People are so delusional. Their roster is shit. They were never going to be good this year. They’re a bottom-5 team on paper. Then add no Laine. Of course it’s not a failure. It’s year 3.
@Steve.bennet that's a bad comparable. It's year 3 and they didn't draft a demidov and didn't have any great goal scorer. Rebuilds take 5 years MINIMUM
I don’t disagree with this. The key is Slaf. He has to become a top line player. He is our X factor and at this point he is demonstrating some concerning habits.
Snake asked a good question last week? "How many players on the present Habs roster today are sure bets to still be with the team when they should be entering their Cup contending window?" I would say Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Guhle, Hutson, and maybe Dach. That's 6 out of 23 players. The rebuild is far from finished.
Every contenders teams top players are usually 25+ every single one of montreals top young players aren't even 22-23. especially dmen they usually take even longer than forwards! And their top prospect isn't even on the team yet. Give it time.
The team has regressed, they were suppose to take a step this year, but they have actually gotten worse, by any metric you want to pick. Hugo saying they wanted to be in the mix was a pipe dream. The games are hard to watch when our "star" players looks lost defensively and almost everyone to a man looks so disinterested in playing with any passion.
We’ve had three top ten picks, and only one is playing. You all need to chill and trust the process. We are three years off contending. Defence are all young, top line isn’t even hitting there prime yet. When this rebuild is all said and done, caufield, Suzuki and dach will be the second line.
Or gone rebuilds change a lot, a lot of dead wood gone next year will help if they can get a good vet who works hard and can score to with young players.
@@oasisbeyondDo you have a name and how much he will cost??? Not too many free agents including the french ones want to come play here. This bad season may deliver the best player of this rebuild...lets be hopeful !!!
When ppl bring up that mtl is not patient enough for à rebuild they are talking about right now... mailloux hudson demidov slafs reindbacher are the building blocks... the team is 3 years remote of a cup final... most fans are still chill... médias are freakin out tho
I really liked this podcast before but your pissing me off with all these negative podcasts lately. Get a grip on reality. This is the youngest team in the league. Get that thru your heads. Your content is a year too early. Talk about these things in a year or 2. Not now. Wake up.
The main question is: Once the rebuild is over, do we want to be a middle of the pack team or a Stanley Cup contender? If we want to be a dominant team, then this rebuild is either not finished or a failure.
Most Montreal fans/media just want to make the playoffs...that's it. This is why it is the very first genuine rebuild in the last 30 years. People are used to quick resets on the fly then back in the playoffs. If Montreal wants a good team, then they have to accept the pains of a rebuild. However, did HuGo do all the right moves so far ???..That's debatable !!!
Tony I have a question you might ask:Are teams trying to form a calder trophy winner OR a hart trophy contender ? If their developpement goes by the minors it should be done now while they are eligible we cant have 6 yougnsters on defense and need a right D with experience
this team is in a normal process , its time now to see what we have ! lack of expirience and more pressure will give them confidence if done right !! its all about caracter and who has some !!
I said the samething about MSL having no system, and Gally should be captain. Facebook warriors crucified me. After this episode people will now start agreeing. Lol
Appreciate the podcast and the opinion, but I can't disagree more with the perspective. I am telling you this team will be > .500 for the last half the season and be in the mix. These guys are expecting an incremental increase every 10 games. That's not how it works. Last year it was about opening up their offense. This year it is about teaching them defensive hockey. Something that takes a while to learn with so few veterans. But more importantly, it takes time. Relax ppl
@ that means nothing if he doesn’t develop and perform. Problem is, he already has his money. I am not saying he is a busy, but I would like to see him use his tools to start to dominate. At this point I see him being lazy more than competitive way too often.
Let’s be serious we can draft 10 Gretzkys but marty mouse system woukd still ruin them. At this point bring up all the rockets and their coach if we are going to loose we will do it with heart
I don't like the fact they used the word "rebuild". I'd rather they just say they are in a transition or in a development phase with young players or something like that. It feels like with rebuild there is an expectation the team will at some point be built. What happens if the team isn't that good at the end of it. Also, it kills enthusiasm for the team on the ice.
Great show guys. It get as Sick as Sick can get from a BC fan point of view. Lol. Sorry but I totally disagree about the team age group as an excuse. It is all about the system. Guys play like peewee level hockey. You can see that the players are fed up starting with Suzuki about this daddy teaching approach. Grown men made it to NHL enough of that petty approach. Time to play hockey dammit.
For the time being, the problem is the the coach...this team lacks pure talent/skills and grits. Hopefully, the next draft will be as good as the last one (Demidov and Hage).
leave Marty alone Your going to let him go after all the hype you gave him haha sheesh i want to see him around for the wins and they will come just look at the picks and don't forget fowler who's playing Steller right now.
Get an experienced coach to help MSL. Regain some heavy defence that was lost when Kovacevic left and MSL stopped playing Arber. Find some heavy forward veterans to ehlp the little guys. This team is not playing heavy and losing puck battles. This team is getting outcoached. Add veteran experience ON and BEHIND the bench please.
screw it put gally and Evans 1st line .. or put the lines back to last years line up . were gona loose anyway like i keep saying this is a ahl team right now in the mix for top pick … 2027 well be better patience is key
Slaf is not a high end skilled player. Power forward with some skill. Unfortunate that draft year stunk. Plus not taking Michkov for a team struggling for high end offense was a huge mistake.
DOBSON is a young top#1 or 2 defenseman, you will need to give at least a Slafkovsky or a Suzuki to possibly get him. They will never trade Dobson...he is too valuable !!!
ALL the habs players are dummies but can show at times some good hockey IF the yare given time to think time to get going.You know what you usually don't have in the nhl>>TIME.
It always makes me chuckle when Hutson sets up play in o-zone and all his teamates just stand there not knowing what to do . Better to laugh than cry I guess lol
We need to swap Matheson out for a guy like trouba, or another big shutdown right D. We have lots of good young guys on left d right now we need a legit guy to reinforce them.
Matheson is not the problem, it is the way they overuse him !!! The guy is a 2nd pairing dman not a #1 defenseman. Who would you replace him with ??? Guhle is no top#1 D !!!
Is there even just one playoff team in the NHL that would trust MSL to take their team to the next level? Yeah, that's a laugh... Marty's NHL coaching career will be over as soon as he is finally done in Montreal.
Evans so bad wouldn’t make any other team - less than 30 goals in almost 300 games, minus player his whole career, lost every draw killing penalties, let Nylander skate by him without touching him for his goal, skated away from Calgary goal scorer for tying goal the other night, never hits anyone, soft!!
Excuses excuses.You think 200+ games is not enough to learn anything like we have learned NOTHING so what is another 200+ games going to do? What this team lacks SHOULD already be understood BEFORE you arrive to the NHL.If somehow you spent 10 years playing hockey and learned nothing it should take no more than a few games to understand even one thing at a time but we have learned NOTHING. NHL coaching means nothing all the coaches are trash the NHl relies ONLY on being lucky enough to get the best talent through drafts. Like how many years do you haver to play hockey to learn to SHOOT the dam puck?
Keep inflating MSL's tires, Tony. Truth is, this guy's a shit coach and was only hired for one reason. And we all know what that is. As long as they keep putting language politics ahead of winning, they're going to have limited choices. And garbage like this is what you get. Therrien 3.0 everyone! Coming soon.
That being said love having Shayne on here as a host on Fridays I hope it continues. Sick podcasts top recruit!
Way way way better than the other guy!!!
great show guys your making sense out of this and thats what most fans need to hear ! good job !
People are so delusional. Their roster is shit. They were never going to be good this year. They’re a bottom-5 team on paper. Then add no Laine. Of course it’s not a failure. It’s year 3.
5 more seasons
Ask Buffalo how many yrs their rebuilds be going. 😅
@Steve.bennet that's a bad comparable. It's year 3 and they didn't draft a demidov and didn't have any great goal scorer. Rebuilds take 5 years MINIMUM
@ Colorado , Tsmoa and Chicago are the teams to make the comparaison
I don’t disagree with this. The key is Slaf. He has to become a top line player. He is our X factor and at this point he is demonstrating some concerning habits.
Snake asked a good question last week?
"How many players on the present Habs roster today are sure bets to still be with the team when they should be entering their Cup contending window?"
I would say Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield, Guhle, Hutson, and maybe Dach.
That's 6 out of 23 players. The rebuild is far from finished.
Every contenders teams top players are usually 25+ every single one of montreals top young players aren't even 22-23. especially dmen they usually take even longer than forwards! And their top prospect isn't even on the team yet. Give it time.
The team has regressed, they were suppose to take a step this year, but they have actually gotten worse, by any metric you want to pick. Hugo saying they wanted to be in the mix was a pipe dream. The games are hard to watch when our "star" players looks lost defensively and almost everyone to a man looks so disinterested in playing with any passion.
Always a great job Shane!
We’ve had three top ten picks, and only one is playing. You all need to chill and trust the process. We are three years off contending. Defence are all young, top line isn’t even hitting there prime yet. When this rebuild is all said and done, caufield, Suzuki and dach will be the second line.
Or gone rebuilds change a lot, a lot of dead wood gone next year will help if they can get a good vet who works hard and can score to with young players.
@@oasisbeyondDo you have a name and how much he will cost??? Not too many free agents including the french ones want to come play here. This bad season may deliver the best player of this rebuild...lets be hopeful !!!
Caufield is a 40/50 goal player. If he can that on the second line, so be it.
Great podcast guys, ❤keep up the great info.
When ppl bring up that mtl is not patient enough for à rebuild they are talking about right now... mailloux hudson demidov slafs reindbacher are the building blocks... the team is 3 years remote of a cup final... most fans are still chill... médias are freakin out tho
I really liked this podcast before but your pissing me off with all these negative podcasts lately. Get a grip on reality. This is the youngest team in the league. Get that thru your heads. Your content is a year too early. Talk about these things in a year or 2. Not now. Wake up.
The main question is: Once the rebuild is over, do we want to be a middle of the pack team or a Stanley Cup contender? If we want to be a dominant team, then this rebuild is either not finished or a failure.
Most Montreal fans/media just want to make the playoffs...that's it. This is why it is the very first genuine rebuild in the last 30 years. People are used to quick resets on the fly then back in the playoffs. If Montreal wants a good team, then they have to accept the pains of a rebuild. However, did HuGo do all the right moves so far ???..That's debatable !!!
Suzuki is a #2 center
Tony I have a question you might ask:Are teams trying to form a calder trophy winner OR a hart trophy contender ?
If their developpement goes by the minors it should be done now while they are eligible we cant have 6 yougnsters on defense and need a right D with experience
this team is in a normal process , its time now to see what we have ! lack of expirience and more pressure will give them confidence if done right !! its all about caracter and who has some !!
I said the samething about MSL having no system, and Gally should be captain. Facebook warriors crucified me. After this episode people will now start agreeing. Lol
Appreciate the podcast and the opinion, but I can't disagree more with the perspective. I am telling you this team will be > .500 for the last half the season and be in the mix.
These guys are expecting an incremental increase every 10 games. That's not how it works.
Last year it was about opening up their offense. This year it is about teaching them defensive hockey. Something that takes a while to learn with so few veterans. But more importantly, it takes time.
Relax ppl
They said they hope to be in the mix,not necessarily in the mix,😅
Habs 4 game win streak starts tonight. If they held on in Calgary and took one other game, they would be .500
It is a failure, they will rebuild the rebuild
Ohhhh snap ! That’s what they meant by saying they would be « in the mix » ! In the mix for the 1rst pick lotery draft lol
It's not too late to scrap a failing defensive system for a simpler one that matches the teams makeup better.
Is it possible we missed on Slaf and Reinbacher? That is a tough question to ask at this point, but if we did, add another 2-3 years to the “rebuild”
Slaf is by far the best player of his draft year.
@ that means nothing if he doesn’t develop and perform. Problem is, he already has his money. I am not saying he is a busy, but I would like to see him use his tools to start to dominate. At this point I see him being lazy more than competitive way too often.
Next year is the true first year of the rebuild. A lot of dead wood will be gone.
Choice of coach is killing this rebuild.
More they lose...better picks they get: this is a rebuild not just a simple reset like in the Bergevin's era !!!
Rebuilding starts with management and coaches.
Let’s be serious we can draft 10 Gretzkys but marty mouse system woukd still ruin them. At this point bring up all the rockets and their coach if we are going to loose we will do it with heart
Bottom 5 is what this team need. Too many holes, no rush.
Sorry I texted Tony !
I started texting before seeing it was Shane
I really thought it looked good. Seems they keep putting injury prone skaters on the ice. Young team. The LeClair/Roy curse continues
I don't like the fact they used the word "rebuild". I'd rather they just say they are in a transition or in a development phase with young players or something like that. It feels like with rebuild there is an expectation the team will at some point be built. What happens if the team isn't that good at the end of it. Also, it kills enthusiasm for the team on the ice.
Great show guys. It get as Sick as Sick can get from a BC fan point of view. Lol. Sorry but I totally disagree about the team age group as an excuse. It is all about the system. Guys play like peewee level hockey. You can see that the players are fed up starting with Suzuki about this daddy teaching approach. Grown men made it to NHL enough of that petty approach. Time to play hockey dammit.
yup no panik is absolutly right !! so tell tony he works for sick not TMZ !!!!!!!!!!!
Sick
For the time being, the problem is the the coach...this team lacks pure talent/skills and grits. Hopefully, the next draft will be as good as the last one (Demidov and Hage).
I should have said: the problem is not the coach...
leave Marty alone Your going to let him go after all the hype you gave him haha sheesh i want to see him around for the wins and they will come just look at the picks and don't forget fowler who's playing Steller right now.
Get an experienced coach to help MSL. Regain some heavy defence that was lost when Kovacevic left and MSL stopped playing Arber. Find some heavy forward veterans to ehlp the little guys. This team is not playing heavy and losing puck battles. This team is getting outcoached. Add veteran experience ON and BEHIND the bench please.
Rebuild the rebuild
They just need to be luckier at the draft table...Slafkovsky and Reinbacher will be good players but no game changers...Demidov is a great pick !!!
screw it put gally and Evans 1st line .. or put the lines back to last years line up . were gona loose anyway like i keep saying this is a ahl team right now in the mix for top pick … 2027 well be better patience is key
Slaf is not a high end skilled player. Power forward with some skill. Unfortunate that draft year stunk. Plus not taking Michkov for a team struggling for high end offense was a huge mistake.
Matheson, Barron, Mesar trade to New York for Noah Dobson. Matheson, I would never resign him.I'd resign Savard for 2 years.
DOBSON is a young top#1 or 2 defenseman, you will need to give at least a Slafkovsky or a Suzuki to possibly get him. They will never trade Dobson...he is too valuable !!!
ALL the habs players are dummies but can show at times some good hockey IF the yare given time to think time to get going.You know what you usually don't have in the nhl>>TIME.
It always makes me chuckle when Hutson sets up play in o-zone and all his teamates just stand there not knowing what to do .
Better to laugh than cry I guess lol
We need to swap Matheson out for a guy like trouba, or another big shutdown right D. We have lots of good young guys on left d right now we need a legit guy to reinforce them.
Matheson is not the problem, it is the way they overuse him !!! The guy is a 2nd pairing dman not a #1 defenseman. Who would you replace him with ??? Guhle is no top#1 D !!!
The Lavel Rocket is 9-1.
Bodes well for the future.
Is there even just one playoff team in the NHL that would trust MSL to take their team to the next level? Yeah, that's a laugh... Marty's NHL coaching career will be over as soon as he is finally done in Montreal.
Fire St. Louis.
Trade armia Dvorak Primeau montembault Matheson Savard Anderson for future considerations
Should of never said the in the mix phrase. Shit their own pants
The first 20 minutes is just the same video over again. Bring something new.
Evans so bad wouldn’t make any other team - less than 30 goals in almost 300 games, minus player his whole career, lost every draw killing penalties, let Nylander skate by him without touching him for his goal, skated away from Calgary goal scorer for tying goal the other night, never hits anyone, soft!!
Excuses excuses.You think 200+ games is not enough to learn anything like we have learned NOTHING so what is another 200+ games going to do?
What this team lacks SHOULD already be understood BEFORE you arrive to the NHL.If somehow you spent 10 years playing hockey and learned nothing it should take no more than a few games to understand even one thing at a time but we have learned NOTHING.
NHL coaching means nothing all the coaches are trash the NHl relies ONLY on being lucky enough to get the best talent through drafts.
Like how many years do you haver to play hockey to learn to SHOOT the dam puck?
Keep inflating MSL's tires, Tony. Truth is, this guy's a shit coach and was only hired for one reason. And we all know what that is. As long as they keep putting language politics ahead of winning, they're going to have limited choices. And garbage like this is what you get. Therrien 3.0 everyone! Coming soon.
They said they hope to be in the mix,not necessarily in the mix,😅