Part Two: The Dennis the Menace Creator was a Shockingly Bad Man | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part Two: The Dennis the Menace Creator was a Shockingly Bad Man | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert and Randy discuss Hank's unorthodox parenting methods, how he tried to get laid at Disneyland, and some very uncomfortable racism.
Original Air Date: March 21, 2024
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Only worse way I can think of Hank telling his son that mom is dead is to just write it into the comic and wait for him to read it….
I am once again BEGGING for the editors to add the pictures being shown to the guests on the videos.
bump
media.snopes.com/images/racial/graphics/dennis.jpg
That shit right there is the image.
They create it as a voice-only podcast.. there would need to be a financial incentive to add anything beyond a spectrogram which can be automatically generated.. as it stands I get that but I also think it may create other issues if they start including media... because if you start with a picture, why not show the clips they are showing guests as well and it spirals... would be nice but they are not making a youtube video... they are porting over a podcast.
@@adam346comrade, did you know that it isn't a crime for media to adapt to the medium it's shared over? it's true!
@@LexYeen to what benefit though? If I am not watching 95% of the video and then they talk about a picture, the odds of me stopping what I am doing, clicking back to the youtube video to check out that singular picture... it doesn't make sense. A more reasonable request would be to maybe add links to the photos/videos being shared, I think that is more doable.
2:34 fun Trek fact about Jonathan Frakes, Riker's actor. He suffered a back injury as a young man that made sitting very painful. His ways of sitting in chairs isn't a character quirk, its him coping with the disability after an injury and making it look *fun.*
For that, he's one of my favorite people on the planet ❤
Even without them explicitly addressing it, you could count it as a low-key example of disability visibility
Just another reason Riker is great.
21:40 I couldn't help but notice something weird about that metaphor. Usually people compare a child to a seed or sapling, but he chose an inanimate instrument instead. And I have a hunch why:
When you neglect a plant as much as he neglected his child, it dies. When you neglect a seed that much, it never even begins to live. Comparing his child to a piano implies "my child was totally complete regardless of my input so the fact that I never did anything for him was okay, but the lack of a reward was disappointing" instead of "my child's growth is testament to his resilience because I did the legally-mandated bare fucking minimum to help him live".
Yep, that's the thing I gathered from that.
Literal objectification
1:25 "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
You are right -- those kids with cancer have had it too good for too long.
"Stews" is upstate NY regional dialect. Not in Utica, though. It's an Albany expression.
I see. You know, these stews are awfully similar to the flindants they have on United Airlines...
"Oh, I hate _everything_ about this shit!"
"A stewardess, at this time of year? In this part of the country? Located entirely in your kitchen?"
@@anjetto1Yes!
@@nexdemise4182 Can I see?
Schultz: Depicts friendly interracial relationships and integrated schools. Gets so much pushback from publishers he has to threaten to pull his participation completely to get the comic printed as written. Reader and historic praise ensues.
Ketcham: draws a racist caricature and makes a horrifically tasteless pun, gets printed without complaint from publishers, gets angry about reader backlash.
"The Media" is on *whose* side, again?
The wrong side, usually.
the corporate media have always been white supremacist, and remain so. including the liberal ones.
"B-B-But risks aren't profitable!" - capitalists, probably
To add to your point, the excuses they used were the same. "I don't want to get into politics." Same shit you hear from gamer gate 2 shitheads
The arguments they used to avoid reality and integration are the same they do today. "I don't want to get into politics." "I don't want to get political." Same things gamer gate guys are saying right now. Same now as then before. Same same.
Dennis died in January of this year. Hank is only mentioned in passing.
I have no sympathy for boomers claiming abuse from their parents when they grew up to abuse their parents and their children in every way imaginable.
"Children have no inherent dury to their parents"
God I really needed to hear that today.
Especially if their parents are boomers. The parents of boomers were right to raise them as they raised them. I wish I had had them for parents instead of boomers.
"He got to be Weird Al"
More specifically he go tto be Weird Al SPECIFICALLY AT THE REQUEST OF WEIRD AL PERSONALLY
_holy shit_
Weird Al made a homophobe his girlfriend in UHF and a tr-nscult-loving JK Rowling hater as his movie bio proxy. We need to talk about that.
@@Attmay what a strange way of saying “I am a confederate”.
@@Attmay okay lets talk.
I'm 6'4" and I constantly catch myself Riker-ing chairs without even thinking about it, it really is a superior manner of sitting down if you can manage
the sexiest adaptation to a lower back injury anyone's ever had, really.
Good news, Mom stopped drinking. Bad news, she stopped everything else too.
I googled Jackson. I don't know what I was expecting, but that was somehow far worse.
*Family Circus* had a Black character named Morrie. I can only guess how awkward his introduction was.
The stew stewardess thing sounds like a grandpa Simpson joke.
and that's why today bananas are called yellow fatty beans.
That character is just more boomer confession through projection. *The Simpsons* is full of those.
7:11 It's also entirely possible that Dennis did have learning disabilities and that contributed to him acting out. I remember growing up before I got diagnosed with my learning disabilities I would often get frustrated and act out, and I have parents who helped me which he clearly didn't. Him having a bad home life doesn't necessarily mean that he couldn't also have had learning disabilities.
I'm surprised he even got a diagnosis in the 50s. I'm guessing it was because his family had money, but one of my aunts had problems in school, and they just told my grandmother she was dumb.
@@Specter5053being told you had a learning disability in the 1950s probably did essentially mean they told you that you’re dumb. they used terms like “slow learner”, which is really not that enlightened
@@Specter5053 It would be surprising if he got a diagnosis in the '50s, but he didn't, his dad just said he did in an autobiography.
@@mj.l that didn’t end when the 50s ended.
20:05 this was literally a joke on Archer about how ridiculously over the top abusive his mother was. What the actual fuck.
Thank you to Robert for knowing that dominatrices is the correct plural of dominatrix XD then again, I can't muster any surprise about the fact that he knows this, considering how enthusiastic he also is about the correct pluralisation of attorneys-general.
I immediately have to pause and comment that Robert's introductory tangent about being an adolescent and discovering the first wave of professional webcomic creators and wanting so desperately to join that creative movement just spoke right to my soul. Also, I was very convinced that the Goth (particularly the Edgy) subculture was exactly where I was going to flourish, so it was FLEMcomics (NSFW), Writhe & Shine (mostly safe, IIRC), and Ghastly's Ghastly comic (absolutely NSFW, the last one is almost exclusively about hentai). It was the early 2000s, I was undiagnosed neurodivergent and coming into queerness too, what was anyone to do?
The whole Irish thing is very early 20th century America. My mom's side of the family moved to a small rural community I think around the turn of the century, and for a long time they claimed to be Scottish because there was such a stigma associated with being Irish in the US.
Ah, the joy of living in the country founded by Anglo-Protestants
You all might be on to something with the idea that he was running an experiment, cause I don't see how you could be this bad of a father without actively trying
If you knew what Monterey was like, and you understood the extent of how deeply ingrained the military intelligence apparatus is in that town, it would all make sense. The entire postwar era was one great big psyop. Even the hippies were just a byproduct of that.
When you got to the part where Hank buried Dennis' mother without even telling him, I audibly yelped and whimpered in pain and had to pause the video for a few minutes.
My own father died before I was born, and I wasn't told until I was 18. It CRUSHED me, and I hadn't even known he existed. I can't imagine losing my mom as a grade-school kid and not being told until she was in the ground. It's hard to fathom that someone could hurt their child that way 😢
Goddamn. It's not nearly enough, but I offer an internet hug from a stranger.
My father beat me, yelled at my sisters, and cheated on my mother. And he can’t draw for shit. Not only that, he told racist and homophobic “jokes” that he tried to justify with relentless Republican-bashing, he tried to forbid me from watching *the Facts of Life* in reruns while doing nothing to forbid my sisters from watching those Disney and Nick p3d0 shows that make that show look like *The Mary Tyler Moore Show* by comparison, and he tried to stop me from continuing on a carnivore diet even though I actually lost weight with it. And like Dennis the Menace, he is a boomer. Boomers are psychotic in ways no generation ever was before or ever will be again. Stop trying to manipulate me into feeling sorry for them.
"Sexy stew's" is something Austin Powers said but that's literally the only other time I've ever heard stewardess abbreviated like that. Also, I've heard that Gavrilo Princip was sadly not holding a sandwich when he gunned down Franz Ferdinand.
At least he was a better shot than Squeaky Fromme!
Something Positive is a great, hilarious comic that far more deserves all the money Dennis the Menace made than Dennis the Menace ever did.
God, I bet Shinji Akari would be like, “At least *my* dad told me about Mom’s death before getting rid of me to immerse himself in work specifically designed to psychologically destroy me.”
XD probably sadly true despite how funny it is
Why did it take me this long to realize Amazon was an online Sears catalogue?
I don't know how much of this misremembered due to youth, but I think I had a couple of DTM compilation books as a child, and one of them addressed Jackson, and how shit he looked.
It published the original strips, an "ammended" version of Jackson that was comparatively less uncomfortable (but still pretty awkward to a little black child learning about this stuff and trying to square that with innocent cartoon culture) and was basically like "look, this was a thing that happened... sorry, but it's still a part of the strip history".
Itamar Ben-Gvir. Please.
There's a legendary story about his criminal record being so long, a prosecutor was preparing to take him to court and wanted to print it out...
and the printer ran out of ink.
The man is possibly as diabolical as Netanyahu, but more overtly and cartoonishly evil. After the last few months, good old Itamar getting the Robert Evans treatment would soothe my soul.
Oh snap, I was not expecting to hear somebody mention Aesop Rock on here. Nice!
He mentions Ace Rock in one of the Prop episodes too. I don't remember which one tho
Sometime in the early 80s my uncle, who had been a Marine in Viet Nam (I think in '67 but I'm not 100%), told me that he served with Dennis, who said at the time he had not spoken with or had a relationship with Hank for years
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It's funny hearing you talking about Atari and Sears: I'm looking at a Sears Video Arcade on my floor, which is just a rebranded Atari 2600. In order to get Atari consoles and games on Sears shelves, they had to agree to sell them under the Sears Tele-Games name. That's how much pull Sears had in the retail market back in the early 80s. It wasn't just Atari, too. The Mattel Intellivision was rebranded as the Sears Super Video Arcade, and before either of those, the various Pong games (Pong, Super Pong, Pong Doubles, etc) were OEMed as Sears Tele-Games products. Sears used to rebadge a lot of electronics manufacturers' products too, including some really nice Hi-Fis, turntables, guitars, organs, and amps under the Silvertone name. And of course, the entire Kenmore line was made up entirely of OEMed appliances from a ton of different manufacturers.
If we count comic books as “cartoons” then wouldn’t the first live action tv adaptation be Superman?
56 years old, west coast life, I definitely heard stewardesses referred to as 'stews.' However, the context was always kinda sleazy.
All that hippie dippy shit was just another boomer excuse to normalize sexual violence against women by men.
Didn't think I could love this podcast more, until you mentioned Aesop Rock. Rings is such a fantastic song, and Aesop is a national treasure.
If it doesn't exist already, I bet Fantagraphics would LOVE to publish a massive collection of Black comics.
23:35 Dennis the Menace was nowhere near the first comic strip to get a live action movie or TV adaptation. There was a long tradition of adapting comics in live action going all the way back to the silent film days with Little Nemo, Bringing Up Father, and Ella Cinders. The movie based on Percy Crosby's Skippy even won an Oscar in 1931. There was a long series of Blondie Movies in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, and a Blondie TV show in the 50s as well (all starring the voice of Jane Jetson herself, Penny Singleton, as Blondie). There were so many more before 1959 beyond that, but you get the idea.
None of those made a dent in syndication. The *Blondie* sitcom was only on for 2 years IIRC. Barely enough for reruns. They got four seasons out of this and might’ve gotten more if Joseph Kearns hadn’t died. Gale Gordon replaced him as a brother of Mr. Wilson who appears in no other adaptation of the strip, and that’s why he didn’t join *The Lucy Show* as Mr. Mooney until season two.
I can confirm that back in the 50's & 60's, the nickname "stew" was fully common amongst people who flew alot. It was not used as derision; in fact it was used to suggest "I'm in the club". Stewardesses & pilots used it, and meant it to be chummy-- The Stews are our posse, our buds.
And why, given your attitude being what it is, would even jokingly say "I'm gonna call a bunch them tonight and call them Stews"?
Would the Nazi cartoonist you cited happen to be the recently unmasked author of Stonetoss?
You mean Hans Kristian Graebener?
If it was someone else, I would be shocked and/or surprised.
Banger of an episode
Schultz is the GOAT for using his power for good. There are so many people nowadays that have that kind of power, but still only care about money first and foremost.
The thing is, I've seen people post the second cartoon with Dennis and Jackson (the one in which Dennis says Jackson is only different because he's left-handed) in support of what they see as a progressive message. Hearing about the first Jackson cartoon gave me a whole different perspective about the cartoonist.
I am only aware of the slang "stews" from Austin Powers. "Bring on the sexy stews, man!"
Not defending these clearly damaged people's parenting but constant parental supervision is kind of a new thing (last 30-40 yrs) Emotionally distant fathers & over burdened mothers was kind of the norm. So was alcoholism. My dad (who was a child during the depression with dirt farmer parents in OK) told me that when he was a toddler they used to hang him in the barn by the straps of his overalls on a wall to keep him out of the way while everyone worked the farm. 😮 When I expressed shock & concern he simply said: people's priorities were about keeping their kids alive-food, shelter, clothing. They weren't concerned with emotional or psychologicl welfare of children because they couldn't be. This story explained so much to me about my father & his relationship with us. People just weren't as aware of emotional neglect & corporal punishment was perfectly acceptable. By today's standards it is abuse. There is an entire generation of people who are child abuse survivors & it definitely influenced society. I feel so bad for this family. 😢
I respected my grandfather and the men of his generation more than I will ever respect my father or his fellow boomers. One generation beat Hitler to a boogie beat, the other turned its tails and ran in the face of the Viet Cong to as rock ‘n’ roll played in the background. Then the generation of peace and love grew up to gave us endless warfare and took away actual music when they killed disco and movie musicals along with the main target demographic for both of them.
So I started reading something positive when I was 14 in 2002.
It wasn't one of my main reads, but a friend read it so I would sometimes read it. my main reads were Drowtales (read it since 2001), Venus Envy (I was an egg until 2009 somehow), and Zebra Girl (also since 2001). There were a couple that came before those but I honestly don't remember what they were beyond briefly Megatokyo before I couldn't stand the characters.
i got jumpscared looking at that first strip of jackson
Just googled what the kid looks like… OMG. 😳
what he look like
Merchant marine stewards are called stews
I actually have heard "stew" before. It was in an episode of Cold Case that partially took place in the early 1960s. If I remember correctly, the stewardesses referred to each other as such. There were no stewards in the episode, so I'm not sure if it's gender-specific or not.
So Dennis the person is like that kid from the Ursula LeGuin story I haven't read but just for Hank.
I also read Sluggy Freelance. It's still going on!
_Still?!_
Oooh boy, just looked up the Jackson comic. Just as bad as they say it is.
47:16 Don’t call him „the real Dennis the menace“! He’s Dennis Ketcham🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Sears & Roebuck 12GA pump action is a wonderfully sturdy shotgun
Mennis the Denace
Robert the Dobert
I paused to look up the comic where Jackson was introduced and my reaction was exactly the same as Randy's.
Also it is kind of telling that Denis said in 90s he had never met his half siblings who were born in the early 70s.
That Jackson strip could not have been worse
Ketcham's depiction of Jesus looks a lot like an Infiniti ad
As unfortunate as it is, i find the level of self-awareness that the OG Popeye guy had to say, "You dont want ME drawing black people." to be incredibly funny.
I'm really curiousas to what in the Sears Catalogue tipped Ketcham off to the civil rights movement.
I love that song "Rings"
I vividly remember enjoying Bob and George megaman web comics with friends. Good times.
Sophie girl needs to talk more. She's so sweet and sardonic.
She's probably beyond traumatized at this point lol. Robert and the guests banter back and forth giving them a bit more agency in the story, whereas it's like these episodes happen to Sophie. She's like a helpless victim by mere association in these tragic events, I'd be silent in the corner most of the time as well😅
I've only once heard someone call a steward "stew" and it was Groucho Marx in A Night at the Opera, and I'm pretty sure he only did it as a gag.
Hank didn’t really benefit the world, if he and his artistic contributions were evaporated we still have the British variant.
The far superior British D The M.
The one that got called out for homophobia a few years ago?
@@Attmay wasn't even a credible claim, just a character who was indicative of the culture (the character was called Walter the Softy) and was never referred to as gay.
A bit different to a creator who was an utter c**t.
Yooo... was not expecting a Rings shout-out!
Given the behaviour of Hank, and that there tends to be a strong hereditary connection with it, Dennis probably sat somewhere on the adhd spectrum. It's something I've often wondered about, before hearing all the grisily details. Hank shows clear signs of it, and well, being a crappy parent is going to result in the child concerned developing both poor coping strategies with life in general, and their own potentially inherited quirks on top of that.
freaking love Aesop Rock... i went the the release show for The Impossible Kid. damn good album, and every single album he has put out since is genuinely arguably superior.
Aesop Rock is one of the greatest song writers of all time, hands down my current favorite by a long shot.
Rings by Aesop Rock is such a great song. A masterpiece. But it hurts so much to listen to. Hits way too close to home.
I don't think mom looks nervous.
I thought i saw Jackson on the Dennis the menace animated cartoon
That was Jay, Jackson's less problematic replacement.
Dery Queen is the best in the world and I love it very much. More people should go to Dery Queen because she has all the yummies.
Gendo Ikari Evangelion but instead of robots it's cartooning a family doing the darndest things
I don't think you really need to describe a Nazi cartoon as "problematic".
‚problematic‘ nazi cartoons and ‚evil‘ murderers‘😞
Any form of socialism, national or international, is inherently problematic even by its own standard because its origins are imperialist and racist. Jews and homosexuals have benefitted from neither.
Love from a DrunkPeasants and Vaush fan!
Vaush likes horses and lolis
@@lunaticlizzie4525 Horses yes. Where did you get the lolis?
@@VooshSpokesman his folder
@@VooshSpokesman From the folder he accidentally showed onstream?
@@tora0neko When did you see loli stuff in there?
This is so fascinating, 'cuz on the one hand it's an absolutely perfect example of why we need some kind of birth reform in this country, and should only allow people who want and can handle the responsibilities of parenthood to have kids.
...but on the other hand I can totally see why someone could use it as a perfect example of why free birth is useful, since this poor kid's suffering did produce a multi-million dollar franchise and helped people get through their days.
The whole idea of parenting licenses or whatever requirements ppl should meet before having kids is a form of eugenics. Maybe that's not such a bad thing if it can be clearly shown to not have racist motivations. Even if that were the case though,, any adverse outcomes for minority groups would be chalked up to racism.
@@blondequijotethere was a program in the 90’s that would pay homeless and/or drug addicted folks to take birth control. of course it was so controversial it was discontinued and though I can see why I still think maybe it was not such a bad idea…
@@blondequijoteYes, everything you've just said is well-spoken and true, nor are accusations of racism the only problem with the concept of birth reform... but it's not going to matter in a few decades regardless. We can put the discussion off for another couple generations before overpopulation collapses both our ecology and economy, but it seems unfair to force our kids to deal with an issue we could be cutting off before it gets more out of control. Do you think the death squads we'll have in the future will be _less_ racist?
@@danielgehring7437overpopulation is a eugenicist myth designed to make you stop caring about other people, bro.
@@danielgehring7437 What overpopulation? Overpopulation isnt really a problem as birth rates decline.
Are you going to do a *Behind the B---s* for abusive women, or do you only care about abusive behavior when it comes from men?
My first nomination for that series is Mia Farrow. A boomer nepo baby and mid-level talent whose whole life and career has been a string of confessions through projection, and whose brother actually is guilty of what she accused Woody Allen of even after some UA-camr refuted her HBOverrated exercise in malignant narcissism.
Now I know why Woody wanted a younger woman. He was getting sick of screwing around with boomers. First Louise Lasser, then Diane Keaton, then her. No wonder Soon-Yi seemed like a breath of fresh air to him. like the May Pang to his John Lennon. And his movies got better without Mia stinking them up.