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Only 372 weapons that should be put on are the Nef axes. I'm not Enhance, but their only weapons are from Nef and they have no crafted weapons from the Molten Front nor a 378 Firelands BoE.
thank you for the acknowledgement. My guild just downed him for the first time 3 resets ago and we have killed him twice total no heroic. 1 Axe each kill and they were fed to me. Pretty sweet finally since i've been using the same claw/axe since week one of phase 1.
Does any spec actually use this trinket? I swear we've disenchanted every single one since release, had to have been like 15 of them, not one person in two 25 man raiding groups wanted one.
no one will bother with the wands anyway because we can buy the 378 one with 700 valor, assuming both vendors are in at the same time. If not just wait a few days and buy it with the saved up valor from farming these fissure dungeons
Ok so wtf happened to our valor vendor. You can’t at this moment convert your valor points to conquest points. I farmed 26k valor for the sole purpose of getting some PvP gear. But they can’t keep simple stuff going. These changes are pretty great though
That was a bit of a gamble on your part. When the new patch drops, Valor should be converted to Justice (this is how it's worked in the past). Good luck!
Ascendant Council is the hardest encounter in this phase with the least guild kills in both 10 and 25 man heroic. Would have made sense to have the two trinkets and rest of the loot from the encounter added to the vendor.
The non heroic weapon choices is the worst. Enhancement Shaman got shafted for weapons this tier. Guild is scared of heroic nef who drops the ONLY upgrade Enhancement can use this entire tier. No crafted 365 agility 1 hander that Enhancement can use either. Just put the damn heroic weapons on the vendor.
I play enhanc as well and I fully agree. They hate enhanc players. I couldn't believe my eyes when I seen there were no agi 365 weapons but there is a weapon for literally every other class.
Not sure many people will buy them when you will be able to get 378ilvl pvp weapons which will be miles ahead and when you can enchage valor to conquest wouldnt take long at all.
Only other change that would be nice would be adding each mount for 1000 fissures each. That way after 100 runs, you're guaranteed to get one of your choice.
well there is one (heart of rage), but the sad thing that other stat users (int/agi) have 3 trinkets available from new vendor, and str users didn't get crushing weight on vendor
are these changes coming tomorrow? i have many many alts and waiting for better gears to come on justice vendor. cause they cant even do hc except my healer shammy.
@@idkidgaf I've just came back to game after 1 year or so since wotlk p3. i was just leveling up so hard with xp buff for past 2 weeks and all my chars are low gear. just geard my resto for inferno dungs in last couple of days (nearly 346 ilvl. need a valor relic)
@@Holylightt99Except literally the whole levelling journey from 1 to 80 is solo content, then players are forced to do pre-organised group content at end game. That makes no sense. Players should be free to enjoy the game in their own way, not because you want to gatekeep them.
in my opinion getting the Staff in 10 man should take alot longer compared to 25 man, otherwise doing 25 man raids is just dumb and makes no sense, everyone would only do 10 man to get more staffs for the guild
@@jobozo99 people should run the Raid size that they most enjoy without feeling like they miss out on stuff, and the people that enjoy 25 man more than 10 man are forced to do 10 man if they wanna be efficient. The way it is right now is perfectly balanced. by the time dragonsoul is here everyone in your 10 man group who needs a staff will have one. so why do you want more than that? it will not even be the case for 25 man raids, there some people will still not have the staff when dragonsoul is here even tho its faster than 10 man so technically its not balanced and 25 man raid should get staff a little bit faster
@@HaileyXrworst case scenario it takes 6 weeks for the first 25 staff. Then another staff every 2 weeks after that. So in 5 months that’s 8 staves. More than enough for all the dps casters.
if they reduce the time it takes to get the staff on 10m then 25m guilds will be incentivized to go down to multiple 10m groups to farm as many staffs as possible before dragon soul
By the time we reach dragon soul 25m groups are going to have like 8 staves anyway. I’m sure DS is really balanced around that many casters having that many legendaries… oh wait
What's the point in gatekeeping anything in classic? We are supposed to get faster cadence which means more loot quicker. Just give us everything and let us crush the content as we see fit.
people would literally be done with the game in 2 days man , lets be sensible in our comments lol. I'm shocked you typed that comment all the way out and still hit send
I think this change is bad because it inadvertently shafts casual guilds gear progression, those guilds had players with 359 to 364 ilvl going into firelands and getting 378 drops feels pretty good. Letting those players just automatically grind to 370+ in dungeons is a really lazy implementation of a catchup mechanic especially when molten front was there specifically for this reason. The casual players are going to be done gearing in normals very fast with this change and quit faster than if they had the normal catchup gear options going into firelands. Blizzard is saying with this change that they don’t think normal raids matter much at all. And i believe they don’t also but they should stick to the true loot design of the xpac.
@@killionayr2077 the GPKPs are just fine and not going anywhere. but if a guild is only 3/13H and they have been trying since release they may wanna rethink something.
@@Matt-np3wk i wasnt talking about gdkp, i was talking about guilds that use a EPGP loot system, because all the guilds that use that system are typically garbo
@@Matt-np3wk the game needs a representation of good, mediocre and bad players, they all help the game survive. Just crazy that they added more catchup systems when there are already enough in the game
No I disagree should NOT put current heroic drop items to buy maybe a little after Firelands raid is out but not while current raid tier is still active.
Now if only if we could do something about the toxic elitism that spews forth during random dungeon runs. Kind of asinine when some rando tank wants to kick players just because they have a lower DPS even though it is literally not affecting the run and the player is actively involved and not being a liability. I can understand someone not wanting to "carry," but how else are people supposed to get gear to do higher dps in dungeons that already have a minimum gear requirement to get into that clearly those players meet anyway?
The staff taking (worst case scenario) twice as long on 10m is annoying as hell. 25m could have 4 staves when 10m get their first one, ugh... And the impact of 4 of those on DPS characters vs 1 in 10m is going to make 25m way easier to run. Shaaaaafting 10 mans you love to see it.
just in 25man you need like x2,5 staves compared to 10man with 3 max 4users compared to 25man, having like 8-9, hope you understand its balanced around that.
@Osanve why should that matter? I can confidently state that we are NOT going to give a staff to our rogue, no matter how long it takes... And if it's the argument "everyone will split 25 man into two 10", well I know a few people who send their casters into a 25 man gdkp and then come back to 10, so it's the same but reverse, no difference imo (obv not everyone going to 25 for the staff, but neither would everyone split).
Do people just dont understand how getting the staff works? Everyone in your 10 man group who needs the staff will have it when dragon soul comes out. Which is not the case for 25 man groups in most cases. Despite the droprates being higher an average 25 man group needs between 8 to 10 staves. While a 10 man group needs 2 at most 3 in rare cases but having 3 caster dps in a 10 man is already a weird comp. Meanwhile a 25 man group can run atleast 5 mages and 4-5 more warlocks/balance/elem/spriests
@Osanve except it's not... cause in 25man you don't have 10 ranged players and only 6 melee usually. You might have 8 at most, in 10man you have 3 minimum with a 4th in most groups. because of how the game was designed favoring ranged and 10mans being less forgiving. That being said, I think if they just bumped 10mans to a 7-9 week rather than 9-12 week schedule, that wouldn't be too bad. 25man groups having 3-4 staves when 10man has 1 is a bit ubsurd.
I hate how everyone jumps to 25m v 10m fuck, can’t we just acknowledge that 9-12 weeks for the first staff is fucked? If you really want 25m to dumpster 10m (which it does on loot anyways, almost all 25m are bis and 10m are probably still missing a piece) then just make 25m 2/3 weeks and 10m 5/6weeks. Anymore than that, and it’s just taking fun away. Also why are NM and Heroic the same ? Shouldnt 10m heroic be like 25 m heroic ? Or something…
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Only 372 weapons that should be put on are the Nef axes.
I'm not Enhance, but their only weapons are from Nef and they have no crafted weapons from the Molten Front nor a 378 Firelands BoE.
thank you for the acknowledgement. My guild just downed him for the first time 3 resets ago and we have killed him twice total no heroic. 1 Axe each kill and they were fed to me. Pretty sweet finally since i've been using the same claw/axe since week one of phase 1.
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They might just add all of the items now :D Council Trinket should be in there as well, doesnt make any sense to put some in and some not.
Still no H-Crushing Weight either. Would like to see that on there as well.
After checking again, even the satchels have been reduced in cost.
yeah would also like to see crushing weight there
Does any spec actually use this trinket? I swear we've disenchanted every single one since release, had to have been like 15 of them, not one person in two 25 man raiding groups wanted one.
No Prestor's from Nef either
@@TheYknurts just checked ptr -there's prestor in there
Crushing weight been added
no one will bother with the wands anyway because we can buy the 378 one with 700 valor, assuming both vendors are in at the same time. If not just wait a few days and buy it with the saved up valor from farming these fissure dungeons
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Ok so wtf happened to our valor vendor. You can’t at this moment convert your valor points to conquest points. I farmed 26k valor for the sole purpose of getting some PvP gear. But they can’t keep simple stuff going. These changes are pretty great though
conq points were disabled till new pvp season. current conq gear can be purchased for honor points
@@OsanveChest, Head, Legs and Weapons still cost conq.
@@Osanve will we then get a chance to substitute our valor for conquest points afterwards or is that time already passed?
That was a bit of a gamble on your part. When the new patch drops, Valor should be converted to Justice (this is how it's worked in the past). Good luck!
@@Osanve But its weird cuz there are still items costing conq, and my character still has 40k of it.
Ascendant Council is the hardest encounter in this phase with the least guild kills in both 10 and 25 man heroic. Would have made sense to have the two trinkets and rest of the loot from the encounter added to the vendor.
The non heroic weapon choices is the worst. Enhancement Shaman got shafted for weapons this tier. Guild is scared of heroic nef who drops the ONLY upgrade Enhancement can use this entire tier. No crafted 365 agility 1 hander that Enhancement can use either. Just put the damn heroic weapons on the vendor.
I play enhanc as well and I fully agree. They hate enhanc players. I couldn't believe my eyes when I seen there were no agi 365 weapons but there is a weapon for literally every other class.
Play a real class/spec
Not sure many people will buy them when you will be able to get 378ilvl pvp weapons which will be miles ahead and when you can enchage valor to conquest wouldnt take long at all.
Scotty is the BoE Wand that drops from T11 trash mobs available on the vendor?
Yea its called AH vendor
all boe drops will still be boe drop
So when are the dungeons available, the tuesday or thursday when firelands is out?
Dungeons this coming Tuesday and Firelands raid is November 7th
They should have added the BoE caster wand. Caster wands dont exist
Only other change that would be nice would be adding each mount for 1000 fissures each. That way after 100 runs, you're guaranteed to get one of your choice.
After mythic season seeing grim batol makes me sick
Same with the molten front
did they add in the strengh trinkit?
well there is one (heart of rage), but the sad thing that other stat users (int/agi) have 3 trinkets available from new vendor, and str users didn't get crushing weight on vendor
are these changes coming tomorrow? i have many many alts and waiting for better gears to come on justice vendor. cause they cant even do hc except my healer shammy.
What’s the point of so many alts if you can’t even raid on your main?
@@idkidgaf I've just came back to game after 1 year or so since wotlk p3. i was just leveling up so hard with xp buff for past 2 weeks and all my chars are low gear. just geard my resto for inferno dungs in last couple of days (nearly 346 ilvl. need a valor relic)
Happy to be a casual solo LFR player in cata!
kek sad life u live get good ands raid with normal people dont be a bad lfr player
@@Holylightt99what a pleb comment, some players work full time, have kids etc so it makes sense to have a solo aspect to the mmo we all love
@@SoulHero777 then thoes people should play a single player game not a MMO wow isnt for solo players never has been never will be
@@Holylightt99Except literally the whole levelling journey from 1 to 80 is solo content, then players are forced to do pre-organised group content at end game. That makes no sense. Players should be free to enjoy the game in their own way, not because you want to gatekeep them.
@@CardBoredB0x it’s not gate keeping lol it’s people refusing to actually play the game and want to be all no I hate.people but I want raid gear
those inferno dungeons must drop 359 normal raid gear, period!
Not bad but they should do every hc item t11 will die anyways
Seems like every trinket got put on the vendor. Including your dodge one 🙂
When are we getting this
Tuesday
chewsday
i dont raid anymore since icc and thats a nice feature for me like the alpha - gamma dungeons in wrath
Good vid
in my opinion getting the Staff in 10 man should take alot longer compared to 25 man, otherwise doing 25 man raids is just dumb and makes no sense, everyone would only do 10 man to get more staffs for the guild
Why does it matter what other size other peoples raids are?
@@jobozo99 people should run the Raid size that they most enjoy without feeling like they miss out on stuff, and the people that enjoy 25 man more than 10 man are forced to do 10 man if they wanna be efficient. The way it is right now is perfectly balanced. by the time dragonsoul is here everyone in your 10 man group who needs a staff will have one. so why do you want more than that? it will not even be the case for 25 man raids, there some people will still not have the staff when dragonsoul is here even tho its faster than 10 man so technically its not balanced and 25 man raid should get staff a little bit faster
@@HaileyXrworst case scenario it takes 6 weeks for the first 25 staff. Then another staff every 2 weeks after that. So in 5 months that’s 8 staves. More than enough for all the dps casters.
if they reduce the time it takes to get the staff on 10m then 25m guilds will be incentivized to go down to multiple 10m groups to farm as many staffs as possible before dragon soul
By the time we reach dragon soul 25m groups are going to have like 8 staves anyway. I’m sure DS is really balanced around that many casters having that many legendaries… oh wait
What's the point in gatekeeping anything in classic? We are supposed to get faster cadence which means more loot quicker. Just give us everything and let us crush the content as we see fit.
people would literally be done with the game in 2 days man , lets be sensible in our comments lol. I'm shocked you typed that comment all the way out and still hit send
@gato8759 I mean if you think I meant all the tiers at one time that's on you. We were clearly talking about items.
@@williamlee1811 its clear we are on the subject of firelands content not Cata as a whole
They could do wepons 365 versions thn
The 359 weapons is to make it feel good for people who have spent time getting the gear in p1
Love seeing Threatbur as your tank. Guy is an absolute gamer.
do we know when infernodungeons drop?
Not having Affixes suuuuuuucks :(
No heroic crushing weight, after guild decided not to run council after 1 kill :( *cries in frost DK*
It's on the vendor. Costs 50.
there is such a random shitmash of loot on this vendor wtf. Random belts for some classes. 2 Cloaks for casters 0 for others. wtf is happening rn
I think this change is bad because it inadvertently shafts casual guilds gear progression, those guilds had players with 359 to 364 ilvl going into firelands and getting 378 drops feels pretty good. Letting those players just automatically grind to 370+ in dungeons is a really lazy implementation of a catchup mechanic especially when molten front was there specifically for this reason. The casual players are going to be done gearing in normals very fast with this change and quit faster than if they had the normal catchup gear options going into firelands. Blizzard is saying with this change that they don’t think normal raids matter much at all. And i believe they don’t also but they should stick to the true loot design of the xpac.
Honestly, even casual guilds should be like 9 or 10 out of 13.
@@Matt-np3wk remember the 3/13H EPGP guilds. They might be RIP after this
@@killionayr2077 the GPKPs are just fine and not going anywhere. but if a guild is only 3/13H and they have been trying since release they may wanna rethink something.
@@Matt-np3wk i wasnt talking about gdkp, i was talking about guilds that use a EPGP loot system, because all the guilds that use that system are typically garbo
@@Matt-np3wk the game needs a representation of good, mediocre and bad players, they all help the game survive. Just crazy that they added more catchup systems when there are already enough in the game
No I disagree should NOT put current heroic drop items to buy maybe a little after Firelands raid is out but not while current raid tier is still active.
Now if only if we could do something about the toxic elitism that spews forth during random dungeon runs. Kind of asinine when some rando tank wants to kick players just because they have a lower DPS even though it is literally not affecting the run and the player is actively involved and not being a liability. I can understand someone not wanting to "carry," but how else are people supposed to get gear to do higher dps in dungeons that already have a minimum gear requirement to get into that clearly those players meet anyway?
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@@Zutang777 In two weeks you will see how wrong you were.
The staff taking (worst case scenario) twice as long on 10m is annoying as hell. 25m could have 4 staves when 10m get their first one, ugh... And the impact of 4 of those on DPS characters vs 1 in 10m is going to make 25m way easier to run. Shaaaaafting 10 mans you love to see it.
just in 25man you need like x2,5 staves compared to 10man with 3 max 4users compared to 25man, having like 8-9, hope you understand its balanced around that.
@Osanve why should that matter? I can confidently state that we are NOT going to give a staff to our rogue, no matter how long it takes... And if it's the argument "everyone will split 25 man into two 10", well I know a few people who send their casters into a 25 man gdkp and then come back to 10, so it's the same but reverse, no difference imo (obv not everyone going to 25 for the staff, but neither would everyone split).
"There's no point running 25man when 10man drops the same loot"
"25man loot is shafting 10man"
Choose one.
Do people just dont understand how getting the staff works? Everyone in your 10 man group who needs the staff will have it when dragon soul comes out. Which is not the case for 25 man groups in most cases. Despite the droprates being higher an average 25 man group needs between 8 to 10 staves. While a 10 man group needs 2 at most 3 in rare cases but having 3 caster dps in a 10 man is already a weird comp. Meanwhile a 25 man group can run atleast 5 mages and 4-5 more warlocks/balance/elem/spriests
@Osanve except it's not... cause in 25man you don't have 10 ranged players and only 6 melee usually. You might have 8 at most, in 10man you have 3 minimum with a 4th in most groups. because of how the game was designed favoring ranged and 10mans being less forgiving. That being said, I think if they just bumped 10mans to a 7-9 week rather than 9-12 week schedule, that wouldn't be too bad. 25man groups having 3-4 staves when 10man has 1 is a bit ubsurd.
I hate how everyone jumps to 25m v 10m fuck, can’t we just acknowledge that 9-12 weeks for the first staff is fucked? If you really want 25m to dumpster 10m (which it does on loot anyways, almost all 25m are bis and 10m are probably still missing a piece) then just make 25m 2/3 weeks and 10m 5/6weeks. Anymore than that, and it’s just taking fun away. Also why are NM and Heroic the same ? Shouldnt 10m heroic be like 25 m heroic ? Or something…
Nothing can force me to attend 25 player raids. I feel very comfortable in a 10 player raid. Loot doesn't matter because fun is more important.
this game is such trash
sss
I mean this is basically TWW game play. They should just open it all up.
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