Mostly because they didn’t have a good foundation to keep them steady. Only when you look at their years of dominance do you see a team with a clear-cut identity whether it was having a defense that you couldn’t throw on or being a well-balanced team that had a shit ton of weapons.
@@sirlawrence9161 The 1981 Giants made the playoffs in spite of Ray Perkins thinking Scott Brunner was a better NFL quarterback than Phil Simms. It also didn't hurt the Giants had LT and three other outstanding linebackers, plus Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick on the defensive coaching staff.
Testaverde was still unproven then. His one season prior to this he had 10 TD's and 35 INT's. It was revealed that Testaverde was colorblind (for real no joke) so they wore white uniforms for most games.
@@seanabel3759 I’ll never get over the fact I found out when I was 6 years old on 1995 that Steve young was with the Bucs at one point because one of my packs of football cards gave me a buccaneers Steve young card and when I saw that I said yeah this proves just how bad the Bucs organization was for so long, they lost a literal generational talent
What the actual shit? As a Badgers fan Bud Keyes was terrible. He was a mercy pick because he was from Green Bay. You're telling me another team actually wanted him? JG9 is an absolute legend for uncovering this.
It's not uncommon. Colts drafted Elway who refused to sign and was traded to Denver. Eli Manning refused to sign with San Diego and was traded to the Giants. There's many more that were drafted and traded for various reasons. It's really no big deal.
Yeah it’s weird that this is considered an issue. The Bucs undervalued where someone would go off the board and tried to trade for him. Trade was denied. What’s the big deal? Rejected trade talks happen every draft without the fans even knowing.
They sure did. Hugh Culverhouse had no clue what he was doing when the '80s rolled around and the awful record the Bucs had from '83-89 showed that. The Glazers made me see what was possible late in their second full season as owners. The worst stretches in the Glazer era weren't as putrid as what we endured here in the Tampa Bay Area when Culverhouse was still running things.
Looking at the draft trade between the Redskins and 49ers from 2000, that trade seemed to have worked for everyone. Washington traded 2 of their 3 1st round picks to move up to #3 and drafted tackle Chris Samuel who had a fine career. The 49ers traded the 12th pick to the Jets who took Sean Ellis who had a pretty good career and the 49ers took Julian Peterson with the Jets pick and then Ahmad Plummer with the Washington pick. Rare that everyone wins with draft trades.
All this hoopla about a QB who was trash in college, who would’ve guessed that Bud Keyes wouldn’t work out in the NFL? Green Bay could’ve traded him to Tampa and make this story even more stupid. Classic Culverhouse Buccaneers at their finest. Even the Urinating Tree didn’t cover this front office blunder.
Tupa was a weird case. The guy was actually a damn good punter, but he was halfway through his career before someone decided that instead of being a bad quarterback, just use him as a punter and a No. 3 QB and save a roster spot.
"Well there must be something there if the Packers are fond of him~!" That's what Perkins thought. Now, it was a much earlier time, but you hear the story about how Deacon Jones was a 14th(!) round draft pick who became a Pro Football HoF and you understand. There's a diamond in the rough that, with the right coaching and in the right system, you turn into a Pro Bowl caliber player and you didn't have to spend a mint to do so. Even today that happens but now, it's usually an undrafted FA you sign for the minimum and see what you have.
Ray Perkins was mediocre, at best, as a head coach. His best year was ‘81 in NY, when the Giants went 9-7. That was his only winning season in 8 years as a head coach. His overall record was 42-75. I’m not surprised by this story.
He was far better in the college ranks. He never impressed me at the pro level, either. I don't know how I endured his tenure with the Bucs when I was a little kid.
Tom Braatz is a fool. He could have fleeced Buccaneers outta a couple draft picks for a player who didn’t even make team. That’s why only two players he drafted were still on 1996 Championship team.
Can you do a video on the panthers trading TWO first round picks for DT Sean Gilbert. He played a couple years for them after and they gave up two picks in loaded draft classes. One of the craziest trades that’s never talked about
Before there was poor David Carr with the Texans, there was Vinny Testaverde and Steve Young with the Buccaneers! At least Vinny and Steve managed to get out from Tampa and have decent careers afterwards.
Crazy because a couple of years later the Green Bay Packers would trade for a little known QB by the name of Brett Favre from Atlanta. Also, 4 RB? Damn Tampa were that desperate.
I dont think this guy knows exactly how bad the bucs were at everything in the 80s. I mean they wasted the first pick on Bo even after he said he would play Baseball. Culverbouse totally screwed that up. His ego, growing up in Tampa and seeing him do what he did to Bo was insane.
Ah yes, because the Bucs definitely didn't have a change to draft him, not like they had 11 picks in the first 9 rounds (yes I counted). Nope, completely swept him off the board before he had a chance to go to Tampa. Also Tom Tupa did have a legitimate NFL career as a punter, playing all the way until 2005 and making a Pro Bowl. More than most QBs in that draft class can say (Chris Chandler, the next QB off the board, is the only other one to make a Pro Bowl)
Jesus, you can lose days on this channel. If you haven't already, do one on the "rozelle rule" version of compensation for signing free agents in the 60's / 70's.
I had an idea for a future video. Now that the USFL is back maybe you can look back at the lawsuit that lead to the leagues downfall. From what I see the USFL won, and the court did think the NFL was a monopoly. The problem though is the court didn’t come down hard on the NFL. Hence the famous $2.00 check. But what if the court did come down hard on the NFL? What was the contingency plan if any? Was there going to be a full merger? An NBA/ABA like partial merger? Or a buyout of the USFL? If they did have a partial merger think about this. We might have a NFL now where there’s a team in Tennessee, Arizona, Jacksonville and Baltimore. But the team in Tenn would be in Memphis and called the Showboats. And the others would be Outlaws, Bulls and Stars.
Better strike while the iron is hot. The new USFL doesn’t seem to have a draw even with $10 tickets on a holiday weekend. Flipping through channels, I saw more attendance for the Florida Panthers (NHL) than the Michigan Panthers. Looked like almost a full house for the Ohio State spring game. For the PHI-NO game, it looked like there was more humanity on the field in Birmingham than in the stands.
To my dying day I will believe the NFL bribed that jury. There is no way 12 honest people believed $3.76 was legitimate compensation. Pete Rozelle should have gone to jail.
Who would of thought this guy who helped bring down the usfl would become president of the united states and then he would bring the country down with him.
Part of the reason: Trump desperately wanted to own an NFL team and thought with the lawsuit, the NFL would settle and allow him to buy a club. That blew up in his face...with a million other things before and afterward. 😁
Remember, Hugh Culverhouse tricked one Bo Jackson into making himself ineligible to play college baseball with Auburn because he didn't want to lose him to baseball. Bo swore he would never play for Tampa ever and he was right.
The 80s Bucs were God awful. Here is an episode for you to research. The 1982 draft mess starring Sean Farrell and Booker Reese. It's funny and indicative of why Tampa Bay sucked so badly for most of their existence.
This draft class was so bad, it did worse than if they has just spiked the ball on every play. Wow, it's hard to believe that Vinnie Testaverde had a rookie season.
This isn't stupid at all. They thought they could wait to the 11th, and they were wrong. If they thought he was really underrated there's no problem with them offering an 8th in the next year's draft for him. The Bucs get their guy (for the cost of an 8th round pick) and the Packers turn a 10th round pick in 88 into an 8th round pick in 89. It makes complete sense.
I’m kinda with you on this one. The Bucs took a chance by waiting and it didn’t work out. When you get that far in the draft it’s a real crap shoot. Looks to me like the Packers should have taken the Bucs offer. Of course, both teams were a little too high on Keyes.
Are you going to do draft videos until the 2022 NFL Draft comes around? I enjoy videos about broadcasting disasters and controversies. Do more of those.
Who would have thought the no luck Buccaneers would be 1 year removed from their 2nd super bowl and have TB12 as their qb. And yet the Chargers still dont have a single super bowl.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the drafting of another Keyes. In this case it was the Eagles drafting of Purdue Running Back Leroy Keyes, and how this affected the ability of the 49ers to sign their first round pick, Tight End Ted Kwalick.
Of course the Leroy Keyes pick was the masterful pick by the Eagles at #3 which they got because they beat the Saints and Lions in weeks 12 & 13(2 games before the infamous snowballs at Santa game in week 14) instead of tanking the rest of the season to get OJ Simpson.
There's a reason the only good UW QB anybody's ever heard of is Russell Wilson. And this guy was from a time when the Badgers sucked at everything but hockey.
I’m going to try something different today, which is to put my distinct reactions into different posts. JG9: Please, somebody try to make sense of this in the Comments section. Nobody: Absolutely Nobody: Well it makes sense from the following perspective:…
BOTH the Green Bay Packers AND the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BELOW a 39.6. Instead of making SILLY draft day TRADES they should FOCUS on HOW to SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play and MAKE it look ENTERTAINING.
Aside from the 1997ish to 2002 teams and 2020-present under Brady, the BUCS have always been a shit show.
Mostly because they didn’t have a good foundation to keep them steady. Only when you look at their years of dominance do you see a team with a clear-cut identity whether it was having a defense that you couldn’t throw on or being a well-balanced team that had a shit ton of weapons.
2005 and 2010 were nice lol.oh yeah 2007 also
so who did tampa pick in the 9th round???!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe green bay should have traded keyes to tampa for 2 first round picks !!!!!!!!!!!!
Was baffled by this when it happened, still can't get my head around it.
Do a video on the Saints trading all of their 1999 draft picks and the early 2000 draft picks for Ricky Williams.
Nice video especially since I just watched Draft Day.
Not a bad film but not great either.
love your videos; esp the Dolphins; can U do 1 on the 3 Dolphins who died in 4 yrs?
Tula was always a punter. Played both punter and QB at Ohio State. He was like receiving 2 positions with one pick
Yeah he was a punter that had a good arm, not a QB so bad he had to become a punter.
As an old suffering Giants fan ,all you had to say was Ray Perkins
Hugh Culverhouse was infatuated with him because he *somehow* made Alabama relevant in the 80s. Worst frigging owner in the history of sports. Period.
Ray Perkins led the team to the playoffs after an 18-year drought.
@@sirlawrence9161 The 1981 Giants made the playoffs in spite of Ray Perkins thinking Scott Brunner was a better NFL quarterback than Phil Simms. It also didn't hurt the Giants had LT and three other outstanding linebackers, plus Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick on the defensive coaching staff.
Testaverde was still unproven then. His one season prior to this he had 10 TD's and 35 INT's.
It was revealed that Testaverde was colorblind (for real no joke) so they wore white uniforms for most games.
The crazy part is Tampa had Steve young at one point 😂😂
I’m from Tampa and the Testaverde colorblind excuse reminds me of a big white billboard in Tampa that said “Vinny thinks this is orange.”
@@seanabel3759 I’ll never get over the fact I found out when I was 6 years old on 1995 that Steve young was with the Bucs at one point because one of my packs of football cards gave me a buccaneers Steve young card and when I saw that I said yeah this proves just how bad the Bucs organization was for so long, they lost a literal generational talent
What the actual shit? As a Badgers fan Bud Keyes was terrible. He was a mercy pick because he was from Green Bay. You're telling me another team actually wanted him? JG9 is an absolute legend for uncovering this.
It's not uncommon. Colts drafted Elway who refused to sign and was traded to Denver. Eli Manning refused to sign with San Diego and was traded to the Giants. There's many more that were drafted and traded for various reasons. It's really no big deal.
Very solid points.
Yeah it’s weird that this is considered an issue. The Bucs undervalued where someone would go off the board and tried to trade for him. Trade was denied. What’s the big deal? Rejected trade talks happen every draft without the fans even knowing.
Uncommon for a top 10 1st round pick? You're right. For a TENTH round pick? Now that was just ridiculous.
Man this just tells you how much the glazers saved this terrible franchise.
They sure did. Hugh Culverhouse had no clue what he was doing when the '80s rolled around and the awful record the Bucs had from '83-89 showed that. The Glazers made me see what was possible late in their second full season as owners. The worst stretches in the Glazer era weren't as putrid as what we endured here in the Tampa Bay Area when Culverhouse was still running things.
Oh those Buccaneers
Looking at the draft trade between the Redskins and 49ers from 2000, that trade seemed to have worked for everyone. Washington traded 2 of their 3 1st round picks to move up to #3 and drafted tackle Chris Samuel who had a fine career. The 49ers traded the 12th pick to the Jets who took Sean Ellis who had a pretty good career and the 49ers took Julian Peterson with the Jets pick and then Ahmad Plummer with the Washington pick. Rare that everyone wins with draft trades.
7:56 Couldn’t have said it better myself. 🙄🤦🏾♂️😆🏈
Still haven’t purchased a thesaurus eh
All this hoopla about a QB who was trash in college, who would’ve guessed that Bud Keyes wouldn’t work out in the NFL? Green Bay could’ve traded him to Tampa and make this story even more stupid.
Classic Culverhouse Buccaneers at their finest. Even the Urinating Tree didn’t cover this front office blunder.
UTREE IS KING OF YINZERS
Ray Perkins is the NFL GM embodiment of doing nothing but spiking the ball into the ground on every single play.
Bud Keyes kid is qb at deforest high school in the Madison area. He threw 17 td and zero ints in 2021. Only 6’1 though.
6'1" is plenty tall. YOu are acting as if he is shorter than 6 ft. 6'1" is well in range for college and NFL QB's.
When did he have this kid, after age 50? 😳
My guess would be because they were in the same division, The Black and Blue Division, NFC Central and didnt want him to play for the Pack.
To be fair Tom Tupa was also a regular punter in College.
Tupa was a weird case. The guy was actually a damn good punter, but he was halfway through his career before someone decided that instead of being a bad quarterback, just use him as a punter and a No. 3 QB and save a roster spot.
Ok, i seen tape and said he looks like Vinny and then you find out Vinny was the starter, so that makes a ton of sense.
"Well there must be something there if the Packers are fond of him~!" That's what Perkins thought. Now, it was a much earlier time, but you hear the story about how Deacon Jones was a 14th(!) round draft pick who became a Pro Football HoF and you understand. There's a diamond in the rough that, with the right coaching and in the right system, you turn into a Pro Bowl caliber player and you didn't have to spend a mint to do so. Even today that happens but now, it's usually an undrafted FA you sign for the minimum and see what you have.
Much love for those old uniforms they just didn't win much in them.
I might be in the minority but I like the old bud unis, they should bring them back for at least one game.
@@dustinsindledecker154 we are both on the same island.
I mean they are ugly as Hell but nostalgia kick kind gets me.
New York Giants did that with San Diego and got future HOF er and two time Super bowl champion Eli Manning
reminds me of Pete Axthelm who referred to any Green Bay/Tampa Bay game as the Bay of Pigs
Which Chris Berman continued to use in Pete's memory after Pete passed away.
Ray Perkins was mediocre, at best, as a head coach. His best year was ‘81 in NY, when the Giants went 9-7. That was his only winning season in 8 years as a head coach. His overall record was 42-75. I’m not surprised by this story.
But he did look good wearing a suit on the sidelines. 7:18.
He was far better in the college ranks. He never impressed me at the pro level, either. I don't know how I endured his tenure with the Bucs when I was a little kid.
Tom Braatz is a fool. He could have fleeced Buccaneers outta a couple draft picks for a player who didn’t even make team. That’s why only two players he drafted were still on 1996 Championship team.
Can you do a video on the panthers trading TWO first round picks for DT Sean Gilbert. He played a couple years for them after and they gave up two picks in loaded draft classes. One of the craziest trades that’s never talked about
their 1999 pick turned into the ricky williams deal for washington. crazy how that worked out
Before there was poor David Carr with the Texans, there was Vinny Testaverde and Steve Young with the Buccaneers! At least Vinny and Steve managed to get out from Tampa and have decent careers afterwards.
Crazy because a couple of years later the Green Bay Packers would trade for a little known QB by the name of Brett Favre from Atlanta. Also, 4 RB? Damn Tampa were that desperate.
That tells how bad the quarterback class was the first quarterback selected had a better career as a.punter.
This wasn’t even the worst attempted draft transaction with an NFC Central rival in Buccaneers history.
I dont think this guy knows exactly how bad the bucs were at everything in the 80s. I mean they wasted the first pick on Bo even after he said he would play Baseball. Culverbouse totally screwed that up. His ego, growing up in Tampa and seeing him do what he did to Bo was insane.
Ah yes, because the Bucs definitely didn't have a change to draft him, not like they had 11 picks in the first 9 rounds (yes I counted).
Nope, completely swept him off the board before he had a chance to go to Tampa.
Also Tom Tupa did have a legitimate NFL career as a punter, playing all the way until 2005 and making a Pro Bowl. More than most QBs in that draft class can say (Chris Chandler, the next QB off the board, is the only other one to make a Pro Bowl)
Thats the Bucs for you back in the 80's
Jesus, you can lose days on this channel. If you haven't already, do one on the "rozelle rule" version of compensation for signing free agents in the 60's / 70's.
I had an idea for a future video. Now that the USFL is back maybe you can look back at the lawsuit that lead to the leagues downfall. From what I see the USFL won, and the court did think the NFL was a monopoly. The problem though is the court didn’t come down hard on the NFL. Hence the famous $2.00 check. But what if the court did come down hard on the NFL? What was the contingency plan if any? Was there going to be a full merger? An NBA/ABA like partial merger? Or a buyout of the USFL? If they did have a partial merger think about this. We might have a NFL now where there’s a team in Tennessee, Arizona, Jacksonville and Baltimore. But the team in Tenn would be in Memphis and called the Showboats. And the others would be Outlaws, Bulls and Stars.
Better strike while the iron is hot. The new USFL doesn’t seem to have a draw even with $10 tickets on a holiday weekend.
Flipping through channels, I saw more attendance for the Florida Panthers (NHL) than the Michigan Panthers.
Looked like almost a full house for the Ohio State spring game.
For the PHI-NO game, it looked like there was more humanity on the field in Birmingham than in the stands.
To my dying day I will believe the NFL bribed that jury. There is no way 12 honest people believed $3.76 was legitimate compensation. Pete Rozelle should have gone to jail.
Who would of thought this guy who helped bring down the usfl would become president of the united states and then he would bring the country down with him.
I thought the USFL won 3 dollars?
Part of the reason: Trump desperately wanted to own an NFL team and thought with the lawsuit, the NFL would settle and allow him to buy a club. That blew up in his face...with a million other things before and afterward. 😁
This wasn't even in the Top 10 stupidest draft trades in Bucs history.
This kind of trade happens all the time in the NBA. Surprised it doesn't happen more in the NFL.
That pick was worse than if someone had spiked the ball on every down.
By 7 and half minutes I understood exactly why the BUCS took him..
Just all part of the loveable succaneer history.
Tom Brady at nine years old: Wait, you picked _that_ guy to be your quarterback?! Oh, that's it!
I’m pretty sure Brady said that about every QB taken before him during the 2000 NFL Draft.
I knew the 1980s Bucs we're bad, but holy cow I didn't realize they were THIS incompetent.
Remember, Hugh Culverhouse tricked one Bo Jackson into making himself ineligible to play college baseball with Auburn because he didn't want to lose him to baseball. Bo swore he would never play for Tampa ever and he was right.
Ray Perkins did a lot of dumb things in Tampa....
Can't blame Perkins completely gotta blame the ownership and the front office.
The 80s Bucs were God awful. Here is an episode for you to research. The 1982 draft mess starring Sean Farrell and Booker Reese. It's funny and indicative of why Tampa Bay sucked so badly for most of their existence.
Could be mistaken, but I think he did a video on that TB screw up months ago
It was like Tampa was put into the draft so fans can laugh and experts can go what and we know BO so why would this surprise us.
Nothing was learned from this.
I don't remember Bud Keyes, so I think they should have made the trade.
Truth is, he should have gone to play for that WSUC (now WIAC) school.
This draft class was so bad, it did worse than if they has just spiked the ball on every play.
Wow, it's hard to believe that Vinnie Testaverde had a rookie season.
The '88 QB class was nowhere near as bad as the '07 and '13 classes.
This isn't stupid at all. They thought they could wait to the 11th, and they were wrong. If they thought he was really underrated there's no problem with them offering an 8th in the next year's draft for him. The Bucs get their guy (for the cost of an 8th round pick) and the Packers turn a 10th round pick in 88 into an 8th round pick in 89. It makes complete sense.
I’m kinda with you on this one. The Bucs took a chance by waiting and it didn’t work out. When you get that far in the draft it’s a real crap shoot. Looks to me like the Packers should have taken the Bucs offer. Of course, both teams were a little too high on Keyes.
It's all hindsight and projection and some Luck you really don't know how any of these guys will turn out until you throw them out there.
a form of target fixation
what the hell is a "Tambay Buccaneer"?
There was a realty company down here that was known as "Tam-Bay" but that was years ago
@@BonyScribe thanks for your useless reply that has nothing to do with my question
I would say even Chris Grier would never be THIS incompetent, but the draft is coming up in a week and a half so he could still prove me wrong.
I almost think the Packers should have asked for a high draft pick in 1989 for Keyes.
how high
Tom Brady is a perfect example of my lower quote he ran a horrible 40 time in the combine you could time him with a sundial he was so slow.
Narrated by Charlie Day
Are you going to do draft videos until the 2022 NFL Draft comes around? I enjoy videos about broadcasting disasters and controversies. Do more of those.
No
The Buc's didn't keep Steve Young.🤦🏾
If he had stayed in Tampa, he never would have been any good. The Bucs were just a terrible organization at the time.
Who would have thought the no luck Buccaneers would be 1 year removed from their 2nd super bowl and have TB12 as their qb. And yet the Chargers still dont have a single super bowl.
#justice4budkeyes #nevergotachance
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the drafting of another Keyes. In this case it was the Eagles drafting of Purdue Running Back Leroy Keyes, and how this affected the ability of the 49ers to sign their first round pick, Tight End Ted Kwalick.
Of course the Leroy Keyes pick was the masterful pick by the Eagles at #3 which they got because they beat the Saints and Lions in weeks 12 & 13(2 games before the infamous snowballs at Santa game in week 14) instead of tanking the rest of the season to get OJ Simpson.
eagles could have taken mean joe greene instead.
@@stevenbauer4799 you gotta understand that this was the same team that gave Joe Kuharic a lifetime contract.
Gotta find out why the draft was so long... maybe because of the available USFL players after the league folded!?! 🤔
Ray Perkins just wasn't a good coach period he also bombed out as coach of the Giants.
If this guy was so bad how did he get a D1 scholarship lol 😂
There's a reason the only good UW QB anybody's ever heard of is Russell Wilson. And this guy was from a time when the Badgers sucked at everything but hockey.
@@Phateagle262 Russell was a transfer at that.
I’m going to try something different today, which is to put my distinct reactions into different posts.
JG9: Please, somebody try to make sense of this in the Comments section.
Nobody:
Absolutely Nobody: Well it makes sense from the following perspective:…
So you're just going to hijack the entire comments section.
@@Rockhound6165 I’m not the first, and I won’t be the last.
You’re usually spot on in your video topics. Like the Bucs, you missed on this one. But thanks for trying
BOTH the Green Bay Packers AND the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BELOW a 39.6. Instead of making SILLY draft day TRADES they should FOCUS on HOW to SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play and MAKE it look ENTERTAINING.