I was really skeptical of the way the cannon fire gutted such massive planes, then I found that the planes were supposed to be armed with quad MK 108s. Holy shit.
@Fishyyy, these alternate reality missions are actually really interesting, especially as we finally see encounters between 1946 birds. Keep them coming, please! :)
I really liked the inclusion of the 'radio chatter' between you four. Any chance there will be more videos with it or will it be an occasional occurrence?
@@firepower7017 What? You mean like white noise? On occasion, yes I use white noise to help me sleep, but it's not an everyday thing. I personally liked the chatter because it makes the mission seem more lively instead of the bland radio chatter the AI use.
Good to see some "alt hist" stuff from Fishyyy. Interesting demonstration of different styles: high angle lateral attacks (more safe) vs approaching from dead six in the midst of gunner's fire. And various usage of X-4. I wonder what was that mysterious Soviet jet at the end - MiG-9?
It's interesting how few people understand the concept of doing a countdown for an action. If you count down 3 - 2 - 1 - Go! it's perfectly understandable when to go but if you do 3 - 2 - 1Go! it's pointless to do a countdown at all.
I always upvote Huckebein the Raven I'm also imagining this as some weird alternate reality where the allies decided to allow Karl Donitz' government to remain in power in West Germany after the war in order to serve as a buffer against the Soviet Union, which has now caused the famously paranoid Stalin to kick off World War III in the late 1940's. Granted the swastikas on the Ta-183's kinda discredit this idea, but I still like it.
Look up the DeHavilland DH108 the DH Swallow. Every one of them crashed from structural failure caused by insufficient lateral stability, using the rudder at high speed was death sentence.
This one has an extended tail. It looks fat because it’s tail design is unconventional. Ta 183v3 has a conventional tail and the whole plane looks much slimmer, but the it is otherwise the same plane.
Short fuselage yes, that's why the tailwing lean back so drastically and the rear wing mounted there to give an offset tail. Structural failure was not just an rare accident but came optional. Metal fatigue was not understood at the time. Then again fighting aircraft was never designed for a long duration, most would be shot down to fast to develop metal fatigue Just like in this mission, they killed a heck of a number of enemy aircraft but all 4 Huckabees were lost in the end.
38:53 ''Oh'' *Sound of destruction* ''The gear's gone'' *Sliding across the ground everything's breaking* ''Alright, well hello.'' *Does 3 more spins whilst still sliding*
I've been playing this game for a rather long time and I'm having some issues with the Ta-183. I seem to be unable to get a half decent rate of climb or regain airspeed while flying level despite pushing my engine to its limit. Is there something about the Ta-183 that I am unaware of?
It's not your fault, the Ta-183's flight model just makes it real bad. We actually flew this with engine overheat disabled, so the performance wouldn't suck so much :/
I had more luck controlling the speed and climb with the stick and not the throttle. But using the same tactic on any other jet makes them go even faster. I revisited the TA-183 and was still disappointed, even with a shit engine id expect it to go down hill really fast in a dive but even mustangs can catch up to it. Meanwhile the YP-80 can pull energy out of its ass. I wish someone made a mod for the TA-183 or even the P-1101 that gave the “correct performance” even though they are paper planes, well the TA-183 is.
Now this is a really cool video I love these are planes they're so cool you are such a great pilot and I hope I can be able to fly with you and against you one day whenever I finally get around to having a computer of my own I would like to see the P51 R based off of precious metal it has boosted engine performance and dual counter-rotating propellers it looks really cool and would love to see you do a mission taking down some FW 190s with it I would also like to see the Martin Baker 5 it was a fighter prototype that looked like a big P-51 with counter-rotating propellers would like to see some scenarios if it were finished and put into development I'd love to do this all myself but of course without a computer it's a little difficult I love your videos and keep up the good work
@@stanisawcwierkiewicz7569 the Russians overran the FW design and development centre capturing all of the drawings, data and wind tunnel models, MIG used it all to develop the MIG 15 during the late 40s, that's why the similar look.
Just curious. Maybe things have changed since my time as an aircraft mechanic in the air force; but are chocks not used against the wheels of the aircraft, while they are parked. They're not used prior to brake-release on the runway. They would have already been removed when the planes taxied out. Unless you're referring to chocks of a different sort?
It's just an IL-2 thing. Whenever you are at a complete halt, you can apply chocks, to completely remove any movement of your aircraft. It's handy to coordinate takeoffs in jets, which require a lot of time to "throttle" up. This way everyone can release chocks while at full power, to takeoff simultaniously.
Yes, it's a stroppy teenager with acne. But the patches and mods make it so much more than the original IL2:1946. It's still one of my favourites, even after IL2:BoS, DCS and X-plane 11. I get up to 255 fps on it, and it runs silky smooth without errors.
I'm thinking that if the war progressed to this point you'd have the Allies with aircraft with turbines and the Reich and co. with proper axial engined jet fighters.
1)Ta-183 was never supposed to be an interceptor or even a great fighter. Your role would basically be catch up to escort fighters, tie them up in a fight, wait for cavalry in the form of Me262 HG3 to arrive, watch them save your ass and finish the mission while taking all the glory 2)manual guided missiles were proven to be very ineffective due to pilot not having combination of Spider-man's reflexes/coordination and Luthor's brain. As well as lack of copilot and technological shortcomings on top:D Try rocket pods with proximity fuze rockets instead. 3)if the war continued then Allied technological cooperation did too. Those things would be escorted by Meteors/Shooting Star. Not to mention probably flying at night with use of automatic gun laying turrets and dropping guided bombs.
What like the xf 85 the problem is these jets are far larger then the xf 85 and the american one was designed to be dropped from a b 35 which is HUGE in comparison to the German bombers of the time. Also if you look at the design recovering/dropping them would be problematic. Not to mention the xf 85 was a death trap
yep i saw this and there iz no place for a hook to drop and retrieve with because of the huge tail,the american tail is split in 3 and small and they sat in the belly of the bomber,yes a few problems to be solved for the german one,but no doubt they would have found a way.
Skidz Holeshot wanna see somethin interestin that goes with what your sayin bout aircraft dropin other aircraft, look up the 'project c with project e concept fighter' , nazis are were crazy late war with designs
Ze Supreme Commandant is not impressed, He has given You four a choice, firing squad, or Fallschirmjager Special Op behind ze Eastern front. Great Show fishy.
But the SAAB J29 Tunnan (Tuna) was a successful trans-sonic design powered by a RR Goblin (?) engine. The Ta183 was a paper proposal, never built, and probably would have been a failure.
I always found the Ta183 had terrible handling. Much preferred the He162 or Me262. Even the Go229, even with it's terrible visibility. But nothing shreds heavy bombers like the D335 with the 2x37mm and more cannons.
It was only a concept drawing. I'm sure flight testing, even wind tunnel testing (and RLM had one of the World's most advanced wind tunnels) would probably have revealed what a pig it would have been. Look at it: No area ruling!)
The TA-183s look like kids of a Sabre and a MiG 15 that are size as ME-163...just look at it...Front and cockpit look like Sabre's,has the resemblance (looks) and wingspan of a MiG 15...
The censorship is absolutely ridiculous, especially here in Germany. Idk it's sort denying the past for something we today didn't do. Who will see the swastika and say " Hey cool. I want to be Nazi..."
Eric Busch Probably they don't want you to think Nazis are and some people really get pissed by seeing a swastika. Look at Battlefield V for example. That game is extremely politically changed to the extend, that not even in the campaign a swastika was seen. I agree with you, and I respect you as a German citizen. It's like trying to erase something that happened. It's part of your history, as bad as it might be. In the war there's no right or wrong.
You can say what you want but it was Kurt Tank original idea. I have heard that it was a German designer that made Mig15 And where did he got it from? Usually those that had the original idea gets the credits. Blueprints of Ta183 and Mig15 in an overlay gif 3.bp.blogspot.com/-ysVbTJkYI1o/Vxz7MoFTZvI/AAAAAAAAAlM/4uXZbZeV5088ZuFJ_7u4oNnNjuIgeidaQCLcB/s1600/Mig.gif
I was really skeptical of the way the cannon fire gutted such massive planes, then I found that the planes were supposed to be armed with quad MK 108s. Holy shit.
@Fishyyy, these alternate reality missions are actually really interesting, especially as we finally see encounters between 1946 birds. Keep them coming, please! :)
*Stalin wants to know your location*
Graustreif Brombeerkralle do I?
*Y O U G O T A H O L E I N Y O U R R I G H T W I N G*
Oops sorry wrong game
Its the left wing bro )
He doesn’t knows Temmie
he doesn’t know de way
34:19 MIG JUST ON THE CLOUDS GOT A LUCKY SHOT,GREAT VID.
I really liked the inclusion of the 'radio chatter' between you four. Any chance there will be more videos with it or will it be an occasional occurrence?
Tsundere_Gaming
I bet your those people who listens to sounds when sleeping. It's just an assumption so don't hunt me down and somewhat kill me?
@@firepower7017 What? You mean like white noise? On occasion, yes I use white noise to help me sleep, but it's not an everyday thing. I personally liked the chatter because it makes the mission seem more lively instead of the bland radio chatter the AI use.
@@stevegoesrogue You fool! You conversed with your enemy!
@@firepower7017😂😂
i wonder if this machine was inspirational to the MiG-15 designer
Naah, this is just a concept. Also MiG is too dofferent from this one.
Indeed it did. Many aspects of this plane were incorporated into the mig-15. All taken from captured blueprints.
The intake reminds me of the F86 Sabre and the j29
@@Paul_Sergeyev not really actually
Agreed it’s just too similar not to be right?
So glad to see people still playing this legend of a game
Good to see some "alt hist" stuff from Fishyyy.
Interesting demonstration of different styles: high angle lateral attacks (more safe) vs approaching from dead six in the midst of gunner's fire. And various usage of X-4.
I wonder what was that mysterious Soviet jet at the end - MiG-9?
it looked like one I think
And other version of the plane the la 15
What do you mean with "at the end"? I cannot find it.
@@martinmaier352 i think he means at 34:15 and 35:17
I remember the first time I took off in one of these in 2008. Crashed like brick.
Now THAT is epic
Nice flying. These X-4's could really use proximity fuses with a larger detection range
Irl they had a audio system that was tunned to the same frequency as B-17 engines. Don't know how they set up their X-4s though.
@@Raiders1917It measured the doppler shift in the sound waves coming from the B-17 to calculate the distance, essentially a sonar proximity fuse.
The one with the bullet holes in his canopy was taking some really risky lines lining up behind the bombers the way he was
These russkies flew into the *wrong goddamn airspace* >:V
in real life, these "russkies" shot down a handful of b-29s.
@@MomentalnoVMore Ta-183s are not russian mate
@@TonyKito
don't make my grandmother laugh. ta-183 was not produced by anyone at all. this is a paper plane. ^_^
@@MomentalnoVMore weird flex but ok
@@MomentalnoVMore what's your point
I wish your flight had unique aircraft markings so I could scold whomever kept making stern attacks. Though, I suspect it was Tony.
Well, every attack has a bookmark, so go and find out :D
It's interesting how few people understand the concept of doing a countdown for an action.
If you count down 3 - 2 - 1 - Go! it's perfectly understandable when to go but if you do 3 - 2 - 1Go! it's pointless to do a countdown at all.
Cyan punctuation is important
Man, i didn't even know people played Multiplayer in this before!
32:18 kind of friendly fire shooting from that angle, isn't it?
I always upvote Huckebein the Raven
I'm also imagining this as some weird alternate reality where the allies decided to allow Karl Donitz' government to remain in power in West Germany after the war in order to serve as a buffer against the Soviet Union, which has now caused the famously paranoid Stalin to kick off World War III in the late 1940's. Granted the swastikas on the Ta-183's kinda discredit this idea, but I still like it.
Those 183's with such short fuselages would have most probably been a right pain to keep straight in flight!
Look up the DeHavilland DH108 the DH Swallow. Every one of them crashed from structural failure caused by insufficient lateral stability, using the rudder at high speed was death sentence.
This one has an extended tail. It looks fat because it’s tail design is unconventional. Ta 183v3 has a conventional tail and the whole plane looks much slimmer, but the it is otherwise the same plane.
Short fuselage yes, that's why the tailwing lean back so drastically and the rear wing mounted there to give an offset tail.
Structural failure was not just an rare accident but came optional. Metal fatigue was not understood at the time.
Then again fighting aircraft was never designed for a long duration, most would be shot down to fast to develop metal fatigue
Just like in this mission, they killed a heck of a number of enemy aircraft but all 4 Huckabees were lost in the end.
38:53 ''Oh'' *Sound of destruction* ''The gear's gone'' *Sliding across the ground everything's breaking* ''Alright, well hello.'' *Does 3 more spins whilst still sliding*
Blew the first TU4's horizontal stab and rudder clean off. Nice.
A long intercept for short-legged fuel-guzzling early jets.
Love the vid would love to see more of the talking
The Ta-183's nickname is Huckebein meaning "Hunchback" a raven in German folklore.
those Ta:s remind me a bit of the j29 "tunnan"
Håller med!
Great job sir, to you and your fellow pilots. Keep up the good work!👍🏻
I've been playing this game for a rather long time and I'm having some issues with the Ta-183. I seem to be unable to get a half decent rate of climb or regain airspeed while flying level despite pushing my engine to its limit. Is there something about the Ta-183 that I am unaware of?
It's not your fault, the Ta-183's flight model just makes it real bad. We actually flew this with engine overheat disabled, so the performance wouldn't suck so much :/
I had more luck controlling the speed and climb with the stick and not the throttle. But using the same tactic on any other jet makes them go even faster. I revisited the TA-183 and was still disappointed, even with a shit engine id expect it to go down hill really fast in a dive but even mustangs can catch up to it. Meanwhile the YP-80 can pull energy out of its ass. I wish someone made a mod for the TA-183 or even the P-1101 that gave the “correct performance” even though they are paper planes, well the TA-183 is.
Damn so high upyou can sea the map edge. Ive never flown that high in that game lol.
really nice landing attempt, sadly the gears gave up, but the pilot survived anyway.
good to see this game is still played got 3 versions of it steam gog and a boxed version ;)
Fantastic, thanks
Now this is a really cool video I love these are planes they're so cool you are such a great pilot and I hope I can be able to fly with you and against you one day whenever I finally get around to having a computer of my own I would like to see the P51 R based off of precious metal it has boosted engine performance and dual counter-rotating propellers it looks really cool and would love to see you do a mission taking down some FW 190s with it I would also like to see the Martin Baker 5 it was a fighter prototype that looked like a big P-51 with counter-rotating propellers would like to see some scenarios if it were finished and put into development I'd love to do this all myself but of course without a computer it's a little difficult I love your videos and keep up the good work
wow, first time I've ever seen anyone actually *hit* anything with the X-4...
It is pretty easy to get 75% hits with it assuning you attack large plane flying straight from rear or front
@@kubajackiewicz2 ...and assuming the AI is dumber than usual
39:10 Another happy landing 😂
Those were some really nice high angle gunshots
На ту 4 оборонительное вооружение стоят пушки 23 мм . При попадании одного снаряда в кабину пилот погибнет. Я авиатехник мне 66 лет
delicious Luftwaffels.
Ich habe die Ta-183 im Multiplayer geliebt, weil man mit ihr auf 100% Leistung bleiben konnte ohne die Triebwerke zu überhitzen.
I Like the Lutchwhafe☀️🇩🇪 and I love Germany☀️🇩🇪🦁, congratulations From Krangi singapore☀️🇸🇬
LOL look at these funny planes
They look like tiny mig's 15 ^^
@@stanisawcwierkiewicz7569 the Russians overran the FW design and development centre capturing all of the drawings, data and wind tunnel models, MIG used it all to develop the MIG 15 during the late 40s, that's why the similar look.
@@rodneypayne4827 a little bit of F86 Sabre design too ! :-)
@@stanisawcwierkiewicz7569 We have a similar last name :D
@@motorrebell
The other way around Ta-183 was first, the Sabre was designed with German engineers, after the war, with operation paperclip.
Please do more Ta-183 I love this airplane
B-29s and Tu-2s,Fishyy!
Next you can use the Mig-9 and the YP-80. There are many more in 1946.^^
Just curious. Maybe things have changed since my time as an aircraft mechanic in the air force; but are chocks not used against the wheels of the aircraft, while they are parked. They're not used prior to brake-release on the runway. They would have already been removed when the planes taxied out.
Unless you're referring to chocks of a different sort?
It's just an IL-2 thing. Whenever you are at a complete halt, you can apply chocks, to completely remove any movement of your aircraft. It's handy to coordinate takeoffs in jets, which require a lot of time to "throttle" up. This way everyone can release chocks while at full power, to takeoff simultaniously.
Looks like a stunted version of the F-84 Saber....lol
This game is 13 years old wow
Yes, it's a stroppy teenager with acne. But the patches and mods make it so much more than the original IL2:1946. It's still one of my favourites, even after IL2:BoS, DCS and X-plane 11. I get up to 255 fps on it, and it runs silky smooth without errors.
I'm thinking that if the war progressed to this point you'd have the Allies with aircraft with turbines and the Reich and co. with proper axial engined jet fighters.
And Berlin would probably be a crater from atomic bombs
Chocks are gone when you left the pad. Release BRAKE on my mark
I know what a tu4 is but WHAT. ARE YOU FLYING
A Ta-183 this plane was actually planned by Nazi germany
It was a cool video I don’t get the dislikes, the Huckenbein is a good looking bird.
You will have ugly children
But where are X-4 proximity fuze? I remember that it had acoustic fuze in Il-2
X-4's proximity fuze detonated at only 23 feet and that was in optimal conditions.
How are they moving their heads in cockpits like this?
Track IR or Trackhat
1)Ta-183 was never supposed to be an interceptor or even a great fighter. Your role would basically be catch up to escort fighters, tie them up in a fight, wait for cavalry in the form of Me262 HG3 to arrive, watch them save your ass and finish the mission while taking all the glory
2)manual guided missiles were proven to be very ineffective due to pilot not having combination of Spider-man's reflexes/coordination and Luthor's brain. As well as lack of copilot and technological shortcomings on top:D Try rocket pods with proximity fuze rockets instead.
3)if the war continued then Allied technological cooperation did too. Those things would be escorted by Meteors/Shooting Star. Not to mention probably flying at night with use of automatic gun laying turrets and dropping guided bombs.
Add to the mix the DH Vampire and Hawker Seahawk
How are the missiles guided? Manual radio control?
wire
@@Fishyyy that would have been extraordinary difficult irl. Is it pretty hard on the sim?
One piece of data I could never find is how much ammo for the 30mm cannons the "Huckebein" would have carried. How much is it in the game?
do you know how to fix it, i cant launch il 2 1946 for some reason on steam
What kind of software do you use for head tracking ?
I use freetrackNoIr but i don't get such stable results
Nevermind, it's in the desc.
I love these alt history stuff
i thought these jets were also intended to be dropped from aircraft slung under the wings,like the americans developed from this jet?great vid
What like the xf 85 the problem is these jets are far larger then the xf 85 and the american one was designed to be dropped from a b 35 which is HUGE in comparison to the German bombers of the time. Also if you look at the design recovering/dropping them would be problematic. Not to mention the xf 85 was a death trap
yep i saw this and there iz no place for a hook to drop and retrieve with because of the huge tail,the american tail is split in 3 and small and they sat in the belly of the bomber,yes a few problems to be solved for the german one,but no doubt they would have found a way.
Skidz Holeshot wanna see somethin interestin that goes with what your sayin bout aircraft dropin other aircraft, look up the 'project c with project e concept fighter' , nazis are were crazy late war with designs
nice
@@Riechstag you are talking about that crazy Daimler Benz design right?
absolute massacre
Those are some weird looking jets.
Fegelein!!
When in the air, why do the underwing missiles appear and disappear, apart from that enjoyed the vld.
It's four different aircraft, of which two took missles and two didn't. *Facepalm*
Ze Supreme Commandant is not impressed, He has given You four a choice, firing squad, or Fallschirmjager Special Op behind ze Eastern front.
Great Show fishy.
Interesting given that the TA-183 was designed to take down B-29s and B-32s.
Tu 4s are so fucking Strong in Every single Game
quite like the swidish Saab J 29
Yeah quite a lot acctually. Swedes aquired blueprints right after the war
@@ninaakari5181 Absolutely, Sweden is the spider in the info network!
But the SAAB J29 Tunnan (Tuna) was a successful trans-sonic design powered by a RR Goblin (?) engine. The Ta183 was a paper proposal, never built, and probably would have been a failure.
What i would give to have an online session like this
항상 잘보고있습니다. 감사합니다 XD
Do they also have coldwar jets and secret german planes?
Yeah - certain versions of this game, which we don't talk about here - have pretty much everything.
@@Fishyyyis it vr game or for pc
PC. You can get VR to work, but it's not great.
I always found the Ta183 had terrible handling. Much preferred the He162 or Me262. Even the Go229, even with it's terrible visibility. But nothing shreds heavy bombers like the D335 with the 2x37mm and more cannons.
And it's an ugly bugger.
It was only a concept drawing. I'm sure flight testing, even wind tunnel testing (and RLM had one of the World's most advanced wind tunnels) would probably have revealed what a pig it would have been. Look at it: No area ruling!)
The designer kurt tank kept on designing planes for argentina after the war, the pulqui II was the real version of this
This is what happens when ww2 lasted a little longer
nice and epic...while taking off the scene where other jets passing by..😊😊😊😊
The front part kinda looks life a F-86
F86 based off of blueprints from Messerschmitt P1101 and Ta 183
It is almost similar to I. Ae Pulqui II
Designed by the same man, Kurt Tank, very very similar planes
Snub-nosed F-86/MiG 15's
Ja zee Wunderweapons!
Shouldn't it be Soviet Tu-4s?
People still play this game? :o
No EZ-42 gunsight?
It really is a mini Mig 17
How do this AiM rockets worked?
German have homing missiles at the end of WW2?
Wire guided.
Luv the 183's!
Oh dear. I was hoping to see a landing.
Coolest mission ever!
Really cool!!!
The TA-183s look like kids of a Sabre and a MiG 15 that are size as ME-163...just look at it...Front and cockpit look like Sabre's,has the resemblance (looks) and wingspan of a MiG 15...
No, the sabre and mig-15 are the kids of the TA-183
Are the Tupolev Tu-4 an added aircraft, or just a B-29 skin?
B-29 with skin.
thx ;) @@ANDREALEONE95
@Перво-Германский маппер Its copied and improved B-29
*Sees swastika*
*Your video has been blocked*
The censorship is absolutely ridiculous, especially here in Germany. Idk it's sort denying the past for something we today didn't do. Who will see the swastika and say " Hey cool. I want to be Nazi..."
Eric Busch Probably they don't want you to think Nazis are and some people really get pissed by seeing a swastika. Look at Battlefield V for example. That game is extremely politically changed to the extend, that not even in the campaign a swastika was seen. I agree with you, and I respect you as a German citizen. It's like trying to erase something that happened. It's part of your history, as bad as it might be. In the war there's no right or wrong.
Do you really believe that's how ACM works?
*u plays on windows 2000?,or windows 7/10?*
Windows 95
Nice battle.
Nice historical event
I feel like it's way too easy to shoot these planes down, but I guess if it was like real life then it wouldn't be any fun.
You can say what you want but it was Kurt Tank original idea.
I have heard that it was a German designer that made Mig15
And where did he got it from?
Usually those that had the original idea gets the credits.
Blueprints of Ta183 and Mig15 in an overlay gif
3.bp.blogspot.com/-ysVbTJkYI1o/Vxz7MoFTZvI/AAAAAAAAAlM/4uXZbZeV5088ZuFJ_7u4oNnNjuIgeidaQCLcB/s1600/Mig.gif
Great!!!
Love it fisghhthyyyy
So, just like in the trailer.
The tu-4 kinda looks alike the b-29
That's because it is, thr tu-4 is a reverse engineered b-29
Oh I see now