SuperSega FPGA Shows Games Running...On Something? Dreamcast FPGA When?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
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When enough of you keep asking me the same questions I try to listen...and normally thats about MARS FPGA...but today its SuperSega FPGA...or Super Sega FPGA depending on where you read the name; a new FPGA gaming device ala MiSTer FPGA that is promising Sega Dreamcast FPGA cores along with Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Master System and more! But is it real? Can they pull it off? What gaming hardware is it using? Because we already have up to the MiSTer FPGA Sega Saturn core working today...so that's SuperSega FPGA all about? Or Super Sega FPGA that is? Will it play the best Sega Dreamcast games? Will it be a Dreamcast console?
and now more details have emerged including a Super Sega FPGA price as well as other interesting bits of information like when you should expect to see a prototype...and now games apparently running on prototype FPGA hardware? Hard to say if its using MiSTer FPGA cores? it's own cores? I really don't know
But there are a ton of Dreamcast hidden gems, NAOMI hidden gems, IGS PGM hidden gems...and more! So playing them in FPGA one day in the future could totally be fun!
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If only I could play Saturn, Genesis, Master System, etc on FPGA now. Oh wait.......
Haha yes. If it doesn’t manage Dreamcast then we already have all that
@@shain6946 without this magical Dreamcast core, it’s just a less useful MISTER with a few cart adapters. A savvy marketer would’ve waited until he at least had some DC stuff to show off since it’s the lynchpin of the whole deal.!
Yes I’d have led with the thing we DONT have
@@devilmingy they might have figured that they’ll need funding to get DC working.
as in x hundred or thousand hours dev time, maybe even custom ASICs.
tbh: if they can show that they’re really working on new stuff, and that they’ll have something similar to openFPGA in the end, then I had a lot less hesitation throwing money in their crowd funding.
@@VideoGameEsoterica A $20 Tang Nano FPGA can do SG1000, Master System, Mega-Drive, NES, SNES, GB, GBC, NGP, NGPC, GG, ZX-Spectrum and maybe a few others, I get that there is a decent bit of value in real cartridge slots, even if you don't use real carts, you can get decent benefits from using a flashcarts, as that means the game is running in real-time from a ROM chip, meaning more accurate timings, better audio accuracy/quality, save-states for cores on MiSTer that don't have it like the Mega-Drive and SNES cores for instance, optical-drive emulation for redbook audio, you can use your saves on multiple systems and continue on your game elsewhere, so flashcarts like the latest Everdrives would bring a lot of functionality to MiSTer, or you could build a collection of the really high quality repros of 8/16-Bit games available now without needing a second mortgage on your home, sadly it doesn't have enough resources to implement afaik on the current DE10 Nano MiSTer hardware.
I hope MiSTer 2.0 comes with an optical drive, so we can use both authentic game disc, but also can buy and build an awsome repro disc collection for it, you could have awsome game compilations like the original Sonic 1/2/3/CD complete with artwork and a manual and a CD soundtrack, SNES repro games on disc with MSU-1 MIDI or tracker soundtracks, a disc repro of Mario Allstars with the updated MIDI soundtracks, they could include quality of life updates on these repro releases, HQ PCM audio made from MIDI 2.0 recordings, really enriching the whole FPGA experience, and who knows, perhaps real publishers could get in like Evercade, SuperRare, you could even have some really fancy physical releases of decomped games, translated games and fan releases like the Christian Whitehead Sonic games, not to mention Indies and homebrew, demo discs could be a thing again (lol).
Of course only commercially abandoned games could be legally released, that is until a licence agreement was made, but if FPGA gets big enough to make commercial reprints and compilations worthwhile, it would be really dope to see, and mean you don't have to spend £200 on rare games any more if you want to own a physical release, plus physical is a big part of what makes these old consoles and games so special, I think you lose too much when it all becomes just a list of games to choose from, rather than picking something of the shelf that catches your eye.
Dreamcast and NAOMI FPGA is the dream......cast!
Cheesiest thing in Wisconsin is your comments
Mission accomplished.
They should have called this Uranus.
I’d buy that for a dollar
I'm very interested in a Dreamcast core. Unfortunately, Dreamcast has a couple of problems with my favourite games (the CPS2 and 3 ports). There's dithering at the middle of the screen on the RGB and VGA signal that I just can't remove. It happens with Tink4K using the DCDIGITAL mod and with the expensive retrogamingcables RGB cable. Also, the scaling backgrounds because the resolution is wrong. Emulators have both these problems completely fixed running at 4K. I don't know how. I hope it's possible with FPGA.
It’s not perfect but I still love it
@@VideoGameEsoterica
Yes, I just played one and tbh the problems are perfectly acceptable and minor. How I feel about them does vary quite a bit. Something as simple as my glasses not being perfectly clear influenced me to think they were just so-so. Today, with clean glasses (cleaned with clean microfiber cloths) Super Street Fighter IIX looked awesome and like a CPS2 board.
Haha that’ll happen
Dreamcast video RAMDAC quality is immaculate via the official 24-Bit VGA, no pixel-clock issues or dithering at all, on a CRT monitor, that super-sampled 240p & 480p image quality is the best I have ever seen from an analogue video signal, the Xbox 360 VGA is runner-up, as though it has higher max resolution, it is definitely missing some of the colour volume of the Dreamcast official VGA box, neither does the 360 have super-sampled rendering like the DC, there are way to get the 360's 16-235 colour-scale looking as good as the Dreamcast's 0-255 colour scale, using an RGB video post processor, you can increase colour luminance, saturation and colour volume to match the DC's native rich colours, you also have digital colour vibrancy RGB modulators from Sony, which can upsample/transcode the colour gamut of any RGBS or RGBHV or YPbPr signal to SMPTE-C et cetera.
I also love how 240p looks on the DC, that immaculate RGB fidelity but with scanlines intact is beautiful, if only 384p was an option too, which offers the perfect middle ground between 240p & 480p.
No dreamcast demo means they are trolling. They probably saved some OLD Mister cores and made a front-end with the SuperSega stamp on it to work with them.
Anything is possible. I wouldn’t have shown footage this way. Just show me a tv on a table with nothing else on it but the FPGA board. That’s what I want
At best, they’re stalling in hopes of getting some preorders and investment money so they can use that for development. At worst, they’ll try to pull a fast one and we’ll hear about how they had this perfect FPGA core but realized Flycast is much better somehow.
@@devilmingy Not only that, but the only thing that SuperSega is is offering is a Dreamcast core...meaning no model 1, 2, or 3. Or anything else of value. This screams scam a mile away.
@@Kadamose I imagine the reason we don’t see any arcade support is because they’re going after physical collectors, and creating a hookup for the arcade boards or rom chips is even more technically unfeasible than their MSPaint mockup already is.
Yeah def not easy to strap a rom board to an FPGA board. Although damn it now I want to see that
Like you say, they should’ve set up a camera showing the set up. Mind you, this has already become more tangible than I expected with this update.
IMO nothing is tangible til we see hardware
@@VideoGameEsoterica very true
Are you going to cover the Neptune GF1 fpga project by Gamescare?
Yep. Monday or Tuesday
Are there any popular skilled hardware devs from brazil in the retro scene? It seems like most of the stuff I saw announced from there growing up ended up either being vaporware or a prank.
Seems like the Neptune team may have something going on. Vid on that next week
@@VideoGameEsoterica Looking forward to it
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Can we consider Jotego in this group of people?
Huh?
It's possible that they don't have any board at all, just unrelated demo videos of how they want it to be. Is is possible that they can just fit a Mister FPGA preset to launch like that?
Honestly it could be anything at this point
Cant confirm hardware but they have officially Shown MORE than MARS Have. Thus this actually has a chance.
Until we see hardware I put everyone on the same playing field. Which kind of means Neptune FPGA is in the lead (vid on that soon)
That's not true though is it, I'm not a fan of MARS or the way they have gone about things, but they do have actual reputable people working on the project with proven track records, known FPGA engineers and devs, this in itself is tangible proof that at least lends some credibility, the SuperSEGA on the other hand has a novice pilot with supposedly some engineering background but nothing related to FPGA or vid game development as a whole, neither do any of the others have any background in anything remotely relatable, and now they are supposedly posting proof for their supposed FPGA project, that imo has only given more weight against it, not for it.
The experience is super thin on the SuperSega side
And both of these products make me question who would go for them over a MISTER setup or a sleek Analogue offering. Per the Early Worm effect, even if these guys do have a magical Dreamcast core that can read GDROM discs, it’d only be a matter of time before MISTER gets a similar if not better core of its own.
Not working correctly sounds real nice 🎉🎉🎉
I have faith especially for MasterSystem since Brazil loved that system.
Since they attempt to demonstrate Saturn they probably will focus on that one too.
Dreamcast will be the real deal here and while I have no clue about what they do for the FPGA replication (can't say emulation as this wouldn't do it justice) side of things, some Bluray drives actually allow using modified firmware to read GD-ROMs like the BW-16D1HT from ASUS as far as I know.
Seeing how they pull it off will be interesting indeed.
On a side note, no matter if the project will be successful or not, I really dislike the current shape of their system if that's what it is supposed to look like :,D
I think everyone dislikes the shape. I haven’t heard one positive yet
@@VideoGameEsoterica whether it is good or bad, it actually reminds me of the MasterSystem 1 with raided tops.
It’s def inspired by that
If you or pixel cherry ninja decide to get this, I would like to base my decision on your guys reviews
I’ll get it if it goes up for sale. If it goes up for crowdfunding I’m out
@@VideoGameEsotericayeah true
@@VideoGameEsoterica agree
If they can prove it runs Dreamcast and they are shipping I’ll put the money up but only then. I’m concerned this is going to be a “see the prototype? Now we need money to produce it” deal
@@VideoGameEsotericaI agree 💯.hey VGE do you know if the clone mister is being sold on the market
Not much of a demo there. That could be anything man, playing off a emulator on a computer whatever
Yes that’s the issue with a demo like this. Can’t say for certainty what it is
and so it begins....
The question is…what? Why couldn’t they just show the hardware
Is there any reason to use this instead of a MiSTer?
@@RetroRockGamer Dreamcast
Only if they have a Dreamcast core
@@rkeith7766 does it actually play dreamcast?
The new amico 😂
Lol maybe
Kirk. ... spaceship approching...
Haha
I'll be generous and give this a 3/10 chance of turning into something worth having. If they were smart they would have started work on the Dreamcast core first and only announced the project after they had any signs of life of Dreamcast functionality. I expect what they'll do instead is work on the easier cores first and launch a crowdfunder before the Dreamcast core is ready.
You would think they’d lead with the one core that doesn’t exist yet
@VideoGameEsoterica Yeah exactly. Even if they started small they could build up some hype. For example, if they had a software emulator that used FPGA implementations of the GD-ROM controller and sound chip, that'd be a substantial step in the right direction.
Well they set that Sept/Oct date so at least we know when we should see hardware
@VideoGameEsoterica True, but I'm not holding out much hope even for that, maybe we get a 3D render of the case instead, we'll have to wait and see.
No GameGear cartridge slot? What gives?
🤷🏻♂️
If they were thinking, they would’ve put a game gear slot instead of a master system one, and then use the power base converter for SMS.
I think if they are specializing in SEGA, then having some specific ASICs will help a ton wrt Saturn and dreamcast.
Personally, I’d prefer enough FPGA oomph (plus fast, low latency memory) and something like openFPGA (as on the pocket) so that 3rd party cores can make use of my hardware investment.
„wasting“ it on Sega alone feels wrong. Makes me hope pregnant Arnie becomes a reality.
Lol pregnant Arnie. People love him
@@VideoGameEsoterica I refuse to think of it as anything else!
As you should!
Dreamcast FPGA will be out when MARS comes out next week.
MARS needs to show something soon
@@VideoGameEsoterica I seen the Too Many Games convention presentation. It was all technical information that I doubt anyone there even comprehended.
It did go very in depth. Which I am entertained by but I get the average viewer may not (not in an egotistical way. I just love some tech details)
Sucks, supersega will need the 32x add-on.
If it ships in its current case design and you pop a 32x on top it’s gonna be quite the shape
They shouldn't have released any footage until Dreamcast was ready. Immediately gives them less credibility
I don’t care they didn’t show Dreamcast yet. I do care it’s a video of a capture of…what exactly?
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The first numbered comment. Someone listened!
@@VideoGameEsoterica 😆
Their showings and hype pitch are very smoke and mirrors. Getting some polymega vibes out of this, with a dash of Intellivision Amico and Coleco Chameleon, where there’s an uncomfortable combination of big, ambitious ideas mixed in with nonsensical and spurious claims.
That’s not a good mix of references
@@VideoGameEsoterica you’re not wrong, but this is a community that has had snake oil salesman all through it for 10 years, so I think some cynicism is worth it whenever they open with marketing first and details “later”. They’re not telling me that they can put shovel knight on an eeprom cartridge or that they have a 2D video chip that can outclass the PS5 just yet, but the way they blew off the 32x hookup screams to me that they assumed they could just toss a 32x core on there and it’d play just like any other cartridge, and were shocked to discover that only Sega’s finest cokeheads in the 90s could’ve dreamt up the 32x hookup, and a Dreamcast core out of nowhere is just like the polymega saga, that conveniently never showed any real Saturn footage under after Mednafan started getting really good.
@@devilmingy The PolyMega was such a missed op, they got the physical hardware so spot on, it looks really beautifly designed, high quality materials, beautiful packaging, and then the software lets them down, imagine the PolyMega but with MiSTer FPGA cores instead, I'd of brought that right quick, if the Poly team does manage to finally release an FPGA base that works with their modules, I'd be first to buy, and I'm keeping an eye on their upcoming PC X86 based PloyMega Frontend, as it may be great to use with MiSTerCast, something the team should think about implementing in an official capacity to their kernal, as if's it a native part of the code, they can get it running with MiSTer with very low latency, could be a great way to play 6/7th gen games through your MiSTer setup
Form follows function but for Polymega function took a back seat to form
@@VideoGameEsoterica and they loved their buzzwords right up until they realized FPGAs are, like, hard and stuff. Then they had to sell everyone on emulators being so much better, and even then faking it with arcade footage of Daytona USA passed off as Saturn (an honest mistake anybody could make, assuredly)
You said every plays every single Sega Genesis game in one way or another and I was thinking don't we have that already? And you said GDEMU for the GD-ROM drive.
Common mistake me saying GD emu haha