that the raft was either hit by a boat, or flooded by the wake of a passing ship, than the escapees being eaten by sharks.
Not many man eating sharks there. That’s a myth
It would be nice if they just drop all their charges I mean it’s been a long time. And see if they pop back in to tell us the story. But they’re probably dead by now.