@@helios-re8sy there's a segment of his that kills me, where he rages about Abigail's V-trigger. "YOU BODY THIS N-WORD IN NEUTRAL, POPS V-TRIGGER, BAM! BAM! BAM BAM BAM! [him imitating Abigail's moves]"
@@tavrincallas3218 As an Abi player, I’ve definitely received salty messages about getting bodied the whole round just to pop trigger and win. It’s the core mechanic of the character. People that don’t play ‘vortex’ style characters always underestimate how stressful it is to have to guess on offense all of the time.
I don't like V trigger, Fatal blow, krushing blow, the low life super in Tekken 7 or the wall to wall juggle combos in Tekken 7... like ugh. But the overall gameplay in these games is fantastic. The feeling of just punching a blocking opponent in SFV is amazing! The immersion is great!
"People will rationalize your wins away until you lose on their terms." This goes so, SO, *SO* far beyond just the FGC community. I think I'm gonna engrave it on a plaque.
My favorite part about the toxic comment was where he rubbished Justin Wong, a man who literally got attacked with a stun-gun in an arcade because his playstyle made someone just that salty.
I played SFII in the arcade in Fun World Arcade in Lake George Village, NY in the 90s. I suck and I'm stuck in Silver, too. I have no authority to shit on anyone putting themselves out there and trying to get better. People need to get over themselves.
While people like them are the reason so many younger people left the scene or were too intimidated or afraid to try and enter, people like you are the reason so many people stayed and the scene is the way it is today.
The best part is, it's a 2003 point Honda. So silver +3 points. In other words he got to Silver and logged off forever to not fall back into Bronze. I'm in Silver, too. But I'm bad because I'm a filthy casual that plays maybe a few times a week for a month then takes 3-6 months off. I don't remember how many points I have but I'm not sitting right on the borderline of the last rank I gained. I don't have to worry about my rank being exposed as fraudulent. Believe it or not, it's actually possible to just enjoy the game and not worry about competing with the best possible players.
One of my favorite FGC Boomer contradictions is that everyone back then had thick skin, but at the same time were always throwing hands. Like pick one. They can’t both be true.
As someone who grew up in the 90's arcades - they were assholes then too. Lining up the coins on the glass, cigarette burns on the cabinet. Would rarely say anything or be helpful in anyway.
@@BigBlack20 because I don’t give a shit how many quarters you put on the cab, if you lose, you’re off the machine. If you aren’t there when the next game starts, you’re off the machine. If you whine because someone takes your coins when you went to take a piss, go hone
we called frame data "priority" back in the day, at least in the scenes i was in. We didn't really understand what it meant but it was like "oh this move has priority over that move" or "if you block and throw this button it will get priority and you'll hit"
I still use that term. But now there is actually priority for buttons that would land at the same time. These kids will never appreciate how damn vague everything was when quarters were involved. *shakes fist at clouds*
Well also "no throws" isn't old school that's scrub school. Arcades had "tiers" and people who say crap like that or that you'd get your ass kicked for X, Y or Z are essentially people who were at the bronze tier arcade in their area, or hell played at the local 7-11 or laundromat... the cool thing about the arcade days was you could go to any city, not knowing anyone, hit up a local student center at the local college or a mall and find some games and if you are good someone will say "hey, you're too good to be playing here you should go to X" and X will be where the local top tier guys play. There was no "FGC" in the sense there is one now (this is even before SRK.com, the place for strats was usenet groups like alt.games.sf2) but there was a community of people you could fairly easily find. So don't listen to these clowns, I think in the many many years I was in the arcades I actually saw a fistfight maybe twice, and it was always dudes who were not regs. also, the real top-tier arcades never had broken sticks, if a stick broke they'd take the cab down and fix it.
Yeah priority. I don’t remember all the frame data stuff until Street Fighter 4. Idk I was born in 87 been playing since 92 I’m not a supreme game master but I was always better than my friends and family. I have one uncle that has always been able to beat me. He only uses Ryu and he doesn’t use supers and advanced tactics but he always manages to beat me lml. It’s so funny sometimes, I’ll go watch this combo teleport raging demon and hell just proceed to get hit after hit. Like the footsies spacing and just knowing what is going to hit you when. As long as you have a good time and play what you want who cares if your game is a one button fighter or a 16 button one control pad keyboard arcade stick hit box or whatever else comes out. Doesn’t matter if you have perfect blocks Roman cancels v trigger focus attacks or whatever else. As long as fighting games keep coming out and people keep playing and buying I’m happy
@@Slappynipsy1 I'm from Colombia, so this experience from half a continent away may seem anecdotal, but here there wasn't so much flack about throws, being thrown means you gave up enough space for the opponent to come straight into your face and spit in the eye, some people deemed things like using a roundhouse as an antiair as cheap, but I just shut them up when I asked them to pull a shoryuken with Chun Li lmao.
Being an FGC Boomer, this video stings. My only salvation is knowing that I really wasn't that great to begin with, so it keeps me from being as delusional as the subject of this video.
Nah, you're good. As long as you don't think that you're better than everyone simply because you played fighting games 20 years ago, he's not really talking about you.
the video is not about the whole demographic cohort of boomers that played/plays fighting games, it's about a particular kind of personality found within it
To be fair, playing in arcades, when you figured out something that worked, you kept that stuff secret so you wouldn't lose your quarter and have to wait in line to play again. (I was 9 years old when Street Fighter II - The World Warrior came out and I shudder to think how much money I lost on that game.)
I love the Ryu criticism, calling him "easy mode", when he's probably the most honest character in Street Fighter V and has to work incredibly hard to win a lot of match-ups.
It's even funnier given how often the "easy mode, straightforward, honest character" is the one who has to work the hardest to get the job done, precisely because of how simple their toolset is. Deriding someone for playing a character like that shows such a basic lack of understanding of how the game even works. That guy can't expect to be taken seriously.
Sidenote: Someone getting stabbed for throwing too much is NOT a meme. This actually happened over MvC2. I feel having to dea with these people, I started in 07 with GGAC. Let’s strive to make a better community together 💪😤
I remember one time on an FGC discord, a guy genuinely believed that Guilty Gear Xrd was a bad fighting game because its "too new to be taken seriously" Like Huh?
"Blah blah blah I'm from the arcades blah blah back in my day..." Lol so? Never heard of this dude. Sounds an awful lot like he wants a participation trophy for just...being around back then. Yeah we don't do that around these parts lmao. Dude wants respect in the new games, he can win them then if they're so easy. People like this are so wack.
i think we should brag about being in the same discords servers as some elite players in like 10 years too, would be kind of the same thing different age lol
@@russhl125 you know many ppl will do that, maybe even save a couple of wins from a casual set and upload them to show how good they were back in the day..
I'm an older gamer who played Street fighter 2 in the arcades when I was a kid when I was 10-12 years old and I can honestly tell younger gamers that they were like this back then too. They have ALWAYS been like this and they even got on my nerves. They would beat me like crazy in the arcades and just laugh and tell me to get better, but they wouldn't actually show me the ropes. It wasn't until I got a copy when the Genesis version came out that I stood a chance. I studied the manual and went back to the arcades and shut a lot of them down. These people like to learn the moves and mechanics and shut the door behind them and the reason they do that is because they are cowards and are afraid of real competition. Once you beat one of them watch how they lose. they will always say that you got lucky or they slipped up somewhere and you really wouldn't have won had they done blah blah whatever. It infuriates me I STILL hate 'em! 😆😆😆
The best part was when they would shit on fighters that weren't Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. Then when they would come up to the Virtua Fighter 2 machine and think it would be an easy win and lose soundly they would get extremely upset. It wasn't that funny at the time because then they'd threaten you (I was young) but it was great to be the one handing out the beatings for a change.
Sounds a lot like KoF mexican players Everyone mains Angel and they'll be like "huh wtf's a tier list no hay nivel" Jesus christ get me out of my country
@@Sorrelhas this sounds too realistic to be just sarcasm You wouldn't believe the amount of times people have said tiers don't exist on KoF because "only bad games have tier lists, 2002 has balance and its all skill" lol why are latam players so dumb
lol you think that the rank indicates how good a player is, when it mostly indicates how much time the player spent grinding other scrubs in ranked mode :D
Idk why but I decided to get super street fighter 4 instead of going on my playing on my ps4 playing sf5 because I just thought sf4 was neat when I first played I had fun it introduced me to a lot of my favorite video game characters like Dudley Oni evil ryu and sagat until I found TWELVE
@@ashtar3876 Corner is a bad place to be with Honda players. Go for cross-ups, since that will actually keep the fight in the middle of the stage, and Honda doesn't have great tools for punishing properly spaced cross-ups. Also just harassing him with fireballs will get a lot of damage in if you don't want to engage him directly.
Damn bro, I like the harder older games too, but let people play what they enjoy? Don't be such a stinky elitist. Fantasy strike players and +R players have very different games, but we've all gotta be bros out here, no matter what game you play. (Unless it's sailor moon, then you scare me, please don't come any closer.)
+R is my favorite game but the way that community shits on any other guilty gear is the most embarrassing boomer shit ever. Throwing tantrums at anyone who wants to play Strive
As a 40 something boomer Salaryman that played Super Turbo in the early 90s, I have to agree with Lord Brian F. The old school boomer mindset is so closed minded and sucky, this game sucks, easy mode blah blah blah. Jesus, us boomers are such grandpas. Fighting games are already a small community, we don't need has-beens and never-weres wasting people time with their scrub comments.
The community as a whole has gotten better at receiving new people lately, maybe from realizing we gain nothing from pushing people away. I'm so glad netplay and the learning resources have been getting better as well over the years, so we don't have to deal with people like that as often to show us the ropes.
I'm more glad that there's content that's outside of getting good nowadays so getting into the game doesn't feel like a homework for a useless liberal arts degree. There's shitposting from guys like MunchyJr or Waffle Warrior which is amusing in a vacuum rather than technical. Leon Massey's done well for design intent explanation so not everything is "it just works because we say it does, deal with it" I still think that the community attitude as a whole is the worst part of fighting games.
80s baby here. Grew up on SF2 and original Mortal Combat. Love SFV. Didnt play a fighting game in-between MvC2 and SFV bc I just wasnt playing anymore. I never even knew the FGC was a thing until late 2020 lol. SFV brought me bk in bc of the nostalgia. Some people are just miserable in their current situation and use comments like the one you showed in an attempt to make themselves feel better. Just sad.
Someday, we will become the "FGC Boomer", in that day, the games wouldn't be fun anymore (at least for us, they probably be better, but we aren't going to accept it, because we didn't grow with them)
“Back in my day, we had to pay $60 for the game and $100 on DLC. You just play for free and spend $5 for a loot box. You guys don’t understand true Footsies with your air bounces, ground zaps, Special twitching, and all that. Games were only fun when we had to learn a different 50 hit combo for every one of the 60 characters.”
I think that "the older times were better" is a mindset that is slowly but steadily disappearing. Thank god for that. I'm a boomer and I'm having a blast with SFV. Of course, it takes time to adapt, mostly to the netcode shenanigans (which then later create bad online habits that show when playing locally or at tournaments), but apart from that, I believe that every new generation is more and more tolerant with their following generation. So maybe today it still seems like it will always be like that, however, I think many of us will live enough to see that to become a thing of the past. Hopefully.
@@happycamperds9917 I’m really shocked at your optimism. In 15 years every game is going to have $100 gatcha loot boxes and hijack your reward centers into buying 15 of them per day.
I'm actually a "new generation fighting games fan" but I love old ones because they were the ones that got me in them (especially mvc2 and street fighter 3rd strike)
I'm a FGC boomer, played in arcades and spent all my days playing all games availables for decades, those days i play for fun, like back in the days, and i don't ever play ranked in any game because peoples in there play just for the win, like if their life depends on it and i don't find it fun to play against someone with such a mindset. Also i never play in training mode because i find it boring and i don't have time to "waste" trying to master a combo while all i want is just have fun. That beeing said; imo you can't compare today fgc and the one we werein the 90/00's; back in the days we were discovering each game, it's characters and it's mechanics for months if not years and this was where i found my fun, while now; with internet and all the persons in the FGC the games gets analysed and every move of every chara is known sometimes before the chara even release; and with updates; new chara and mechanics happening a long time after a game's release this is just 2 different worlds. Back then and right now got nothing to compare, and it doesn't mean today's players are worse or better than the players back then.
I asked for matches in the Marvel 1 fightcade lobby, and a guy told me he "didn't wanted to waste his time teaching me how to play". Funniest part is that he hadn't even played against me, at most spectated some of my matches, wich by the way I did good in. I know I'm not in the level of people who have been playing this game for 22 years, but i don't get how people that love it so much can be such elitist assholes about it.
Even if he wasn't trying to be a dick, it probably would not have been a satisfactory match for him assuming there would be a gap in skill. I get annoyed when I am stomping someone because I'm just bored wasting my time.
It's stuff like this why I really appreciate people like you in the community who help newer players or struggling players out when trying to get into fighting games. Honestly wouldn't have attempted to get into fighting games if it wasn't for people like you in the community as when looking online such as forums I have seen gate keeping in the past and it sometimes made me kind of intimidated to play any sort of fighting games. I'm currently learning how to play street fighter and tekken and while I'm really bad and for the most part don't know 100% what I'm doing, it's people like you in the community that keeps fighting games fun for me and constantly wanting to improve.
@@QuantemDeconstructor Definitely haha I enjoy the art style and some of the characters more, I've been recently learning Steve after playing Bryan a bit, Side steping is super hard for me and Steve makes a bit easier and his whole kit seems to be based around punishing characters for using slower moves so even with me who doesn't really know anything about frame data, I've learned that the back light left punch (I think if i remember, the faster jab attack) can punish certain moves, so far I've been doing well doing that for the most part and getting better with dodging in order to play more aggressively as well, I feel I just got to expand the amount of moves I know and then also learn how to play more towards the low ground, I know someone who plays Tekken so I've been mostly learning through that, both of us are pretty new. As for Street Fighter I'm learning Necalli and have slowly learned how to get better with him, most of my time being in practice mode.
I myself am kind of new to fighting games. The only one I really played was Smash Bros, but I found the classik fighting games much more interesting. So I decided to join a Street Fighter group and a KOF group online. The big difference between these was: The SF players were total jerks to me, which is why street fighter scared me off. The KOF players on the other hand were pretty supportive. They were glad that I am interested in their series and would like to show me stuff about the games if KOF15 comes out. Thats why I'm really looking forward to this game, as it is going to be my first real fighting game.
The generations are different. I PERSONALLY like the mindset of the 90s and miss it. In the arcades, you either got good or got kicked off the sticks. I like this because pressure brings out the best in people, I think. However, I do believe that you have to be willing to help people. I agree with Brian F in the reality that when someone comes to you asking for help, you're supposed to take them under your wing and mentor them.
I too am old, and all I can really say by way of apology is that these guys were always tools. Now it's "people from my time are good, you are bad." Back in the 90s it was "people from my region are good, you are bad" or "you use X, I use Y, you are actually bad." I never really understood it. Perhaps it's relevant that back in the 90s, being good at a video game was a social liability. So for some people, they only felt respected in those communities, and many of them guarded their little stage of recognition very jealously. As an anecdotal observation, the more things outside of the FGC they had going for them, the cooler they would be. If FGC was the _only_ domain they enjoyed any kind of status, very high probability that they would be hostile to any new face. I believe I see traces of the same thing today. Brian_F I believe is an engineer, and I believe he's a great example of "if you have other things going for you, you are pretty cool." Anyways,hopefully I've convinced someone that not all video game boomers are toxic, I like to believe most of us are just quieter, because, you know, we're playing video games with teenagers, and that is all sorts of creepy. #NotAllBoomers. Did I do that right?
Some people have dedicated so much of their lives to a game that they equate their success within the game to success in life. They belittle people who aren't as good as them to feel better about themselves the way employers belittle their employees for not being as high up on the corporate ladder.
I imagine the problem with elitism also comes from elitism itself, you get spat on by higher players so when you finally get to that level you do the same out of a desire of catharsis, thus causing an endless and toxic cycle. But it probably also comes from people not knowing how to balance good-natured smack talk, and feeling proud of what you've done, with also being a good sportsman and being humble. Like, personally I'm in the top 10 in Europe on Xbox in DBFZ, I'm proud of that, but if somebody beats my ass my first instinct isn't to blame them but rather myself and think of ways to improve. I really think that's the biggest spirit of fighting games, competitive games, and competition in general, not only the victory of actually winning, but the small victories of each little improvement you make to yourself.
I’m the ‘dad’ of the account. Used to whip teens and adults at 2 turbo and alpha/zero when I was around 7-10 years old (I’m 32). But I have learned to evolve over the years, having a family is my number one priority now but I still play and try to learn all fighting games. And the greatest learning experience I ever had was from an 11 year old kid playing Kabal in MK9. He taught me things I never knew existed. If the ‘boomers’ the bad ones I mean would just realise that man, times change, games change. Because I for one welcome change in my fighting games. Otherwise why bother lol
I started playing fighting games early. I was in arcades whenever I could be. However, I got started with the FGC when I started playing MK9 and SFIV, so it was much later in life. What I liked was how welcoming people were to me, and I was garbage. I'm still not particularly amazing, but these people were willing to teach me, and I was lifted to a level where I can hold my own. I'm lucky I never ran into that kind of gatekeeping, but it's unfortunate that others have.
@@kingbradley8058 I mean, was it enough to merely ban his likeness from Twitch for that? We should probably close his bank accounts, ban him from civilization and drive him into the sea. You know, for unity, healing and righteousness. I foresee no consequences whatsoever for this type of behavior.
Hey Brian, thanks for making this video and the difficulties of asking for help. Asking for help and to be criticized is one of the hardest things to do, even in real life. No one likes to be put out there vulnerable but those that do only get stronger dealing with criticism and be a better person overall I believe.
My friend was a monster at MvC2 at our local arcade, but we were literal kids and my friend is a small person in general. His was literally up on milk crate dominating people in the arcade. No one ever yelled at him, but the odd person would slam the cabinet with their fists in frustration. Lol, so long ago now.
Man I hate when people say play a character that takes actual skill it shows that you are not someone skilled because you lack the vision to see all characters have skills and as you play you evolve my dad is technically a boomer yet I learned how to play fighting games from him but I lost in college to my friend and I evolved beyond that and I’m a cammy main so I get this a lot
Fellow ‘09er here ... to your point of FGC boomers rationalizing away an opponent’s win, I can’t tell you how many times I heard the word “turtling” thrown around when SF4 was new. In 2021 we just call it good defense lol
Lol, yeah, turtling was a word I forgot existed. I haven't used it in forever. I remember it was almost specifically used to talk about Guile in my neck of the woods.
The FGC: *I don't understand why more people don't get into fighting games* Also the FGC when running into a noob: *GET GOOD YOU TRASH TIER SCRUB. YOU SUCK. LOLOL.* *New players:* 🤷♂️✌
@@alastor8091 I can handle trash talk just fine, I'm saying that this is probably why most casuals/new players get discouraged from trying to get better at the game and they just quit.
@@alastor8091 why bother playing a game so toxic where you can just play game with a a much better community? Instead of normalizing trash talk, I suggest normalizing playing the game and shutting up
used to have a boomer aged gamer come to my locals and he would always be asking us how he can get better, we played sf2 a couple times and he would romp us, but sfv he needed help, he would take the info we gave and put it into practice and actually get better, he got 4th on the the ladder once and i had never seen someone so happy he was thanking us for helping him get better and coz our local was held at a bar he bought a few of us (those that helped him) a beer, the amount of millenials that would lose and call us trash though was appalling, so im all for boomers in the fgc, on a whole they are way more respectful than the millenials, the younger crowd took it way too seriously
“Fgc boomer” here, the only game I ever was GOOD at was SF3 third strike, I got shit on so hard on sfiv, tekken 7 and I’m okay at SF5, shitting on peoples play styles isn’t worth the effort, if you know someone sucks you should offer advice, if they don’t take it move on.
I'm 39. I played every single important game in arcade and was proficient at all of them. Still, I'm still open to learning. If you really old school, you shold know that games change and you have to adapt. You've done it for 30 years.
Lets be real though. SFV is objectively a lackluster game. The twilight of the arcade era had the best the games. CvS2, MvC2, T Tag, SSF2T and 3s(for the handful that played it before Daigo parry). The online era seems more about content creation than playing. That's fine, times change. I feel bad for the death of the arcade fighting game. I was a unique experience that can't be replicated online. Don't get me wrong, these online grinders are hella good. It's just,.. after a while the internet starts to suck the joy out of life.
I felt no relation until you got to the frame data thing. I got all pikachu face when scrolling down through a dbfz UA-cam video found a long comment and sub comments of gathered fgc boomers as you call them. They were complaining about how people nowadays watch and learn mix up resets combos etc from others in the community instead of doing it all themselves and how people look everything up. A community of players gathering and sharing their findings brings the most competitive side of video games, if none shared their findings or paid attention to others most people wouldn't be near optimal with Characters. And what they said about looking things up was referred to frame data, as if it is not just convenient and faster. I'm taking quite a bit yet is so simple. These people lost their glory or sense of it if they even had it and now need to bring others down.
These kind of people really take the winds out of my sail. I know it sounds wimpy, but I've given up on games that I really loved because too many people were 100% this. As good as a fighting game can be, it's only as fun as the people you play with. I'm not even all that fond of sfv tbh but the chill people I meet (and all the great content coming out of channels like this) keep bringing me back for more.
FGC boomers where i live act like KOF is the only "real" fighting game because that's what was available on the arcades back in the day. It did gatekeep me from fighting games because i heavily dislike KOF and assumed everyone in the community is an asshole. The FGC really REALLY has a gatekeeping issue and it's 90% the old heads that think they know better...
@@sebastianswan7975 And the sad thing is that it made me hate a game that is absolutely excellent and that trully deserves a lot of respect. I never touched another KOF game until kof 13 came out and i've lived through the releases of pretty much every KOF game since 98.
Have you seen 'Pretending Im a Superman', the THPS documentary? One of the old skaters was kind of gatekeeping skating and then saw kids coming up who had played the game coming up with IRL tricks that they never thought of and took it to the next level. I came up in the arcades, started playing SF2 on the SNES and it isnt a benefit. I rely on 25 years of fundamentals to get me by and rarely bother learning the new systems properly. I play Street Figher, not Street Fighter 5. A kid who started on this game will likely beat my ass on it.
" I used to dominate the southwest sub-region of SoCal with my Ryu and Guile" "that's nice sir, one breast and wing meal with the senior discount comes to $9.32. Please pull ahead."
As a 90s arcade kid, and despite being very welcoming and open to playing with the younger crowd [I revel in it, honestly] I'll offer an apology for the portion of my generation that gatekeeps the community like this. I'm saddened to see it's such a prevalent thing, honestly. No reason to be salty about getting stomped by a younger fighter. It's not too late to learn and improve!
I’m technically a fgc player from the 90s but if you can’t adapt or keep an open mindset you can’t evolve as a player. Sharing tech is one of the most fun things in the fgc for me. Best thing about it is that I didn’t peak in the arcade days I get better and better. I think that boomer mindset describes a more negative mindset in general. Btw love the content. Cheers!
"Too easy" can mean that "the game removes skill barrier so it's only a matter of guessing right, and as with all things chance, sometimes luck is not on your side and you lose, but in a game with a lot of skill requirements there's less room for luck to matter as much". It's a valid enough complaint that you can take seriously in specific games, and it's a whiny excuse in others, it really depends on which game you're levying this criticism.
As The World's Only Street Fighter 1 Fanboy, I thought this video would piss me off but... no. No this is spot on. I used to post on fighting game messageboards in the early 2000s and darn near everyone was like this. No one wanted to help or talk shop or anything, they just wanted to prove how much better they are than you. It's like...the fight never ends with these guys and they take CONVERSATIONS to a competitive level. You want help with something? Nah son we're gonna take that thing you wanted help with, hold it over your head for all eternity, and use it to discredit everything you will ever say.
I disagree with some points though, the new age players are not all Chad's. You should make a reverse video of this because there are a lot of entitled new players complaining about everything. And complaining then refusing to actually learn the game and picked it up because its "the hot new thing" and doesn't actually enjoy playing it, just following a trend.
Yeah. People that think they're hot stuff in a certain game while refusing to learn are just scrubby in general, regardless of which era they come from.
I only saw the "threat of violence" once. We were playing SF2 Hyper Fighting and a new guy kept doing jab-jab-jab-throw with Guile after the first sweep. People told him "we don't do that here" but he didn't say a word, just kept on doing it. I started doing bellyflop-throw-bellyflop-throw with my Gold-Level Honda as a lesson but he didn't stop. Finally a headbanger dude that worked at the corndog place told him he was gonna catch an ass-whooping if he did it again, so he played fair, then left after that. And we were all prepared to stomp him.
44-year-old here. Been playing fighters since I found Street Fighter II: The World Warrior in an arcade (Tilt) in a mall near me. I'd spend coin there whenever I could, but there was no scene here in Cincinnati, afaik, so no tournaments & no FGC for me. I did, however, end up working at a number of video game stores for about a decade and spent more time playing the demo units with coworkers than I probably should have (lots of Dreamcast 3rd Strike, Soul Calibur, Project Justice, PS# Tekken Tag etc). I thought I knew fighting games pretty well (3rd Strike especially), but now that I'm learning SFV with all these online resources, I see how very little I actually knew. Normals? Outside of sweeps and overheads, normals seemed boring and useless. And I remember often apologizing for accidentally throwing my opponents twice in a row, even though it was usually a panic punish (the only punish we had). I'm a Zeku main (maining was another concept that was new to me) hard stuck in super platinum, but I feel like I really know fighting games now, thanks to SFV and the internet. We're not all turds.
Im so happy to be part of this "New generation of players" Not does only sounds like a cool sequel title, but also means that i have another way to play the games, and also (mostly) improved versions of the games they had in the 90's and i also can play the games my father and my uncle used to play, knowing the differences between modern and classic, they learn from me some tech and frame data, or even lore, but they also teach me how they used to play and some core gameplay mechanics that in later entries of the franchise was simplified (I didnt know how to throw on old SF games and Combo Breaker on OG Killer instinct) Im glad i learn Frame Data from u Brian, and im posting DBFZ content every now and then on my YT channel and in different FGC gropus looking for improvement and know new people!
This's why I'm so nervous getting into the community. I just got SFV, and I'm horrible. I've hardly ever used a controller like this.. The skill gap is just so wide.. I hope I can get there eventually. I've enjoyed Rashid, Sakura, and Nash so far ;u;
Can we Criticize the younger players tho? I'm kinda getting tired of getting called the N word or having threats sent my way because idiots can't block lows.
Pretty scrubby on their part, but you can just ignore them or block them and maybe set your messages to "friends only". If you want, you can also just screenshot their messages and try to get it featured on scrubquotes.
"What value does this add to the world?" That logic works for us, but for the person you're criticizing, their motivation is their self-centered craving for control, so to them there is value in doing or saying anything that might influence others in a way that gives them a personal advantage. They want their standards and their ideas to be "the norm" so they can coast through life with minimal effort. Like you touched on, when these sorts feel like they're losing that privilege, they try to get power back by trying to socially enforce a mentality that will make life easier for them if others embrace it.
Arcades were dope going to new arcades with your crew and playing against the locals. Seeing people from other arcades coming to your local arcade and having a rivalry. Family Fun Arcade was the spot back in the days. It was mostly the social aspect tbh that I miss. I was above average in cvs2 and Third strike and having the Japanese pros coming for Evo was dope. Hanging out after playing games and getting food drinking it was dope. Stopped at sf4 because I picked up mobas and MMOs instead. Definitely some good memories and made friends I'm still friends with now.
I'm a "fighting game boomer" (played WW in arcades at release, played in CE tournaments when it was current, attended B4 and B5, etc.) and I didn't even have to see the name of the first player you were quoting to instantly know who it is: Apoc. Please do not take him as representative of us. He is one of a select group of players that was known *even back then* for bashing every single new game to come out. He has been singing this same tired "players today don't have skill and these new games are for scrubs" song for A QUARTER OF A CENTURY. Back when Bill Clinton was in office, this dude would have talked your ear off telling you about how Marvel takes no skill and is only for scrubs. Ignore him.
I used to play in the arcade when they were still around. Had to lay your quarter on the screen to call next. Started on SF2 and left at MVC2. Quit when I got a home console and starting playing Madden and COD. I wanted to get back into fighting games because I saw Snake Eyez play. I bought a PS4 specifically for SFV and wanted to learn. The wild thing as an old school player, I got gatekeep by the previous USF4 players. My boomer ass got gatekept by millenials and kids they have anime profile pics. hahahahha. Glad I stuck with it. Learn so much about fighting games and now Ultra Platinum.
Gotta love the description "The Fighting Game Community has a problem..." thats right!! But videos like this wont fix or better the community, looking at the comments it seems to fuel more problems and divide. Nice meme, nice stereotypes you are presenting and pushing Brian...im sure this will fix the problems the fgc has....oh wait, it wont and with 30k subs you should think about what kind of content you are pushing cause this seems hypocritical, arent you more part of the problem if you reinforce and spread negative stereotypes of players in our community?!
There will always be a boomer in the FGC. I start playing in the arcade back in 97/98 with KOF games (they're pretty damn huge in Brasil) and this type of behavior already existed back than. I never passed the "casual" state in the game, just wanna play and have some fun with my friends. Every time some of us beated any older guy, they simply turn off the cabinet and try to kick us out of the arcade saying that we weren't even old enough to be there. All this to hide the shame of lost a quarter to some 10-year-old kids mashing buttons. lmao
FGC Boomers in a nutshell: If we are good, it's all on us If we are bad, it's all on the game If you are good, it's all on the game If you are bad, it's all on you
You can always spot the people who feel the need to make every conversation about them
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
👁👄👁checking, hold on a sec.
Nope, you’re not the person that does this, carry on
Yup
Hey jm keep it down will ya
I know. Pretty salty vid.
Kids nowadays... with their “V triggers”...
Doubt that Boomers are saying this. The 90's had SF Alpha with V- ism.
@@helios-re8sy there's a segment of his that kills me, where he rages about Abigail's V-trigger.
"YOU BODY THIS N-WORD IN NEUTRAL, POPS V-TRIGGER, BAM! BAM! BAM BAM BAM! [him imitating Abigail's moves]"
@@tavrincallas3218 As an Abi player, I’ve definitely received salty messages about getting bodied the whole round just to pop trigger and win. It’s the core mechanic of the character. People that don’t play ‘vortex’ style characters always underestimate how stressful it is to have to guess on offense all of the time.
I don't like V trigger, Fatal blow, krushing blow, the low life super in Tekken 7 or the wall to wall juggle combos in Tekken 7... like ugh. But the overall gameplay in these games is fantastic.
The feeling of just punching a blocking opponent in SFV is amazing! The immersion is great!
@@ZachHenke I don't play Abi myself, nor do I personally know anyone who does, but yeah, I get that lmao
every boomer is "nice" at the game until they go online and have to block baby's first mixup from a bronze player
Boomer: *blocks low*
Bronze player: *goes for an overhead*
Boomer: HELLO FGC POLICE I JUST WITNESSED A CRIME
@@tavrincallas3218
FGC Police: WHAT WAS IT?!
@@destroyerofworlds4663 somebody *MIXED UP THEIR OFFENCE*
@@tavrincallas3218
FGC Police: ... Ok?
@@destroyerofworlds4663 FGC Police: sir... you know it's illegal to prank call the police right?
"People will rationalize your wins away until you lose on their terms."
This goes so, SO, *SO* far beyond just the FGC community. I think I'm gonna engrave it on a plaque.
LTG…
My favorite part about the toxic comment was where he rubbished Justin Wong, a man who literally got attacked with a stun-gun in an arcade because his playstyle made someone just that salty.
wait WHAT? SOMEONE TAZED JWONG???
@@DoctorDarlingTTV yeah, l think he said that in his "Art of Playing Lame"
@@DoctorDarlingTTV A guy beat up Daigo
People got stabbed over KOF 97
The salt is real
@Tiger Dang never thought of it that way
You need self defense classes to be a salt miner :)
This never happened
I played SFII in the arcade in Fun World Arcade in Lake George Village, NY in the 90s. I suck and I'm stuck in Silver, too. I have no authority to shit on anyone putting themselves out there and trying to get better. People need to get over themselves.
Yeah it's not your fault,every generation has its dickheads
King comment
While people like them are the reason so many younger people left the scene or were too intimidated or afraid to try and enter, people like you are the reason so many people stayed and the scene is the way it is today.
Don’t worry, nobody would look down on you for being where you are, even though you’re silver, you probably have a lot of wisdom to impart nonetheless
The best part is, it's a 2003 point Honda. So silver +3 points. In other words he got to Silver and logged off forever to not fall back into Bronze.
I'm in Silver, too. But I'm bad because I'm a filthy casual that plays maybe a few times a week for a month then takes 3-6 months off. I don't remember how many points I have but I'm not sitting right on the borderline of the last rank I gained. I don't have to worry about my rank being exposed as fraudulent.
Believe it or not, it's actually possible to just enjoy the game and not worry about competing with the best possible players.
One of my favorite FGC Boomer contradictions is that everyone back then had thick skin, but at the same time were always throwing hands. Like pick one. They can’t both be true.
I got into arcade fistfights a couple time with other kids in the 90, so you're right, the truth is, no Generation ever had thick skin as a whole...
Right? And they're always the same idiots who say "talk shit get hit" and stuff like that
"Ryu is for scrubs"
*stares in Daigo Umehara*
The fact he think ryu is for scrubs tells me he gets his ass beat alot by ryu and kage 🤣😭🤣😭
Funniest thing is he was trash before season 5
Most Children in the 90s were Ryu mains, including myself ...
"big on grooming but smelly anyway"
Lmao
underrated banger from chat
The smash community
@@bluefalcon6356 The smash guys can't help it, it requires a half circle input to turn on the shower.
@@bluefalcon6356 The arcade that got mentioned is the very same one Mr. Wiz was allegedly grooming minors at.
@@jaksida300 Ah yes good ol Mr Wiz and his "core values" ditching Melee and DoA. Funny how that goes
The longer this video went on, the more I realized that this “fighting game boomer” stereotype perfectly describes DSP 😅
Low tier god?
@@megamanzx21 I thought they were the same person
@@r1l426 damn I never thought
Yep. Phil is also stuck in silver since the beta in 2016
@@megamanzx21 kinda him too, but not nearly as much, because LTG is a (relatively) newer player.
The FGC Boomer sounds suspiciously like a certain god of low tiers.
It is too true and fitting
HE’S DOING STRINGS
Gets bodied in a First-to-ten, negs you about how you'd get your shit wrecked in third strike or 4.....then proceeds to get cooked in those, as well.
@@danlorett2184 Practically the same person, one just has more melanin and goes to the gym for his upper body.
God of low tiers became tame!
the enemy left a present.
inside, there was a salt packet!
Ness takes it.
As someone who grew up in the 90's arcades - they were assholes then too. Lining up the coins on the glass, cigarette burns on the cabinet. Would rarely say anything or be helpful in anyway.
YOOOO! Enchanted Castle FOREVER, amirite??
@@GDPanda69 HAHAH YES! What was the one over on Army Trail?? Or Wheaton Bowl. RIP :(
Smh those NFL Blitz days just smacked me in the head.
Lining up coins was the only way to know who was next.....how was THAT a problem?
@@BigBlack20 because I don’t give a shit how many quarters you put on the cab, if you lose, you’re off the machine. If you aren’t there when the next game starts, you’re off the machine. If you whine because someone takes your coins when you went to take a piss, go hone
You damn kids get off my wakeup
BACK IN MY DAYS WE DIDN'T HAVE ATTACK BUTTONS AND WE LIKED IT!
When I was your age we didn't have this fancy-shmancy dashing all you youngins are zooming around on.
@@Inriri hehehehehe *ZOOM*
Practice mode? Pffff
This comment is actually godlike!
Boomers: “ FIGURE IT OUT LIKE HOW I DID IN MY DAY”
Millennials: *Figures things out*
Boomers: “NO LEARN THE HARD WAY LIKE I DID!”
The irony: those "Boomers" are Also millenials, they just dont want to admit It....
Oh man, I remember me from Chicago and my 2 brothers, what a legend
we called frame data "priority" back in the day, at least in the scenes i was in. We didn't really understand what it meant but it was like "oh this move has priority over that move" or "if you block and throw this button it will get priority and you'll hit"
Wow, the memories are flooding back now. Thank you. I, too, am from the "priority" era. When did they add frame data to games? Pffft. 🤣
I still use that term. But now there is actually priority for buttons that would land at the same time. These kids will never appreciate how damn vague everything was when quarters were involved. *shakes fist at clouds*
Well also "no throws" isn't old school that's scrub school. Arcades had "tiers" and people who say crap like that or that you'd get your ass kicked for X, Y or Z are essentially people who were at the bronze tier arcade in their area, or hell played at the local 7-11 or laundromat... the cool thing about the arcade days was you could go to any city, not knowing anyone, hit up a local student center at the local college or a mall and find some games and if you are good someone will say "hey, you're too good to be playing here you should go to X" and X will be where the local top tier guys play. There was no "FGC" in the sense there is one now (this is even before SRK.com, the place for strats was usenet groups like alt.games.sf2) but there was a community of people you could fairly easily find. So don't listen to these clowns, I think in the many many years I was in the arcades I actually saw a fistfight maybe twice, and it was always dudes who were not regs. also, the real top-tier arcades never had broken sticks, if a stick broke they'd take the cab down and fix it.
Yeah priority. I don’t remember all the frame data stuff until Street Fighter 4. Idk I was born in 87 been playing since 92 I’m not a supreme game master but I was always better than my friends and family. I have one uncle that has always been able to beat me. He only uses Ryu and he doesn’t use supers and advanced tactics but he always manages to beat me lml. It’s so funny sometimes, I’ll go watch this combo teleport raging demon and hell just proceed to get hit after hit. Like the footsies spacing and just knowing what is going to hit you when. As long as you have a good time and play what you want who cares if your game is a one button fighter or a 16 button one control pad keyboard arcade stick hit box or whatever else comes out. Doesn’t matter if you have perfect blocks Roman cancels v trigger focus attacks or whatever else. As long as fighting games keep coming out and people keep playing and buying I’m happy
@@Slappynipsy1 I'm from Colombia, so this experience from half a continent away may seem anecdotal, but here there wasn't so much flack about throws, being thrown means you gave up enough space for the opponent to come straight into your face and spit in the eye, some people deemed things like using a roundhouse as an antiair as cheap, but I just shut them up when I asked them to pull a shoryuken with Chun Li lmao.
Being an FGC Boomer, this video stings. My only salvation is knowing that I really wasn't that great to begin with, so it keeps me from being as delusional as the subject of this video.
Nah, you're good. As long as you don't think that you're better than everyone simply because you played fighting games 20 years ago, he's not really talking about you.
the video is not about the whole demographic cohort of boomers that played/plays fighting games, it's about a particular kind of personality found within it
FGC boomer is a mindset. Anyone can be a Chad new age player if they want to be
I really hope someone wins a tournament using the tag "Me from Chicago and my 2 brothers". The tales will be legendary.
Needs to be an FGC Crew where each player is
Me from Chicago
Brother from Chicago #1
Brother from Chicago #2
Damn, I should've used that for Evo pools!
I’m an old arcade player but I know I was trash then and I am trash now. 25 years of “I didn’t get perfected” moral victories. 🤣
Not getting perfected is always my sole definitive goal lol
Show some respect to your elders that man fought in world war 2
When I get trashed I hold on to that chip damage like a badge of honor. 😂
One thing I hate about the local “boomer” fgc section is that most don’t like to share tech
They have "Save that shit for nationals" written on the inside of their soul
To be fair, playing in arcades, when you figured out something that worked, you kept that stuff secret so you wouldn't lose your quarter and have to wait in line to play again. (I was 9 years old when Street Fighter II - The World Warrior came out and I shudder to think how much money I lost on that game.)
You are not obligated to share your tech.
@@DragoonCenten no one thinks that
Visible AIDS true to that but it would make for a better scene imo
I love the Ryu criticism, calling him "easy mode", when he's probably the most honest character in Street Fighter V and has to work incredibly hard to win a lot of match-ups.
Sagat would like to have a talk.
I mean,he is easy to pickup,but that's completely fine,that's how It's supposed to be+he has -1 of cheese in a scale from 1 to 10
@@garretwoeller7669 poor Sagat, this is the first Street Fighter game where I'm not worried about fighting him.
It's even funnier given how often the "easy mode, straightforward, honest character" is the one who has to work the hardest to get the job done, precisely because of how simple their toolset is. Deriding someone for playing a character like that shows such a basic lack of understanding of how the game even works. That guy can't expect to be taken seriously.
@@garretwoeller7669 as someone who's only really dabbled in sfv, what makes sagat weaker in sfv compared to sf4?
Sidenote: Someone getting stabbed for throwing too much is NOT a meme. This actually happened over MvC2.
I feel having to dea with these people, I started in 07 with GGAC. Let’s strive to make a better community together 💪😤
I remember one time on an FGC discord, a guy genuinely believed that Guilty Gear Xrd was a bad fighting game because its "too new to be taken seriously"
Like
Huh?
What?
@@sebastianswan7975 My thoughts exactly. I didnt stay in that Discord for long lmao
He probably said that because of anime.
@@cnk9822 He was a +R player
@@WantSomeWhiskey818 He isn't a clown, he's the whole damn circus
"Blah blah blah I'm from the arcades blah blah back in my day..."
Lol so? Never heard of this dude. Sounds an awful lot like he wants a participation trophy for just...being around back then. Yeah we don't do that around these parts lmao. Dude wants respect in the new games, he can win them then if they're so easy. People like this are so wack.
i think we should brag about being in the same discords servers as some elite players in like 10 years too, would be kind of the same thing different age lol
@@russhl125 you know many ppl will do that, maybe even save a couple of wins from a casual set and upload them to show how good they were back in the day..
lol best part was that dude was a silver player
I know a guy like this but he's clearly never been in the environment. Like a wannabe boomer. So weird.
I'm an older gamer who played Street fighter 2 in the arcades when I was a kid when I was 10-12 years old and I can honestly tell younger gamers that they were like this back then too. They have ALWAYS been like this and they even got on my nerves. They would beat me like crazy in the arcades and just laugh and tell me to get better, but they wouldn't actually show me the ropes. It wasn't until I got a copy when the Genesis version came out that I stood a chance. I studied the manual and went back to the arcades and shut a lot of them down. These people like to learn the moves and mechanics and shut the door behind them and the reason they do that is because they are cowards and are afraid of real competition. Once you beat one of them watch how they lose. they will always say that you got lucky or they slipped up somewhere and you really wouldn't have won had they done blah blah whatever. It infuriates me I STILL hate 'em! 😆😆😆
The best part was when they would shit on fighters that weren't Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat. Then when they would come up to the Virtua Fighter 2 machine and think it would be an easy win and lose soundly they would get extremely upset. It wasn't that funny at the time because then they'd threaten you (I was young) but it was great to be the one handing out the beatings for a change.
@@NotaPizzaGRL Now that's interesting. And it's true, they would threaten you lol.
You forgot to add: "Picks top tier characters and pretends they're not that strong"
FGC boomers don’t know what characters are good
Sounds a lot like KoF mexican players
Everyone mains Angel and they'll be like "huh wtf's a tier list no hay nivel"
Jesus christ get me out of my country
@@jejemiados1947 Everyone knows the only top tier character is Rugal
@@Sorrelhas this sounds too realistic to be just sarcasm
You wouldn't believe the amount of times people have said tiers don't exist on KoF because "only bad games have tier lists, 2002 has balance and its all skill" lol why are latam players so dumb
LTG using Urien
"This game is made for scrubs"
Then why is 80% of the player base stuck in silver?
80% in bronze
lol you think that the rank indicates how good a player is, when it mostly indicates how much time the player spent grinding other scrubs in ranked mode :D
@@pandafights2win405 okay
@@MrBroken030 I said stuck in silver not just in silver. There's a difference from being in mud and being stuck in mud
Because that game awards an even platform for everyone. So if ya get mashed out by a scrub then hell, that’s what the game allowed
Man im 40 and I never have had this attitude. All older gamers ain't haters, yall keep me young!!!!
well, you're not a boomer. the Boomer gen is like 60-75 now. I'm 40 and my dad is a boomer. we're Gen X.
@@DJ_Neuro copy, I just figured boomer was a middle aged 30s to 40s y/o people thanks for the clarification
@@wurlbfree1981 I appreciate you old man.
Them new kids with their Sparking, and their V-Reversals, and their X-Factor. Get off my lawn!
Idk why but I decided to get super street fighter 4 instead of going on my playing on my ps4 playing sf5 because I just thought sf4 was neat when I first played I had fun it introduced me to a lot of my favorite video game characters like Dudley Oni evil ryu and sagat until I found TWELVE
If any character can "carry" you in silver, it's probably honda 😂
light hands is probably an infinite in bronze/silver lmaoo
@@diadull actually it kind of feels like it, how can you beat it?
@@ashtar3876 vreversal or dp if you have it
@@DukeBasket18 nah i play G so i got no dp
@@ashtar3876 Corner is a bad place to be with Honda players. Go for cross-ups, since that will actually keep the fight in the middle of the stage, and Honda doesn't have great tools for punishing properly spaced cross-ups. Also just harassing him with fireballs will get a lot of damage in if you don't want to engage him directly.
Damn bro, I like the harder older games too, but let people play what they enjoy? Don't be such a stinky elitist. Fantasy strike players and +R players have very different games, but we've all gotta be bros out here, no matter what game you play. (Unless it's sailor moon, then you scare me, please don't come any closer.)
Sailor Moon is kinda lit tho.
@@chrisrockett5897 idk about that one cheif
+R is my favorite game but the way that community shits on any other guilty gear is the most embarrassing boomer shit ever. Throwing tantrums at anyone who wants to play Strive
@@pandafights2win405 I mean, sure it's busted as fuck by that just as to the fun.
@@pandafights2win405 I mean, sure it's busted as fuck by that just as to the fun.
As a 40 something boomer Salaryman that played Super Turbo in the early 90s, I have to agree with Lord Brian F. The old school boomer mindset is so closed minded and sucky, this game sucks, easy mode blah blah blah. Jesus, us boomers are such grandpas. Fighting games are already a small community, we don't need has-beens and never-weres wasting people time with their scrub comments.
if you're 40 something, you're not a boomer. that term has gotten thrown around a lot lately. boomers are way older than most people in the FGC.
Sounds like DarksydePhil, every time he plays the SF 30th anniversary collection.
All of the Street Fighter games without "Super" and "Turbo" in the title are bad automatically, so Phil would have you believe.
He wasn't even that good in ST
The community as a whole has gotten better at receiving new people lately, maybe from realizing we gain nothing from pushing people away. I'm so glad netplay and the learning resources have been getting better as well over the years, so we don't have to deal with people like that as often to show us the ropes.
I'm more glad that there's content that's outside of getting good nowadays so getting into the game doesn't feel like a homework for a useless liberal arts degree.
There's shitposting from guys like MunchyJr or Waffle Warrior which is amusing in a vacuum rather than technical.
Leon Massey's done well for design intent explanation so not everything is "it just works because we say it does, deal with it"
I still think that the community attitude as a whole is the worst part of fighting games.
I'm so glad I'm an 11'er so I can't be called an 09'er
(great video)
What does 09'er mean?
@@onigames7309 someone who started follow the FGC because SF4 (released on 2009 in the US)
@@third-ratedude4234 Oh!
80s baby here. Grew up on SF2 and original Mortal Combat. Love SFV. Didnt play a fighting game in-between MvC2 and SFV bc I just wasnt playing anymore. I never even knew the FGC was a thing until late 2020 lol. SFV brought me bk in bc of the nostalgia. Some people are just miserable in their current situation and use comments like the one you showed in an attempt to make themselves feel better. Just sad.
Someday, we will become the "FGC Boomer", in that day, the games wouldn't be fun anymore (at least for us, they probably be better, but we aren't going to accept it, because we didn't grow with them)
“Back in my day, we had to pay $60 for the game and $100 on DLC. You just play for free and spend $5 for a loot box. You guys don’t understand true Footsies with your air bounces, ground zaps, Special twitching, and all that. Games were only fun when we had to learn a different 50 hit combo for every one of the 60 characters.”
@@happycamperds9917 this comment has made me want to play a game where "air bounces" are a thing
I think that "the older times were better" is a mindset that is slowly but steadily disappearing. Thank god for that. I'm a boomer and I'm having a blast with SFV. Of course, it takes time to adapt, mostly to the netcode shenanigans (which then later create bad online habits that show when playing locally or at tournaments), but apart from that, I believe that every new generation is more and more tolerant with their following generation.
So maybe today it still seems like it will always be like that, however, I think many of us will live enough to see that to become a thing of the past. Hopefully.
@@happycamperds9917 I’m really shocked at your optimism. In 15 years every game is going to have $100 gatcha loot boxes and hijack your reward centers into buying 15 of them per day.
The part where fgc boomers call this new fgc “weak” really makes me angry. How can you act tough when you yourself know you aren’t?
Most of them can't play new fighters at all and usually stick to outdated strategies. Also most of them rage quit every other ranked match.
@@lukelaser5397 You're funny
@@lukelaser5397 congrats on playing directly into their hand
@@lukelaser5397 this is bait, right?
what boomers are calling the new fgc weak? I didn't think people that old were really into video games
How you win: “yeah, straight up I don’t have to listen to you. Not an insult, just a fact.”
(From a new age player’s perspective)
Hey its me from Chicago with my 2 brothers, the fgc legend
Meanwhile in Japan, the best players are a combination of newer and old players.
I'm actually a "new generation fighting games fan" but I love old ones because they were the ones that got me in them (especially mvc2 and street fighter 3rd strike)
Same. I started SamSho with the Neo Geo collection because I got it for free and I'm too broke to buy the new one.
I'm a FGC boomer, played in arcades and spent all my days playing all games availables for decades, those days i play for fun, like back in the days, and i don't ever play ranked in any game because peoples in there play just for the win, like if their life depends on it and i don't find it fun to play against someone with such a mindset. Also i never play in training mode because i find it boring and i don't have time to "waste" trying to master a combo while all i want is just have fun. That beeing said; imo you can't compare today fgc and the one we werein the 90/00's; back in the days we were discovering each game, it's characters and it's mechanics for months if not years and this was where i found my fun, while now; with internet and all the persons in the FGC the games gets analysed and every move of every chara is known sometimes before the chara even release; and with updates; new chara and mechanics happening a long time after a game's release this is just 2 different worlds. Back then and right now got nothing to compare, and it doesn't mean today's players are worse or better than the players back then.
In other news, BrianF is waging war on MajinObama
Majinboomer
Nailed it. One of the most hateful people I've ever seen.
He doesn't act like this at all besides just... not liking Strive. Lmao
@@Agoners Seriously, did you hear what he said about _those_ people? He should be banned for hate speech.
@@bennymountain1 I totally missed this, what's the lore?
Boomer: "You shouldn't play Ryu"
Me: "But at least I'm having fun, more than you"
Boomer: *make angry car noise and proceed to rant*
I asked for matches in the Marvel 1 fightcade lobby, and a guy told me he "didn't wanted to waste his time teaching me how to play". Funniest part is that he hadn't even played against me, at most spectated some of my matches, wich by the way I did good in.
I know I'm not in the level of people who have been playing this game for 22 years, but i don't get how people that love it so much can be such elitist assholes about it.
Probably they felt special that they played it in a rundown arcade or laundromat during the late 90s
Even if he wasn't trying to be a dick, it probably would not have been a satisfactory match for him assuming there would be a gap in skill. I get annoyed when I am stomping someone because I'm just bored wasting my time.
It's stuff like this why I really appreciate people like you in the community who help newer players or struggling players out when trying to get into fighting games. Honestly wouldn't have attempted to get into fighting games if it wasn't for people like you in the community as when looking online such as forums I have seen gate keeping in the past and it sometimes made me kind of intimidated to play any sort of fighting games. I'm currently learning how to play street fighter and tekken and while I'm really bad and for the most part don't know 100% what I'm doing, it's people like you in the community that keeps fighting games fun for me and constantly wanting to improve.
Tekken is gonna take a really long time to get there, that game is insanely bloated and frame data is a huge part of knowing what to do
@@QuantemDeconstructor Definitely haha I enjoy the art style and some of the characters more, I've been recently learning Steve after playing Bryan a bit, Side steping is super hard for me and Steve makes a bit easier and his whole kit seems to be based around punishing characters for using slower moves so even with me who doesn't really know anything about frame data, I've learned that the back light left punch (I think if i remember, the faster jab attack) can punish certain moves, so far I've been doing well doing that for the most part and getting better with dodging in order to play more aggressively as well, I feel I just got to expand the amount of moves I know and then also learn how to play more towards the low ground, I know someone who plays Tekken so I've been mostly learning through that, both of us are pretty new.
As for Street Fighter I'm learning Necalli and have slowly learned how to get better with him, most of my time being in practice mode.
I myself am kind of new to fighting games. The only one I really played was Smash Bros, but I found the classik fighting games much more interesting. So I decided to join a Street Fighter group and a KOF group online. The big difference between these was: The SF players were total jerks to me, which is why street fighter scared me off. The KOF players on the other hand were pretty supportive. They were glad that I am interested in their series and would like to show me stuff about the games if KOF15 comes out. Thats why I'm really looking forward to this game, as it is going to be my first real fighting game.
The generations are different. I PERSONALLY like the mindset of the 90s and miss it. In the arcades, you either got good or got kicked off the sticks. I like this because pressure brings out the best in people, I think.
However, I do believe that you have to be willing to help people. I agree with Brian F in the reality that when someone comes to you asking for help, you're supposed to take them under your wing and mentor them.
My and my brothers from the arcade is probably the funniest thing I've heard in a while.
I too am old, and all I can really say by way of apology is that these guys were always tools. Now it's "people from my time are good, you are bad." Back in the 90s it was "people from my region are good, you are bad" or "you use X, I use Y, you are actually bad." I never really understood it. Perhaps it's relevant that back in the 90s, being good at a video game was a social liability. So for some people, they only felt respected in those communities, and many of them guarded their little stage of recognition very jealously. As an anecdotal observation, the more things outside of the FGC they had going for them, the cooler they would be. If FGC was the _only_ domain they enjoyed any kind of status, very high probability that they would be hostile to any new face. I believe I see traces of the same thing today. Brian_F I believe is an engineer, and I believe he's a great example of "if you have other things going for you, you are pretty cool." Anyways,hopefully I've convinced someone that not all video game boomers are toxic, I like to believe most of us are just quieter, because, you know, we're playing video games with teenagers, and that is all sorts of creepy. #NotAllBoomers. Did I do that right?
I'm a gen z and I have no idea honestly since I don't use #. But yeah, I agree not all boomers are toxic.
I don't understand elitism in general,no matter the reason,no matter the game,It's just toxic
Fax.
Some people have dedicated so much of their lives to a game that they equate their success within the game to success in life. They belittle people who aren't as good as them to feel better about themselves the way employers belittle their employees for not being as high up on the corporate ladder.
I imagine the problem with elitism also comes from elitism itself, you get spat on by higher players so when you finally get to that level you do the same out of a desire of catharsis, thus causing an endless and toxic cycle. But it probably also comes from people not knowing how to balance good-natured smack talk, and feeling proud of what you've done, with also being a good sportsman and being humble.
Like, personally I'm in the top 10 in Europe on Xbox in DBFZ, I'm proud of that, but if somebody beats my ass my first instinct isn't to blame them but rather myself and think of ways to improve. I really think that's the biggest spirit of fighting games, competitive games, and competition in general, not only the victory of actually winning, but the small victories of each little improvement you make to yourself.
I’m the ‘dad’ of the account. Used to whip teens and adults at 2 turbo and alpha/zero when I was around 7-10 years old (I’m 32).
But I have learned to evolve over the years, having a family is my number one priority now but I still play and try to learn all fighting games. And the greatest learning experience I ever had was from an 11 year old kid playing Kabal in MK9. He taught me things I never knew existed. If the ‘boomers’ the bad ones I mean would just realise that man, times change, games change. Because I for one welcome change in my fighting games. Otherwise why bother lol
Damn, “09’ers” have been playing for 12 years
I started playing fighting games early. I was in arcades whenever I could be. However, I got started with the FGC when I started playing MK9 and SFIV, so it was much later in life. What I liked was how welcoming people were to me, and I was garbage. I'm still not particularly amazing, but these people were willing to teach me, and I was lifted to a level where I can hold my own. I'm lucky I never ran into that kind of gatekeeping, but it's unfortunate that others have.
From what I understand. Street fighter 4 kids are gonna be those boomers real soon
The pogchamp guy, Gootecks, already is and also believes all the conspiracies that boomers love.
@@kingbradley8058 Tragic, too; with how kickass Mike Ross is in the mind of fighting game players. It really is better to leave when you're up
@@kingbradley8058 Yes, do not question, live in fear and comply.
“Games were only fun when I could do 1 frame links with Rufus.”
@@kingbradley8058 I mean, was it enough to merely ban his likeness from Twitch for that?
We should probably close his bank accounts, ban him from civilization and drive him into the sea.
You know, for unity, healing and righteousness. I foresee no consequences whatsoever for this type of behavior.
Hey Brian, thanks for making this video and the difficulties of asking for help. Asking for help and to be criticized is one of the hardest things to do, even in real life. No one likes to be put out there vulnerable but those that do only get stronger dealing with criticism and be a better person overall I believe.
Fine, fine, I'll do it.
Brian upload?? Pog
My friend was a monster at MvC2 at our local arcade, but we were literal kids and my friend is a small person in general.
His was literally up on milk crate dominating people in the arcade. No one ever yelled at him, but the odd person would slam the cabinet with their fists in frustration. Lol, so long ago now.
Biggest thing I hate with FGC boomers is when they use "played in the 90s" and "being good" interchangeably.
what 60-75 year olds do you know that "played in the 90s"?
Man I hate when people say play a character that takes actual skill it shows that you are not someone skilled because you lack the vision to see all characters have skills and as you play you evolve my dad is technically a boomer yet I learned how to play fighting games from him but I lost in college to my friend and I evolved beyond that and I’m a cammy main so I get this a lot
Shoutout to the quality of the videos going up. Love to see it.
Fellow ‘09er here ... to your point of FGC boomers rationalizing away an opponent’s win, I can’t tell you how many times I heard the word “turtling” thrown around when SF4 was new. In 2021 we just call it good defense lol
Lol, yeah, turtling was a word I forgot existed. I haven't used it in forever. I remember it was almost specifically used to talk about Guile in my neck of the woods.
The FGC: *I don't understand why more people don't get into fighting games*
Also the FGC when running into a noob: *GET GOOD YOU TRASH TIER SCRUB. YOU SUCK. LOLOL.*
*New players:* 🤷♂️✌
If you get run off by trash talk, youre not old enough or mature enough to be on anything more than Alphabet Park. Its just talk. Just play the game.
@@alastor8091 I can handle trash talk just fine, I'm saying that this is probably why most casuals/new players get discouraged from trying to get better at the game and they just quit.
@@turntninja2617 if they're discouraged by trash talk, they werent going anywhere to begin with.
@@alastor8091 why bother playing a game so toxic where you can just play game with a a much better community?
Instead of normalizing trash talk, I suggest normalizing playing the game and shutting up
used to have a boomer aged gamer come to my locals and he would always be asking us how he can get better, we played sf2 a couple times and he would romp us, but sfv he needed help, he would take the info we gave and put it into practice and actually get better, he got 4th on the the ladder once and i had never seen someone so happy he was thanking us for helping him get better and coz our local was held at a bar he bought a few of us (those that helped him) a beer, the amount of millenials that would lose and call us trash though was appalling, so im all for boomers in the fgc, on a whole they are way more respectful than the millenials, the younger crowd took it way too seriously
“Fgc boomer” here, the only game I ever was GOOD at was SF3 third strike, I got shit on so hard on sfiv, tekken 7 and I’m okay at SF5, shitting on peoples play styles isn’t worth the effort, if you know someone sucks you should offer advice, if they don’t take it move on.
I'm 39. I played every single important game in arcade and was proficient at all of them. Still, I'm still open to learning. If you really old school, you shold know that games change and you have to adapt. You've done it for 30 years.
you're not a boomer. Gen X.
boomers are like 60-75 now
@@DJ_Neuro sorry, did i sound too much like one ? Hehe
Lets be real though. SFV is objectively a lackluster game. The twilight of the arcade era had the best the games. CvS2, MvC2, T Tag, SSF2T and 3s(for the handful that played it before Daigo parry). The online era seems more about content creation than playing. That's fine, times change. I feel bad for the death of the arcade fighting game. I was a unique experience that can't be replicated online. Don't get me wrong, these online grinders are hella good. It's just,.. after a while the internet starts to suck the joy out of life.
I felt no relation until you got to the frame data thing. I got all pikachu face when scrolling down through a dbfz UA-cam video found a long comment and sub comments of gathered fgc boomers as you call them. They were complaining about how people nowadays watch and learn mix up resets combos etc from others in the community instead of doing it all themselves and how people look everything up. A community of players gathering and sharing their findings brings the most competitive side of video games, if none shared their findings or paid attention to others most people wouldn't be near optimal with Characters. And what they said about looking things up was referred to frame data, as if it is not just convenient and faster. I'm taking quite a bit yet is so simple. These people lost their glory or sense of it if they even had it and now need to bring others down.
Lost it on "Takes the throw" lmfaoooo
These kind of people really take the winds out of my sail. I know it sounds wimpy, but I've given up on games that I really loved because too many people were 100% this. As good as a fighting game can be, it's only as fun as the people you play with. I'm not even all that fond of sfv tbh but the chill people I meet (and all the great content coming out of channels like this) keep bringing me back for more.
FGC boomers where i live act like KOF is the only "real" fighting game because that's what was available on the arcades back in the day. It did gatekeep me from fighting games because i heavily dislike KOF and assumed everyone in the community is an asshole. The FGC really REALLY has a gatekeeping issue and it's 90% the old heads that think they know better...
Yeah, gatekeeping is really fucked up, as great as KOF is there sure as hell are many other fighters to respect.
@@sebastianswan7975 And the sad thing is that it made me hate a game that is absolutely excellent and that trully deserves a lot of respect. I never touched another KOF game until kof 13 came out and i've lived through the releases of pretty much every KOF game since 98.
Have you seen 'Pretending Im a Superman', the THPS documentary? One of the old skaters was kind of gatekeeping skating and then saw kids coming up who had played the game coming up with IRL tricks that they never thought of and took it to the next level. I came up in the arcades, started playing SF2 on the SNES and it isnt a benefit. I rely on 25 years of fundamentals to get me by and rarely bother learning the new systems properly. I play Street Figher, not Street Fighter 5. A kid who started on this game will likely beat my ass on it.
" I used to dominate the southwest sub-region of SoCal with my Ryu and Guile"
"that's nice sir, one breast and wing meal with the senior discount comes to $9.32. Please pull ahead."
As a 90s arcade kid, and despite being very welcoming and open to playing with the younger crowd [I revel in it, honestly] I'll offer an apology for the portion of my generation that gatekeeps the community like this. I'm saddened to see it's such a prevalent thing, honestly. No reason to be salty about getting stomped by a younger fighter. It's not too late to learn and improve!
Omg i laughed so hard at "takes the throw" golden.
I’m technically a fgc player from the 90s but if you can’t adapt or keep an open mindset you can’t evolve as a player. Sharing tech is one of the most fun things in the fgc for me. Best thing about it is that I didn’t peak in the arcade days I get better and better. I think that boomer mindset describes a more negative mindset in general. Btw love the content. Cheers!
"Too easy" can mean that "the game removes skill barrier so it's only a matter of guessing right, and as with all things chance, sometimes luck is not on your side and you lose, but in a game with a lot of skill requirements there's less room for luck to matter as much".
It's a valid enough complaint that you can take seriously in specific games, and it's a whiny excuse in others, it really depends on which game you're levying this criticism.
As The World's Only Street Fighter 1 Fanboy, I thought this video would piss me off but... no. No this is spot on. I used to post on fighting game messageboards in the early 2000s and darn near everyone was like this. No one wanted to help or talk shop or anything, they just wanted to prove how much better they are than you. It's like...the fight never ends with these guys and they take CONVERSATIONS to a competitive level. You want help with something? Nah son we're gonna take that thing you wanted help with, hold it over your head for all eternity, and use it to discredit everything you will ever say.
I disagree with some points though, the new age players are not all Chad's. You should make a reverse video of this because there are a lot of entitled new players complaining about everything. And complaining then refusing to actually learn the game and picked it up because its "the hot new thing" and doesn't actually enjoy playing it, just following a trend.
Yeah. People that think they're hot stuff in a certain game while refusing to learn are just scrubby in general, regardless of which era they come from.
I only saw the "threat of violence" once. We were playing SF2 Hyper Fighting and a new guy kept doing jab-jab-jab-throw with Guile after the first sweep. People told him "we don't do that here" but he didn't say a word, just kept on doing it. I started doing bellyflop-throw-bellyflop-throw with my Gold-Level Honda as a lesson but he didn't stop. Finally a headbanger dude that worked at the corndog place told him he was gonna catch an ass-whooping if he did it again, so he played fair, then left after that. And we were all prepared to stomp him.
The Chad New Age Player:
Lorem ipsums the dolor sit amet like a boss.
44-year-old here. Been playing fighters since I found Street Fighter II: The World Warrior in an arcade (Tilt) in a mall near me. I'd spend coin there whenever I could, but there was no scene here in Cincinnati, afaik, so no tournaments & no FGC for me. I did, however, end up working at a number of video game stores for about a decade and spent more time playing the demo units with coworkers than I probably should have (lots of Dreamcast 3rd Strike, Soul Calibur, Project Justice, PS# Tekken Tag etc). I thought I knew fighting games pretty well (3rd Strike especially), but now that I'm learning SFV with all these online resources, I see how very little I actually knew. Normals? Outside of sweeps and overheads, normals seemed boring and useless. And I remember often apologizing for accidentally throwing my opponents twice in a row, even though it was usually a panic punish (the only punish we had). I'm a Zeku main (maining was another concept that was new to me) hard stuck in super platinum, but I feel like I really know fighting games now, thanks to SFV and the internet. We're not all turds.
they called us 09ers and now we out here shittin on kids asking for help.
full circle my guys
Im so happy to be part of this "New generation of players" Not does only sounds like a cool sequel title, but also means that i have another way to play the games, and also (mostly) improved versions of the games they had in the 90's and i also can play the games my father and my uncle used to play, knowing the differences between modern and classic, they learn from me some tech and frame data, or even lore, but they also teach me how they used to play and some core gameplay mechanics that in later entries of the franchise was simplified (I didnt know how to throw on old SF games and Combo Breaker on OG Killer instinct)
Im glad i learn Frame Data from u Brian, and im posting DBFZ content every now and then on my YT channel and in different FGC gropus looking for improvement and know new people!
Wow, an entire video about the Eventhubs comments section...
That's the reason I'm only there to look at tier lists with my friends
This's why I'm so nervous getting into the community. I just got SFV, and I'm horrible. I've hardly ever used a controller like this..
The skill gap is just so wide.. I hope I can get there eventually. I've enjoyed Rashid, Sakura, and Nash so far ;u;
It can take a long time to learn, don't worry about it. Just keep trying to improve and have fun 👍
@@Brian_F
Oh hi :OOO thanks for replying! I'm happy now
Can we Criticize the younger players tho? I'm kinda getting tired of getting called the N word or having threats sent my way because idiots can't block lows.
I feel like the slur warriors are getting pretty old these days
Pretty scrubby on their part, but you can just ignore them or block them and maybe set your messages to "friends only". If you want, you can also just screenshot their messages and try to get it featured on scrubquotes.
I see that you never dabbled in Xbox Live when it first debuted
@@danlorett2184 It's both. Old players would either just quit or keep losing. There isn't time in between matches to shit talk in text message.
@@DragoonCenten that’s not true lol. Old players would either call you slurs or literally stab you
"What value does this add to the world?" That logic works for us, but for the person you're criticizing, their motivation is their self-centered craving for control, so to them there is value in doing or saying anything that might influence others in a way that gives them a personal advantage. They want their standards and their ideas to be "the norm" so they can coast through life with minimal effort. Like you touched on, when these sorts feel like they're losing that privilege, they try to get power back by trying to socially enforce a mentality that will make life easier for them if others embrace it.
The fgc still hasnt managed to breed out people who still say "jab, strong, fierce" and "short, forward, roundhouse" so we've got a ways to go
"every disagreement can be solved with a best of 5" ok but that's true though
Chad new age player: tells you to adapt to their McDonald’s WiFi.
Arcades were dope going to new arcades with your crew and playing against the locals. Seeing people from other arcades coming to your local arcade and having a rivalry. Family Fun Arcade was the spot back in the days. It was mostly the social aspect tbh that I miss. I was above average in cvs2 and Third strike and having the Japanese pros coming for Evo was dope. Hanging out after playing games and getting food drinking it was dope. Stopped at sf4 because I picked up mobas and MMOs instead. Definitely some good memories and made friends I'm still friends with now.
Dude was wack back in the day and stayed wack lol
@@danlorett2184 And he brags about it infront of people that play football/rugby on their free time.
I'm a "fighting game boomer" (played WW in arcades at release, played in CE tournaments when it was current, attended B4 and B5, etc.) and I didn't even have to see the name of the first player you were quoting to instantly know who it is: Apoc.
Please do not take him as representative of us. He is one of a select group of players that was known *even back then* for bashing every single new game to come out. He has been singing this same tired "players today don't have skill and these new games are for scrubs" song for A QUARTER OF A CENTURY. Back when Bill Clinton was in office, this dude would have talked your ear off telling you about how Marvel takes no skill and is only for scrubs. Ignore him.
That's a hell of a history lesson. Thanks for that, my dude.
I used to play in the arcade when they were still around. Had to lay your quarter on the screen to call next. Started on SF2 and left at MVC2. Quit when I got a home console and starting playing Madden and COD. I wanted to get back into fighting games because I saw Snake Eyez play. I bought a PS4 specifically for SFV and wanted to learn. The wild thing as an old school player, I got gatekeep by the previous USF4 players. My boomer ass got gatekept by millenials and kids they have anime profile pics. hahahahha. Glad I stuck with it. Learn so much about fighting games and now Ultra Platinum.
Gotta love the description "The Fighting Game Community has a problem..." thats right!! But videos like this wont fix or better the community, looking at the comments it seems to fuel more problems and divide.
Nice meme, nice stereotypes you are presenting and pushing Brian...im sure this will fix the problems the fgc has....oh wait, it wont and with 30k subs you should think about what kind of content you are pushing cause this seems hypocritical, arent you more part of the problem if you reinforce and spread negative stereotypes of players in our community?!
Yo, someone dropped a clown license. I think it's yours.
@@SyxxPunk thats your opinion, cool, have a nice day.
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Amazing responses to this comment
So insightful, i am ten times wiser than i was before
There will always be a boomer in the FGC. I start playing in the arcade back in 97/98 with KOF games (they're pretty damn huge in Brasil) and this type of behavior already existed back than. I never passed the "casual" state in the game, just wanna play and have some fun with my friends. Every time some of us beated any older guy, they simply turn off the cabinet and try to kick us out of the arcade saying that we weren't even old enough to be there. All this to hide the shame of lost a quarter to some 10-year-old kids mashing buttons. lmao
FGC Boomers in a nutshell:
If we are good, it's all on us
If we are bad, it's all on the game
If you are good, it's all on the game
If you are bad, it's all on you