How far have the Crusaders fallen? Unpacking a BIG Super Round | Aotearoa Rugby Pod
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- The usual crew of James Parsons, Bryn Hall and Ross Karl are back to unpack Super Round in Melbourne's big results, including a hefty loss for the Crusaders and big win for the Chiefs. Referee Ben O'Keeffe is in studio unpacking World Rugby's Shape of the Game forum and Super Rugby Aupiki kicked off in style.
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Petition for this crew to take over the Breakdown
Or just watch this!? 😂
Pointless.
Best rugby show by far. We need more shows with neutral presenters without a big playing background such as Ross Karl.
Springbok fan here. I really enjoyed this show, thanks guys. I think there is a common misconception that more ball in play time is necessarily more attractive and will grow the game viewership. In South Africa, we love scrums, lineouts, defense and the physical side of things. As they say in boxing, styles make fights. We don't want our sport to become like rugby league!
Everything you say is correct. Scrums, line outs and defence is what makes rugby. I think moving players faster to line out or setting scrums faster. One reset or who collapses scrub gives quick tap.
FASCINATING stuff! I wish more channels would cover details like this on improving the game. It's a massive positive step for Rugby and hearing that there's a problem and a strong desire to improve things for everyone based on everyone's thoughts and ideas. Not to mention that we are hearing this directly from Ben, that's even better.
Excellent show brother's. Kia ora from Sydney. 😎👊💪🇳🇿👍🙏
Great show guys keep it up. Hey I would love you to do a show on looking at the workings of a Super club, how they are developing their player identification and recruitment. Also looking at the future of where they are heading in that space.
I don't think the crusaders are bad at all.
Rough start for them, but these things happen sometimes.
Still have a strong talented squad, a couple more weeks sorting things out and they'll be back to near peak.
Selection issues cost the Saders.For starters,two schoolboys at 9 and 10.
@@colinmeehan791 I agree - i think that is the issue that the Crusaders has bringing in a new combination especially at 9 and 10!
Massive assignment!
But in saying that - geez their forward pack looks aggressive!
if that Waratahs and munster beat you , you are in fact bad
@@xmun2450 Munster are the reigning champions of the URC? They beat strong South African teams, they have 21 irish international players and Ireland's arguably the worlds best team currently...they also are on an 11 match unbeaten streak to non-Irish opposition (12 if you count the crusader game), they're in the middle of their season, playing on HOME soil with a home crowd against a rookie b string crusaders team who haven't played any rugby in the last 8-9 months 😐
As for the Tahs, yeah they're crap. But the Tahs have been a bogey team for the Crusaders for some time now, beating them last year and in the 2014 final etc.
One thing that should be policed stricter is players supporting their own body weight. If a players feet are behind his hips, it is impossible for him to support his own body weight. The players body will have to be much higher, which will make it easier for the opponents to clean him. It will be much safer, and there is no need for the crockroll.
exactly and this was something that was implemented in super rugby years ago but not in the northern hemisphere , there players were allowed to put their hands on the ground before going off the ball but they tried to police that hard in the south about 2 years ago, this a big difference between rucks in the north and the south and the difference why in the south the game is faster because they are policed on this.
It's amazing how short memories are, the Crusaders very rarely start super rugby strong at the start of the season. The first year we won the competition we were last after 5 rounds, we don't need to start strong and work hard for the whole season, when we can peak on time and take the trophy again and again and again.
Also we are currently running our third choice for 9 and 10. Not to mention our 2 is new. All three of these guys together cost the Crusaders the game with their errors and they will improve so it won't be a long term problem most likely.
Does the panel think that the wide channel defence of the Blues is an issue. They let in five Lander tries with four of them on Clarke's wing. Clarke seems to come in off his wing in defence like a rugby league winger.
Watching the League games in Las Vegas in the weekend it showcased what union is competing with. Lots of ball in play and little stoppage! I am a dyed in the wool union follower so I will never change my allegiance, but you can see why league is taking union spectators. I hope the any new rule changes create more of a spectacle for union.
Did anyone think the nigel ah wong red card was harsh, hes clearly in a compromised position and he clearly bends and dips so to say there are no mitigating factors is crazy
Why does the theme song sound like a '90s black sitcom intro? LOL I start dancing every time.
Howbto you remove a jackaler without a croc role if you cant also come in with force from the front or from the side for head safety.
That’s what I’m thinking.
Have JK and Goldie suggested changes Sky could make to their broadcast to make things more interesting than the NRL. Talk up the scrums, lineouts, the fact that defences are closer and harder to punch through, the need for strategic kicking to gain field position (because the defence doesn’t give you 10m head start each phase like in League.) Sky should get its own house in order before it asks for a worldwide game to change to preserve its spot in the AUNZ market. I definitely think speeding the game up between scrums and lineouts is something worth pursuing but there are plenty of things that can be improved in broadcast and marketing too.
And yes, I realise BOK is talking about refs wanting to speed it up, but this has been a rolling discussion with JK leading it on The Breakdown.
Crusaders 9 & 10 look way off the pace even for rookies
Schoolboys.Crazy selection.
Rob Penney is a fraud. Hehas Mitch Drummond and Willie Heinz yet chose Noah Hotham at 9. Taha Kemara has been absolute garbage at U20 and at Super Rugby.
And 12
I wish NZR would let players play in the North and still be selected to play for the ABs. It must be great to play for international clubs with players from other countries, to earn a bit more and to understand referring in the North and become familiar with their Rugby culture. This gives players the ability to understand both North and South ways of interpreting rugby laws.
If they remove the croc roll and the head is sacrosanct, then how do players remove an opposition from the ruck when they are head down bent over the player on the ground? Either jackaling or sealing off the ruck.
No hands on the ground in a ruck its simple its something that was heavily pushed in super rugby 2 years ago by gave way to the boring north slow game where you can fall over the ball
@@xmun2450 that doesn't solve the problem. Player head down, bound to a player on the ground doesn't have hands on the ground, but will absolutely be a nuisance that will be almost impossible to dislodge any other way.
There is nothing wrong with the game. What sets union apart from league and sevens is the fact that the set pieces and forwards have a much bigger influence on the game. Referees already struggle to keep up with the game and see everything. They will make more mistakes.
Spot on BUT we need to get rid of
50/20s
goal line drop outs
defensive mauls entering from the side
backs in rolling mauls
truck and trailer mauling
a ruck is a ruck
jackal has too many rights and getting away with it
stop the stoppages
that is exactly wrong with the game and theyre trying to make it more simple so there is less mistakes and simplify many complicated rules
@@xmun2450 I haven't heard of anything they want to change that will make the game simpler. Maybe I have missed something. Speeding the game up and having more ball in play time has nothing to do with making the game simpler.
Let em play ben
What is wrong with rugby. The game is fine. We abs just need to get better at the basics that lets be honest we haven't been the best at for a while
Spot on!
Some games have a lot of unnecessary stoppages where players are waiting for the other side or there is more water boys on the field than players. Teams can abuse the game by slowing it down on purpose. Not all games are like it but, un fit players shouldn’t be able to slow the game if fit players can’t speed it up. Does that make sense?
@@DMD19 weeeeell I don't think it's a simple issue. Cos yes I've seen teams deliberately walk slowly to the lineouts to catch a breath or just take the fizz out of attack momentum and yes that's not good but it's on the blatant end of the spectrum. But below that extreme some element of slowing down the pace and breaking up attacking momentum are legitimate ways of frustrating the opposition. Truth is we ABs fans would love to see the game sped up cos that's how we score our points, fatigue, pressure and mistakes. And teams like SA have their strength in the forwards they're understandably not rushing to the set piece and they'll beat us when they get there. Theres different ways of playing the game and it's the beautiful thing about it and each way is legitimate and absolutely should be respected. Problem is NZers are insinuating that theirs is the superior form of the game and THATS wrong. I was a prop and dammit I love the contest in the scrums, the lineouts and the rucks. Some of the only places left in rugby where there's a true contest. Why roll that back? Cos the ABs wanna play league? Nah. It's that arrogance that I'd argue cost the ABs the rwc. They opted for a potential try even while under immense pressure cos they almost had a disdain for the goal kick (not to mention the two we missed). If we had had some patience and kicked all our penalties the red card wouldn't have mattered. I'm hoping Jason Ryan will bring back some respect to the forward pack and get us back to basics. We don't need slim and trim props. We need some big boys who can throw a cheekie flip pass now and then but love to get stuck in.
@@dmazingi I personally felt the All Blacks had the stronger forward pack in the final even with Sam cane on the bench. Rucks,scrums and line outs are great. People love them and the contest. I think people want to see all of that just with lesser stoppages of play. I wonder how the game will look if the game develops into a heavy weight category? Both teams walking to the other end and playing force back to give players rest. I’m not sure, people still might love watching it I guess.
@@DMD19 I think the ABs needed to put more running pressure on those heavy forwards outside of stoppages. Control the pace of the game more and get them moving around the park. Once it becomes a competitive disadvantage to be heavy the weights will come down. There's a pendulum swing that happens every decade or so and we just happen to be in the big, power era. And as the major representative of the running camp the ABs need to innovate so the pendulum can swing back again and the world will follow if it's successful. But we don't have to adopt JKs rules to do that.
I'm a 'Canes fan, but without Kirifi, Jordie, and Ardie I think it'll be tough to beat the BEAST of a Blues team. Possible, but not likely.
Sharks : "Hehehe you don't know my struggle Crusaders."
why don't you ask Ben O'Keefe what "off feet" means, so he can go back and penalise Kwagga Smith in that quarter final?
🥱
What if the red card scenario was based on a percentage of time gone vs time left instead of a blanket 20 minutes?
to complicated and pointless
@@xmun2450 a complex mind might have an answer, just ask or has it just been answered my friend?
With love and always 💗
Just a reminder der to all the Crusaders critics. The Crusaders have often had a slow/poor start to the season.
Let’s hold judgement until the Semifinals arrive.
Please take over Breakdown
Thing is tho, do NH fans really care about speeding the game up? Their games at club and international look well supported compared to SH
As Ben O’Keefe said “the REFS want to speed game up”…. Listen!
Many agree with this
Was anybody there speaking for the
Island teams drua etc 🤔
In the north they like slower style game but ruby's here to
Entertain🏉💪😊
Yes , we are here for pasificorugby it is the real game no one likes Europe
Jumping the gun about the crusaders, only been 2 rounds. Chill. Get better
The entire ‘we need to change the rules’ is a tantrum by the NZ rugby fraternity for losing the World Cup final.
If All Blacks won the final, nobody would be talking about changing the rules. World Cup quarterfinals were fantastic games under the same rules. No one complained.
We didn’t have any problem winning the 2011 WC final where France had numerous calls not go their way. But now we lost 2023 WC final, we demand World Rugby to change the rules.
Now we want the TMO removed and blatant knockons and forward passes ignored. We want World Rugby to change the rules to suit our style of play.
Basically turn it into league-lite. Might as well watch the actual league in that case instead of watching league-lite.
This is not true. NZ and Australian Rugby pundits and both their unions have been talking about change for years. 20 minute red cards, goal line dropouts, held up over the line changes etc were introduced to Super Rugby a few years ago. I simply can't agree with your comment.
Drua vs Crusaders surely Drua will win in their home ground. Crusaders have no chance in 35 degree heat on saturday
Would have more interest in the womens game if I knew where these teams are from. I live in Oz and without the location of a couple of teams like the Blues or Hurricanes I don't know who is who.
Anything to help NZ rugby
I vote JK for rules change and speeding up the game.
This is probably the worst Crusader squad we have ever had
This kind of thing happens when you have major turn overs in staff and players
There is not much wrong with rugby other than the avalanche of cards. The argument that more play = more fans is bs. Football is kicking the ball to your own team member majority of the time yet that is not criticised.
Penney can’t coach Cruzaders.
Nothing is wrong with rugby or the shape of the game. We had great test matches in 2023 and the biggest viewership ever for a WC. The game is in very good shape! Kiwis need to stop wanting rule changes everytime they loose a test match.
Man you guys are persistent 😂 did you not listen to what Ben O'Keefe said at the start 🤦
I did yes, he said: “…the game is in a state where we need to improve it”. Do you have another point to make?
@@johnnievanderwalt6910and it’s true less ball in play time longer games over all. Every scrum takes 10 minutes with 20 resets, DuPonts law. There’s a lot wrong with rugby. Just because South Africa are winning for the first time in history doesn’t make it true
@@caylebmladenovic3348 it’s not true. The truth is that global viewership is at a all time high, that is a fact with 19% higher figures compared to 2019. For your information South Africa has not only started winning now as you say, we have won a lot in the history of the game and also more RWC than any other team. Do you have a good argument or are you just throwing mud and seeing what sticks?
@@johnnievanderwalt6910 the only one with a bad argument is you. South Africa as a rugby nation has won sweet fuck all
Rugby world cups men’s and women’s
🇳🇿9
🇿🇦4
Tri nations rugby championships men’s and women’s
🇳🇿20+
🇿🇦3
Freedom cup only played between all blacks and springboks
🇳🇿16
🇿🇦3
Super rugbys men’s and women’s
🇳🇿20+ with every club
🇿🇦3 with only 1 club winning
🇳🇿62-39🇿🇦
Your so arrogant yet wrong only a South African can achieve this. Nothing in your last comment is factual can you come up with an argument that’s actually true and relevant.
I disagree. If a red card is given for dangerous head contact the offending player should be off for the whole game. Often the player hit in the head requires a HIA and doesn't return. How is it fair for the offending player who physically hurt the head of an opposition player to be allowed to return to play (and contribute to the team) when the player who was hurt does not? and due to HIA protocols following a concussion may miss the following weeks fixture aswell? 20 minute red card is lessening the punishment for dangerous head contact which is not right.
First show I won't watch 😢 what a nob
Stop riding the blues 🤌🏽
super round in ,Melbourne is a complete joke there is no one there there is no atmosphere its crap, it should be at eden park you would get atleast 35,000 -40,000 a day there what a joke no one in Melbourne gives a shit about rugby why have a 'super' round there
Hey Bryn u still think the crufaders gonna win it?,arrogance is blinding🙄
The 20 minutes rule is not good. If you look at the deciplilne of the books and all blacks in the World cup all blacks received more cards. Subconsciously they know they know its not long term
Boks were lucky not to have received a further 3 reds in the RWC. Kolisi's yellow in the final could so easily have been a red, Eben's elbow to Cane's head should have been a red and Kriel's tackle on the Scottish player could have been a red too.
In saying that, NZ players need to improve their tackling technique, it's just not good enough atm.
Lol yes you want to spewd up the game and change the scrum rules for the "fans".
100% not because you get dominated by the Boks in this area.
The forum regarding rules was between many different people from different countries lol
We played with 14 men in the final and handled the Boks pretty well. A 7 man ABs scrum didn't have too many issues against the Boks 8. Really think you saffas have a selective way of remembering events, but if you think NZ is worried about the Boks you are so wrong.
Oh, so they are going to ruin rugby now.
Union has been ruined. Just scrap it and play league
Oh please. Not everyone likes League. I find it incredibly boring and far too basic.
Rolling maul should outlawed in the 22.
Nah even as a back I think that’s a legit part of the game. Would like more leniency with penalties defending the maul though. Sometimes you see some poor bloke get steamrolled by 6 blokes as they score over him and then he cops a yellow card to rub salt into the wound.
@@thewielloyd988 not only that but attacking players sometimes join in the side in front of the ball carrier...ball carrier if also near the back will worm his way past the one or two guys behind him so he's the last man...the ball has to to move back not the player....all teams are guilty of it.
Police it fairly or get rid of it