It always makes me shake my head seeing the operation times relative to the actual use time on these old decks. So many just sat on ALL THE TIME! Heck, that was just typical in so many stations and suites. But I always tried to make an effort to switch them off when not in use. At least off overnight.
The Parallel connector typically allowed for GPIO closing-contact type control of the deck. So you could literally stick some pushbuttons in a box, wire them to the connector and have simple remote control of record/play/stop etc. Some decks would even provide outputs for indicating servo lock etc, so you could put an LED indicator on your remote control box to show when the machine was at speed. Whereas the 25 way serial RS-232 connector was used for similar simple control of deck functions from a computer or microcontroller. Most broadcast kit (automation systems or edit controllers) would happily use the 9pin control that was pretty much standard across all manufacturers.
Remembering back to my college days, we had a DVCPRO based editing setup, they had adapters to allow us to use tapes shot on the Canon XL-1's we had, there where two adapters one that allowed the DVCPRO deck to record onto a DV tape and another which only allowed playback. The entire system was a mess, as all the decks used analog I/O then a Sony Media converter box to redigitize the signal for importing into the Avid Express systems. In the studio, they had two DPCPRO-50 decks for playback of tapes and recording of shows done in the studio, but you had to remember to switch them to DVCPRO-25 if you wanted to then edit things further on the Avid systems, BUT those DVCPRO-50 decks could NOT play back small DV tapes even with an adapter (even though the DVCPRO-25 and DVCPRO-50 decks where the same series and form factor). DVCPRo was just a mess all the way around with all the different tape sizes, bit formats, and various incompatibilities. And here in the US NBC went with the DVCAM system after they already had an even worse system from Panasonic MII... WHY!
Parallel might refer to parallel remotes which essentially send button presses to the VCR. Those were popular in the early days and I think I have an early U-Matic that has a socket for it. It is also used by many models of Grundig V2000 and VHS (Victor Helical Scan, a Japaneese system by JVC) recorders as a remote input. I think the typical professional version was called "36 Pin" or something.
That implies that they may have used the same VFD on an HD model. Or perhaps then intended to but never did. The VFD on my HD1700 is a generic all matrix type display.
Where does one get one of those MiniDV cassette tape adapters? I have searched all over eBay US and found nothing. :( My player only uses the larger DVC tapes. But I have some MiniDV tapes I want to be able to view.
I got one on eBay, there are two model numbers but I don't know what the difference is, if any. Note that some DVCPRO machines can't play miniDV tapes even with an adaptor. What I'm not certain about is whether DVCPRO machines can record onto miniDV but I think they cannot.
@@video99couk I saw an adapter for sale on eBay. Far too expensive for my liking. I can get a whole new player for that price. I guess I will just stick with using DVPRO tapes in it for now. Very impressed with the video quality - especially for this era of equipment.
Wow. Interesting. A fully-functional DVCPro-50 videocassette recorder without any issues (especially those leaky surface-mount electrolitic SMD caps leaking on one of the boards) whatsoever. Yes. I said just that. A fully-functional Panasonic AJ-SD965 videocassette recorder. I've never seen such a thing like a fully functional DVCPro-50 recorder before. I've only seen one of the DVCPro-HD variety, that being the Panasonic AJ-HD1700, modeled after the AJ-SD965.
I have two DVPRO-50 machines which are good players/recorders (one has an analogue input fault I suspect, but who needs that) and a DVCPRO-HD too. Hopefully all three will keep going.
CAN YOU HELP? I need advice on what used miniDV deck I should seek and buy on eBay. I have 30 miniDV tapes from 20 years ago that I want to digitize. A regular Sony camcorder I have shows they all have lots of glitches (blocky video artifacts, sound chirps and cutouts. Etc). I’m hoping there’s a used affordable system out there than can help clean this up by a lot. Something. With FireWire in obviously. CAN YOU HELP?
I think that’s the same machine that I have, if so then it will play consumer tapes in DV format, but not ones recorded in long play mode, which my DVCAM machine will. My one does record and play in NTSC, but has to be switched manually.
It would be nice to know which Pinnacle Studio version works with DVCPRO (4:1:1). It would be even better for everyone to know which latest version worked with DVCPRO and can be installed offline, since Pinnacle was 100% uncooperative with my used version 22. Postscript: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 12 was already released by AVID, and can therefore DVCPRO although it was previously assigned more to consumers.
@@video99couk Hey there! I also have a working DVCPro50 deck, but it isn't allowing me to capture with Adobe Premiere or any other software on Windows 10. I attempted to download the latest Pinnacle Studio version with the same result. Any idea of Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate works with Windows 10? If so, I'll buy a copy online and see if I can get that to work. So far I have found no solution to capture DVCPro via firewire on a Windows 10 machine. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
You got a very good deal. Wish there is such a techbid website in the USA. This machine sold on ebay for $1000 recently. What capture card, codec and file format/container do you use when you capture via SDI on the computer?
I use a Blackmagic Decklink Mini Recorder card and the Media Express software which came with it. Often I capture in 10 bit YUV avi files, unless a customer requests something different. If a customer only requires DV-AVI files then I will downconvert with the ADVC1000.
@@rsuryase DVCPRO 50 would be double the size of DV. As far as I know it is not possible to extract data in this format. The DVCPRO socket can output in native DVCPRO 25 data stream but I don't know what, if any, software could capture that directly.
can you please put up a video of absolute prescribe audio fidelity dynamics and response like incorporating professional hi8 VIDEO8 digital 8 beta max superbeta hihi S-VHS HiFi betacam SP SX (but all non-PCM or bitstream encoding) analog with AFM linear magnetic or depth multiplexing please?!
I had a Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6.0, it featured a Rs.422/ 233 remote control ,in Premiere we call it Vasca? if your editing machine has those protocol connection to your CPU motherboard.
Some of my PCs do still have RS232, and some of my video recorders including DigiBeta support it, but really it's a lot of trouble to set up for very little gain.
These machines can even play back DVCAM tapes, to allow that the playback mode must be altered in the menu before inserting the tape, otherwise the vtr will consider the loaded tape as a regular dv or DVCPRO depending on the tape size😉
Just tried it, the machine played a DVCAM tape properly without any menu setting. But you are right, some older models you did used to have to tell it whether you are playing DVCPRO or DVCAM, it couldn't auto-detect the recording format. My HD1700 also correctly plays DVCAM without being told to.
Nice machine! Did Panasonic iron out problems from the earlier DVCPRO decks I wonder? Buyers Premium that auctions add to the hammer price has always been a big peeve of mine, it should be banned by law or limited to say 10%, and the seller should bear the commission.
Excellent video! I just got a lower-end deck, the AJ-SD930. Mine also has 1394 output. For some reason, I can capture DVCAM tapes fine in Premiere or Scenalyzer Live. However, when I try to capture a DVCPRO 50 tape, the software doesn't detect it. I get a message in Premiere saying "Can't Activate Recorder." If I can't get this to work, I might just capture from SDI or the analog outs. *sigh*
I think that's a common problem, because DVCPRO does not the same codec as DVCAM and the data stream is different. Some later DVCPRO decks like the SD965 can transcode to a DVCAM stream. An AD-VC1000 would convert from SDI to regular DV.
Hey, great channel, thank you for making these. I'm thinking of buying a Panasonic AJ-HD1400P HD, but I have no idea if it will work with my minidv tapes from my Panasonic DVX100 which uses DVCPRO and not DVCPROHD. Any advice would be appreciated.
Take the better Panasonic AJ-HD1400P is a really worthwhile device, it will read all formats DVCPROHD, DVCPRO50, DVCPRO, DVCAM, DV, Mini DV, unlike DVCPRO50
Pinnacle Studio from 7 to 10 is okay, remarkablely it can capture/convert your analog signals into DV 5:1 real-time no need to convert. That's why I look for those ATI Theater chipset among PCI -gpu cards that has 9-pin DIN video in/out VIVO configuration. Other non-linear software don't have that quality. Just set it to the format you wish . I haven't try capturing 4k formats , especially latest Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 25 which is an almost direct clone to Davinci Resolve 17. Today's finished product is done in minium of 4gb. to 2-Terrabytes USB flash drives.
I do a lot of DV video capture with Pinnacle Studio 12. I also have version 17 of that but don't use it any more. DaVinci Resolve is my go-to software for 4k editing.
@@video99couk I just repaired my new AJ-D250 (stuck grease on the reel shifting mechanics, plus several follow-up problems, no capacitor problems yet) and also tried Firewire - the reason why i bought it at all. I found out that deck control from the capture software (dvgrab command line tool on Linux in my case) only works if it's switched from local to remote control. In addition, in the control settings, it has to be set to "DIF" (which is the FW option card) instead of RS-232. Maybe your deck has similar settings to make remote control work?
Never used this particular machine but previous models of DVC pro were absolute junk, as you say, well known for capacitor issues, and then mech issues. We junked all of them, accept the AJ-D950, which was a 50mb model. It’s worth knowing that the Sony DSR-1500p (and some other Sony models) plays back DVC pro 25mb tapes perfectly fine and much more reliable.
Yes some DVCAM decks play DVCPRO, but only the larger tape size. They can't accept the smaller size (which is about the same size as an 8mm tape). Agreed, DVCPRO is generally a disaster.
hi had the same software went to sony 12 as it loves my pci-e video card and i like all the easy to use tool in sony 12 i am all ways buying tec there's a lot on there if you have room i have to go all the uk to pick up decks
hi i know it's funny decks with low hr's do turn up not alot i picked up a betacam sp 1800 with 18 hrs head drum some place went under i was told and deck was put away in a lock up i do hear of decks i don't buy any more as i am running out of space there's alot of decks out there video fans it's a lotto
As a machine becomes more complex with logic/switching, it's more likely to have complicated interconnected faults. Or in my english, it's a rats nest of linked circuits just waiting to cause hell lol :-D Oh i don't have a machine or internet service that can cope with 4k, so i can't answer your question without bias. Your wife is wrong, you don't have enough videos to build a house with, so keep buying :) You make money off your handy multiformat pro machines, even youtube may help for customers finding your service. I don't see any problem lol. Dump a few sacrificial ones, just to keep the peace :)
7:20 Never underestimate the ability of large organizations to waste money. Any indication of who actually owned this before? The 35,000 hours may include standby which is more reasonable if this was sitting in a rack for years.
I like to have more than one machine for every format where possible, otherwise I get very stressed when there is a breakdown! Also, it can help if a customer has a number of tapes, I can run multiple at once so get the work turned around faster.
@@video99couk It is also correct so as not to wear out the more expensive standard of the VCR, but I choose several VCRs so as not to take up much space Sony J-30SDI, Panasonic AJ-HD1400, Sony GV-D800, Philips VR-20D, Sony HVR-1500
It always makes me shake my head seeing the operation times relative to the actual use time on these old decks. So many just sat on ALL THE TIME! Heck, that was just typical in so many stations and suites. But I always tried to make an effort to switch them off when not in use. At least off overnight.
The Parallel connector typically allowed for GPIO closing-contact type control of the deck. So you could literally stick some pushbuttons in a box, wire them to the connector and have simple remote control of record/play/stop etc. Some decks would even provide outputs for indicating servo lock etc, so you could put an LED indicator on your remote control box to show when the machine was at speed.
Whereas the 25 way serial RS-232 connector was used for similar simple control of deck functions from a computer or microcontroller. Most broadcast kit (automation systems or edit controllers) would happily use the 9pin control that was pretty much standard across all manufacturers.
You can never have too many VCRs!
Remembering back to my college days, we had a DVCPRO based editing setup, they had adapters to allow us to use tapes shot on the Canon XL-1's we had, there where two adapters one that allowed the DVCPRO deck to record onto a DV tape and another which only allowed playback.
The entire system was a mess, as all the decks used analog I/O then a Sony Media converter box to redigitize the signal for importing into the Avid Express systems. In the studio, they had two DPCPRO-50 decks for playback of tapes and recording of shows done in the studio, but you had to remember to switch them to DVCPRO-25 if you wanted to then edit things further on the Avid systems, BUT those DVCPRO-50 decks could NOT play back small DV tapes even with an adapter (even though the DVCPRO-25 and DVCPRO-50 decks where the same series and form factor).
DVCPRo was just a mess all the way around with all the different tape sizes, bit formats, and various incompatibilities. And here in the US NBC went with the DVCAM system after they already had an even worse system from Panasonic MII... WHY!
Panasonic M2, I remember I was using Digital U-Matic or D1 , we had also M2s with it's adapter. But that was 22-years ago.
Parallel might refer to parallel remotes which essentially send button presses to the VCR. Those were popular in the early days and I think I have an early U-Matic that has a socket for it. It is also used by many models of Grundig V2000 and VHS (Victor Helical Scan, a Japaneese system by JVC) recorders as a remote input. I think the typical professional version was called "36 Pin" or something.
I think you are right, it's just a simple set of switches to operate the deck functions.
i had to get a betacam SP deck for a project, coz the satellite broadcaster in question was still using that format on their OB trucks....
Got one of those adapters recently, always handy to have another MiniDV player.
They are not particularly easy to find at a sensible price.
I noticed that there is an HD icon on the VFD, wonder if it can be upgraded to HD?
That implies that they may have used the same VFD on an HD model. Or perhaps then intended to but never did. The VFD on my HD1700 is a generic all matrix type display.
Where does one get one of those MiniDV cassette tape adapters? I have searched all over eBay US and found nothing. :( My player only uses the larger DVC tapes. But I have some MiniDV tapes I want to be able to view.
I got one on eBay, there are two model numbers but I don't know what the difference is, if any. Note that some DVCPRO machines can't play miniDV tapes even with an adaptor. What I'm not certain about is whether DVCPRO machines can record onto miniDV but I think they cannot.
@@video99couk I saw an adapter for sale on eBay. Far too expensive for my liking. I can get a whole new player for that price. I guess I will just stick with using DVPRO tapes in it for now. Very impressed with the video quality - especially for this era of equipment.
Wow. Interesting. A fully-functional DVCPro-50 videocassette recorder without any issues (especially those leaky surface-mount electrolitic SMD caps leaking on one of the boards) whatsoever. Yes. I said just that. A fully-functional Panasonic AJ-SD965 videocassette recorder. I've never seen such a thing like a fully functional DVCPro-50 recorder before. I've only seen one of the DVCPro-HD variety, that being the Panasonic AJ-HD1700, modeled after the AJ-SD965.
I have two DVPRO-50 machines which are good players/recorders (one has an analogue input fault I suspect, but who needs that) and a DVCPRO-HD too. Hopefully all three will keep going.
@@video99couk Of course they will keep going.
i believe that the differences between 2 cassetes adapters is a chip that memorizes in/out points to edition later
Oh right, very interesting. I don't think my AJ-CS455P has a chip so it must be the other model which does.
CAN YOU HELP? I need advice on what used miniDV deck I should seek and buy on eBay. I have 30 miniDV tapes from 20 years ago that I want to digitize. A regular Sony camcorder I have shows they all have lots of glitches (blocky video artifacts, sound chirps and cutouts. Etc). I’m hoping there’s a used affordable system out there than can help clean this up by a lot. Something. With FireWire in obviously. CAN YOU HELP?
I think that’s the same machine that I have, if so then it will play consumer tapes in DV format, but not ones recorded in long play mode, which my DVCAM machine will. My one does record and play in NTSC, but has to be switched manually.
That's right, it won't play DV-LP. Most DVCAM decks won't either, they may try to but the video will usually have lots of errors.
It would be nice to know which Pinnacle Studio version works with DVCPRO (4:1:1). It would be even better for everyone to know which latest version worked with DVCPRO and can be installed offline, since Pinnacle was 100% uncooperative with my used version 22. Postscript: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 12 was already released by AVID, and can therefore DVCPRO although it was previously assigned more to consumers.
I use Pinnacle Studio version 12 Ultimate with DVCPRO.
@@video99couk Hey there! I also have a working DVCPro50 deck, but it isn't allowing me to capture with Adobe Premiere or any other software on Windows 10. I attempted to download the latest Pinnacle Studio version with the same result. Any idea of Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate works with Windows 10? If so, I'll buy a copy online and see if I can get that to work. So far I have found no solution to capture DVCPro via firewire on a Windows 10 machine. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
I'd love to find one of those cassette adapters. Hard to find but if you have ideas, please pass on to me. Thanks.
You got a very good deal. Wish there is such a techbid website in the USA. This machine sold on ebay for $1000 recently. What capture card, codec and file format/container do you use when you capture via SDI on the computer?
I use a Blackmagic Decklink Mini Recorder card and the Media Express software which came with it. Often I capture in 10 bit YUV avi files, unless a customer requests something different. If a customer only requires DV-AVI files then I will downconvert with the ADVC1000.
@@video99couk Can you capture DVCPRO tapes using its native DVCPRO25/50 codec via firewire? I assume the AVI will be 2-4 times as big as regular DV.
@@rsuryase DVCPRO 50 would be double the size of DV. As far as I know it is not possible to extract data in this format. The DVCPRO socket can output in native DVCPRO 25 data stream but I don't know what, if any, software could capture that directly.
can you please put up a video of absolute prescribe audio fidelity dynamics and response like incorporating professional hi8 VIDEO8 digital 8 beta max superbeta hihi S-VHS HiFi betacam SP SX (but all non-PCM or bitstream encoding) analog with AFM linear magnetic or depth multiplexing please?!
I had a Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6.0, it featured a Rs.422/ 233 remote control ,in Premiere we call it Vasca? if your editing machine has those protocol connection to your CPU motherboard.
Some of my PCs do still have RS232, and some of my video recorders including DigiBeta support it, but really it's a lot of trouble to set up for very little gain.
These machines can even play back DVCAM tapes, to allow that the playback mode must be altered in the menu before inserting the tape, otherwise the vtr will consider the loaded tape as a regular dv or DVCPRO depending on the tape size😉
Just tried it, the machine played a DVCAM tape properly without any menu setting. But you are right, some older models you did used to have to tell it whether you are playing DVCPRO or DVCAM, it couldn't auto-detect the recording format. My HD1700 also correctly plays DVCAM without being told to.
Nice machine! Did Panasonic iron out problems from the earlier DVCPRO decks I wonder? Buyers Premium that auctions add to the hammer price has always been a big peeve of mine, it should be banned by law or limited to say 10%, and the seller should bear the commission.
I suspect that Panasonic was getting bad press about DVCPRO reliability and did improve things, but too late to save the format.
Excellent video! I just got a lower-end deck, the AJ-SD930. Mine also has 1394 output. For some reason, I can capture DVCAM tapes fine in Premiere or Scenalyzer Live. However, when I try to capture a DVCPRO 50 tape, the software doesn't detect it. I get a message in Premiere saying "Can't Activate Recorder." If I can't get this to work, I might just capture from SDI or the analog outs. *sigh*
I think that's a common problem, because DVCPRO does not the same codec as DVCAM and the data stream is different. Some later DVCPRO decks like the SD965 can transcode to a DVCAM stream. An AD-VC1000 would convert from SDI to regular DV.
@@video99couk I figured that might be the case, thanks.
I have the DVCPRO-25 version of you AJ-D950 which is the AJ-D750 I just installed the SDI option card in it, to be able to capture DVCPPRO digitally.
Hey, great channel, thank you for making these. I'm thinking of buying a Panasonic AJ-HD1400P HD, but I have no idea if it will work with my minidv tapes from my Panasonic DVX100 which uses DVCPRO and not DVCPROHD. Any advice would be appreciated.
Take the better Panasonic AJ-HD1400P is a really worthwhile device, it will read all formats DVCPROHD, DVCPRO50, DVCPRO, DVCAM, DV, Mini DV, unlike
DVCPRO50
Pinnacle Studio from 7 to 10 is okay, remarkablely it can capture/convert your analog signals into DV 5:1 real-time no need to convert. That's why I look for those ATI Theater chipset among PCI -gpu cards that has 9-pin DIN video in/out VIVO configuration. Other non-linear software don't have that quality. Just set it to the format you wish . I haven't try capturing 4k formats , especially latest Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 25 which is an almost direct clone to Davinci Resolve 17. Today's finished product is done in minium of 4gb. to 2-Terrabytes USB flash drives.
I do a lot of DV video capture with Pinnacle Studio 12. I also have version 17 of that but don't use it any more. DaVinci Resolve is my go-to software for 4k editing.
Have you tried to control the deck from the capture application?
The START CAPTURE normally starts the deck, so I'm assuming it doesn't work, but I will try the other deck functions shortly.
@@video99couk I just repaired my new AJ-D250 (stuck grease on the reel shifting mechanics, plus several follow-up problems, no capacitor problems yet) and also tried Firewire - the reason why i bought it at all. I found out that deck control from the capture software (dvgrab command line tool on Linux in my case) only works if it's switched from local to remote control. In addition, in the control settings, it has to be set to "DIF" (which is the FW option card) instead of RS-232.
Maybe your deck has similar settings to make remote control work?
Never used this particular machine but previous models of DVC pro were absolute junk, as you say, well known for capacitor issues, and then mech issues. We junked all of them, accept the AJ-D950, which was a 50mb model. It’s worth knowing that the Sony DSR-1500p (and some other Sony models) plays back DVC pro 25mb tapes perfectly fine and much more reliable.
Yes some DVCAM decks play DVCPRO, but only the larger tape size. They can't accept the smaller size (which is about the same size as an 8mm tape). Agreed, DVCPRO is generally a disaster.
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hi had the same software went to sony 12 as it loves my pci-e video card and i like all the easy to use tool in sony 12 i am all ways buying tec
there's a lot on there if you have room i have to go all the uk to pick up decks
Top!
I finished watching your video in 480p only for you to tell me it was available in 4K. Go figure🤔
hi i know it's funny decks with low hr's do turn up not alot i picked up a betacam sp 1800 with 18 hrs head drum
some place went under i was told and deck was put away in a lock up
i do hear of decks i don't buy any more as i am running out of space there's alot of decks out there video fans
it's a lotto
As a machine becomes more complex with logic/switching, it's more likely to have complicated interconnected faults.
Or in my english, it's a rats nest of linked circuits just waiting to cause hell lol :-D
Oh i don't have a machine or internet service that can cope with 4k, so i can't answer your question without bias.
Your wife is wrong, you don't have enough videos to build a house with, so keep buying :)
You make money off your handy multiformat pro machines, even youtube may help for customers finding your service.
I don't see any problem lol.
Dump a few sacrificial ones, just to keep the peace :)
Now and then I do part with a video recorder, to show willing.
7:20 Never underestimate the ability of large organizations to waste money. Any indication of who actually owned this before?
The 35,000 hours may include standby which is more reasonable if this was sitting in a rack for years.
Who else needs this shit if you already take Panasonic AJ-HD1400P like this, it loses all formats DVCPROHD, DVCPRO50, DVCPRO, DVCAM, DV, Mini DV
I like to have more than one machine for every format where possible, otherwise I get very stressed when there is a breakdown! Also, it can help if a customer has a number of tapes, I can run multiple at once so get the work turned around faster.
@@video99couk It is also correct so as not to wear out the more expensive standard of the VCR, but I choose several VCRs so as not to take up much space
Sony J-30SDI, Panasonic AJ-HD1400, Sony GV-D800, Philips VR-20D, Sony HVR-1500
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