2024 NFL Draft Discussion with Chris Simms | PFF NFL Show
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2024
- PFF's Sam Monson and Steve Palazzolo welcome NBC's Chris Simms to discuss some of their favorite prospects from the 2024 NFL Draft Class.
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I love Chris Simms' work. People that say he's a hot take artist have never actually watched his shows. Dude's passion for football is off the charts and he's always super tolerant of different opinions.
That's what I thought and stayed away from his content. He simply just goes against the narrative on certain things. But like he said, he's not perfect. I think Harrison will be much better than Thomas, but I love the insight as to why he thinks that way and technically he's right about the physical traits. But you have to put it out on the NFL field and I think Harrison does that. But yeah, I love Simms thinking. He was sure wrong about Zach Wilson🤣 Maybe Wilson is better if he goes and sits at a place like Green Bay. High Douglas put him in a terrible situation running around for his life and expected to be the savior of the Jets
You know he CAN be a hot take artist AND be passionate about football, right?
I like that he isn’t afraid to go against the grain. For example, I think Malik Washington is a top ten WR in this draft. I have seen nothing on his tape or at the combine that has made me think otherwise. The worst case scenario for him is that he is a solid WR 3 and it will be fun to see if I’m right. If I’m not who cares it just makes the discussion more interesting instead of just talking about the same guys over and over again
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@rhizvo108 call8ng someone a hot take artist is a question of motivation. Just because a guy is different doesn't make him a hot take artist. I don't beleive for 1 second that simms sits down to make his rankings and thinks about what will get clicks.
Regardless of your thoughts on his takes, you can’t deny Simms is a real one. Would love to have a beer with that guy
If you don't mind someone who talks your ear off with a lot of bullshit.
@@MaynardGKrebs-tt1ddWhat makes it BS? I think he’s wrong, but I think he genuinely believes it and he’s actually consistent on his position.
@@GodsServant543people think his draft picks are odd. Nope, that’s just this dude.
@@HarrisonHollers Maybe, but he has consistent “rating rules” and he pretty much sticks to them based on how it plays out in real life
@@GodsServant543 odd is a compliment for Simms
You have to love Simms for the work he puts in, his views and the ownership he takes of his takes. I think his biggest weakness in terms of content is that he doesn't have another analyst to bounce his ideas off of in his own podcast. The analysis is better when he sits with people with different viewpoints like you guys or Connor Rogers.
Couldn't agree more! I've been listening to Simms since his BR days and not having a solid counterpoint doesn't let him review his thoughts during the process. For example, he talks a lot about explosive athletes (especially WR) but how many TDs scored are counted as explosive? Route running matters, I do believe it can be taught/coached but (for example) how much has DK Metcalf improved his route tree?
@@swimmia3Agree. Also considering that the NFL is nowadays an 2 high safety league so the chances of deep throws are getting lesser, which impacts the value of deep threats.
@@swimmia3he hasn't he still is going off straight athleticism
This is a really good point and I hadn't thought about it. I know he talks ball with his dad constantly, but the problem is they see the game too similarly, and that's not really part of the show anymore anyway.
Man, I really love that you guys continue to bring in Chris Simms. He is awesome and the same counts for the collab between you. Great listen!
Every year simms is the best guest
You can always count on Simms to bring something fresh to the table
Simms is the man
Negative
@@drewwilson6639yes he is, and simms would say “negative ghost rider”
He is unbearable to listen to on his own show.
Seems like he puts out rankings that are just the opposite of what the general consensus is for clicks sometimes but listening to him isn’t bad
@@saucy1020ignorant comment when he just explained high level specific details about Maye’s issues for example. We literally never hear this much detail explanation about Maye from non ex pro QBs and the draft rankers because they don’t know what they are talking about. It’s just a bunch of followers trying to make money as pretenders, who then adjust their rankings once the actual experts start diving into the film in March.
Wish we could get a full hour and half podcast with Simms
I know
Great conversation. Simms is great at explaining his takes.
It’s only ever ex pro QBs that can breakdown each player in this much detail. The rest are pretenders who make rankings.
02:10 I might not always agree with your takes, Sam and Steve, but at the end of the day you are two of my favorite analysts/pundits. 🏈💪
Good show, thanks to all three. I will say if I tried to do a 'shot' every time Simms said the word "Right" I would be dead now, my gosh......
Wisdom of the crowds and consensus are only valuable if everyone comes to their own conclusions than aggregate. That’s why it’s important to have people like Simms and Nate Tice who have justifiable but different views of the prospects
Great video! Can’t wait for the draft
Right? Right, Right, Right Right Right Right Right Right right!!
Great show
Simms is the MAN ... keep'n it real ... actually does the work and his common sense reasoning confirms it.
He doesn't talk past you to prove how clever he is. ...(doesn't assume "you should already know" this or that)
this is Kong vs Godzilla for draft prep. Run!!!
Love Simms takes
I have hated on Simms on several occasions. But i appreciated the back and forth with Sam about brian thomas. And the drinky drinky smoky smoky comment made me actually like the guy i think 😂
Simms Heads unite. THERE ARE DOZENS OF US! DOZZZEENNS!!!!!
MHJ is the Jeff Okudah of wide receiver prospects.
Chris Simms is one of the best and honest draft analysts
anyone have an opinion about a number 1 draft QB pick who is only 6 foot tall?
I'm glad someone understands how good BTJr is. His skillet is absolutely going to translate.
I had to turn this off just cause of how many times Simms says “right?”.. and I love the guy lol
Makes the draft process fun.
I love that Simms has a different take on the players, and like you said - he can justify it.
I kind of agree with him about Marvin Harrison Jr. He is great in a lot of ways, but the speed and acceleration was underwhelming based on what I had heard.
You heard wrong, I’m an Ohio state fan. He clearly Looks faster than Rome odunzie on tape. And he ran a 4.47 or something.
Yes, I don't want Ohio state during the season so I hadn't seen him until after I heard all the hype. Expectations were probably too high.
To clarify, I don't necessarily agree that I would take Odunzie and BT above him. I am not certain he will be able to run away from NFL CBs though.
@@samcanlett5891 He’s taller and faster than players who consistently get open and have great years… So how fast do you think he needs to be?
I loved Chris Simms as a player and even more as an analyst.
Simms does a good job
simms rules. nice to have someone push back against recycling the same group think
Take a shot every time Simms says "right"
Maye could still be really really good, he does make second most wow throws behind Caleb in this draft
My comp for Caleb Williams is Donald Vincent Majkowski circa 1989.
Love Simms and also think he's wrong. That's the fun part of draft season...
Personally when I see physically gifted college athletes that don't dominate in college, that concerns me. Makes me wonder what the disconnect is and I would rather bet on good athletes that have the drive to be great.
I liked this collaboration with Sims
Simms is gold - my favourite anylist ...oh and he played....
Simms is the goat!!
Love to see Simms different perspectives.
Simms is the best at what he does !
I have followed Simms because of Florio since 2019, and being a Chiefs fan WE lucked out w\Mahomes but Veach got lucky too since Mahomes did not go to "other" schools. Simms has missed plenty, but the hits are always focused on...and he did play the position plus his Dad is Philzy.
Great episode/discourse. People get way too into their takes, and magnify others misses entirely too much. Draft discourse could be a lot better if more analysts humbled and reminded themselves nothing is certain and no player rises to the top no matter what. Situation/injuries/outside life circumstances can all impact someone’s trajectory regardless of how their actual skillset translates to the league.
Love Chris Simms
Totally agree with MHJ he’s overvalued I’m not seeing electricity.
How does Xavier Leggette fit in the Model?
Simms is my draft GOAT
Did Olerud wear the helmet in the firld from jump? I thought that was a repercussion from getting beaned by Ryan or Clemons...
It’s not like Trevor Lawrence has dominated since joining the league either. And Zach Wilson did have to play for the Jets….
Right.
😂 so annoying once you notice
RIGHT?!
right
Finally, someone who sees AJB in BTJ. They way he fights for inaccurate throws and quickly dukes or throws guys off him after making contested catches. Not his fault LSU rarely scripted full route trees for their team. They played to Jayden's downfield strengths, can't blame the team, and can't blame Brian for doing what the team asked him to do within that.
“I don’t know great corners that run 4.5” - Richard Sherman with a 4.56.
sherman is not a shutdown man to man corner
30:17 that’s a fact
Chris Simms saying Brian Thomas Jr is a lot bigger than MVS tells me that he is just guessing
He has a thicker build and handles contact/physicality much better
Agreed 😂 MVS is literally taller and the same weight
Simms is the goat
Love Simms!
Brian Thomas Jr. reminds me of Demaryius Thomas
Take a shot every time Simms says the word “right”
Didn't they say on the show a few weeks ago that Marvin Harrison jr and Brian Thomas Jr top 5 fastest runs averaged was only a .13mph difference?
Simms is fantastic
Simms loved him some Zach Wilson. Ranked him #1. 😂
He owned that straight up. Maybe try listening to the pod.
What happened at 8:15
I think the show started over.
Saying Cooper might be better at safety than corner isn't a bad take, but comparing him to Weddle is wild. Is there no other safety since 2007 to compare him to, like Antoine Winfield Jr? I suspect he didn't get the pro comparison from just the film or athletic numbers...
Lets just say they both loooove cole slaw and bologna sandwiches.
Love Chris Simms, and not just because he’s making me feel not crazy for taking BTJ at 1.05 in my 1QB league 😂
Chris Simms is THE QB Guy
We literally never hear this much detail explanation about Maye from non ex pro QBs and the draft rankers because they don’t know what they are talking about. It’s just a bunch of followers trying to make money as pretenders, who then adjust their rankings once the actual experts start diving into the film in March.
I watched this mash up of Drake Mayes throws and I was horrified at the number of terrible throws and bad decisions. JJ McCarthy's body of work was much more accurate and made much better decisions.
MVS is an inch taller than Brian Thomas and they weigh the same.
I really miss Todd McShay in this draft process.
These three I watch the overwhelming majority of the time: Chris on his Podcast and PFF
Love (Mel Kiper) as well.
Penix changed his style too
Simms' notes on Chris Jones
Explosive off the ball
Powerful hands
Yuuuuge Conk
😅😅😅
Simms misses all the time. In 2020, Jacob Eason was his #5 QB in the draft. 2019 - Drew Lock was his #2 - and Dwayne Haskins was his number 3 in that draft. He’s Bad.
Everyone misses all the time
2019 was Kyler and nobody else. So he thought Drew Lock and Haskins were better than Daniel Jones? Is that really THAT bad lol
He also said Mahomes, Stroud, and Lamar Jackson were the best QB's of their drafts.
Right. Right?!
There is some jameson williams similarities to brian thomas jr which is why I believe chris is high on him and when you watch marvin he's a taller ceedee lamb. Marvin top 15 pick thomas top 25 pick.
I did a little drinky drinky smokey smokey before I watched this.
I don’t see superstar in Harrison.
Superstars should make more plays than he did, not just be well rounded
If Harrison hits his ceiling it will be as a chain mover and redzone threat. I don’t see him as scaring teams because he’s not scary when he gets the ball. With the other three top WRs they could all be nightmares to game plan against.
MHJ is yeah he’ll make catches
So Cooper Kupp isn’t a superstar nor was AJ Green, Julio Jones or Amari Cooper. Those are his comps…yeah bust city right there
Good ol blockbuster
Could not be more wrong about Flowers
My dream scenario for the Bolts is trade back with the Vikings and get Thomas at 11 and Fuaga or Mims at 23 !!!
I’m a huge simms fan. Nobody gets all the picks right. Not even 32 nfl teams have.
No C-Note option? 🤣
AJ brown doesn’t have to go gadget speed, certainly not over MHJ
Regarding MHJr, I think if you had a redraft of all the HOF receivers you would take Megatron or Moss over Rice. MHJr is Rice in this draft.
Nope… Harrison is the bigger WR, who’s shown better jump ball/contested ability than nabers. He also runs faster than odunzie, and he ran 4.47 or so. None of these WR’s are special prospects with great size and speed.
You can't answer for everyone what Jerry was able to do at WR for as long as he did he certainly would be 1 off the board for alot of people
…right?
right
Dang y’all are so wrong about Drake Maye
Drake Maye is Daniel Jones part 2...
Jaylon Johnson ran a 4.5
Does Chris Simms like AD Mitchell because he’s like 6’3 and runs a 4.39
not in his top 5, around 10 from what I can tell from what he has said.
What these guys will never address when it comes to being wrong about draft evaluation is that its not about batting 1.000 because its simply not possible; what it is about is not being easily wrong/wrong in a big way.
Simms having Wilson #1 is not bad because he was wrong. Its bad because it was easy to see that he was gonna be wrong AND he was wrong in a big way. Not only was he not the best QB in the draft but he was not an early round QB period let alone #2 overall.
Evaluation is not about being correct all the time. Its about avoiding those big/easy to see misses.
Stop misrepresenting what people are arguing.
Wilson has only had 2 seasons in a terrible, terrible offence. Who knows what he will be like in another 4 or 5 years.
It’s annoying that Steve always flexes his model’s hit rate. Like yeah maybe the 80th percentile guys have a high hit rate but if those guys are mainly the prospects that are also top 100 on the consensus big board then ofc the hit rate is high. More interesting would be to know which percentage of the “model guys” that aren’t high on the consensus and which percentage of the “non-model guys” that are high on the consensus end up being hits.
The difference between a guy who knows football and two guys who think they do. Simms made them feel uncomfortable at times.
Knows football are you kidding me
Nepotism is a hell of a drug
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Cant wait for Tyree Wilson to get 10 sacks and dominate against the run this year coming off the bench. He should be fully recovered from his ankle injury and actually have an offseason... assholes
Chris Simms… right?
right
Can someone/anyone please get Simms to stop saying 'Right??'
I think Simms is making the same mistake with MHJ as he did with Will Anderson last year. Both he criticized for not being ultra athletes but Anderson proved that he doesn’t need that to be great and I think MHJ will too.
Simms might not be, but florio is definitely a clickbait artist
crazy that u guys don't know that simms had mahomes as #1
You guys certainly fill your show with ads. Damn lucky it is simms we're here for and UA-cam has fast forward.
nth degree sell outs
Love Chris but Drake Maye is gonna take his credibility down a little..
His dad Phil could throw a better football with both hands tied behind his back
Mel Kiper still thinks Sam Donald was the best QB in his draft 🤷🤷