John Deere R6210 vs. Case IH Puma 210

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  • @geoffscott5720
    @geoffscott5720 10 років тому +15

    Without knowing how each is weighted, its really quite a random "lets pull a tractor backwards" contest. Weight them identically, and then try it. Then it will come down to superior operator abilities, the longer wheelbase, and the clutch modulation.

  • @tsakirakose46
    @tsakirakose46 10 років тому +26

    Both of them are great machines...

  • @dannyo1966
    @dannyo1966 9 років тому +11

    Well, the ground under the John Deere was dry, therefore good traction. The ground under the Case IH was wet, therefore poorer traction. Turn the 2 around and let the Case IH pull on the dry ground and see if the John Deere out pulls it.

  • @andymartin1112
    @andymartin1112 10 років тому +1

    The 6920 in lreland is around the same size weight and power of the tm 155 6920 150hp the s version gets 10 more if I remember right, now the tm 175 and 190 are in line with the 7 series deere uncle has a good few 7530 theyre a good machine we have two ih pumas 215 coming soon

  • @thebriantampa
    @thebriantampa 8 років тому +18

    It's not just raw HP - WEIGHT is not given consideration. Get 'em both in the mud to equalize traction.

  • @malachys052
    @malachys052 10 років тому +3

    These new range of deere are a lot more impressive compared to the 20 and 30 series deere

  • @iope200
    @iope200 10 років тому +10

    The thing is they don't show nothing by that
    The best tractor is that who runs thousands of hours in haviest conditions and keep going and going....
    I had a bad experience with a ftp motor and now i'm runing a deere...
    NH & CASE are cheaper but i think jd are better build...my opinion

    • @caedancarroll4824
      @caedancarroll4824 3 роки тому

      Bro chill they were just doing a tug of war

    • @biobauer8
      @biobauer8 3 роки тому

      massey ferguson has a reputation for being sturdy. they're used all over africa. i think they are the best since they are cheap too

    • @caedancarroll4824
      @caedancarroll4824 3 роки тому +2

      Uncle had 4 JD and they all broke down 5 times in a couple months

  • @chrisdavies9984
    @chrisdavies9984 10 років тому +11

    John Deere has wheel weights

  • @fjnunesaz
    @fjnunesaz 10 років тому +1

    It never fails on any tractor tug o war video some goody two shoes has to try to rain on the parade by giving us the possible "snapped cable warning".

  • @ashtonjoshua97
    @ashtonjoshua97 10 років тому +1

    For starters the John Deere's booster is made so when under the slightest bit of pressure (higher load then capable) the boost kick in straight away, where the case doesnt!!!! The Case's booster kick in when it is struggling a bit.

  • @Redneck6475
    @Redneck6475 8 років тому +17

    Farmer born farmer bred and as long as I'm alive my tractor will always be red! RED POWER!

  • @boomer1049
    @boomer1049 Рік тому +1

    I am a John Deere guy but I believe the Deere has an unfair advantage due to wheel weights and suitcase weights

  • @casei708
    @casei708 Рік тому

    one on the concrete floor and the other in the mud and sometimes both of them open the differential lock

  • @Azzi61
    @Azzi61 8 років тому +10

    John Deere has front weight rear tire weights and better lugs on its tires. Give the case some new tires and some weights and make sure he isn't on wet ground well the John Deere is on dry ground. Then try it again.

  • @garysessoms9861
    @garysessoms9861 4 роки тому +2

    John Deere My Favorite Tractor

  • @farmertom96
    @farmertom96 10 років тому

    And a weight on the front and also narrow tyres

  • @tmsbon6581
    @tmsbon6581 6 років тому +7

    John Deere And Case Are My Favourite :D

    • @futurepilot6749
      @futurepilot6749 3 роки тому

      Claas

    • @andreauberti8518
      @andreauberti8518 3 роки тому

      @@futurepilot6749 No... Case , fendt , John deere , new holland , fiatagri , same , landini , massey ferguson , claas , deutz ...

    • @futurepilot6749
      @futurepilot6749 3 роки тому

      @@andreauberti8518 All are my favorite...All are best..

    • @andreauberti8518
      @andreauberti8518 3 роки тому

      @@futurepilot6749 Yes , i like them all tractor's !!! 😉

    • @futurepilot6749
      @futurepilot6749 3 роки тому

      @@andreauberti8518 okay.. where are you from..

  • @andymartin1112
    @andymartin1112 10 років тому +3

    Im case new holland man jus think theyre better on the limit, deere look good and are comfortable my cousin has one he even says him self case are far better on the shaft pto power is brilliant but we bit harder on fuel are NH tm155 would grip and pull better than his 6920 but theyre both good tractors just what ever you prefer

  • @geoffscott5720
    @geoffscott5720 10 років тому +4

    I would consider the 6R large frame tractor to be much of a muchness with the larger puma's - the 7R is a very heavy tractor, much more of a Magnum competitor. Look at the respective weights.

  • @huntersieling8011
    @huntersieling8011 7 років тому +1

    Tire lugs don't matter on concrete, the more surface area your tire covers is what matters

  • @user-yo6no6eg5q
    @user-yo6no6eg5q 6 місяців тому

    Para esta prueba se contrapesan igual lo.mismo hp igualmente el rango los tractores q tienen bien distribuido el peso con la potencia . Como.j D .son de muy alto rendimiento al igual m F frances es una máquina imprecionante

  • @gonk227
    @gonk227 5 років тому +3

    theres wheel weights on the R6210

  • @user-on1yx9wl9h
    @user-on1yx9wl9h 2 роки тому +1

    Красный в луже стоял, плюс протектор неочень. Дж на сухом, да и колеса по лучше.

    • @infofermer
      @infofermer Рік тому

      еще у джона баласты есть на задних колесах, а пума без заднего баласта. не честно как то

  • @halmain7406
    @halmain7406 8 років тому

    Good video

  • @MrValterka
    @MrValterka 10 років тому +6

    0:03 front weights 900kg

  • @JustinDDroneProductions
    @JustinDDroneProductions 7 років тому +1

    Buddy on the left is on pavement /brick .. how is this fare?

  • @jamesthemotormaniac2807
    @jamesthemotormaniac2807 3 роки тому +2

    YEAH DEERE WHOOOOOOO AWESOME

    • @jamesthemotormaniac2807
      @jamesthemotormaniac2807 3 роки тому

      @@andreauberti8518 oh really? Prove it!

    • @andreauberti8518
      @andreauberti8518 3 роки тому

      @@jamesthemotormaniac2807 i like Deere' but when there is to talk about Case Ih... "Nothing runs like a Deere " 🦌🚜

  • @dontwatchmyvideo6217
    @dontwatchmyvideo6217 3 роки тому +2

    YAHJOHN DEERE LETS GGGOOOOO

  • @vevohoeyo
    @vevohoeyo 6 років тому

    The JD has front linkage and weights. also has rear wheel weights. The puma has neither so was immediately going to lose. This is simply weight wins.

  • @iope200
    @iope200 10 років тому

    And andy 6920 compete with ts from nh. tm is a competitor for 74-7530 thats how i see things...one of my friend had a tm 190 and now bought a 6170m and the deere does the same job although has less weight and a6'8 l motor

  • @LM-vc4id
    @LM-vc4id 7 років тому +5

    We actualy have the same john deere but we also have a puma 240, I personally think the puma is better!

    • @i3lack912
      @i3lack912 7 років тому

      Puma is heavier tha a John Deere

    • @LM-vc4id
      @LM-vc4id 7 років тому +1

      ofcourse it is, but i will always love the puma because its soo goddamn powerfull!

    • @TheJordanAntibellum
      @TheJordanAntibellum 6 років тому

      Prodigy I love my 240 to death!!

  • @mysterytubesolved6472
    @mysterytubesolved6472 4 роки тому

    CaseIH Puma 210 Power:
    Engine: (gross) 210 hp [156.6 kW]
    PTO (claimed): 180 hp [134.2 kW]
    Drawbar (tested): 155.8 hp [116.2 kW]
    PTO (tested): 203.0 hp [151.4 kW]
    John Deere 6210R
    Engine (gross): 210 hp [156.6 kW]
    Engine (max): 249 hp [185.7 kW]

  • @temperekid
    @temperekid 10 років тому +1

    ''nothing run like a deere if a puma is hunting''..... put weigths and better tyres in the rear wheel of case and the result is totally diferent...

  • @LM-vc4id
    @LM-vc4id 7 років тому +5

    that is stupid the weight differs alot, and look at the profile of the tires.

  • @gillesvilleneuve4298
    @gillesvilleneuve4298 4 роки тому

    Grandeeee cervo vince sempre ovunque e kiunque non a rivali.... cervo forever...

  • @reedy2100
    @reedy2100 10 років тому +36

    Pointless video, case has no tires, JD has new tires... Case is on wet JD is on dry.... JD has weight block on, case hasn't

    • @sinanaydin6767
      @sinanaydin6767 9 років тому

      B Dawson
      I AGREE WİTH YOU BRO

    • @mattwhats290
      @mattwhats290 7 років тому +1

      Case has its weights lower underneath the lights. Also i great unedited video.

    • @henrychalmers223
      @henrychalmers223 4 роки тому

      should have had his diff lock on too

    • @user-qq5bj1vl4m
      @user-qq5bj1vl4m 8 місяців тому

      You’re just jealous

  • @andreauberti8518
    @andreauberti8518 3 роки тому +1

    1 the Case Ih 210 has not a weight
    2 the John Deere has new wheels...
    3 on the rain the traction go in fire...
    4 Try in the field ( hard field )
    But i like Deere's 🦌🚜👍💪

    • @MrMarkguth
      @MrMarkguth 3 роки тому +1

      The Johnny is a row crop tractor, I can’t see what tyre size it’s got, but most likely a narrower footprint than the case

    • @andreauberti8518
      @andreauberti8518 3 роки тому

      @@MrMarkguth yes

  • @cdbrown30
    @cdbrown30 9 років тому

    Slow day?

  • @Zamp_
    @Zamp_ 10 років тому +4

    Naturalmente tira di più il john deere , perché è più pesante rispetto al case.

  • @murphdog4558
    @murphdog4558 5 років тому

    the ground under the IH was wet just to let you know

  • @chemamartin6385
    @chemamartin6385 9 років тому +1

    Aparte que parece que donde esta el JD no se ve ningun charco y donde el Case yo diria que hay hasta barro. Los que han grabado el video estaba claro lo que querian dar a entender...

    • @rodrigorugamas646
      @rodrigorugamas646 2 роки тому

      Las llantas están sucias es otro motivo también y el contra peso d la tracción trasera

  • @71hraceteam
    @71hraceteam 3 роки тому +2

    Yay John Deere won!

  • @rodneystoddard2014
    @rodneystoddard2014 3 роки тому +1

    John Deere for ever

  • @chemamartin6385
    @chemamartin6385 9 років тому

    Lo primero, no se ve si el Case lleva tripuntal o no, yo hasta dudo de que lleve contrapeso delantero, segundo el JD lleva dos contrapesos como minimo en cada rueda trasera, lo cual a nada aumenta en 250-300 kilos el peso, ademas de llevar una rueda 620 ó 650, mas estrecha que la 710 que lleva el Case, que tambien tracciona menos. Yo creo que la prueba no es justa para el Case y por eso sale mal. Habria que verlo en igualdad de condiciones.

  • @SchuLiss
    @SchuLiss 7 місяців тому

    Diganme donde venden esa cuerda...

  • @WilliamAnderson-kc5ck
    @WilliamAnderson-kc5ck 6 років тому

    The jd has wheel weights bit 7n fear

  • @mikoajpays5738
    @mikoajpays5738 10 років тому +12

    case power

  • @natedawgp3690
    @natedawgp3690 8 років тому

    Whoop jd

  • @rodneystoddard2014
    @rodneystoddard2014 3 роки тому

    John Deere 've got frieghtliner Engine powered by Cummins believe it.

  • @Banane234
    @Banane234 8 років тому +2

    CASES BEST OF UNVERSUM

  • @shaneyboss
    @shaneyboss 10 років тому +4

    CASE!

  • @BRHARDWAY
    @BRHARDWAY Рік тому

    Problema está atrás do volante do John Deere

  • @MrFatdaz
    @MrFatdaz 4 роки тому +1

    Got nothing to do with power, traction isn’t equal

  • @sethw5629
    @sethw5629 10 років тому

    Do these tractors have air compressor systems on them?? I hear an air dryer purging periodically.

    • @ethansmith7552
      @ethansmith7552 4 роки тому

      Seth W they have air brake system most probably

  • @vlogginggamers1524
    @vlogginggamers1524 8 років тому +3

    I grew up around John Deere and I still drive em today John Deere is the best any other brand is good for the junk yard

    • @beast_boy_190
      @beast_boy_190 6 років тому

      Eric Thompson and what about Deutz-fahr?

    • @gumelini1
      @gumelini1 6 років тому

      Pricochi Antoni Deutz is better than all of those he mentioned.But he maybe does not know that Deutz exists because he grew up with John deeeeeereee

  • @thomasbolle6772
    @thomasbolle6772 3 роки тому

    The Johnny has weelweigts and a front weigt

  • @emircagrsarac352
    @emircagrsarac352 2 роки тому +1

    Caselil 🔥🔥🔥

  • @user-pj8le6th9j
    @user-pj8le6th9j 10 років тому +1

    ДЖОН СИЛА!!!!!!!

  • @mattquigley6757
    @mattquigley6757 10 років тому

    Case's are fucking Beast!!!!!!

    • @265justy
      @265justy 10 років тому +1

      Cases are beastly NEW HOLLANDS...

  • @samti86
    @samti86 10 років тому +6

    What a load of shit the deere has front weights and wheel weights the case is standard

  • @iope200
    @iope200 10 років тому

    Tooked from top 8r is competitor to magnum...7r is with puma 6r is with maxxum...jd policy is to have different series at same power... my first was a nh tla100...i was disapointed...now i have a 6930...i will see ... but from my neighbours i undestand that a deere is a deere....if u eantless fuel consumption buy a fendt... buy deutz motor are not reliable like deere and nef also are not on my taste

  • @adamdurr39
    @adamdurr39 7 років тому

    solche Tests finde ich wenig aussagekräftig: Untergrund nicht vergleichbar. Daher sollten die Seiten getauscht werden. Und treten beide mit dem selben Gewicht = Balastierung an. Und ich denke auch die Reifen haben einen Einfluss... usw. All dies ist ja nicht Schlepperabhängig.

  • @polaarj
    @polaarj 2 роки тому

    John Deere has a low wheel pressure I think

  • @agripassion-pt6me
    @agripassion-pt6me 6 років тому

    I love john derre❤🚜😍

  • @DerekLoseke
    @DerekLoseke 9 років тому +1

    Seems pretty pointless on concrete/asphalt. Put them in some dirt and see how the fare.

  • @iope200
    @iope200 10 років тому

    Thatnis not a test for a tractor...the impottant thing is the running hours whithout incidents...i am fan deere but i see that case doesn't have wheight ...althogh puma is a competitor for 7r serie of jd

  • @jcbexpert
    @jcbexpert 10 років тому +1

    In the field the deere's are absolutely crap compared to the case also the case is a far better tractor compared to the deere.
    The case is a far better tractor all round.

  • @iope200
    @iope200 10 років тому

    And less power off course

  • @mattrowe8575
    @mattrowe8575 Рік тому

    The john deere is a bigger heavier tractor..more HP too..plus better tires, front weights, and is on drier ground..not a fair comparison.

  • @michaelvoit4285
    @michaelvoit4285 10 років тому +4

    case power!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @calebculbertson5547
    @calebculbertson5547 10 років тому +5

    Nothing runs like a deere

    • @booster448
      @booster448 10 років тому +5

      nothing runs like a deere with a puma up its rear

    • @booster448
      @booster448 10 років тому +1

      ***** eh how am i boring

  • @salahandsalahsalahandsalah5340
    @salahandsalahsalahandsalah5340 2 роки тому

    جون دير اول سحب كان مشغل دفع خلفي فقط ثم شغل دفع رباعي

  • @cibuliux
    @cibuliux 11 років тому +2

    Puma is better

  • @i3lack912
    @i3lack912 7 років тому

    Is this in england?

    • @RCW3366
      @RCW3366 7 років тому +1

      I3lack probably merica bruv im in Wales

    • @i3lack912
      @i3lack912 7 років тому

      Thank you mate

    • @RCW3366
      @RCW3366 7 років тому

      I3lack you can tell by the style of his sheds

    • @i3lack912
      @i3lack912 7 років тому

      yea i worked with my dad in england and the sheds looked exactly the same but i saw sheds like this on videos from italy so i wasn't sure

    • @RCW3366
      @RCW3366 7 років тому

      I3lack oh right

  • @deutzfahrmadman
    @deutzfahrmadman 10 років тому +4

    the John deere was always going to win it! with the same horse power, the deere is bigger and heavier! which is a big advantage!!!!!!!

    • @Borevek1
      @Borevek1 2 роки тому

      jak kde , jak na co

  • @rcltf2507
    @rcltf2507 10 років тому

    the case was on wet cement unfair

  • @mjbltterswijk
    @mjbltterswijk 10 років тому

    It doesnt matter who had the advantage! The deere won. And if the case was on wet surface why did it win in 4x2?

    • @booster448
      @booster448 10 років тому +7

      case has no tires, JD has new tires... Case is on wet JD is on dry.... JD has weight block on, case hasn't

  • @lukelittle2248
    @lukelittle2248 7 років тому +1

    Case is better the john Deere has a power boost to 240

  • @freddy9o
    @freddy9o 10 років тому +2

    Macht am die Gewichte ab am johny da sie Welt dann schon ganz anders aus

    • @stefanschreiber5149
      @stefanschreiber5149 4 роки тому

      Brauchen die johnys hald sonst könnten sie so und so nicht mithalten

  • @Ryeguy-cz2rg
    @Ryeguy-cz2rg 8 років тому

    Not a fair pull . The fendt in the video has 396 horsepower, the john Deere has 330 horsepower.

    • @2323Legoboy
      @2323Legoboy 8 років тому

      It's a Case IH, not that Fendt pos you think it is.

  • @dafyddmorgan5094
    @dafyddmorgan5094 9 років тому +4

    Two good tractors but the case had a disadvantage on the wet ground if they both had the same ground the case would of blew it away

  • @nodasmixailidis5658
    @nodasmixailidis5658 6 років тому

    JD with 80% tyres and puma with 0% tyres.thats was a nice joke!

  • @MonsterTracksStudios
    @MonsterTracksStudios 4 роки тому

    John Deere 6210R Power:
    Engine (gross): 210 hp [156.6 kW]
    Engine (max): 249 hp [185.7 kW]
    Weight:16,317 lbs [7401 kg]
    CaseIH Puma 210 Power:
    Engine: 210 hp [156.6 kW]
    PTO (claimed): 180 hp [134.2 kW]
    Drawbar (tested): 155.8 hp [116.2 kW]
    PTO (tested): 203.0 hp [151.4 kW]
    Weight:15708 to 17915 pounds
    Situation : completely fair and Deere wins

    • @aceagri8116
      @aceagri8116 3 роки тому

      John deere 6210r max231hp?

  • @Railingruts250
    @Railingruts250 10 років тому +1

    im a john deere fan but that wasnt fair he was on drier concrete and it has wheel weights

  • @por_siempre
    @por_siempre 7 років тому

    spare time

  • @stef7396
    @stef7396 7 років тому

    why does the case not have new tires and a weight i dont think this is fair

    • @RCW3366
      @RCW3366 7 років тому

      StarGames Beacause the farmer realised how shit it is and uses it a hedgecutting tractor.

    • @stef7396
      @stef7396 7 років тому

      case is not shit lol jd is pure shit mate it costs way to much and its ugly af

  • @GamefrekMichae17
    @GamefrekMichae17 10 років тому +2

    In dem Fall muss John Deere an die Macht aber sont ist Fendt der Erste Gutes Video aber! ;)

    • @nobeatnierstein3298
      @nobeatnierstein3298 10 років тому

      was du laberst , seit wann ist fendt denn der beste trecker wenn es um zugkraft geht .

    • @GamefrekMichae17
      @GamefrekMichae17 10 років тому

      Ist er auch, zudem muss ein Pferd auf die Haube und kein Hirsch, Fendt ist der beste...

    • @nobeatnierstein3298
      @nobeatnierstein3298 10 років тому

      Naja John Deere ist nicht ohne Grund der Marktführer....

    • @GamefrekMichae17
      @GamefrekMichae17 10 років тому

      Ja und, diese Amerikanische Fehlproduktion...

    • @nobeatnierstein3298
      @nobeatnierstein3298 10 років тому

      Dazu denke ich mit meinen Teil

  • @grzybcio6
    @grzybcio6 11 років тому

    Cześć ! Nie wiem z jakiego kraju jesteś, dlatego pisze po polsku - możesz sobie przetłumaczyć. Inny użytkownik ukradł Ci film - znajdziesz go pod adresem watch?v=eu35y7eJDnY

  • @user-mt1ui1ex9z
    @user-mt1ui1ex9z 7 місяців тому

    john deer tires are on dryer ground n no weights i think the puma wouid win if all fair

  • @brankonemanja
    @brankonemanja 10 років тому +34

    John Deere is the best of the best

    • @hawker800FO
      @hawker800FO 10 років тому +7

      if you want to constantly speak with a dealer yes

    • @dusanignjatov7658
      @dusanignjatov7658 6 років тому +1

      After Fendt !!

    • @dwn197
      @dwn197 6 років тому

      hawker800FO u should ask case people how it feels, theyd write an essay bout it
      JD is the best, it lasts longer, its more reliable....
      Iys just better

    • @gumelini1
      @gumelini1 6 років тому +2

      HOT Chilli 25 and more xpensive to buy and maintain.I would prefer case

    • @xaviernadeau3366
      @xaviernadeau3366 6 років тому +1

      Well ... JD is better with the quickness and easiness of the tractors but, case IH is better power wise. I'd prefer case

  • @outdoorking69
    @outdoorking69 9 років тому

    proves nothing. The JD had rear weights and the case does not

  • @MahallamizUylari
    @MahallamizUylari 6 місяців тому

    Milwauke vs dewalt

  • @garethifan1034
    @garethifan1034 9 років тому +6

    Ahh..just get a Fendt instead.

    • @thepizzadevil7392
      @thepizzadevil7392 9 років тому +2

      fendt is just a german piece of crap!

    • @Horrligan
      @Horrligan 9 років тому +1

      jan martin faber
      I don't think so sweety ;)
      Save your time and money to get such a German masterpiece! JD and Case are more for kids to play in the garden.

    • @thepizzadevil7392
      @thepizzadevil7392 9 років тому

      Horrligan fuck you! german is just another word for gay and rubbish!

    • @Horrligan
      @Horrligan 9 років тому +1

      jan martin faber
      Hahaha oh my god what an idiot! Well okay you are right, Denmark is the best country in the world, known for great politics, best technique, best football and obviously the most intelligent people ;)

    • @deerert1985
      @deerert1985 9 років тому

      haha ich scheiß auf rechtschreibung im internet
      ich glaube ich bin größere sachen gefahren die du nie fahren wirst und ja ich lebe in den usa
      immerhin fahren wir hier große maschinen nicht so wie ihr mit euren fendt kinder spielzeugen

  • @dominikjd
    @dominikjd 10 років тому

    Yes thats right

  • @user-uo3mp8hw4o
    @user-uo3mp8hw4o Рік тому

    Весь кейс много менше закон физике кейс сильный и конечно

  • @6217lex
    @6217lex 10 років тому +4

    Allrad + SPERRE!!!!

  • @cjracing5629
    @cjracing5629 10 років тому +9

    That was unfair...

    • @codmod2killer
      @codmod2killer 10 років тому +2

      ...says the guy with a case profile picture...
      just people are always going to find excuses when the tractor they like loses...same thing happens alot with videos about ford, dodge and gm...
      not saying that i that i like john deere or case...just looking at the view of both sides

    • @germangamergroupes7812
      @germangamergroupes7812 9 років тому

      no, and you lost...
      you just lost.
      i know thats bad for you but case isnt as good as john deere
      ps: you lost!

    • @imblaze1452
      @imblaze1452 9 років тому

      ***** put them on a dry place, case will win

    • @codmod2killer
      @codmod2killer 9 років тому

      ...you are just reinforcing my first comment.....

    • @cjracing5629
      @cjracing5629 9 років тому

      ***** just shutup okay?

  • @richf430
    @richf430 11 років тому

    The John Deere has a much larger wheel combination most importantly the height,it also has wheel weights and its pulling in the dry where as the Case is on the wet.This is not a fair comparison, I have a Puma and John Deere's and they are pretty much the same just comes down to rubber,the Case is way more comfortable and ergonomically much better but the John Deere is better quality.

  • @romueldopanel3096
    @romueldopanel3096 10 років тому +2

    Le JD a des masses que le case non donc normale qu'il ne face pa le poid !

  • @florianmichel8202
    @florianmichel8202 10 років тому

    Le john deere est le meilleur