With going on 2000 rounds through mine, I can tell you it is exceptional. Accurate, comfortable, and stunningly beautiful the weight is perfect. The balance is perfect and the comp keeps it flat.
It’s a macro with an upgraded grip module, everything else is virtually identical. Nice looking gun, personally I like my macro with the Wilson combat grip module.
@@BinaryPun it’s a definitive upgrade from the stock grip module. They added a notch you can cut out for a safety, which I think screws up the aesthetics but overall I like it. I don’t think I could justify spending $400+ for the AXG or Icarus
@@jimherold7827 Presumably more velocity so better terminal ballistics. For some reason, there is little to no information floating out there as to whether or not there is a substantial difference. Supposedly, some defensive 9mm will not properly expand if the barrel is closer to 3 inches. 4 inches is supposedly the "sweet" spot, but again info seems to be scarce on this, it's just things I have "heard". If true, then yeah I can see why a 3.7 inch barrel is best...
@@jimherold7827 Better is relative. Everything has tradeoffs. If you need to compete with fastest consecutive shots on target then the comp helps you get back on aim fractions of a second faster. Definitely looks cool though, and if you're trying to beat a bad guy with a gun it may be useful to land multiples on center mass faster. But you'll deal with more carbon to clean, more muzzle flash, more heat creep into the slide, more problems when firing from the hip at close range and your face is above the gun (physical fight or in a car), more lint collection, less accuracy down range, less ballistic ejection speed, and higher cost.
@@thespectator5259 For 9mm the increased length gets you about 220 FPS. But my shorty barrel is also ported so it's going to be losing a bit more velocity, and I have an extended barrel with a harrington comp so much more burn time. My friends recorded me shooting both of them there is far less flash coming out of the front of the long and there is fire coming out of the shorty and its comp holes so it's not burning all the powder. But the 365 platform is made to be a carry firearm. So imho what's the point, I like it mainly because I can throw its case and my MDR into the trunk and go shooting without lugging around 4 or 5 different pistols and 3 or 4 rifles. It normally stays in pocket carry from since I daily it... I think thats IMHO the advantage over others.
I really wonder about these fractions of an inch. The original P365 micro was amazing not for being so small, but for carrying 10 rounds. The big issue was people couldn't really get their hand on the grip (it was small) and complained it was too snappy. Some people ran a pinky extension on the magazine to help, but then Sig brought out the XL with a longer slide/barrel and slightly bigger grip (same grip used in the P365X). The longer slide conceals easily, since it sticks down close to the body, but the grip was a little longer. The XMacro came along and made the grip a little wider and a little longer still which is the part that prints (and TacOps and AXG legion added a magwell which prints more). It isn't the longer slide/barrel (or shorter barrel with the compensated versions) that are difficult to conceal IWB, but the larger grips may be. Personally I don't really care if someone staring at my waist notices a slight bulge. Unless all these comments are about the added weight of a longer slide & more bullets making it more uncomfortable to carry?
There are so many different ways to configure the P365 now that no one should be complaining... I feel like the cerakote on the slide and frame is one of the best upgrades along with the aluminum module and the G10 grips. Truth be told, anyone can buy and add a grip module that has a nice cerakote, but that doesn't protect the finish of your slide. I believe that standard XMacro is slightly thinner in the grip than the Legion and there are a few options available to enhance the back straps on the polymer frame including an aluminum palm swell. It's still not quite as thick as the G19 and weighs close to the same as the G19 when you add the 2 extra rounds. How long has everyone been concealing a G19?
I have both. Tacops and Legion. I like Legion more. it shoots flatter and the metal lower gives it the premium feel. Tacops was my fav until I got this legion. Both are good.
@lordabhikingfisher8087 Oh yeah, you can't beat metal. The Tacops imho is the best of the plastics though. Good choices. You think the Legion is worth the green🤑?
I’ve carried an XL for almost 4 years, and bought a X Macro (non-comp) a couple of months ago. What loses me on the comped versions of the X Macro and this Legion is the 3.1” barrel. I much prefer the longer 3.7” barrel without a comp, whether it’s in Legion cerakote or not.
The beauty of the macro is…take your xl barrel, slide and put it on your macro receiver. We’re very limited in California so we have to wait and see what we can get.
p938 is smaller than the P365 if you don’t mind the safety. If you actually look at the internals there is no room to put in much more. Your best options for DA/SA are the Bersa TPR9C or the HK P2000/P30 SK
@@Sig_P229 From what I've seen, there are mixed reviews on the P938 and it is also lower capacity. The other guns you mention don't seem to be quite in the same size range. I do own a Grand Power P11 and that's a small DA/SA gun. The HK options look super chunky.
@@justinkase1360 yeah not quite sure about the HKs. I have only held them. I love my TPR9C though. Better trigger than my Sigs tbh. The P11 does look nice. Probably lighter than the 2 suggested. Plus doesn’t the twist barrel have very reduced recoil I do love the P938. Bought one and love it. I think the p238 is actually better and shoots like a 22lr.
Compared to the X-Macro, it appears to have the same slide with a grey-ish cerakote paint job and a CNC'd version of the X-Macro grip module, modified to use replacement grip panels and wearing a matching cerakote paint job. It's unclear if anything has been done to the FCU or not. Hopefully, Sig will release the AXG grip module because having several X-Macro Comp/X-Macro TacOps already, I'm not inclined to buy yet another 'X-Macro' pattern pistol even though admittedly it looks very good. I'll just wait to see when something else drops. BTW, Wilson Combat just released their version of the X-Macro grip module in both black and tan, and with their tungsten weight kit, it feels very good.
I dunno, I can't imagine people are dropping $$ on the WC grips because of the stipple pattern, most likely it's for the extra hand grip purchase on these tiny pistols. But the XMacro actually doesn't have a grip problem, it's big enough that the regular and X/XL grip frame problems are gone. You can get all 4 fingers around the gun, eject mags without breaking your grip, and change out backstops to fill your hand better.
@fredvStein In general, I agree with that. I bought WC grip modules when I was carrying 365 lx's to increase grip size and texture - especially when paired with Tactical Development's WC matching magazine basepads. Admittedly, it's not as big of a deal with X-Macro lowers. Out of curiosity, I bought a WC X-macro module when they dropped. It's a purely preference issue. The front and back straps are much more aggressively textured than the Sig OEM version, enhancing purchase during the draw. The texturing on the sides extends uo higher than Sig's and the magwell has a more pronounced flar. The contour at the top/thumb area is also different. In addition, the WC grip moules have channels behind the magazine area into which Wilson's tungsten weight rods can be insertered to subtly alter the balance of the weapon - which I like. Last, there's an appearance difference that I like compared to Sig's black - or, in my case, Coyote Tan grip modules. Wilson also offers their's in black, grey, green, or a more FDE - like tan. It's a minor issue to change out the grip module without spending a lot, and one of the reasons the 365 platform is as popular as it is.
@@XrayMike17plus1for $75, it's more affordable than buying the standard XMacro grip and has some better features. If I'm going to spend $105 on a basic grip, I might at well spend $25 more for the Icarus Precision Air module.
I EDC a sig X macro with a holosun red dot and quit carrying my G19 over a year ago and haven't looked back. Not that the G19 Is bad it's a great pistol. But a X macro with 17+1, smaller, lighter, very accurate and reliable comes with Ns and great trigger. Is Very tough to beat
I’ve had both the P365 and the P365XL for two years now each sporting the Wilson Combat XL grip modules and wouldn’t change another thing. Use the extra money on ammo at the practice range! 🤷🏻♂️
For carry, the X-Macro Comp makes more sense. It's literally the same gun, albeit about 4 ounces lighter for 400 dollars less. Although the Legion is a head turner, I wonder if that cerakote paint job won't holster-scuff more easily than the Nitron finished X-Macro.
@BrandonGavin_EDC after over a year carrying it, it just is. I tried a few others in between, what a waste of time. Jm4 tactical holsters only, premium leather that doesn't mess with your finish.
So how is the FCU compared to a custom works FCU? I'm inclined to wait either for an AXG grip module or a TacOps Legion version as I already have an X-Macro Comp and multiple TacOps versions of the X-Macro.
Good video it would have been nice if you compared the metal grip size, in the hand with the P365 Macro grip in terms of thickness and reach, since theses are hard to find in stores. I ordered a AXG P320 and for my hand it was to big compared to the Sig regular grip modules and the Wilson grip module.
That's a good question. I saw the regular x macro comp compared to the legion on video the other day and there is a difference in the frame. It may or may not affect playing musical slide.
TacOps is just a Macro on steroids - add a magwell, extended slide lock button, and 2 extra mags... the Legion already has a magwell, extended slide lock button, and 1 extra mag.
Great video, very informative. I was looking at the Tacops but it doesn't have the compensated slide which is what I was looking for and I do prefer the mag well which is what I liked about the Tacops over the XMacro Comp. This seems to have all the options in one. Trying to figure out what color that is? Is it a bronz or a gray?
It's the standard Legion grey. Unless you're someone who prefers to buy something and not change anything, there are a lot of aftermarket options to make it whatever you want it to be. The gun can easily be transformed into a competition style race gun if you know what to look for. I feel like I could build an awesome pistol with roughly $880 that would outperform the legion. At $1,100 it would way outperform and outlast the Legion. It definitely looks completely different as well.
I believe it’s more about the balance of the frame and overall feel that as well reduces more recoil. The Icarus is very nice but then your going away from OEM but that’s $400
It's incredible knowing you can easily spend $1200 on the Legion, yet if you look in the right places you can have an aluminum frame with amazing grips and way better ergonomics than the original for $200 to $300. There's options for $360 to $450. There's an option to get a complete awesome gun excluding the FCU for $1,000 to $1,200 with way better features and way out performs your standard X Macro and the Legion. I personally started with the SAS model and have created a whole new pistol. Sharp's Bro's put out an original design that was initially good giving you a much better support hand purchase. They have recently stepped up the game with more ergonomical G10 grips with a few different color options. I'll be making a video soon!
How many rounds do you have through yours? 1911 syndicate had said in their review that the tolerances had really loosened up. To the point it would shake and rattle. Is yours still tight and right?
With regards to EDC, compare the Legion's size and weight to the SAS. Then take a glance at the two price tags. It's like when Ford branded the "Mach-E" a mustang....yeah right.
i wish they made it with a flush 15 rd xl grip design. that super long grip and flat bottom just looks weird. the angled bottom of the XL's looks way better.
Nice, but I'll take my 365XL over this because of a few reasons. Weight is number 1. No sagging when tucked in. I want it comfortable, like where I can even forget about it being there. XL is less weight and is most important to me since carrying daily. I think it's overpriced. Okay I can buy an extended release, removable magwell, etc. if I want, and not pay Sig's premium for it already being there. For a little less, if edc, I could even add the new Sig red dot and an XL, and still have money in my pocket. Legion has larger grips. All these small increases can become uncomfortable. If not edc, I do like the looks of the new Legion.
Been with the same FCU since launch with some work over... Had my tricked out 226 legion at the range and a guy next to me had one of these and let me try it out. Realized it's not better than my 365 at this point by a bit... MM grip, ZP slide and barrel, ect...Have all the conversion stuff to make it into a 365, XL, and Macro... Kinda was expecting the FCU to be a bit better considering its supposed to be a legion, but it feels like a stock 365XL FCU. Also, downside it doesn't have any option for the thumb safety. You can get better results building a base FCU. I have to disagree with you, its honestly 500 USD overpriced... But if your new to the platform, don't want the hassle of building it, more money than sense... its the gun for you...
Grip is too long on the xmacro models. Improve the trigger, give it a nice undercut and shorten the grip and it may be worth it. Until then, I will soldier on with my HK VP9.
Easier to invest more in carry gun bc it's the most likely to defend your life . What good does a staccato do in the safe if when you absolutely need to defend yourself you're carrying a g2c. Not that the g2c is not a decent budget option but if I have to defend my life I want the best tool available
The P365 series triggers are the worst ones I own. My 2 Shield Plus's triggers are vastly superior, as is my 2nd Gen CZ P10C, Ruger SR9C, Ruger Security 9 compact, & Springfield XDM pistols. Even after polishing the sear & striker, & adding a Tactical Trigger mod. Also the grip length is too long for conceal carry. There's a few videos out there showing how to deal with this problem.
I would even go as far as saying all current SIG striker triggers are horrible. Admittedly I am a trigger snob, but in the modern time there is no reason to compromise on a clean,crisp break. SIG triggers are completely mush on their break. The original p365 trigger was WAY better on the break. I know it had striker drag as so they "fixed" it. Ever since then, their triggers are horrible! I laughed out loud the first time I felt one.
I'm surprised you found one right now. I was hot for one of these but couldn't find one. Rumor was they had to delay the full rollout due to frame problems. I checked this with my LGS a couple of days ago and they confirmed that a Sig rep told them there was a delay, though of course Sig being Sig didn't tell them why.
Just got the 365 X macro, I can’t believe how HORRIBLE the coating on the mags are, which leads to rust. The gun doesn’t have the best coating either. You’d think for the cost of sig they’d but a better coating on it.
@@SecondClassCitizen that’s good that you haven’t had any issues. The biggest area are the mags near the top and around the feed lips. And no, I live in PA so there isn’t any corrosive saltwater around.
Had my xl for over a year. Mag finish definitely comes off from wear, but zero rusting at all. Have two 17 mags for the range and those haven't been worn much. Also no wear on the coating for the slide.
Anyone who has the AXG Legion can I ask you how is the feel of the grip module. I feel the X Macro feels thin and not that wide in comparison to say a S&W Shield. I am hoping the design of this module it will fit the hand better. As I prefer the AXG over the Icirus which looks larger than the standard grip. Anyone who can shed a little light on this would sure be appreciated.
I just find it funny that people will pay for an upgraded metal frame on their pistol because they don't like plastic, but then the metal frame AXG takes plastic panel grip inserts.
With a proper 2-handed grip, unless you have REALLY small hands, your left thumb shouldn't be anywhere near the mag release. Unless your left hand was really really low on the pistol.
I’ll stick to my g48 as my EDC. I feel that it’s a bit silly to get something like a legion build for an EDC. EDIT: I say that as I have completely tricked out my g48 with an aftermarket trigger kit, recoil spring and red dot optic lol so I guess maybe all the bells and whistles on an EDC can be helpful.
It will only be perfected when they build the P365 Legion version with No comp, a longer barrel and a more durable finish. Sig is not there yet, too busy trying to get their M-7 through the Military testing. 14lb, $17,700.00 rifle vs $700.00 M-4, I wonder when it's going to flop?
I like my regular original size 365. I just hate the slide being cut for an optic Ill never put on. One more rust interface to worry about and its not as smooth and sleek. Why is everyone trying to turn the 365 into a tacticool duty pistol? Go buy a desert eagle with a chainsaw bayonet and flamethrower....
Finally been perfected...why did we have to wait for this one for the platform to be "perfected"? The the older Sigs had a near mythical quality and reliability reputation. Their foray into Polymer pistols and chassis concept has not yielded the same results and reputation. Sig has had struggles with QC as the popularity in the civilian market has exploded and they got all the military contracts. They need to tighten the QC up and address the safety issues or perceived issues on the P320 and P365 lines, even if its mostly user induced they need to add a trigger dingus, or grip safety to reduce the ND chances. Side note, I have zero issues with my HS/SA XD line pistols.
Can’t even compare a G19 with AXG Legion. I carry a 365X, flat trigger, Wilson Combat grip with Sig Custom Works slide and 17 round extended mags, basically a AXG Legion. Hardly notice I’m carrying it appendix, even with additional 17 round mag. I guarantee you you’re going to notice a G19 down the front of your pants. The AXG Legion would be perfect if it had a safety. Also, SIG Custom Works slide now comes with X-ray suppressor sights, and AXG Legion doesn’t so you can’t co-witness with optic. Makes no sense.
In my opinion they actually screwed up the grip by doing the same stupid thing that Glock has done for ages -- making the base plate of the magazine protrude, and more noticeable under your shirt. That's too bad because I was looking forward to this model, but ever since they continued pushing the X-Macro grip features, I have no interest in the latest in the P365 line up. 😏 I think the XL was their sweet spot, but they had to keep pushing it. LOL
I take my 365 Spectre comp over it. Gives me the option for 12 or 17 round mags. Not a big fan of aluminum lowers either. I’d consider this more of a full size pistol. I rather have one that performs the same, lighter and that I can conceal easier.
The X MACRO Legion is my everyday carry. I have been carrying it for just about five months. I have shot 1000 rounds through it. Varies weight, tykes, and brands, in 1000 rounds and five magazines, I have had nit one malfunction of any form. I normally would not carry an expensive gun like this, but I was drawn to this and enjoy wearing it daily.
The P365s are so tiny. When I pick them up at the store, I imagine their target market is little people who live in tiny homes and drive Smart cars. This one looked better until you held up that G19, which is about the smallest pistol I've been able to grip with both hands, manipulate, or shoot effectively. I'd like to find something easier to carry without giving up shoot ability, but I don't think it exists. $1200 is outrageous, too. It would suck handing that over to sit in an evidence locker after a self-defense incident. You might not ever get it back.
Yep, it still seems girl sized though. I have an old P229 that like a G19 is about as small as I can use and remain combat effective. I think I'm just too big for the newer fad of micro-sized 9mm guns.They seem great until I actually try to shoot them. @@PD-we8vf
Yep, I can do a G19, but the full-size grip is definitely better. I actually prefer the large-frame Glocks like the 20 and 21 if concealed carry isn't a concern.@@Doggonewood
There mags are not even made of stainless and for 60 dollars a pop witch is sticatto price it’s really a shame carried mine in a QVO sidecar holster and rust started popping through on the mag
With going on 2000 rounds through mine, I can tell you it is exceptional. Accurate, comfortable, and stunningly beautiful the weight is perfect. The balance is perfect and the comp keeps it flat.
some people found the slide to "loosen" over time. Has that happened to you?
It’s a macro with an upgraded grip module, everything else is virtually identical. Nice looking gun, personally I like my macro with the Wilson combat grip module.
How is the Wilson Combat's new Macro grip module? I have their XL module and I love it, so I considered upgrading to the Macro version!
@@BinaryPun it’s a definitive upgrade from the stock grip module. They added a notch you can cut out for a safety, which I think screws up the aesthetics but overall I like it. I don’t think I could justify spending $400+ for the AXG or Icarus
Likewise...
Yep. Not wasting my money on that thing.
@@jlinka79 not worth it, the macro or tac ops are just as good. Don’t bother with the flex either.
I can't wait for Sig to come out with the non-comp Legion version with the 3.7" barrel.
Just get a xl and slap a icarus precision grip module on it. That's what I did
Why. The comp version is better and has less muzzle flip.
@@jimherold7827 Presumably more velocity so better terminal ballistics. For some reason, there is little to no information floating out there as to whether or not there is a substantial difference.
Supposedly, some defensive 9mm will not properly expand if the barrel is closer to 3 inches. 4 inches is supposedly the "sweet" spot, but again info seems to be scarce on this, it's just things I have "heard".
If true, then yeah I can see why a 3.7 inch barrel is best...
@@jimherold7827 Better is relative. Everything has tradeoffs. If you need to compete with fastest consecutive shots on target then the comp helps you get back on aim fractions of a second faster. Definitely looks cool though, and if you're trying to beat a bad guy with a gun it may be useful to land multiples on center mass faster. But you'll deal with more carbon to clean, more muzzle flash, more heat creep into the slide, more problems when firing from the hip at close range and your face is above the gun (physical fight or in a car), more lint collection, less accuracy down range, less ballistic ejection speed, and higher cost.
@@thespectator5259 For 9mm the increased length gets you about 220 FPS. But my shorty barrel is also ported so it's going to be losing a bit more velocity, and I have an extended barrel with a harrington comp so much more burn time. My friends recorded me shooting both of them there is far less flash coming out of the front of the long and there is fire coming out of the shorty and its comp holes so it's not burning all the powder. But the 365 platform is made to be a carry firearm. So imho what's the point, I like it mainly because I can throw its case and my MDR into the trunk and go shooting without lugging around 4 or 5 different pistols and 3 or 4 rifles. It normally stays in pocket carry from since I daily it... I think thats IMHO the advantage over others.
I really wonder about these fractions of an inch. The original P365 micro was amazing not for being so small, but for carrying 10 rounds. The big issue was people couldn't really get their hand on the grip (it was small) and complained it was too snappy. Some people ran a pinky extension on the magazine to help, but then Sig brought out the XL with a longer slide/barrel and slightly bigger grip (same grip used in the P365X). The longer slide conceals easily, since it sticks down close to the body, but the grip was a little longer. The XMacro came along and made the grip a little wider and a little longer still which is the part that prints (and TacOps and AXG legion added a magwell which prints more). It isn't the longer slide/barrel (or shorter barrel with the compensated versions) that are difficult to conceal IWB, but the larger grips may be. Personally I don't really care if someone staring at my waist notices a slight bulge. Unless all these comments are about the added weight of a longer slide & more bullets making it more uncomfortable to carry?
There are so many different ways to configure the P365 now that no one should be complaining... I feel like the cerakote on the slide and frame is one of the best upgrades along with the aluminum module and the G10 grips. Truth be told, anyone can buy and add a grip module that has a nice cerakote, but that doesn't protect the finish of your slide. I believe that standard XMacro is slightly thinner in the grip than the Legion and there are a few options available to enhance the back straps on the polymer frame including an aluminum palm swell. It's still not quite as thick as the G19 and weighs close to the same as the G19 when you add the 2 extra rounds. How long has everyone been concealing a G19?
Keep em coming. Can you do the CZ Shadow Compact?
They perfected it with THE TACOPS. Cop approved.
Yes, $500 cheaper, comes with 4 mags and without that comp'd slide that IMO doesn't do much for a compact model anyway. With a 3.7" barrel as well.
Agreed, the TACOPS is the sweep spot for me on this platform.
Im not a cop but I have the Tacops. Awesome! Actually the best deal.
I have both. Tacops and Legion. I like Legion more. it shoots flatter and the metal lower gives it the premium feel. Tacops was my fav until I got this legion. Both are good.
@lordabhikingfisher8087 Oh yeah, you can't beat metal. The Tacops imho is the best of the plastics though. Good choices. You think the Legion is worth the green🤑?
After this run sells outs they’ll release the sig sauer p365x macro axg legion scorpion classic xl emperor. It will include a Romeo rds
Sig Sauer is like the Italians. A bunch of words that could be said in a few. lol
I really like this firearm, thanks for the information.
I’ve carried an XL for almost 4 years, and bought a X Macro (non-comp) a couple of months ago.
What loses me on the comped versions of the X Macro and this Legion is the 3.1” barrel. I much prefer the longer 3.7” barrel without a comp, whether it’s in Legion cerakote or not.
The beauty of the macro is…take your xl barrel, slide and put it on your macro receiver. We’re very limited in California so we have to wait and see what we can get.
No legions for us , but I was able to get a macro xcomp.
The XL is still the best version of the 365.
@@usernamesrlamo on balance that may be true, but I do love the Macro’s 17 round flush fit mags.
Yes, I had the comp and traded it for the XL Tacops. 3.7 inch barrel and I shoot it better plus you get a Magwell and 4 mags.
Sure wish they made a DA/SA gun like the P365. I think the P250 scared them off, because it was overshadowed by the P320.
p938 is smaller than the P365 if you don’t mind the safety. If you actually look at the internals there is no room to put in much more.
Your best options for DA/SA are the Bersa TPR9C or the HK P2000/P30 SK
@@Sig_P229 From what I've seen, there are mixed reviews on the P938 and it is also lower capacity. The other guns you mention don't seem to be quite in the same size range. I do own a Grand Power P11 and that's a small DA/SA gun. The HK options look super chunky.
@@justinkase1360 yeah not quite sure about the HKs. I have only held them. I love my TPR9C though. Better trigger than my Sigs tbh.
The P11 does look nice. Probably lighter than the 2 suggested. Plus doesn’t the twist barrel have very reduced recoil
I do love the P938. Bought one and love it. I think the p238 is actually better and shoots like a 22lr.
@@Sig_P229i prefer hammer fire over striker that’s why i love my 229
Why?!
Compared to the X-Macro, it appears to have the same slide with a grey-ish cerakote paint job and a CNC'd version of the X-Macro grip module, modified to use replacement grip panels and wearing a matching cerakote paint job. It's unclear if anything has been done to the FCU or not. Hopefully, Sig will release the AXG grip module because having several X-Macro Comp/X-Macro TacOps already, I'm not inclined to buy yet another 'X-Macro' pattern pistol even though admittedly it looks very good. I'll just wait to see when something else drops. BTW, Wilson Combat just released their version of the X-Macro grip module in both black and tan, and with their tungsten weight kit, it feels very good.
Better yet, WC’s module is 1911 style 🤠🍻
I dunno, I can't imagine people are dropping $$ on the WC grips because of the stipple pattern, most likely it's for the extra hand grip purchase on these tiny pistols. But the XMacro actually doesn't have a grip problem, it's big enough that the regular and X/XL grip frame problems are gone. You can get all 4 fingers around the gun, eject mags without breaking your grip, and change out backstops to fill your hand better.
@fredvStein In general, I agree with that. I bought WC grip modules when I was carrying 365 lx's to increase grip size and texture - especially when paired with Tactical Development's WC matching magazine basepads. Admittedly, it's not as big of a deal with X-Macro lowers. Out of curiosity, I bought a WC X-macro module when they dropped. It's a purely preference issue. The front and back straps are much more aggressively textured than the Sig OEM version, enhancing purchase during the draw. The texturing on the sides extends uo higher than Sig's and the magwell has a more pronounced flar. The contour at the top/thumb area is also different. In addition, the WC grip moules have channels behind the magazine area into which Wilson's tungsten weight rods can be insertered to subtly alter the balance of the weapon - which I like. Last, there's an appearance difference that I like compared to Sig's black - or, in my case, Coyote Tan grip modules. Wilson also offers their's in black, grey, green, or a more FDE - like tan. It's a minor issue to change out the grip module without spending a lot, and one of the reasons the 365 platform is as popular as it is.
@@XrayMike17plus1for $75, it's more affordable than buying the standard XMacro grip and has some better features. If I'm going to spend $105 on a basic grip, I might at well spend $25 more for the Icarus Precision Air module.
I EDC a sig X macro with a holosun red dot and quit carrying my G19 over a year ago and haven't looked back. Not that the G19 Is bad it's a great pistol. But a X macro with 17+1, smaller, lighter, very accurate and reliable comes with Ns and great trigger. Is Very tough to beat
What are n’s?
@@PD-we8vf night sights
@@PD-we8vf night sights
I’ve had both the P365 and the P365XL for two years now each sporting the Wilson Combat XL grip modules and wouldn’t change another thing. Use the extra money on ammo at the practice range! 🤷🏻♂️
Picked one up Saturday. Very nice firearm
Enjoyed the opinion
picked one up. great pistol so far. Rome x helps as well.
The legion is the Lamborghini of sigs wish I could afford one but I do love my p365 standard
Just got the 226 x5 legion. It’s unbelievable
For carry, the X-Macro Comp makes more sense. It's literally the same gun, albeit about 4 ounces lighter for 400 dollars less. Although the Legion is a head turner, I wonder if that cerakote paint job won't holster-scuff more easily than the Nitron finished X-Macro.
I agree that X-Macro has caught my eye as the perfect size carry.
@BrandonGavin_EDC after over a year carrying it, it just is. I tried a few others in between, what a waste of time. Jm4 tactical holsters only, premium leather that doesn't mess with your finish.
@@coreysharp9794 awesome thanks
I've had a legion 226 for more years than I can remember and the finish is a lot tougher than I ever gave it credit for. Still looks new
Sig made that ammo especially for the 365 series
Thanks. Great video
Great job!
I'm with you, I'd ditch the magwell, also I'd rather it had a XL slide too. Good video!
I put a deposit on one last week... Feels great in the hands !! I wish they made a 40cal version 😁
So how is the FCU compared to a custom works FCU? I'm inclined to wait either for an AXG grip module or a TacOps Legion version as I already have an X-Macro Comp and multiple TacOps versions of the X-Macro.
Good video it would have been nice if you compared the metal grip size, in the hand with the P365 Macro grip in terms of thickness and reach, since theses are hard to find in stores.
I ordered a AXG P320 and for my hand it was to big compared to the Sig regular grip modules and the Wilson grip module.
So the axg legion grip module should fit the p365xl wouldn’t it
That's a good question. I saw the regular x macro comp compared to the legion on video the other day and there is a difference in the frame. It may or may not affect playing musical slide.
Great Video as usual... When do you think we could expect a 365 AXG Legion TacOps (3.7" barrel-no comp) version? Thanks!!
TacOps is just a Macro on steroids - add a magwell, extended slide lock button, and 2 extra mags... the Legion already has a magwell, extended slide lock button, and 1 extra mag.
Yeah, I agree. I was just wondering if Sig will follow the same (lame) path with the 365 AXG Legion as they did with the Macro. @@fredvStein
Great video, very informative. I was looking at the Tacops but it doesn't have the compensated slide which is what I was looking for and I do prefer the mag well which is what I liked about the Tacops over the XMacro Comp. This seems to have all the options in one. Trying to figure out what color that is? Is it a bronz or a gray?
It's the standard Legion grey. Unless you're someone who prefers to buy something and not change anything, there are a lot of aftermarket options to make it whatever you want it to be. The gun can easily be transformed into a competition style race gun if you know what to look for. I feel like I could build an awesome pistol with roughly $880 that would outperform the legion. At $1,100 it would way outperform and outlast the Legion. It definitely looks completely different as well.
Would love an oem aluminum grip module for the micro. Don’t like the look of the aftermarket options.
I just added a icarus precision grip to my xl. Pretty much the same gun now
Great video. Thanks. Could you tell us if there is any upgrades internally other than the trigger?
Imagine it with rose wood grips
I believe it’s more about the balance of the frame and overall feel that as well reduces more recoil.
The Icarus is very nice but then your going away from OEM but that’s $400
It's incredible knowing you can easily spend $1200 on the Legion, yet if you look in the right places you can have an aluminum frame with amazing grips and way better ergonomics than the original for $200 to $300. There's options for $360 to $450. There's an option to get a complete awesome gun excluding the FCU for $1,000 to $1,200 with way better features and way out performs your standard X Macro and the Legion. I personally started with the SAS model and have created a whole new pistol. Sharp's Bro's put out an original design that was initially good giving you a much better support hand purchase. They have recently stepped up the game with more ergonomical G10 grips with a few different color options. I'll be making a video soon!
Hoping Sig will release a basic AXG 365 macro grip module in black, so current owners have another option.
I really like that Legion version...but for me it must have a manual safety option.
You can add manual safety to any p365. About $45 in parts and you notch the grip module. I’ve done in several times very easy.
@@uutube243 not on a metal frame.
@@ifly64s That's why no one will remember your name.
@@willy4869 this makes absolutely no sense.
@ifly64s i see the joke quoting the movie "Troy" sailed right over your head.
You can cut that safety notch in a metal frame if you're brave enough.
How many rounds do you have through yours?
1911 syndicate had said in their review that the tolerances had really loosened up. To the point it would shake and rattle.
Is yours still tight and right?
With regards to EDC, compare the Legion's size and weight to the SAS. Then take a glance at the two price tags. It's like when Ford branded the "Mach-E" a mustang....yeah right.
i wish they made it with a flush 15 rd xl grip design. that super long grip and flat bottom just looks weird. the angled bottom of the XL's looks way better.
You never mentioned, is the trigger any better then the other 365's ?
Any rust issues?
Is the P365 AXG Legion the same as the P365 Shark Coast pistol?
Man i can’t find this gun NOWHERE!!!
Have you done a H&K VP9 yet??
Nice, but I'll take my 365XL over this because of a few reasons. Weight is number 1. No sagging when tucked in. I want it comfortable, like where I can even forget about it being there. XL is less weight and is most important to me since carrying daily. I think it's overpriced. Okay I can buy an extended release, removable magwell, etc. if I want, and not pay Sig's premium for it already being there. For a little less, if edc, I could even add the new Sig red dot and an XL, and still have money in my pocket. Legion has larger grips. All these small increases can become uncomfortable. If not edc, I do like the looks of the new Legion.
Please made the 22lr version of this handgun
Been with the same FCU since launch with some work over... Had my tricked out 226 legion at the range and a guy next to me had one of these and let me try it out. Realized it's not better than my 365 at this point by a bit... MM grip, ZP slide and barrel, ect...Have all the conversion stuff to make it into a 365, XL, and Macro... Kinda was expecting the FCU to be a bit better considering its supposed to be a legion, but it feels like a stock 365XL FCU. Also, downside it doesn't have any option for the thumb safety. You can get better results building a base FCU. I have to disagree with you, its honestly 500 USD overpriced... But if your new to the platform, don't want the hassle of building it, more money than sense... its the gun for you...
The legion grip module will arrive soon, and I'll add it to my OEM and Wilson grip module. 😅
Grip is too long on the xmacro models. Improve the trigger, give it a nice undercut and shorten the grip and it may be worth it. Until then, I will soldier on with my HK VP9.
Held one yesterday. Nice old school feel and weight. $1500. It's too much for me. I'd get the new cz compact for that.
I wish sig (or someone) made a macro frame that fit an XL holster.
They need an AXG Legion "short" grip module for 365x sized slides.
Did they fix the dropping issue?
Really??? Its nit even the same handgun?? Has Glock changed thier breadown so you dont have to press the trigger to take off the slide???
Does anyone know if the axg frame is available to be purchased and swaped out with factory macro frame?
It looks like a good gun. Doesn’t look like 700 dollars better than a 365
I would love to buy this if my state didn’t have 10 rounds capacity limit. 😢
Is this the model that goes bang while in the holster?
That’s the 320
I shot the P365's but never fell.into then hype. I jumped into the SS CR920P and its wayyyy better in basically every way.
Easier to invest more in carry gun bc it's the most likely to defend your life . What good does a staccato do in the safe if when you absolutely need to defend yourself you're carrying a g2c. Not that the g2c is not a decent budget option but if I have to defend my life I want the best tool available
The P365 series triggers are the worst ones I own. My 2 Shield Plus's triggers are vastly superior, as is my 2nd Gen CZ P10C, Ruger SR9C, Ruger Security 9 compact, & Springfield XDM pistols. Even after polishing the sear & striker, & adding a Tactical Trigger mod. Also the grip length is too long for conceal carry. There's a few videos out there showing how to deal with this problem.
I would even go as far as saying all current SIG striker triggers are horrible. Admittedly I am a trigger snob, but in the modern time there is no reason to compromise on a clean,crisp break. SIG triggers are completely mush on their break. The original p365 trigger was WAY better on the break. I know it had striker drag as so they "fixed" it. Ever since then, their triggers are horrible! I laughed out loud the first time I felt one.
Walther PPQ trigger giggles at all of them.
@@YellowjacketGTOone of the best I've felt
I'm surprised you found one right now. I was hot for one of these but couldn't find one. Rumor was they had to delay the full rollout due to frame problems. I checked this with my LGS a couple of days ago and they confirmed that a Sig rep told them there was a delay, though of course Sig being Sig didn't tell them why.
I picked up one on 1/9. They just got it in. Just 1.
@@Doggonewood I managed to get one the day after New Year.
Just got the 365 X macro, I can’t believe how HORRIBLE the coating on the mags are, which leads to rust. The gun doesn’t have the best coating either. You’d think for the cost of sig they’d but a better coating on it.
I've had mine since they first came out, I carry it every day. Neither my mags nor the finish has had any issues. Do live near the ocean?
@@SecondClassCitizen that’s good that you haven’t had any issues. The biggest area are the mags near the top and around the feed lips. And no, I live in PA so there isn’t any corrosive saltwater around.
Had my xl for over a year. Mag finish definitely comes off from wear, but zero rusting at all. Have two 17 mags for the range and those haven't been worn much.
Also no wear on the coating for the slide.
Anyone who has the AXG Legion can I ask you how is the feel of the grip module. I feel the X Macro feels thin and not that wide in comparison to say a S&W Shield. I am hoping the design of this module it will fit the hand better. As I prefer the AXG over the Icirus which looks larger than the standard grip. Anyone who can shed a little light on this would sure be appreciated.
It fits my hand like a glove. I love the thinness of the pistol.
I just find it funny that people will pay for an upgraded metal frame on their pistol because they don't like plastic, but then the metal frame AXG takes plastic panel grip inserts.
wish they went with a shorter grip to help with concealment, 15 rounds would have been perfect
The cerakote wears worse than the old PVD coating. Mine is already chipping after 300 rounds around the ejection port.
With a proper 2-handed grip, unless you have REALLY small hands, your left thumb shouldn't be anywhere near the mag release. Unless your left hand was really really low on the pistol.
When will this be available for sale?
I got on on the 9th in Az.
The slide is a ceracoted xmacro slide. The prize is the metal grip.
We need an xl comp
Damn just bought another p365 sas would have gotten this
I’ll stick to my g48 as my EDC. I feel that it’s a bit silly to get something like a legion build for an EDC.
EDIT: I say that as I have completely tricked out my g48 with an aftermarket trigger kit, recoil spring and red dot optic lol so I guess maybe all the bells and whistles on an EDC can be helpful.
😂😂😂
Need a manual safety version
For what????
Maybe if they made it with a 3.7 uncompensated barrel and slide.
It will only be perfected when they build the P365 Legion version with No comp, a longer barrel and a more durable finish. Sig is not there yet, too busy trying to get their M-7 through the Military testing. 14lb, $17,700.00 rifle vs $700.00 M-4, I wonder when it's going to flop?
Just got mine in.. I feel the trigger isn't up to Legion standards. rest of the gun is nice.
I like my regular original size 365. I just hate the slide being cut for an optic Ill never put on. One more rust interface to worry about and its not as smooth and sleek. Why is everyone trying to turn the 365 into a tacticool duty pistol? Go buy a desert eagle with a chainsaw bayonet and flamethrower....
They sell it without the plate cut.
Of course sig doesn't sell just that slide.
But if you find someone to trade you could.
@@Dwaurk not anymore they don't.
Can I send you a P365 accessory to try out?
Eyo!!! Viper from war thunder haha. Wtf. Nyraxes here. Good to see a man of culture here. I just got myself this exact legion. Am so excited
@@nyraxes4744 Great choice (:
Well... still waiting!
Thud! All that money.
Grip is too long. Shorten that to a 15 rounder and it would be perfect.
Finally been perfected...why did we have to wait for this one for the platform to be "perfected"? The the older Sigs had a near mythical quality and reliability reputation. Their foray into Polymer pistols and chassis concept has not yielded the same results and reputation. Sig has had struggles with QC as the popularity in the civilian market has exploded and they got all the military contracts. They need to tighten the QC up and address the safety issues or perceived issues on the P320 and P365 lines, even if its mostly user induced they need to add a trigger dingus, or grip safety to reduce the ND chances. Side note, I have zero issues with my HS/SA XD line pistols.
Enjoy your Eastern European made guns.
Can’t even compare a G19 with AXG Legion. I carry a 365X, flat trigger, Wilson Combat grip with Sig Custom Works slide and 17 round extended mags, basically a AXG Legion. Hardly notice I’m carrying it appendix, even with additional 17 round mag. I guarantee you you’re going to notice a G19 down the front of your pants. The AXG Legion would be perfect if it had a safety. Also, SIG Custom Works slide now comes with X-ray suppressor sights, and AXG Legion doesn’t so you can’t co-witness with optic. Makes no sense.
In my opinion they actually screwed up the grip by doing the same stupid thing that Glock has done for ages -- making the base plate of the magazine protrude, and more noticeable under your shirt. That's too bad because I was looking forward to this model, but ever since they continued pushing the X-Macro grip features, I have no interest in the latest in the P365 line up. 😏 I think the XL was their sweet spot, but they had to keep pushing it. LOL
I’ll keep my trusty old P220. Too many issues after the P320 made me jump to the dark side and get a Glock. Never been happier.
I take my 365 Spectre comp over it. Gives me the option for 12 or 17 round mags. Not a big fan of aluminum lowers either. I’d consider this more of a full size pistol. I rather have one that performs the same, lighter and that I can conceal easier.
everything butt a safety
The X MACRO Legion is my everyday carry. I have been carrying it for just about five months. I have shot 1000 rounds through it. Varies weight, tykes, and brands, in 1000 rounds and five magazines, I have had nit one malfunction of any form. I normally would not carry an expensive gun like this, but I was drawn to this and enjoy wearing it daily.
The P365s are so tiny. When I pick them up at the store, I imagine their target market is little people who live in tiny homes and drive Smart cars. This one looked better until you held up that G19, which is about the smallest pistol I've been able to grip with both hands, manipulate, or shoot effectively. I'd like to find something easier to carry without giving up shoot ability, but I don't think it exists. $1200 is outrageous, too. It would suck handing that over to sit in an evidence locker after a self-defense incident. You might not ever get it back.
Have you held a macro?
Glock 19x, 43x this grip is longer than a regular Glock 19.
Yep, it still seems girl sized though. I have an old P229 that like a G19 is about as small as I can use and remain combat effective. I think I'm just too big for the newer fad of micro-sized 9mm guns.They seem great until I actually try to shoot them. @@PD-we8vf
Yep, I can do a G19, but the full-size grip is definitely better. I actually prefer the large-frame Glocks like the 20 and 21 if concealed carry isn't a concern.@@Doggonewood
For 1200 if it saves my life once it was worth it. Hell u can keep it. I’m alive
I feel like the whole point of the gun was to be small and easily concealable but this grip and magwell would print so bad 😂
The "upgrades" don't seem worth it
Unfortunately you can't get this sig in Illinois
Not impressed with this one. $1200 is too much for basically an X-Macro TacOps.
Make it under $1k and I may think about it. Way too expensive for practical edc for most people.
There mags are not even made of stainless and for 60 dollars a pop witch is sticatto price it’s really a shame carried mine in a QVO sidecar holster and rust started popping through on the mag
The trigger is trash. I guess ok for ccw but it's a garbage trigger for a 1200 dollar gun.
Love the model, but just by watching your finger, I can clearly tell that’s a horrible trigger for being a Legion.
Wish they made this in a hammer fired
the trigger is horrible. compare it to the p10c and its a joke.
Sig lost their minds for the prices on their shit weapons
You'll shoot your finger(s) off with that thing.