Rational Roots Test / Theorem

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  • @aryashivakumar
    @aryashivakumar 2 роки тому +35

    at 4:12 you said "you get negative five" but the numbers are 2 and -3, so 2-3-11+6=-6, still not zero, but just clarifying in case anyone else caught that

    • @troydelantar7899
      @troydelantar7899 2 роки тому +2

      I have also noticed that, because 2 - 3 is equal to -1.

    • @UnbreakingSOUL
      @UnbreakingSOUL Рік тому +1

      I NOTICED THAT OMG I JUST SAW THIS COMMENT, weird is that I also put 4:12 👽 very timing

    • @UnbreakingSOUL
      @UnbreakingSOUL Рік тому

      @@troydelantar7899 maybe its just a mis-understanding

    • @momo-debest
      @momo-debest 4 місяці тому +1

      he also made a mistake at 5:12

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  • @tanggapandaniela8342
    @tanggapandaniela8342 9 років тому +103

    Correct me if Im wrong, isn't it 2-3-11+6=-6?? Not 10? From the first equation u gave.

    • @jelly6023
      @jelly6023 8 років тому +8

      I was thinking that only I noticed it, made me do a double-take

    • @charlieliu7719
      @charlieliu7719 8 років тому +1

      Same

    • @nInOwarrior0312
      @nInOwarrior0312 8 років тому +1

      Unless one of them is suppose to be positive/negative, also remember PEMDAS

    • @Maryz0lSunny
      @Maryz0lSunny 6 років тому +1

      Yeah it's -6

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      @gabriel922987 5 років тому +1

      U right fam

  • @jvaniee
    @jvaniee 11 років тому +20

    Use the rational roots test and then plug the possible roots back in the polynomial to see if they = 0. Or, like what your professor did use the possible roots and the polynomial in synthetic division. If the remainder is 0 then it's a root. Both ways work but it'll probably be faster to do synthetic division.

  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  15 років тому +5

    if you are using real numbers, one can not just look at the degree and conclude the polynomial has that many roots.
    consider f(x) = x^2 + 4
    this has no roots (again, using real numbers).
    the degree is the maximum possible number of real roots.
    euler (i think) proved that there will be n solutions (some repeated) to a n degree polynomial if we use complex numbers - it was his phd thesis!

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  15 років тому +2

    yep! i hope it made sense for you : )

  • @andreadelossantos164
    @andreadelossantos164 8 років тому +63

    I think it's not -27-33+6 it should be 27-33+6. Just get rid of the negative sign in 27 .

    • @promastrouvant3002
      @promastrouvant3002 7 років тому

      Andrea Delos Santos thats -27+-33

    • @charlieji8781
      @charlieji8781 6 років тому

      u r rite

    • @patrickdeveloper7186
      @patrickdeveloper7186 4 роки тому +2

      @promas this is misleading information and people will get confused, please correct it. Or further explain it.

    • @zorenmaniego5698
      @zorenmaniego5698 4 роки тому +2

      @@patrickdeveloper7186 at 5:30, The guy subtract 54 and 27 in the '54-27-33+6'. 54-27 is positive 27, not negative 27. That's why the 27 in his -27-33+6 should be positive. But since he did calculated the 27 as positive despite it visually doesn't, he answered the equation correctly.

    • @slysal5
      @slysal5 3 роки тому +2

      54-27= -27 ?????????????

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  15 років тому +2

    yes, first factor out the x.
    then you can use rational roots thm on the polynomial of degree 6

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    @Adriennee99 9 років тому +3

    Thank you it made things a lot clearer and connected everything I learned so far

  • @aadidesai1340
    @aadidesai1340 5 років тому +10

    5:31
    54-27=-27
    -27-33=-6
    -6+6=0
    Nice for you to help us, but please recheck work. + for the effort

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    @cryomancer20 4 роки тому +1

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  14 років тому +3

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  • @Coughi3
    @Coughi3 3 роки тому +1

    I think at 6:41 , if you expand the bottom function, it doesn't equal the top function. Instead it equals the top function / 2. If you replace (x - 1/2) with (2x - 1) then it works. :)
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  • @konopong
    @konopong 15 років тому +6

    Just to mention, after you have determined the three roots, when you write f(x) you need to include a multiplicative constant factor, which turns out to equal 2. That will give you the function you started with.
    Another way to find the roots and factored form of f(x) is that once you have found one root you can divide (syn. div.) by that factor to determine the remaining quadratic, and then factor the quadratic.

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  • @negosyante123
    @negosyante123 3 роки тому +2

    Be careful when you are adding or subtracting negative signs.
    It's actually not -27 but +27-33+6
    =0

    • @StormForthcoming
      @StormForthcoming 2 роки тому +1

      ohhhh thats why i was confused lol

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    I was near 3 months old when this vid was made now it’s helping me after 14 years

  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  16 років тому +2

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  16 років тому +10

    i have a video on synthetic division if that helps : )

    • @manshagoel
      @manshagoel 3 роки тому

      Do you have one for integer root test/theorem

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  • @Jaxamuss
    @Jaxamuss 8 років тому +19

    I'm sure it's not to important now but he should have used synthetic division to check. it's a lot faster. if you don't know what synthetic division is, look it up, it's very helpful for dividing polynomials

    • @aneesak-ar-im3869
      @aneesak-ar-im3869 5 років тому +3

      JaxamussAwesomessMaximuss of course he could’ve used it but this is the rational root theorem that he’s trying to teach us (Yh I know this is like 2 years late oops)

    • @Supunay
      @Supunay 5 років тому

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    • @CrimsonKnightmare1
      @CrimsonKnightmare1 5 років тому +3

      Ive heard synthetic divion is very limited

    • @mikuculus3720
      @mikuculus3720 4 роки тому

      CrimsonKnightmare How so?

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    @B.W.L.9786 4 роки тому

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  15 років тому +1

    no, u can always just reorder it

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    for some reason my math class books and other material teaches weirdly and complicates stuff. This was very helpful!

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  • @meredithcamper3192
    @meredithcamper3192 4 роки тому +1

    At time -1.23 you note that 57-27=-27 and then go on the day that -27-33=-6, just thought I would note that 57-27 is in fact positive 27. Thank for making this video though!

  • @WLOfails
    @WLOfails 13 років тому

    Thank you so much! I never knew how simple this type of problem could be and now I can start my homework... before school reopens tommorow...

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  • @yourvideosaregomi899
    @yourvideosaregomi899 10 років тому +128

    U put negative 27 even though it's positive

    • @khomchat1
      @khomchat1 6 років тому

      Nope - 3(3)`2 is 27 since 3*3=9 and 9*-3=-27

    • @EstiagoGaming
      @EstiagoGaming 6 років тому +11

      @@khomchat1 he is taling about 54-27 =27 not -27

    • @khomchat1
      @khomchat1 6 років тому +2

      Oops looking at the wrong one

    • @edmundsin4862
      @edmundsin4862 5 років тому +10

      Yes, he wrong -27 but he still computed it as positive 27. So no actual error that affected the answer.

    • @mr.lemonjuice9098
      @mr.lemonjuice9098 5 років тому +1

      But the answer still is correct

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  • @sovietwizard1620
    @sovietwizard1620 8 місяців тому

    Theres a faster way to do this which is if it's a cubic (90% of the time it will be a cubic, since those appear more)
    1. Simplify as much as possible, make sure there are only integers. MAKE SURE "a" coefficient is positive (Multiply by -1 if not)
    2. Try 1 by adding all coeeficients, and try -1 (You only need one root to end this cycle of rational root theorem).
    3. If no answers, THEN Take descartes's rule of signs since this works for cubics as it yields 2 possible sets only.
    *NOTE: A cubic is depressed if there is no x^2 part.
    4a. IF the cubic is NOT depressed Take the derivative and set to 0, then plug the answer back into the equation using a calculator and see which of the de moivre's part is right. If its complex answer there can max be 1 root. If one of the answers yields 0 as y, it means that the equation has a double-root and that is one of the roots. You can synthetic divide and stop here if this is true. If it yields 0 but there is only 1 horizontal tangent, it means there is a triple-root and you have just found all 3 roots (this is super duper rare though)
    4b. IF the cubic IS depressed, you can choose to either do 4a or find the discriminant and use that. If the discriminant is above 0 there is 1 real root, below 0 and 3 real roots, equal to 0 and 2 real roots. (Search up how to find the discriminant)
    5. Using that info determine which of Descartes possibilities are right.
    6. Use #5 and synthetic division and figure out if its below or above zero. If its below zero, eliminate all of the answers below it (unless there is another root, then be careful) and same for if it's above. (If theres another root, the graph can go back the other way again, so it's important to know it). Using this will eliminate like 2-3 solutions every try.
    7. IF there is a rational root, find the leftover quadratic and figure out the other roots. (If its 1 real root, there will be 2 complex roots, and if its 3/2 roots there will be 2 real roots.)
    8. If there is no rational root, either 1. Die 2. Depress the cubic and use Cardano's formula and die of exhaustion 3. Learn to code and approximate the root. (don't be that guy)
    Hopefully this helps, if it's not a cubic then die as well!

  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  13 років тому

    @aceonx not necessarily real, there can be complex roots as well

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    @cynthiajones5116 4 роки тому

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    @junqianchen7128 11 років тому

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  • @RidinMusicLines
    @RidinMusicLines 13 років тому

    @aceonx the amount of roots depends on the highest power x factor... so in x^3 + x^2 + x + 4 or something, 3 is the amount of roots, because this is the highest power x factor

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    @イエル-x9w 2 роки тому

    thanks so much for the solution :) I was having a hard time using synthetic division. I'll try doing how he's doing.

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    @WestSTL 15 років тому +1

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    @julianalinares9825 10 років тому

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  • @francisr8205
    @francisr8205 8 років тому +3

    Shouldnt you consider the negative versions of the possible rational roots too?

  • @herniethetwig7994
    @herniethetwig7994 5 років тому

    Thanks for teaching me what my teacher didn’t

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    @liyan2168 5 років тому

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  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  16 років тому +1

    ha, not quite : )

  • @born2race17
    @born2race17 16 років тому +1

    Slight error:
    At 4:18, 2-3-11+6 = -6, not -10.
    Though it doesn't affect the outcome of the problem. ^_^

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    @charlieliu7719 8 років тому

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  • @_A_343
    @_A_343 7 років тому +1

    This video helped a great deal. Thanks you.

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    @janellehafalla3659 8 років тому +1

    this literally saved my life

  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  13 років тому

    @xXwannabeguitaristXx well, not really, if it was not a constant, you would have a power of x, which you would factor out. then you would be left with a constant (assuming the powers are in descending order) and you would proceed from there. make up your own example to see what i mean.

  • @centrax4716
    @centrax4716 4 роки тому

    thanks man you explained it really well

  • @oscarmeadowcroft
    @oscarmeadowcroft 3 роки тому

    The concept of the rational roots testing makes sense, but factorising that polynomial gives (2x-1)(x+2)(x-3)

  • @johngivens1207
    @johngivens1207 10 років тому

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    @theecreativesoul 15 років тому

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    @patrickjmt  13 років тому

    @sarazuu yep, somewhere

  • @ChromaWorld
    @ChromaWorld 15 років тому

    this helped alot, but how do you know how many roots you'll get before you do it?

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    @predatorzealot1000 9 років тому

    didnt know it was uploaded in 2008 but thank you so much for uploading this video
    it really helped a lot

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    @RockPaperScissor267 3 роки тому

    Thanks, easy to understand.

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  • @MathMikie
    @MathMikie 16 років тому +1

    i like that can that solve for powers say 4 or 5

  • @patrickjmt
    @patrickjmt  16 років тому +1

    thanks!!!!

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