hollywood doesn't seem to realize you can't just make a hit. things become popular naturally and you'll never be able to recreate that type of natural magic.
I agree a lot of cult classic type films basically captured lightning in a bottle and adding to the story in a remake or sequel can range from pointless to mildly interesting at best one example I often use is hocus pocus 2 it was such a nothing burger of a film
Frozen Empire is plagued with DEI political agendas to fulfilled so its going to be nearly impossible for it have a good script (what makes a hit a hit)
@@RatingsIntoCash "DEI" only bothers the "special" type of people who are concerned about that type of thing....Normal intelligent people don't feel the need to watch things based on how many weemonz and POC are in it. I hate to break it to those "special" people but the world is literally full of different people of different colors, different background and 1,000 other different things.....Its not just full of white men and subservient white women
I finally saw it last night. It pains me to say this but I have to be honest; Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire is a bad movie. The film is a mess. It's boring, poorly paced, confusing, convoluted and overly complicated. Too many characters, many of which have been needlessly shoehorned into the story. It's overstuffed with unnecessary dialogue, subplots, characters and scenes which go on for far too long. It's not funny either. I didn't laugh once during the movie, and neither did the audience I was watching it with. Neither is it scary. Laughs and scares are the two things you expect from a Ghostbusters film but this film doesn't provide any. Jason Reitman and Gil Kenan may be talented directors, but they're the wrong people to be writing these films. With a heavy heart, I rate this film 3 out of 10. I feel a lot of fans are in denial about just how bad this film is.
Bill Murray saying “I was proud of you then….I’m proud of you now.” Was the best and most sincerely said line in the movie….the next villain….BOOGEYMAN DAMMIT!!
Ghostbusters' frozen empire was decent, in my opinion. The afterlife was definitely better, and the original first two were better. People who are adults that we're fans growing up are not made for them, I feel like. It's more made for kids. Paul rudd is amazing in these. But I do like Celeste O'Connor probably because I got a crush on her.
@kingstewy that's such a silly entitled view imo. You enjoyed those movies back then and didn't enjoy these, which is fair. They dont BELONG to anyone tho and as much as I prefer the OG movies, there's stuff to enjoy In these and anybody growing up now who loves them are no less valid than someone who doesn't.
I was so hyped for months and months to see this movie. Went last night and it was a hard watch. I was let down. The audience, all 90 of us, were quiet, and left quietly at the end.
Why is the Real Ghostbusters a Extreme Ghostbusters have more scary stories then these new movies. Hell Extreme Ghostbusters had a Hellraiser parody which made the studios pressure the writer to tome it down because it was so dark and it was a cartoon.
cause that was in the late 80s and 90s kids shows were allowed to be dark and scary in that time period. These new movies are just for kids and pre teens
@@rockmusicforever90 To be fair, the stuff from the 80's was meant to be just for kids and pre-teens as well. Not only Ghostbusters, but movies/tv shows across the board. I mean hell, look at the original Beetlejuice for example. That movie was rated PG. "Nice fucking model! *HONK HONK*" The new one will more than likely be PG-13 and it still won't have anything of that nature in it. The sensibilities of modern society has regressed back to the milk toast safeness of the 1950's and 60's. It's just a product of the times, man.
Damn sucks you guys were disappointed. While not perfect by any means I actually still really enjoyed it and the theater I was at seemed to love it but hey that's what is great about movies they hit everyone in a different way
Am I the only Ghostbusters fan I went to the theaters and enjoyed the movie yes it wasn't the most perfect thing on the planet I mean yeah I really wish they would start using some stuff from the old cartoons especially like extreme Ghostbusters but the movie was not terrible like people keep making it out to be
The good thing is we grew up in a time where they made original ideas. The 80s & 90s were so creative and amazing it’s tough to even come close to the magic they made in those movies! This generation is just CGI and reboots and remakes..! “ You Have No police FORCEEEEE”!
NO. NO you didn't and the people who constantly fart that out have no clue WTF they're even talking about...Remakes and sequels have been a thing for decades not just now.....I bet your one of those people who thinks Looney Tunes garbage Scarface is amazing and has no clue that its a remake of a remake of a movie made in 1929...Or A Star is Born was a remake of a remake of a Judy Garland movie.... It will never stop being hilarious when people try to talk about sequels reboots as if they're something new and exclusive to now. Protip; because the big tentpole movies are alot of sequels and reboots doesn't change that hundreds of movies are made a year the number of reboots is minimal in the total. The problem/cancer are the people who think that movies must have 25 sequels and, can't handle that a movie can have a story and end the story with the movie. Its OK for a story to just end and not need 15 timelines, 25 sequels, etc.
I had the same reaction to the scene where Winston was yelling at Pheobe. It wasn't a random act of vandalism. If she hadn't done what she did, she would have been killed. Other people were also in danger, too.
Modern Hollywood just doesn't have it anymore. I've refrained from getting excited about a new movie coming out now, because I already know that it's been produced via the modern Hollywood machine, and thus is going to have no heart nor soul in it.
@@RatingsIntoCash Oh for sure! There is a magic and soul that 80s, 90s and early 2000s Hollywood movies had (and before that as well), that they've completely abandoned now. When I watch movie reaction channels now, and I see people reacting to these classic movies that were part of my childhood, I'm just reminded of what we had in the entertainment industry before. Literal art was being produced for the masses to consume. The movie creation process was full of creativity and heart. Models were constructed, the story was well established and masterfully executed in the filmmaking process. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire is just another example of what we have to consume now in general, and any sequel is going to fall victim to the same fate.
@@RatingsIntoCash You should just stop watching TV and movies anyway since your clearly one of those "special" people who has to watch and count how many POC and weemonz are in things....The biggest cancer to movies are the people who need to count those things and worry about a diversity
@@gamedojotv I very much agree, these are sad times and for the entertainment industry as well. It's like, they know it's bad now so they must artificially pump up the artists whether it's pop stars or movies to look as big and grand and important as possible because the artistic content of value is not actually there, so they must trick the audiences into thinking this stuff is somehow great when it's really not. Seduce the masses with fluff, like a trip to an amusement park. I'm reminded of the last Indy or Star Wars flops here. This particular franchise, is one of those where all one needs is basically the brilliant original no need for the rest. Sometimes they just can't surpass brilliance, so why even try.
The subplot with Slimer was totally pointless, it was a new version of the deleted scenes of Louis trying to catch slimer from GB2. And even this new attempt had stuff cut out of it, in the trailer he fires the wand at slimer and that's not even in the movie. So much was slapped into trailers that somehow didn't make it into the final movie. Very deceptive marketing, especially the posters portraying this frozen city and the ghostbusters walking into it, wearing their red coats and ecto is centre stage.
Garraka was more powerful and represented a much bigger threat than Gozer or Vigo. We saw people die from Garraka where that didn’t happen with the original films. Gozer damaged a street/block maximum, Garraka froze an entire city. Phoebe Spengler is the best character to come out since the 90’s. She has the most character development and suits her role. She has Egon’s vibe and is a believable replacement. Logical with some rage when pushed. Let’s also not forget that Phoebe is only 15. That being said you complain that this is kid Ghostbusters, yet her and Podcast are the only kids in the film. Also Walter Peck was right in the first film too, but I bet you don’t complain about that? You love Paul Rudd so much, and that’s fine, but it’s just Paul Rudd playing Paul Rudd.
A) Who cares if Garraka was more powerful. They are fictional characters and this one was a CG blob that could have come out of any bad superhero movie. B) Yeah when the plot focuses on a 15 year old and her ghost friend for the majority of the running time....it's a kids movie. And finally if Paul Rudd playing Paul Rudd is the most interesting part of a movie? You probably aren't watching a great movie. Also, if your idea of Ghostbusters is a little kid running around whining and being dumb enough to end her life to be w a ghost for 30 seconds, then we aren't looking for the same things. That is NOT the spirit of Egon nor a good replacement for an adult who's a fascinating, hilarious and smart character.
@@WeWatchedAMovie Egon tried to drill a hole in his head and attempted to assault Peck in front of police. He was an incredibly intelligent character, but also had issues. Phoebe is also incredibly intelligent like Egon with that eccentric streak. Also she didn’t end her own life, she even stated in the film that it wasn’t lethal. I certainly don’t have a problem with her character or Paul Rudd, however McKenna Grace changes her persona for different roles, whereas Paul Rudd seems mostly the same in his films. As for Garraka, he created much higher stakes for the Ghostbusters compared Gozer or Vigo with more screen time than them. People seem to complain about Garraka being defeated too easily, yet he had more screen time and was more difficult to defeat than the other two.
The drill thing was a joke and wasn't bc he was mad at his parents for refusing to sacrifice their entire company and go to jail because she wanted to be a Ghostbuster 3 years sooner. And again, I don't care how powerful or how much screen time Garraka had. The character was a carbon copy of a thousand other CGI bad guys. It was neither fun nor interesting.
@@WeWatchedAMovie We don’t know what Egon was like at 15. I’m betting similar. So you’re saying Garraka was garbage just because he was CGI? He was just as fleshed out as Gozer or Vigo.
Nah. They turned phoebe into a regular moody teen. She lost her deadpan gravitas that made her great in afterlife. You sound like a whiny fool. These guys are spot on
Afterlife actually had an emotional core. After a rewatch, it's a good story and it stands on its own. This feels like it's not even taking place in the same world with the same rules.
It's really not as bad as they're making it seem. There are some valid criticisms. But honestly I've been a fan for 29 years and I liked it. Not a perfect film. But 7.5/8 in my opinion.
The melody ghost plot was totally pointless. They kept it totally hidden from the previews . I liked all the lore and special effects of the containment unit. Nadeem and pinfield were awesome
@@AetheriusComicsYupp that was finally nailed into their heads with Lightyear. Parents caught wind of the non-hetero shit and didn’t go. I live in a small town now, ppl in this town are the last to know what’s going on in media. There were customers @ my work talking about Lightyear/saying not to take their kids.
The Real Ghostbusters can always be brought back for low budget and with the original characters. The franchise is getting wasted. They won't let the original characters really develop on screen. Nobody wants to see McKenna Grace or the new Ghostbusters. It'll never be the same no matter how hard they try.
@claudetheruler Even Stevie Wonder could see this was an implied lesbian subplot. I actually feel like it's quite obvious they were going there and rewrote/reshot some of it to try to avoid being so on the nose with it.
Yep, tired of the Pheobe character. Feels like the whole thing revolved around that character. It didn't feel like ghostbusters although the originals made their appearances.
Yup she brings no comedy element. Centering the film around her sucks all the fun away. Lucky has also go to be the most pointless ghostbuster character. It's like she's in there by committee
I loved it, Look my favorite movie is 84, I saw 89 (2) in Theater, I watched both cartoons, I have the game and hated 2016 but loved Afterlife. Today we don't have films like the 80s which I may not like, The key reason why Harold Ramis bless him died, Dan, Bill, Ernie and Annie are older and the kids which I think McKenna is great lead because I sense Egon within her performance. I think this would work better as a live action series. I think it would have worked better if Samhain was brought back. Linking maybe the Real Ghostbusters series is slight cannon. But it being to kiddy well look We are going to see it now, as older folks, I turned 41 yesterday. To see this and last film I never thought it would happen, like Beetlejuice 2 and X-men 97. Could it go so dark sure create a branch based off of Extreme GB.
When they benched Phoebe the Pheeb and left her at the firehouse and Janine is walking around in the background, that's a missed opportunity for Janine to comfort her and have a little talk with her
The big let down was the new Ghostbusters team being this family. If the characters in Afterlife had all been in their senior year of high school then this could have been all about the new team of college aged Ghostbusters (also explaining how they moved to New York,) with the 70+ year old OG team being their mentors and ultimately handing over to them as the main team.
I just watched it last night, I agree with y’all on everything the stranger things kid felt like he needed to pay his rent and that’s why he came back ultimately my score was with j’s but lower around 6.3
I love you two guys and totally respect your opinions. However, I will say I respectfully disagree. I've been a Ghostbuster fan for 29 years. I wouldn't say this movie was amazing but I think you two are perhaps criticizing this one a little too much. I completely understand some of the criticisms. But Phoebe Spengler was being set up to be the next Ghostbuster for the new generation. Ghostbusters Afterlife was the gateway. They were opening up for the next era of Ghostbusters... I think this film was an 8/10, maybe a 7.5 at worst. I highly recommend ppl go watch it and make up your own opinion. This review, with the most respect, feels too biased. Believe me, I do think some things could have been so much better. But the film is not as bad as you two gentlemen are making it seem. I think OG fans owe it to themselves to watch this film. I'm not trying to defend flaws, there are some. In the end this is your review/opinion. So it's all good.
@@WeWatchedAMovie The Cinemas and Box Office reflect what you are saying because of people like yourselves basically telling the world that the Movie Sucks and you should not go to see it, people should make their own mind up about the movie and give it a chance its not as bad as you are making out respectively speaking
So you don't see a problem with children running around with flamethrowers, explosives and machine guns, Proton packs are more dangerous than those. They were also established in lore to be hard for 4 grown men to carry, yet non of the 90 pound children have any problems with it. Might as well have 10 year olds taking Rambo, RoboCop or Dutch's mantel lol.
Since 2016 LMFAO I love it when people pretend something just now happened.....Sorry not sorry, the 80s cartoon had the Junior Ghostbusters before it was transformed into Slimer and The Real Ghostbusters....It had already been turned into something for children in the late 80s
@@lutherheggs451 Those were cartoons, not the movies. The 1984 movie was an adult themed film. The 1989 movie did lean into the cartoon more, and was "less adult", but it wasn't an overly Scooby-Doo kiddie movie.
I don't have kids, I'm going to watch it in theater, I wouldn't intentionally detour people from watching a film in theater, way too many ppl I wanna help support who were apart of these films
I think it's totally fair to try and save a regular person money if they ask you your opinion on a movie. I am definitely more concerned about a normal person losing 10 bucks than I am a tentpole blockbuster from a Company with billions.
@@WeWatchedAMovie isn't that part of the reason why most of these movies fail, and fail at getting sequels? Because so many social media platforms are saying, "hey, this movie sucks, don't go watch it"
When they announced the were working on a new Ghostbusters originally it was going to be mid 20s characters playing Ghostbusters. Then they announced kids I said great there going the kid route. Wishful thinking.
Well I enjoyed the movie but yeah I do agree they do got to stop focusing on egon's grandkid can you imagine they did another movie and it was focused on Phoebe again like come on
Believe you guys are complaining you couldn’t tell that from the toy line that this movie was about a family dynamic and not the original Ghostbusters I saw that a mile away I’m just gonna wait for it to come out
The special effects practical and CGI in the first two films where excellent for the time, and they still hold up today. The CGI for the girl that Phoebe falls for? Yeah, it looks like something that the Disney Channel would use. 🤦🏻♀️ The franchise needs to die. I was and still am not interested in the Ghost Corp idea of Ackroyd’s. It could work for the IDW comics, but for a film? No thanks. I didn’t like the first film, and I didn’t like this one. 🤷🏻♀️ And for those who say “You’re not a true fan if you hate this movie.” Uh no, you can dislike a film etc but still love the franchise. 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Aw come on, fellas. I just saw the movie and it was actually pretty damn awesome and it didn't really feel disappointing, man. And as far as I know, *it's still better than the 2016 reboot.* And personally? *SCREW THE DAMN CRITICS!*
I really enjoyed it. Not a fan of McKenna Graces character. She was like an angsty teen who feels she knows better than everyone and her selfish rebelliousness is what caused th3 big problem, th3n they tried to giv3 her redemption arc. No thanks. I did love new character “fire king”. His scene with Bill Murray giving him the test an$ asking questions was so funny I was crying
Thanks for the review, feels real and relatable. Also the multiple VHS brings me back when I was a kid and used to read the covers looking for great, fun new creative stories to be seen :)
Wal-Mart retread is absolutely right! Super corporate and contrived. Jason Riteman is a capable director, but seriously, the new guy suuucks. I know Jason had his hands on this script, but it needed to have a second pass from a real human being.
I didn't have a problem with this. I loved this film and I don't see the problem with making the movie more appropriate for general audiences, including kids. I would love Samhain to make it onto the big screen.
@@WeWatchedAMovie that wasn’t the argument though. The argument was they had more “personality” their story’s were also told through exposition in the original movies, and with so little lines of dialogue how do they have more personality?
I think mike was saying Vigo an Gozer were shown a lot more througout the movies and had a menacing presence throughout. Personality comes with little things they do like possessing people, using them, promissing them things, smilng at Dana, going from calm and calculated to angry and vengeful. This Garakka is just one note 'Angry' the entire movie and barely shown.Which leads to a boring villian. Its like thanos compared to the Thor 2 villain, Personality- No personality. I got ya Mike haha
Podcast and Lucky weren’t needed and were forced in the story for them not to do very much. Trevor (Finn) could’ve fit in those scenes to make his character useful. I enjoyed it, but they needed to give the cast more storylines rather than Phoebe having multiple stories.
As a 29 years fan, I gotta say it's not as bad as they are making it seem. It might not be for them and that's totally respectable. But I'm a huge fan and I can tell you its a solid 8. I think Afterlife was better and some of the criticisms they are making in this review are valid. But it also seems a bit exaggerated. Just watched the film yesterday and I don't understand how any OG fan could dislike it, unless they're letting bias affect their review. Anyways just my thoughts on that.
Went to see it Thursday, didn’t really bother me because I didn’t have high expectations. Even though the child labor stuff was unnecessary, it made complete sense. Should’ve just went back the basics & made an adult movie comedic undertones.
As granddaddyotaku636 says I think this film was an 8/10, maybe a 7.5 at worst. I highly recommend ppl go watch it and make up your own opinion. This review, with the most respect, feels too biased. Believe me, I do think some things could have been so much better. But the film is not as bad as you two gentlemen are making it seem. I think OG fans owe it to themselves to watch this film. I'm not trying to defend flaws, there are some. In the end this is your review/opinion. So it's all good.
I may be in the minority here, but I enjoyed the movie more than I thought. 1. The same cavalier irreverence that endeared me to the first movie is here in spades. 2. The ghosts got more depth and detail than just monsters to get busted. 3. The Possessor was a great and well-executed concept. 4. Several scenes managed to creep me out (in a good way), notably the prologue and the power outage, echoing the first movie's blend of comedy and fear. 5. Even if they missed a few beats, no characters or moments were bad enough to make me cringe (YMMV of course). I particular enjoyed Grooberson and Wartzki's characters. 6. I'm not sold on the idea that Phoebe and Melody's connection was strictly romantic; Phoebe is characterized by how difficult it is for her to connect with others, so even a platonic friendship would be a profound milestone for her. I'm not saying that you're wrong to be disappointed with the movie, but at least my girlfriend and I loved it.
I liked this movie more that Afterlife but I don't like the whole family ghostbusting business thing. Paul Rudd and the mother are bland and dry. The kids are ok. The side characters were more interesting than the spangler family. I felt that the side characters along with paul rudd should have been the ghostbusters. Keep the mother and the kids in the firehouse with slimmer. I really liked that they incorporated a lot of the real ghostbusters animated series elements. I give it a 8 out of 10.
The original two Ghostbusters were so intelligently written. Afterlife was a sequel-remake but at least was charming and sentimental. Frozen Empire felt rushed and shallow. It felt more like a pilot to a tv show. A lot of setup but not much actual ghostbusting. The ending was anticlimactic. For what it’s worth, they are setup well for a series but I doubt that’s the direction they’ll go in.
It was aight... Instead of Afterlife they should've made GB Extreme.... PS if you're gonna pull ghost from the cartoon I wouldn't mind seeing The Boogeyman since u already have kids in the movie. Practical effects with cg to compliment it🔥🔥🔥🔥
Call me crazy, but I liked it. It wasn’t without its problems. Like why did the young guy in the crowd call the mayor dickless? Not only was he not there when Peter and Ray called him that, I’m willing to bet he wasn’t even born yet. And if Phoebe and the flame ghost are supposed to be gay, why did they have no chemistry? If they do a third one, they should do that plot with them going to a Hell version of New York. There was a cartoon episode with that premise. I kind of want to see a giant talking door say, “DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DOOMSDAY “
Finally, someone else who gets the reference! I agree with you about Phoebe and Melody; Phoebe is characterized by how difficult it is to connect with others; even a platonic friendship would be a profound milestone for her.
@@Antidragon-nl7by Exactly she has Autism or is somewhere on the scale. I have personal experience with this as I also have problems connecting with others
Have any of you guys even see the cartoon? Because that’s what this movie felt like which I loved. I kindly disagree with you on some of your “points” but wajtever
Saw it tonight and, it wasn't perfect, it felt very all over the place with to many plots going on. But the characters were still fun, it pulled a ton from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon. I thought the OGs were used well, the villain felt lost in all the other plots. All the new tec and research center stuff was cool. It's a 6/10
Just stop comparing it to the first movie people. It's something different now. It's not about four middle-aged guys with crude humor. I love the firsts. It will always be the best..
Since the movie seems to be doing well thus far and Sony wants to expand the GB universe I feel like why not make spin off movies with different tones. If this is going to be a continuing brand for Sony and if they are serious about expanding it I say keep this as the main series and do spin offs that have a variety of tones. You could do a spin off with just the old team and make it closer to the tone of the first 2. You could also do other spin offs with different GB teams all over the world with different tones and styles.
Jar Jar Ghost Girl put the movie on life support. The Firemaster coming down the pole yanked the plug. Every memberberry felt forced and sad and bogus. Forgetting to put in any jokes was also very unfortunate. -Member when they called Peck "dickless"? -Member the library ghost? -Member the library guy? -Member "light is green, trap is clean"? All cringy.
Hey all? Hope all is well. Im 40+ jajaja so i saw the real ghostbusters cartoon and ghostbusters and ghostbusters 2. I agree with lots of your views. The one thing that got me thinking, since Afterlife the essence of human ghosts to not say souls. And in Frozen Empire there were many layers.then I am thinking if the once human still maintains its look after death, how did the other ghost look if they were alive?
Kinda a biased review if you ask me. They make some good criticisms. But it does sound like they had unrealistic expectations going into the film and are butthurt because it didn't turn out like they wanted. Is it a perfect film? No. Is it as bad as they claim? Hell no...
@@melody-linkle The movie is based on a teenage girl's infatuation with a female ghost. Her whole wreckless infatuation with said ghost causes an unnecessary mess of allowing the freeze demon to get unleashed. Everything in the movie was all Phoebe's fault she's absolutely wreckless. Her lesbian wrecklessness causes an unnecessary mess. The movie has a few good ideas and concepts, other than that it's a flop.
@@RatingsIntoCash if that's all you got from the film then you were too focused on what you didn't like. Don't get me wrong, I see what you mean. It did feel a little bit, dare I say "gay" at times lol. But I think there was more to it than Phoebe has a crush on a ghost. She was dealing with the feeling of not being able to be herself because everyone was telling her she was too young to be a Ghostbuster, despite the fact that she was probably one of the most qualified in terms of the new group. She gravitated toward trusting a ghost girl aka Melody because she was the only one validating her feelings. In the end the ghost betrays her anyways. and Phoebe realizes that she should have more faith in the ppl that care about her because they just want what's best for her. Phoebe was so focused on trying to prove herself a Ghostbuster, that she put her trust in a stranger instead of the family who actually cared. Like I said, these two make some good points. But it's also a bit exaggerated. Just my opinion.
@@melody-linkle Phoebe the most qualified Ghostbuster?? Hell nah. She's proven to be nothing but absolutely wreckless in everything that she does every since the previous sequel. The whole ice demon getting unleashed could've been easily avoided and it getting unleashed was all due to her self selfish, self centered wrecklessness and her wrecklessness literally isn't even funny. I look at the movie as an unfair, huge FU to males, especially Asian males as Podcast clearly friendzoned by Phoebe every since the previous movie all in disfavor to a dead girl who isn't even living. Podcast's only purpose in the movie is solely to exist as cannon fodder for rejection and humiliation. Pathetic... The whole woke agenda of the movie is anti-male, anti-orthodox and painfully it overshadows any good aspects that there are about it.
@@melody-linkle biased? Sounds like ur butthurt they didn't enjoy it like you. It's okay to have a difference of opinion. Not everyone has to have a 🐏 mindset.
I about spit my whiskey out when you said The Buttercream Gang was as scary as this movie! 😂😂😂 You guys saw that movie? I mean, I liked it, but I wasn't sure how big the audience was
I enjoyed the movie; but I can definitely see your problems with the movie. I felt like they should’ve focused on more of the characters instead of Phoebe being the centre of the movie.
I wanted to see a big movie, the trailer made me think it'd be big. What we got was maybe 30 minutes of something like a ghostbusters movie and a whole hour of family drama/ middling tv series type plodding along trying to have an overly bloated cast do something. I'd had got Michael bay to direct and made walter peck a real antagonist where his attitude is 'i'm mayor, i'm gonna deal with this' and he's like 'i'm shutting you down, i got my own team now' In walks these ex- navy seal, alternate logo, alternate ghostbusters with different gear, like theres been an anti-ghostbusters ghostbusters team he's been working towards, they try to take down garraka but all get wiped out. The movie had good pacing in the start, the end was better (but rushed) but you have this middle hour that needed a lot of rework.
The ghost girl was pointless. Podcast recorded it with his phone and that would have been a better way to push the movie forward. This movie was a mess a mess I say.
Ghostbusters is my favourite film and i'd say Ghostbusters 2 is easy in my top 5, Afterlife was amazing. This one... i think they missed a trick here, the trailer looks awsome and you think its gonna be all out action. I'll have to watch it again at home but yeah... gutted with this. Its like Sony got their claws in to it and ripped it apart.
You guys realize they only make these movies to make money, right? Of course they aren’t going to make a 1980s movie in 2024. They want to appeal to as many people as possible.
I had a ton of fun at my screening. Everyone laughed and had silly grins on their faces. Both old and young. I thought the story was done well. I just think they could've added a bit more detail in it.
Saw this last night and enjoyed it. Maybe it's the newness of it, but I think I enjoyed it more than "Afterlife", for the most part (which I enjoyed, as well). I did appreciate the heart "Afterlife" had, though, especially with the Egon stuff at the end. "Frozen Empire", I found, was funnier, and I never felt bored. I absolutely agree that there were too many characters, and another pass or two at the screenplay could have had certain characters written out altogether. And for as many characters as there are, no Dana and no Oscar? That's kind of a bummer. The subplot with Phoebe and Melody was kinda interesting, but I can't say much else without going into spoilers. Once I watch it again on 4K, I will further amass how I really feel about it. And to be pissed/complaining that "Ghostbusters" is now aimed at kids, and it being a new thing: I've never understood that criticism. "Ghostbusters" has been aimed at kids for almost as long as its inception. With cartoons, figurines and toys, cereals, foods, drinks, Halloween costumes, and everything in between, "Ghostbusters" has been toyetic for almost forty years. This is nothing new. Right now, I give "Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire" 7/10. About the whole siding-with-Peck thing, though: that's kinda the point. It's even kinda the point in the original, as well. When you're a kid, you side with Venkman, because he's one of the leads and Bill Murray has charm and charisma, so naturally, you side with him. But watching the film as an adult, you find that Walter Peck is actually in the right: no one knows what kinds of effects the containment unit is having on the City; maybe the Ghostbusters really ARE unleashing harmful chemicals to induce hallucinations so they can save the day and collect a steady paycheque. He may have been dickless about the whole thing, but Peck did have valid points against the Ghostbusters. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Totally agree. One point I've been saying Garaka had zero character like the og films have. I felt sleepy a third of the way into this and there was no reason for it. I thought Venkman was unfunny also and I always loved him. That was my issue with it what it could have been is so obvious that it hurts they don't have a clear vision of what it needs to be. I don't think its a kids movie I mean they joke about nipple twisting on a painting and several jokes including the term sex dungeon.
Ghostbusters has always been for kids and teens... what are you guys smoking? If it was for adults we would have never gotten animated series or toys etc... Anyone who watched Afterlife knew mckenna was going to be the main character throughout this new series with Rudd and her mom and brother as the rest of the team. I'm surprised they brought in anyone new at all. There was no need to pass the torch in this movie they did so in afterlife when the kids beat gozer.
@@shamrockballs1066 Not to be rude, but that doesn't matter. Overall what this comment explained is still correct. The preference of an adult or a child actor is irrelevant. The girl will get older and become an official Ghostbuster. Afterlife was setting up Phoebe Spengler to take up the legacy her grandfather left behind. These two expected Paul Rudd to be the main focus? The first movie was all about Phoebe and her family. The fact that anyone expected anything different seems more of a personal preference issue. As a fan for twenty years, this was a solid Ghostbuster film. It wasn't perfect but some of the criticisms made in this review are clearly spoken from a place of bias. It's okay to have bias, we all have biased views. But unfortunately this comes off as two fans having had a specific idea of how things were going to go, despite nothing pointing to those ideas, and then being disappointed that their ideas were not implemented.
@@shamrockballs1066 True but movies starring children aren't bad movies either. I'm liking that we actually get to see some 3 dimensional characters and character development now in the movies, which we only really got from the animated series back in the day.
It was not for kids. It was for everyone and skewed adult if anything. But the fact is it was such a cool and fun idea that even kids gravitated towards it and they made awesome toys.
@@melody-linkle Ghostbusters was a comedy/horror which starred adult comic actors. This new incarnation is a family fantasy drama which stars kids. It couldn't be further from Ghostbusters. This is coming from a Ghostbusters fan of over 35 years.
The problem with the movie is it was boring. I understand that the original cast is old, but why couldn't the movie be centered around them? What's up with that ghost girl? Has any ghost ever showed up like that before in a Ghostbusters movie before? How do these kids have such accuracy with the proton packs? I left the theater so disappointed. I was hoping for a Moranis cameo
If that ghost girl Casper shit wasn’t in there I’m sure the ratings from both fans and critics would have been higher. Critics love that forced non-hetero shit but because it was shoehorned into a fielm it didn’t belong in, it’s hard to ignore how boring it was. Pebbly was some execs idea.
I’m not frustrated because you’re wrong. I’m frustrated because you’re right. This movie had so much potential, but it just felt like a typical half-assed lazy film (because that’s exactly what it was) Paul Rudd makes it watchable though. Thanks for your thoughts, fellas!
Nothing will come close to the original movie ... that movie was lighting in a bottle and it will never be recreated. The second movie, while fine, but was miles behind the OG.
Just wondering are you even old enough to be transported back to 84? Even if you're not your review is spot on, bottom line it's now aimed at youngsters.
Spot. On. Using villains from The Real Ghostbusters is GENIUS. That show was genuinely terrifying at times because the villains were well thought out characters with personality and were a challenge to beat … unlike the villain in this one. I hated the ghost girl plot (and I’m a woman BTW. I don’t even consider 2016 Ghostbusters canon). It was so painfully boring. Once we finally got some action, it was over too quickly. The people behind this has got to realize the people buying tickets are the adults who grew up with Ghostbusters, not teen girls. I would 1000% LOVE a Paul Rudd and Kumail Nanjiani as Ghostbusters! I 1000% agree … focus on Paul Rudd’s character and not Phoebe. Teenagers as Ghostbusters is just stupid. We need the focus on the adults. The original Ghostbusters smoked, cussed, and drank. I know they want to get kids into it because that’s where they think the money is but … just make a good movie with Paul Rudd at the center.
hollywood doesn't seem to realize you can't just make a hit. things become popular naturally and you'll never be able to recreate that type of natural magic.
I agree a lot of cult classic type films basically captured lightning in a bottle and adding to the story in a remake or sequel can range from pointless to mildly interesting at best one example I often use is hocus pocus 2 it was such a nothing burger of a film
Frozen Empire is plagued with DEI political agendas to fulfilled so its going to be nearly impossible for it have a good script (what makes a hit a hit)
@@RatingsIntoCash "DEI" only bothers the "special" type of people who are concerned about that type of thing....Normal intelligent people don't feel the need to watch things based on how many weemonz and POC are in it. I hate to break it to those "special" people but the world is literally full of different people of different colors, different background and 1,000 other different things.....Its not just full of white men and subservient white women
Hollywood is just tapping into these classic IPs bc you can just CGI the hell out of it and sell tickets based on the brand
@@RatingsIntoCashand you left out the necrophiliac/lesbian relationship.. And the woke DEI just needs to disappear from movies.
I finally saw it last night. It pains me to say this but I have to be honest; Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire is a bad movie. The film is a mess. It's boring, poorly paced, confusing, convoluted and overly complicated. Too many characters, many of which have been needlessly shoehorned into the story. It's overstuffed with unnecessary dialogue, subplots, characters and scenes which go on for far too long. It's not funny either. I didn't laugh once during the movie, and neither did the audience I was watching it with. Neither is it scary. Laughs and scares are the two things you expect from a Ghostbusters film but this film doesn't provide any.
Jason Reitman and Gil Kenan may be talented directors, but they're the wrong people to be writing these films.
With a heavy heart, I rate this film 3 out of 10.
I feel a lot of fans are in denial about just how bad this film is.
Is this the Halloween Ends of Ghostbusters??? Find out next time on DBZ
lmao kinda!
Nothing like Halloween ends
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Very good correlation
@@WeWatchedAMovieGhostbusters was great!
Are y'all getting paid to hate on this movie?
Bill Murray saying “I was proud of you then….I’m proud of you now.” Was the best and most sincerely said line in the movie….the next villain….BOOGEYMAN DAMMIT!!
Shit, I remember this but forgot who he said it to…
@@treasures_untold_vlogs Peter said to Ray after ppl needed a match to light lol
@edwardosantiago3296 "I quit smoking in the 90's!"
I want Bill Murray to play a detached psycho. Has he ever had one of those roles? Like the ones Robin Williams had when he got tired of comedies?
Ghostbusters' frozen empire was decent, in my opinion. The afterlife was definitely better, and the original first two were better. People who are adults that we're fans growing up are not made for them, I feel like. It's more made for kids.
Paul rudd is amazing in these.
But I do like Celeste O'Connor probably because I got a crush on her.
That's not the point. They are OUR movies. The movies back THEN were OURS as well. You don't have to Disneyfy it.
@kingstewy that's such a silly entitled view imo. You enjoyed those movies back then and didn't enjoy these, which is fair. They dont BELONG to anyone tho and as much as I prefer the OG movies, there's stuff to enjoy In these and anybody growing up now who loves them are no less valid than someone who doesn't.
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I was so hyped for months and months to see this movie. Went last night and it was a hard watch. I was let down. The audience, all 90 of us, were quiet, and left quietly at the end.
Same here and then I see people telling me it was great. lol
They ghosted us but who you gonna call 📞 👻
@ZerocoolsPropsandCollectibles it’s was ok the last was better but it did have a lot to like but some negitives
@@jimbowlan5804if the last one is better this must be fucking shite.
It was great!
Why is the Real Ghostbusters a Extreme Ghostbusters have more scary stories then these new movies. Hell Extreme Ghostbusters had a Hellraiser parody which made the studios pressure the writer to tome it down because it was so dark and it was a cartoon.
cause that was in the late 80s and 90s kids shows were allowed to be dark and scary in that time period. These new movies are just for kids and pre teens
@@rockmusicforever90 To be fair, the stuff from the 80's was meant to be just for kids and pre-teens as well. Not only Ghostbusters, but movies/tv shows across the board. I mean hell, look at the original Beetlejuice for example. That movie was rated PG. "Nice fucking model! *HONK HONK*" The new one will more than likely be PG-13 and it still won't have anything of that nature in it. The sensibilities of modern society has regressed back to the milk toast safeness of the 1950's and 60's. It's just a product of the times, man.
I think you just hit the nail on the head. We need a “dark” GB film. The main ghost made it look like they were going in that direction.
Damn sucks you guys were disappointed. While not perfect by any means I actually still really enjoyed it and the theater I was at seemed to love it but hey that's what is great about movies they hit everyone in a different way
Nothing but man babies in the comments with woke this...woke that. Wannabe tough guys.
Am I the only Ghostbusters fan I went to the theaters and enjoyed the movie yes it wasn't the most perfect thing on the planet I mean yeah I really wish they would start using some stuff from the old cartoons especially like extreme Ghostbusters but the movie was not terrible like people keep making it out to be
I enjoyed it for what it was.
Love the mention of "The Buttercream gang" lol
The good thing is we grew up in a time where they made original ideas. The 80s & 90s were so creative and amazing it’s tough to even come close to the magic they made in those movies! This generation is just CGI and reboots and remakes..! “ You Have No police FORCEEEEE”!
I wouldn’t mind reboots if the writing was good. But that seems to be a big ask these days.
NO. NO you didn't and the people who constantly fart that out have no clue WTF they're even talking about...Remakes and sequels have been a thing for decades not just now.....I bet your one of those people who thinks Looney Tunes garbage Scarface is amazing and has no clue that its a remake of a remake of a movie made in 1929...Or A Star is Born was a remake of a remake of a Judy Garland movie....
It will never stop being hilarious when people try to talk about sequels reboots as if they're something new and exclusive to now. Protip; because the big tentpole movies are alot of sequels and reboots doesn't change that hundreds of movies are made a year the number of reboots is minimal in the total.
The problem/cancer are the people who think that movies must have 25 sequels and, can't handle that a movie can have a story and end the story with the movie. Its OK for a story to just end and not need 15 timelines, 25 sequels, etc.
I had the same reaction to the scene where Winston was yelling at Pheobe. It wasn't a random act of vandalism. If she hadn't done what she did, she would have been killed. Other people were also in danger, too.
Right?!?!? Winston wouldn't have done that
Modern Hollywood just doesn't have it anymore. I've refrained from getting excited about a new movie coming out now, because I already know that it's been produced via the modern Hollywood machine, and thus is going to have no heart nor soul in it.
Expect any other ghostbuster sequel to promote the DEI agenda more than anything else and that also excludes having a noteworthy storyline
@@RatingsIntoCash Oh for sure! There is a magic and soul that 80s, 90s and early 2000s Hollywood movies had (and before that as well), that they've completely abandoned now. When I watch movie reaction channels now, and I see people reacting to these classic movies that were part of my childhood, I'm just reminded of what we had in the entertainment industry before. Literal art was being produced for the masses to consume. The movie creation process was full of creativity and heart. Models were constructed, the story was well established and masterfully executed in the filmmaking process. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire is just another example of what we have to consume now in general, and any sequel is going to fall victim to the same fate.
@@RatingsIntoCash You should just stop watching TV and movies anyway since your clearly one of those "special" people who has to watch and count how many POC and weemonz are in things....The biggest cancer to movies are the people who need to count those things and worry about a diversity
@@gamedojotv I very much agree, these are sad times and for the entertainment industry as well. It's like, they know it's bad now so they must artificially pump up the artists whether it's pop stars or movies to look as big and grand and important as possible because the artistic content of value is not actually there, so they must trick the audiences into thinking this stuff is somehow great when it's really not. Seduce the masses with fluff, like a trip to an amusement park. I'm reminded of the last Indy or Star Wars flops here. This particular franchise, is one of those where all one needs is basically the brilliant original no need for the rest. Sometimes they just can't surpass brilliance, so why even try.
A 6.5 is not fair, it is more than generous.
The subplot with Slimer was totally pointless, it was a new version of the deleted scenes of Louis trying to catch slimer from GB2. And even this new attempt had stuff cut out of it, in the trailer he fires the wand at slimer and that's not even in the movie. So much was slapped into trailers that somehow didn't make it into the final movie. Very deceptive marketing, especially the posters portraying this frozen city and the ghostbusters walking into it, wearing their red coats and ecto is centre stage.
Garraka was more powerful and represented a much bigger threat than Gozer or Vigo. We saw people die from Garraka where that didn’t happen with the original films. Gozer damaged a street/block maximum, Garraka froze an entire city.
Phoebe Spengler is the best character to come out since the 90’s. She has the most character development and suits her role. She has Egon’s vibe and is a believable replacement. Logical with some rage when pushed. Let’s also not forget that Phoebe is only 15. That being said you complain that this is kid Ghostbusters, yet her and Podcast are the only kids in the film.
Also Walter Peck was right in the first film too, but I bet you don’t complain about that?
You love Paul Rudd so much, and that’s fine, but it’s just Paul Rudd playing Paul Rudd.
A) Who cares if Garraka was more powerful. They are fictional characters and this one was a CG blob that could have come out of any bad superhero movie. B) Yeah when the plot focuses on a 15 year old and her ghost friend for the majority of the running time....it's a kids movie. And finally if Paul Rudd playing Paul Rudd is the most interesting part of a movie? You probably aren't watching a great movie. Also, if your idea of Ghostbusters is a little kid running around whining and being dumb enough to end her life to be w a ghost for 30 seconds, then we aren't looking for the same things. That is NOT the spirit of Egon nor a good replacement for an adult who's a fascinating, hilarious and smart character.
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Egon tried to drill a hole in his head and attempted to assault Peck in front of police. He was an incredibly intelligent character, but also had issues. Phoebe is also incredibly intelligent like Egon with that eccentric streak. Also she didn’t end her own life, she even stated in the film that it wasn’t lethal.
I certainly don’t have a problem with her character or Paul Rudd, however McKenna Grace changes her persona for different roles, whereas Paul Rudd seems mostly the same in his films.
As for Garraka, he created much higher stakes for the Ghostbusters compared Gozer or Vigo with more screen time than them. People seem to complain about Garraka being defeated too easily, yet he had more screen time and was more difficult to defeat than the other two.
The drill thing was a joke and wasn't bc he was mad at his parents for refusing to sacrifice their entire company and go to jail because she wanted to be a Ghostbuster 3 years sooner. And again, I don't care how powerful or how much screen time Garraka had. The character was a carbon copy of a thousand other CGI bad guys. It was neither fun nor interesting.
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We don’t know what Egon was like at 15. I’m betting similar.
So you’re saying Garraka was garbage just because he was CGI? He was just as fleshed out as Gozer or Vigo.
Nah. They turned phoebe into a regular moody teen. She lost her deadpan gravitas that made her great in afterlife. You sound like a whiny fool. These guys are spot on
Afterlife actually had an emotional core. After a rewatch, it's a good story and it stands on its own. This feels like it's not even taking place in the same world with the same rules.
So sad to see beloved titles from our childhood be destroyed.
I'll be saving my money. Thanks you sexy Fellas!
It's really not as bad as they're making it seem. There are some valid criticisms. But honestly I've been a fan for 29 years and I liked it. Not a perfect film. But 7.5/8 in my opinion.
Same i liked it not the best but a pretty good movie same with afterlife it was good too
The movie you loved still exists as it always has. Go rewatch it.
It wasn't bad.
Oh come on, it still felt like the Ghostbusters. Personally, I was still able to enjoy it
The melody ghost plot was totally pointless. They kept it totally hidden from the previews . I liked all the lore and special effects of the containment unit. Nadeem and pinfield were awesome
My sentiments exactly
@@AetheriusComicsYupp that was finally nailed into their heads with Lightyear. Parents caught wind of the non-hetero shit and didn’t go. I live in a small town now, ppl in this town are the last to know what’s going on in media. There were customers @ my work talking about Lightyear/saying not to take their kids.
The Real Ghostbusters can always be brought back for low budget and with the original characters. The franchise is getting wasted. They won't let the original characters really develop on screen. Nobody wants to see McKenna Grace or the new Ghostbusters. It'll never be the same no matter how hard they try.
This movie was absolutely abysmal, lets have a girl kill herself for a forced love interest plot line with a ghost..wtf is hollywood doing nowadays
@claudetheruler - if this is what you took from it, you are really blind.
The forced lesbian love story was front and center.
@claudetheruler Even Stevie Wonder could see this was an implied lesbian subplot. I actually feel like it's quite obvious they were going there and rewrote/reshot some of it to try to avoid being so on the nose with it.
Grace Mckenna's hots for that ghost are hotter than Gozer's menstrual hot flashes 😫😫😫😫😫😫
Grace Mckenna had hots hotter than Gozer's menstrual cycle for that ghost 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫
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Yep, tired of the Pheobe character. Feels like the whole thing revolved around that character.
It didn't feel like ghostbusters although the originals made their appearances.
Yup she brings no comedy element. Centering the film around her sucks all the fun away. Lucky has also go to be the most pointless ghostbuster character. It's like she's in there by committee
Oh boohoo
@@Nobody-y5t5j why did you leave a response like that?
@@ENDOPLAGUE Because I dislike your comment.
That's why. 😊
I loved it, Look my favorite movie is 84, I saw 89 (2) in Theater, I watched both cartoons, I have the game and hated 2016 but loved Afterlife. Today we don't have films like the 80s which I may not like, The key reason why Harold Ramis bless him died, Dan, Bill, Ernie and Annie are older and the kids which I think McKenna is great lead because I sense Egon within her performance. I think this would work better as a live action series. I think it would have worked better if Samhain was brought back. Linking maybe the Real Ghostbusters series is slight cannon. But it being to kiddy well look We are going to see it now, as older folks, I turned 41 yesterday. To see this and last film I never thought it would happen, like Beetlejuice 2 and X-men 97. Could it go so dark sure create a branch based off of Extreme GB.
It really needed to focus on the research that Winston was doing, that would have been a better story.
YESSSS
When they benched Phoebe the Pheeb and left her at the firehouse and Janine is walking around in the background, that's a missed opportunity for Janine to comfort her and have a little talk with her
The big let down was the new Ghostbusters team being this family. If the characters in Afterlife had all been in their senior year of high school then this could have been all about the new team of college aged Ghostbusters (also explaining how they moved to New York,) with the 70+ year old OG team being their mentors and ultimately handing over to them as the main team.
I just watched it last night, I agree with y’all on everything the stranger things kid felt like he needed to pay his rent and that’s why he came back ultimately my score was with j’s but lower around 6.3
I love you two guys and totally respect your opinions. However, I will say I respectfully disagree. I've been a Ghostbuster fan for 29 years. I wouldn't say this movie was amazing but I think you two are perhaps criticizing this one a little too much. I completely understand some of the criticisms. But Phoebe Spengler was being set up to be the next Ghostbuster for the new generation. Ghostbusters Afterlife was the gateway. They were opening up for the next era of Ghostbusters... I think this film was an 8/10, maybe a 7.5 at worst.
I highly recommend ppl go watch it and make up your own opinion. This review, with the most respect, feels too biased. Believe me, I do think some things could have been so much better. But the film is not as bad as you two gentlemen are making it seem. I think OG fans owe it to themselves to watch this film. I'm not trying to defend flaws, there are some. In the end this is your review/opinion. So it's all good.
This would make more sense if we weren't the only ones saying it amigo. And the box office and cinemascores reflect that as well.
@@WeWatchedAMovie All you people are the reason why we can't have nice things! 😭
@@WeWatchedAMovie The Cinemas and Box Office reflect what you are saying because of people like yourselves basically telling the world that the Movie Sucks and you should not go to see it, people should make their own mind up about the movie and give it a chance its not as bad as you are making out respectively speaking
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@@TommyDay-kq1jj I Dont know what that means sorry
The Extreme Ghostbuster Cartoon was Children (late teens) Ghostbusters I do not see the Difference
So you don't see a problem with children running around with flamethrowers, explosives and machine guns, Proton packs are more dangerous than those. They were also established in lore to be hard for 4 grown men to carry, yet non of the 90 pound children have any problems with it. Might as well have 10 year olds taking Rambo, RoboCop or Dutch's mantel lol.
Yeah, The Extreme Ghostbusters was awesome!
Ghostbusters turned into Scooby-Doo kids franchise since 2016. The 80s movies were more adult, but made so children could enjoy.
Since 2016 LMFAO I love it when people pretend something just now happened.....Sorry not sorry, the 80s cartoon had the Junior Ghostbusters before it was transformed into Slimer and The Real Ghostbusters....It had already been turned into something for children in the late 80s
@@lutherheggs451 Those were cartoons, not the movies. The 1984 movie was an adult themed film. The 1989 movie did lean into the cartoon more, and was "less adult", but it wasn't an overly Scooby-Doo kiddie movie.
I don't have kids, I'm going to watch it in theater, I wouldn't intentionally detour people from watching a film in theater, way too many ppl I wanna help support who were apart of these films
I think it's totally fair to try and save a regular person money if they ask you your opinion on a movie. I am definitely more concerned about a normal person losing 10 bucks than I am a tentpole blockbuster from a Company with billions.
@@WeWatchedAMovie isn't that part of the reason why most of these movies fail, and fail at getting sequels? Because so many social media platforms are saying, "hey, this movie sucks, don't go watch it"
I want this movie to do well so badly! 🤞🤞
@@WeWatchedAMovie 😡😡😡
@@Nobody-y5t5j Why?
When they announced the were working on a new Ghostbusters originally it was going to be mid 20s characters playing Ghostbusters. Then they announced kids I said great there going the kid route. Wishful thinking.
Everyone wants to be stranger things now
Haters
@@Nobody-y5t5j wow such a strong and compelling case. lol
@@geminijim6655 I'm just calling it how I see it!
Well I enjoyed the movie but yeah I do agree they do got to stop focusing on egon's grandkid can you imagine they did another movie and it was focused on Phoebe again like come on
Phoebe is the heir apparent of course everything will center around her and her LGBT agendas.
I loved it. Then again I also had a seven year routing with me the whole movie
Believe you guys are complaining you couldn’t tell that from the toy line that this movie was about a family dynamic and not the original Ghostbusters I saw that a mile away I’m just gonna wait for it to come out
There’s always gonna be amazing movies being made in the world, but man I’m so jaded with this current Hollywood machine
This review gets FE so right. You get it exactly right. Thanks so much!
The special effects practical and CGI in the first two films where excellent for the time, and they still hold up today. The CGI for the girl that Phoebe falls for? Yeah, it looks like something that the Disney Channel would use. 🤦🏻♀️ The franchise needs to die. I was and still am not interested in the Ghost Corp idea of Ackroyd’s. It could work for the IDW comics, but for a film? No thanks. I didn’t like the first film, and I didn’t like this one. 🤷🏻♀️ And for those who say “You’re not a true fan if you hate this movie.” Uh no, you can dislike a film etc but still love the franchise. 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Aw come on, fellas. I just saw the movie and it was actually pretty damn awesome and it didn't really feel disappointing, man. And as far as I know, *it's still better than the 2016 reboot.* And personally? *SCREW THE DAMN CRITICS!*
Dude. The movie being better than 2016 cannot possibly all you wanted out of this movie. And we're all critics. Our opinion is the same as yours.
I agree on one thing: the trailers did show way too much.
I really enjoyed it. Not a fan of McKenna Graces character. She was like an angsty teen who feels she knows better than everyone and her selfish rebelliousness is what caused th3 big problem, th3n they tried to giv3 her redemption arc. No thanks. I did love new character “fire king”. His scene with Bill Murray giving him the test an$ asking questions was so funny I was crying
McKenna Graces Character Phoebe is Autistic just like how Egon was on the Autistic Scale I can heavily relate to this
Thanks for the review, feels real and relatable. Also the multiple VHS brings me back when I was a kid and used to read the covers looking for great, fun new creative stories to be seen :)
Moment I saw the kids from the first one , I knew adult humor is gone forever.
But there is adult humor lol
Wal-Mart retread is absolutely right! Super corporate and contrived. Jason Riteman is a capable director, but seriously, the new guy suuucks. I know Jason had his hands on this script, but it needed to have a second pass from a real human being.
I didn't have a problem with this. I loved this film and I don't see the problem with making the movie more appropriate for general audiences, including kids.
I would love Samhain to make it onto the big screen.
So would I! 🎃
I didn’t hate this movie like I did with Ghostbusters 2016. But I didn’t love the film like Ghostbusters Afterlife either. Lol
Vigo had like 2 lines and Gozer said like a max of 5 lines. I don’t know what “they had personalities” means.
Who cares how many lines they had? They were memorable and special and not some cgi forgettable suicide squad bad guy
@@WeWatchedAMovie that wasn’t the argument though. The argument was they had more “personality” their story’s were also told through exposition in the original movies, and with so little lines of dialogue how do they have more personality?
I think mike was saying Vigo an Gozer were shown a lot more througout the movies and had a menacing presence throughout. Personality comes with little things they do like possessing people, using them, promissing them things, smilng at Dana, going from calm and calculated to angry and vengeful. This Garakka is just one note 'Angry' the entire movie and barely shown.Which leads to a boring villian. Its like thanos compared to the Thor 2 villain, Personality- No personality. I got ya Mike haha
LOL! The Buttercream Gang. I wonder how many of you viewers know that film.
I have a ? If you seen frozen empire, and you seen the end, does that mean Gozer is free again?
Podcast and Lucky weren’t needed and were forced in the story for them not to do very much. Trevor (Finn) could’ve fit in those scenes to make his character useful. I enjoyed it, but they needed to give the cast more storylines rather than Phoebe having multiple stories.
This movie being trash should be the least surprising thing ever
As a 29 years fan, I gotta say it's not as bad as they are making it seem. It might not be for them and that's totally respectable. But I'm a huge fan and I can tell you its a solid 8. I think Afterlife was better and some of the criticisms they are making in this review are valid. But it also seems a bit exaggerated. Just watched the film yesterday and I don't understand how any OG fan could dislike it, unless they're letting bias affect their review. Anyways just my thoughts on that.
@@granddaddyotaku636 it's more focused on promoting DEI agenda rather than actually having a good storyline.
@@RatingsIntoCashYup DEI is what drug the story off the rails.
It's not trash.
It sure looks like it though.
Went to see it Thursday, didn’t really bother me because I didn’t have high expectations. Even though the child labor stuff was unnecessary, it made complete sense. Should’ve just went back the basics & made an adult movie comedic undertones.
As granddaddyotaku636 says
I think this film was an 8/10, maybe a 7.5 at worst.
I highly recommend ppl go watch it and make up your own opinion. This review, with the most respect, feels too biased. Believe me, I do think some things could have been so much better. But the film is not as bad as you two gentlemen are making it seem. I think OG fans owe it to themselves to watch this film. I'm not trying to defend flaws, there are some. In the end this is your review/opinion. So it's all good.
I may be in the minority here, but I enjoyed the movie more than I thought.
1. The same cavalier irreverence that endeared me to the first movie is here in spades.
2. The ghosts got more depth and detail than just monsters to get busted.
3. The Possessor was a great and well-executed concept.
4. Several scenes managed to creep me out (in a good way), notably the prologue and the power outage, echoing the first movie's blend of comedy and fear.
5. Even if they missed a few beats, no characters or moments were bad enough to make me cringe (YMMV of course). I particular enjoyed Grooberson and Wartzki's characters.
6. I'm not sold on the idea that Phoebe and Melody's connection was strictly romantic; Phoebe is characterized by how difficult it is for her to connect with others, so even a platonic friendship would be a profound milestone for her.
I'm not saying that you're wrong to be disappointed with the movie, but at least my girlfriend and I loved it.
I liked this movie more that Afterlife but I don't like the whole family ghostbusting business thing. Paul Rudd and the mother are bland and dry. The kids are ok. The side characters were more interesting than the spangler family. I felt that the side characters along with paul rudd should have been the ghostbusters. Keep the mother and the kids in the firehouse with slimmer. I really liked that they incorporated a lot of the real ghostbusters animated series elements. I give it a 8 out of 10.
Ghostbusters was always for kids.
Yeah our point exactly.
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Kids love dick jokes
The original two Ghostbusters were so intelligently written. Afterlife was a sequel-remake but at least was charming and sentimental.
Frozen Empire felt rushed and shallow. It felt more like a pilot to a tv show. A lot of setup but not much actual ghostbusting. The ending was anticlimactic. For what it’s worth, they are setup well for a series but I doubt that’s the direction they’ll go in.
Frozen Empire was great!
It was aight... Instead of Afterlife they should've made GB Extreme.... PS if you're gonna pull ghost from the cartoon I wouldn't mind seeing The Boogeyman since u already have kids in the movie. Practical effects with cg to compliment it🔥🔥🔥🔥
Call me crazy, but I liked it. It wasn’t without its problems. Like why did the young guy in the crowd call the mayor dickless? Not only was he not there when Peter and Ray called him that, I’m willing to bet he wasn’t even born yet.
And if Phoebe and the flame ghost are supposed to be gay, why did they have no chemistry?
If they do a third one, they should do that plot with them going to a Hell version of New York. There was a cartoon episode with that premise. I kind of want to see a giant talking door say, “DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DOOMSDAY “
That was Dan Aykroyd's script for Ghostbusters 3
@@glenmartin7978 I think I read about that.
Finally, someone else who gets the reference!
I agree with you about Phoebe and Melody; Phoebe is characterized by how difficult it is to connect with others; even a platonic friendship would be a profound milestone for her.
@@Antidragon-nl7by Exactly she has Autism or is somewhere on the scale. I have personal experience with this as I also have problems connecting with others
I'd like to see a new movie based on either revenge of Murray the mantis or ragnarok and roll.
Have any of you guys even see the cartoon? Because that’s what this movie felt like which I loved. I kindly disagree with you on some of your “points” but wajtever
Probably not lol
Saw it tonight and, it wasn't perfect, it felt very all over the place with to many plots going on.
But the characters were still fun, it pulled a ton from the Real Ghostbusters cartoon.
I thought the OGs were used well, the villain felt lost in all the other plots.
All the new tec and research center stuff was cool.
It's a 6/10
I guess I am the only one who liked the love story between Phoebe and Melody, but I agree it didn't need to be included in Frozen Empire.
Just stop comparing it to the first movie people. It's something different now. It's not about four middle-aged guys with crude humor. I love the firsts. It will always be the best..
Stop wanting Ghostbusters to be like Ghostbusters doesn't really make much sense to me.
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Since the movie seems to be doing well thus far and Sony wants to expand the GB universe I feel like why not make spin off movies with different tones. If this is going to be a continuing brand for Sony and if they are serious about expanding it I say keep this as the main series and do spin offs that have a variety of tones. You could do a spin off with just the old team and make it closer to the tone of the first 2. You could also do other spin offs with different GB teams all over the world with different tones and styles.
Jar Jar Ghost Girl put the movie on life support. The Firemaster coming down the pole yanked the plug. Every memberberry felt forced and sad and bogus. Forgetting to put in any jokes was also very unfortunate.
-Member when they called Peck "dickless"?
-Member the library ghost?
-Member the library guy?
-Member "light is green, trap is clean"?
All cringy.
Hey all? Hope all is well. Im 40+ jajaja so i saw the real ghostbusters cartoon and ghostbusters and ghostbusters 2. I agree with lots of your views. The one thing that got me thinking, since Afterlife the essence of human ghosts to not say souls. And in Frozen Empire there were many layers.then I am thinking if the once human still maintains its look after death, how did the other ghost look if they were alive?
My local theater has sold out shows. My son and I loved it. I loved the cameos and call backs to the 1980’s. Folks are way too hyper picky.
Great honest review fellas keep up the good work!!! 😀
Kinda a biased review if you ask me. They make some good criticisms. But it does sound like they had unrealistic expectations going into the film and are butthurt because it didn't turn out like they wanted. Is it a perfect film? No. Is it as bad as they claim? Hell no...
@@melody-linkle The movie is based on a teenage girl's infatuation with a female ghost.
Her whole wreckless infatuation with said ghost causes an unnecessary mess of allowing the freeze demon to get unleashed. Everything in the movie was all Phoebe's fault she's absolutely wreckless. Her lesbian wrecklessness causes an unnecessary mess. The movie has a few good ideas and concepts, other than that it's a flop.
@@RatingsIntoCash if that's all you got from the film then you were too focused on what you didn't like. Don't get me wrong, I see what you mean. It did feel a little bit, dare I say "gay" at times lol. But I think there was more to it than Phoebe has a crush on a ghost. She was dealing with the feeling of not being able to be herself because everyone was telling her she was too young to be a Ghostbuster, despite the fact that she was probably one of the most qualified in terms of the new group. She gravitated toward trusting a ghost girl aka Melody because she was the only one validating her feelings. In the end the ghost betrays her anyways. and Phoebe realizes that she should have more faith in the ppl that care about her because they just want what's best for her. Phoebe was so focused on trying to prove herself a Ghostbuster, that she put her trust in a stranger instead of the family who actually cared.
Like I said, these two make some good points. But it's also a bit exaggerated. Just my opinion.
@@melody-linkle Phoebe the most qualified Ghostbuster?? Hell nah. She's proven to be nothing but absolutely wreckless in everything that she does every since the previous sequel. The whole ice demon getting unleashed could've been easily avoided and it getting unleashed was all due to her self selfish, self centered wrecklessness and her wrecklessness literally isn't even funny. I look at the movie as an unfair, huge FU to males, especially Asian males as Podcast clearly friendzoned by Phoebe every since the previous movie all in disfavor to a dead girl who isn't even living. Podcast's only purpose in the movie is solely to exist as cannon fodder for rejection and humiliation. Pathetic...
The whole woke agenda of the movie is anti-male, anti-orthodox and painfully it overshadows any good aspects that there are about it.
@@melody-linkle biased? Sounds like ur butthurt they didn't enjoy it like you. It's okay to have a difference of opinion. Not everyone has to have a 🐏 mindset.
I about spit my whiskey out when you said The Buttercream Gang was as scary as this movie! 😂😂😂
You guys saw that movie?
I mean, I liked it, but I wasn't sure how big the audience was
Oh yeah lol loves that movie growing up
I enjoyed the movie; but I can definitely see your problems with the movie. I felt like they should’ve focused on more of the characters instead of Phoebe being the centre of the movie.
I'd like to see a Freddy Kruger cross over into Ghostbusters.
I wanted to see a big movie, the trailer made me think it'd be big. What we got was maybe 30 minutes of something like a ghostbusters movie and a whole hour of family drama/ middling tv series type plodding along trying to have an overly bloated cast do something.
I'd had got Michael bay to direct and made walter peck a real antagonist where his attitude is 'i'm mayor, i'm gonna deal with this' and he's like 'i'm shutting you down, i got my own team now' In walks these ex- navy seal, alternate logo, alternate ghostbusters with different gear, like theres been an anti-ghostbusters ghostbusters team he's been working towards, they try to take down garraka but all get wiped out.
The movie had good pacing in the start, the end was better (but rushed) but you have this middle hour that needed a lot of rework.
At least we can all agree that Bustin makes you feel good 😮
Nailed this review… was excited going in and happy the movie was made, but it could have been better.. I was giving it a 7.5
This review solidified my decision to skip the theater on this one and wait for it to come to streaming.
This movie lost me when homboy became a fire bender. I was waiting for Aang to show up
Vigo was great. Creepy and the things he was able to do was damn good.
The ghost girl was pointless. Podcast recorded it with his phone and that would have been a better way to push the movie forward. This movie was a mess a mess I say.
I enjoyed this movie for sure, but there were definitely missed opportunities. I give it a solid B.
I will agree, 2016 was a shart in your pants after LGS
Ghostbusters is my favourite film and i'd say Ghostbusters 2 is easy in my top 5, Afterlife was amazing. This one... i think they missed a trick here, the trailer looks awsome and you think its gonna be all out action. I'll have to watch it again at home but yeah... gutted with this. Its like Sony got their claws in to it and ripped it apart.
This is nothing new people this has been happening for years now movies of the 80s or 90s are never gonna have that same comedic charm anymore
This movie is so desperate. It's terrible from start to finish.
Loved it. Clearly your nostalgia goggles could edit your vision
You guys realize they only make these movies to make money, right? Of course they aren’t going to make a 1980s movie in 2024. They want to appeal to as many people as possible.
You realise the 1984 movie made money, right?
weird bc this isn't doing well at the box office. What does that say?
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@@WeWatchedAMovie It has only been out in Cinemas since 22nd Feb that is only 5 days give it a chance to actually get views
@@WeWatchedAMovie It has only been out in Cinemas since 22nd Feb that is only 5 days give it a chance to actually get views
I had a ton of fun at my screening. Everyone laughed and had silly grins on their faces. Both old and young. I thought the story was done well. I just think they could've added a bit more detail in it.
They should have used The Boogieman or Samhain in this movie.
Nadin wasn't necessary.
Saw this last night and enjoyed it. Maybe it's the newness of it, but I think I enjoyed it more than "Afterlife", for the most part (which I enjoyed, as well). I did appreciate the heart "Afterlife" had, though, especially with the Egon stuff at the end. "Frozen Empire", I found, was funnier, and I never felt bored. I absolutely agree that there were too many characters, and another pass or two at the screenplay could have had certain characters written out altogether. And for as many characters as there are, no Dana and no Oscar? That's kind of a bummer. The subplot with Phoebe and Melody was kinda interesting, but I can't say much else without going into spoilers. Once I watch it again on 4K, I will further amass how I really feel about it.
And to be pissed/complaining that "Ghostbusters" is now aimed at kids, and it being a new thing: I've never understood that criticism. "Ghostbusters" has been aimed at kids for almost as long as its inception. With cartoons, figurines and toys, cereals, foods, drinks, Halloween costumes, and everything in between, "Ghostbusters" has been toyetic for almost forty years. This is nothing new.
Right now, I give "Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire" 7/10.
About the whole siding-with-Peck thing, though: that's kinda the point. It's even kinda the point in the original, as well. When you're a kid, you side with Venkman, because he's one of the leads and Bill Murray has charm and charisma, so naturally, you side with him. But watching the film as an adult, you find that Walter Peck is actually in the right: no one knows what kinds of effects the containment unit is having on the City; maybe the Ghostbusters really ARE unleashing harmful chemicals to induce hallucinations so they can save the day and collect a steady paycheque. He may have been dickless about the whole thing, but Peck did have valid points against the Ghostbusters.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
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I never disputed that, at all; I simply shared my opinion on the movie, same as everyone else 😕🤷
@@robinbarker5407 touchy
Totally agree. One point I've been saying Garaka had zero character like the og films have. I felt sleepy a third of the way into this and there was no reason for it. I thought Venkman was unfunny also and I always loved him. That was my issue with it what it could have been is so obvious that it hurts they don't have a clear vision of what it needs to be. I don't think its a kids movie I mean they joke about nipple twisting on a painting and several jokes including the term sex dungeon.
Ghostbusters has always been for kids and teens... what are you guys smoking? If it was for adults we would have never gotten animated series or toys etc... Anyone who watched Afterlife knew mckenna was going to be the main character throughout this new series with Rudd and her mom and brother as the rest of the team. I'm surprised they brought in anyone new at all. There was no need to pass the torch in this movie they did so in afterlife when the kids beat gozer.
But it didn't star kids lol
@@shamrockballs1066 Not to be rude, but that doesn't matter. Overall what this comment explained is still correct. The preference of an adult or a child actor is irrelevant. The girl will get older and become an official Ghostbuster. Afterlife was setting up Phoebe Spengler to take up the legacy her grandfather left behind. These two expected Paul Rudd to be the main focus? The first movie was all about Phoebe and her family. The fact that anyone expected anything different seems more of a personal preference issue. As a fan for twenty years, this was a solid Ghostbuster film. It wasn't perfect but some of the criticisms made in this review are clearly spoken from a place of bias. It's okay to have bias, we all have biased views. But unfortunately this comes off as two fans having had a specific idea of how things were going to go, despite nothing pointing to those ideas, and then being disappointed that their ideas were not implemented.
@@shamrockballs1066 True but movies starring children aren't bad movies either. I'm liking that we actually get to see some 3 dimensional characters and character development now in the movies, which we only really got from the animated series back in the day.
It was not for kids. It was for everyone and skewed adult if anything. But the fact is it was such a cool and fun idea that even kids gravitated towards it and they made awesome toys.
@@melody-linkle Ghostbusters was a comedy/horror which starred adult comic actors. This new incarnation is a family fantasy drama which stars kids. It couldn't be further from Ghostbusters. This is coming from a Ghostbusters fan of over 35 years.
I just enjoyed when the original Ghostsbusters came out
The problem with the movie is it was boring. I understand that the original cast is old, but why couldn't the movie be centered around them? What's up with that ghost girl? Has any ghost ever showed up like that before in a Ghostbusters movie before? How do these kids have such accuracy with the proton packs? I left the theater so disappointed. I was hoping for a Moranis cameo
If that ghost girl Casper shit wasn’t in there I’m sure the ratings from both fans and critics would have been higher. Critics love that forced non-hetero shit but because it was shoehorned into a fielm it didn’t belong in, it’s hard to ignore how boring it was. Pebbly was some execs idea.
Nah
@@Nobody-y5t5j nah what?
@@Aaron-ox8ye IT'S NOT BORING!!
Moranis Cameo is never going to happen as he retired from acting and said he was never going to do another movie of any kind
I’m not frustrated because you’re wrong. I’m frustrated because you’re right. This movie had so much potential, but it just felt like a typical half-assed lazy film (because that’s exactly what it was) Paul Rudd makes it watchable though.
Thanks for your thoughts, fellas!
They're not right.
This movie's great!
@@Nobody-y5t5j That’s your opinion and you’re allowed to it. But for me, as a life-long Ghostbusters fan, no, this most certainly wasn’t great.
Nothing will come close to the original movie ... that movie was lighting in a bottle and it will never be recreated. The second movie, while fine, but was miles behind the OG.
Just wondering are you even old enough to be transported back to 84? Even if you're not your review is spot on, bottom line it's now aimed at youngsters.
I didn't see this movie but I'll see it one day
Would love to see a live action Boogeyman from the Real Ghostbusters
Spot. On. Using villains from The Real Ghostbusters is GENIUS. That show was genuinely terrifying at times because the villains were well thought out characters with personality and were a challenge to beat … unlike the villain in this one.
I hated the ghost girl plot (and I’m a woman BTW. I don’t even consider 2016 Ghostbusters canon). It was so painfully boring. Once we finally got some action, it was over too quickly. The people behind this has got to realize the people buying tickets are the adults who grew up with Ghostbusters, not teen girls. I would 1000% LOVE a Paul Rudd and Kumail Nanjiani as Ghostbusters! I 1000% agree … focus on Paul Rudd’s character and not Phoebe. Teenagers as Ghostbusters is just stupid. We need the focus on the adults. The original Ghostbusters smoked, cussed, and drank. I know they want to get kids into it because that’s where they think the money is but … just make a good movie with Paul Rudd at the center.
They did tell us that this movie took influences from Real Ghostbusters. Just saying 😂