Jack Stand Review - Harber Freight vs. LARIN
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2016
- A comparison between LARIN branded Pin Style jack stands and the Harber Freight ratchet bar style jack stand. With a guest appearance from Goodyear Racing jack stands circa ~2005. Please note, the Goodyear jack stands are no longer in production.
The HF replacement for the recall jacks has deeper grooves in the Post.
Those Good Year stands look like the bees knees, love the combo of the safety pin and the welded on foot plates to prevent them from sinking, hold onto those bad boys. Your opinion on HF vises, jack stands...spot on.
I'm curious what stands you ended up using? You might be interested in the Esco stands, they use the pin-style locking and have flat wide feet that are like a tripod. I also see Pro-lift is selling some double-locking stands that look better than the style you get at similar price points. There is also Hein-Werner- last I looked the cast part was still made in the USA.
On the ratchet jack stand just keep your car jack underneath the carriage too for double support
Excelente ilustración! Gracias.
These are the kinds of videos I look for when I do research
Thanks for the video. I like the Larin's pin through design for supporting the weight. The other two jacks with pawls are only as strong as the amount steel that it can contact with the ratchet tooth.
Good video, well shot.
that HF jack stand is the one with the recall, I took a pair back today. Iam looking at getting a pin style.
also you can insert the pin through the center piece and get 1/2 hole adjustability.
In this case the pins sit on top on the stand base edge.
Do not do this. Richard is wrong. It is not designed to be used like this. It might work but you will not have as high a load capacity.
Very timely video!!!
the 6 ton jack stands part # 61197 has a recall due to failure the number will be on the label on the leg. return it with receipt and get a 20% off coupon the use on the new red jacks stands. DO NOT USE THE JACK IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER LISTED, YOU COULD BE SERIOUSLY INJURED OR KILLED
Reciept is not needed.
@@robertbarth8964 not for money back but for extra 20% coupon unless they can find it in your purchase history
I picked up a set of 6 ton Pittsburgh stands this past weekend. Looked today and found that the pawl on one of the stands only partly engages. The cut that engages the teeth is cut at an angle so that only half actually catches or engages the teeth. I'm glad I caught the defect prior to use. Convinced me to order locking stands instead and inspect the hell out of them prior to use.
Wow scary. I was able to get my 6 ton Harbor Freight jack stands to disengage the pawl when testing it. I raised the adjustable bar and locked the pawl, then put downward pressure on the top of the bar while moving it side to side. Then..... wham! It had enough play to disengage the pawl and drop. These things should be taken off the market in my opinion before someone gets hurt.
Fuck I just bought them. Ive been reading about how shitty the teeth are all over the place now.
Items like that, you should inspect them before leaving the store parking lot so you don't have to make a separate trip back to return or exchange.
Do we really need infinite adjustment? Or any adjustment for that matter?
Old school solid jack stands were good...
You kept saying the material was 3/8", did you mean 3/16"?
David Fiedler they're both 1/8 tube steel. .14 and .16 is 2/100ths of an inch difference.
yeah the Larin is a big no-no. double welds could also weaken the other side and/or weaken the entire weld. these type of things survive because most users will likely not use anywhere near the rated weight. Larin also has the most unsafe rest. The HF does have a lean but none of these stands should be raised to their max heights anyways, it's there but its pretty much unsafe with any.
Doesn't matter, the stress across that region is lower than the welds can withstand.
Good review. Recommendation - no matter what stand you use, add a backup or more under the car at each end. Don't trust any one stand.
Amazon carries "Pro-Lift" 6-ton jack stands that are made just like the GoodYear ones in this video, albeit in a different color.
The Harbor Freight vise is probably their "Central Machinery" line and comes with a 90 day warranty. I consider that line for "light duty" use. If it comes with the "Pittsburgh" name then it comes with a lifetime guarantee. Buyers really need to shop in mind of what its intended use/duty is going to be. Also, for people dissing stuff made in China, everything is made in China now. Factories will make tools for both Harbor Freight and other so called name brands. We sort it out with the help of fine people who make good videos like this!
Apparently you don't buy products, shop at stores, read things on the internet, or even read things in person because no, not everything is made in China now. The cheapest stuff yes, so maybe don't fixate on greed and gravitate towards the cheapest products then act as though buying the cheapest didn't have compromises and that's why it was cheaper?
China makes great quality equipment and tools too, but suppose it's the same quality as US made, then add on the shipping and import fees and nobody would buy it.
@@stinkycheese804 Exactly and I do not understand why they do not actually make a same quality product as a USA or EUROPEAN made at a lower Chinese price. Or even the same price. They obviously have that ability. But no,, they continually make product for lower cost, lower quality, buy out name brand companies all over the world and degrade the quality of those products as well.. They continue to do this even though their manufacturing facilities are all in the 30 year old range compared to the rest of the worlds 80 year old facilities. They have the newest of everything, yet they continually make the worst. When Japan did this same thing to the world back in the 70's they caused a lot of companies to go out of business but as the years went on the quality increased. Look at them now.
0.169" is not about 3/8". It's actually less than 3/16"!
Heh, yeah I was gonna say that from here, the camera doesn't make them look over 1/4" thick.
From the 3 jacks in the video.. The Goodyear is the winner in my book. The racket design is more robust and with the locking pin makes double locking / support.
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my black jackstand is a round as pipe...
i did drill extra hole on the jackstand and more higher height
I’ll buy stuff from Harbor Freight when my life doesn’t depend on the quality of the product.
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whats with all the knives? stabbing wheels? lol good informational video btw! thanks for sharing. :)
Yeah, it seems like a terrible use of wall space when you could have other tools there instead, and only one knife if any. Also while we're on the topic of work space, even better to put a pegboard up and then paint everything white for more light reflection to brighten up the work area.
Must be where he prepares his food
Where can I find a Non Chinese Made Jack Stand please ?
From garage sale...
Not any longer..so sad..
GRAY Manufacturing makes some 7 ton stands. products.grayusa.com/list/id/7-thf
EDIT: Sorry didn't look at post date.
@@Ed70Nova427 have you used them?
@@lilfish1308 Not the 7 ton. I use the 10 and 20 ton version almost daily on heavy equipment. I think the 20 ton stands at the shop are something like 40 years old. They are ugly but basically indestructible. They don't have a ratchet for easy adjustment. They have a large pin that you insert through the center post. Basically there is nothing that can fail once the pin is all the way through and all the weight of the object is placed on top. With something like a backhoe up on 4 stands we can pull the engine using another backhoe or telescopic forklift and never consider knocking it off the stands.
If you have a set of 4, 7ton, GRAY jack stands you will never ever need to replace them. If something happened while up on the stands and you thought they were damaged, you can return them to GRAY manufacturing and they test or refurbish them I think for free. But honestly if you were going to use then at home in your garage, I feel there is no way you can damage them if used only as jack stands. Even if the vehicle was up on the stands and another vehicle accidentally makes contact and knocks it over. I am pretty sure the stands will be unharmed with maybe some scratched paint only. They are that indestructible.
I got 12T omega. They are huge. 19 to 30 inch. I love them.
Very impractical for most people, who own a jack that only goes up to 18" max. Very few jacks under $1000 can hit 30" unless they're generic junk. You'd need a puck just to get them in place, though I bet it's great to have the extra work space under a vehicle.
@@stinkycheese804 i have a lifted truck. They go on axle . I have smaller ones for other applications. Also I use the for suspension work. Where I need to lift and let the suspension hang
@@WilfredCruz Understood but do you extend them out any? If you do, what are you using to raise the vehicle? Can you provide the name of the jack you use? As Stinky Cheese mentioned it must be great to work under a vehicle with 25 to 30"'s of clearence under it in your garage at home.
@@Ed70Nova427 I use a Husky jack that goes to 21 inches. Jack goes on diff while the jack stands go higher because they go on axle or frame. Then I can remove the jack.
@@WilfredCruz aaaah, nice Now I see.
FYI those Pittsburgh stands just got recalled.
Only certain ones. You have to check on their website and see which serial numbers are the ones being recalled. www.harborfreight.com/customer-service-product-support.html#5
I own the 6 ton in red with a serial number on recall. The issue is that the teeth on the faulty jack stand are not deep enough to have a good grip nad have proveen to drop with a good enough knock or hit to the jack stand. The latch also doesn't face downwards at an angle when it locks in place making it very easy to just hit it and it will cause the teeth to lose grip and cause it to collapse. Mine has bigger teeth and the latch at an downward angle.
10TonJackStands: I think these are the jack stands that you want.
www.oreillyauto.com/detail/acdelco-2734/tools---equipment-16488/lift-equipment-16815/jack-stand-18046/jack-stands/34723/2494210/2000/toyota/solara?q=jack+stands
Overpay for oversized jack stands that have a minimum lift height that's higher than most people's jack can lift? I kinda doubt that most people want those. If you have a Dump Truck that you need to jack up, maybe.
I've been thinking of getting the US Jacks, but after seeing this video, I think I'll pass.
While I agree that it's annoying that they didn't do the welds better, I disagree that it would be much of a hassle to re-do them. That would take about 5 mnutes with an angle grinder and wire brush or purpose made disc to strip paint off, 5 minutes to weld, a few minutes to cool and clean, and 5 more to paint. We're talking less time than the length of this video or that it takes to drive to a store and buy them.
Look at it this way - if you feel you have a defective specimen then by all means do return it for a refund, but you seem to be contrasting them with the assumption that they are typical for their brand and model. If that is true then lack of a safety recall should suggest that whether the welds are pretty or not, that they are sufficient for the load rating. HOWEVER, the harbor freight 6 ton manual does state that their 12,000lb rating is "evenly distributed across two jack stands", so in an apples : apples comparison, the HF stands are really 3 ton tall reach stands, not 6 ton stands. I suspect that if they could have rated them 6 tons each without increasing the cost, that they would have done so, implying they are not safe to use at 6 tons each.
Granted, not a lot of people are going to buy a HF 6 ton stand and put more than 3 tons on it. An *entire* Chevy Suburban for example weighs a little under 6000lbs.
Modifying a commercially available product because you can weld better, is a fail. If it does fail, the company who made it originally have every moral right to laugh at you, as they are not free from liability, as some moron re welded them and ruined it.
Its entirely too damn typical to see people who's welding career involves instagram, critisizing the welds of an economically driven, production line welder. The welds are breaking, theyre good enough for the inteded usage. Dont be an instagram moron, just because its not a stack of dimes, doesnt mean its not good enough. GET REAL KIDDO.
*NOW free from libility, and
*the welds AREN'T breaking.
@@cm0cm You must be a city slicker who never built or improved a thing in your life. If it fails, it would have failed because you DIDN'T improve it. Then you are dead, when you could have done something to help yourself instead of pretending that self help is moronic opposed to death.
Son, get off your arse and make something a few hundred times and then you'll appreciate the concept of knowing WTF you're doing instead of depending on someone else for your own safety.
If you cannot weld, then you should not weld. Remember we are not talking about making them from scratch but rather an improvement. You are clearly the "kiddo" to not recognize that the entire world was built on welds, one weld at a time by men who know what they're doing. Obviously you shouldn't do what you can't, nor should you pretend you are fit to advise people who know more than you about welding.
The Pittsburgh is recalled for failures and the possibility it can kill you. The teeth on the cast post are incorrect angle and depth, plus the paw does not make full contact across the face of the teeth in the post. If something jars the vehicle like when putting an engine in and the engine drops to quickly and hits the frame it can pop the paw out of the tooth and it drops to the bottom instead of catching in the next lower tooth, possibly crushing your buddy that's under the vehicle trying to line up the transmission.
If you have the Pittsburgh stands stop using them and return them to Harbor Freight for a new pair. You're allowed to open the box inside HF to inspect the new pair and if you do, you will see right away the difference in quality of the two jack stands.
I haven't seen a UA-cam video yet that actually compares a Hein Werner #HW93506, or an OTC #OTC-1736A, or even a Gray #7-THF to one of these low cost stands. These are real jack stands that the low cost stands copying.
I’m no welder but my welds look better than the ones on those Larin jack stands.....
Probably a good idea to go over all of that MIG wire, that somehow adhered to the metal, with a TIG welder.
I would go with the Larin jacks stands before the other ones. The welds do not need to be across the whole section. Larin needs too spend a little more money and correct the problems and would be a great jack stand though.
that larin looks like a death trap. the legs seem skinny and are angled to where high loads are being put on tiny support bars and those tiny welds all over. the HF jack stand has a 2 piece solid body with two very long weld lines, simple and much safer
a jackstand isn't really safe unless its a double locking 12 ton with its wide support base, and you take an extra step further and weld a steel plate underneath it.. needs to be perfectly flat though. i would recommend doing this with any jackstand.. just double check to make sure you are not compromising the integrity of the jackstand in any possible way by welding the steel plate. i would use quarter inch thickness of plate. it might be a complicated weld, each foot needs to be welded outside and inside, and you might need to preload the stand with several tons of weight before welding.
Andiar Bullsheet Artist. Any jack stand that isn't defective is safe for its rated load. If we want to take this kind of stance about overkill, don't you dare stand up and walk because your legs aren't capable of that much over-capacity all day. Any idiot can just say go to the most extremes possible because they have no clue what is actually needed to get a job done. Don't use a cannon to kill a mosquito.
Andiar please flush or stop talking,.. because you are full of shit
@@stinkycheese804 Seriously. If it was flimsy they can not sell it. Multiple lawsuits over a $25 simple piece of steel breaks a big bank.
If not trustworthy, use 2. Or 2 different ones. Or pay someone else to get under the Mazda Miata and install a fart muffler with rainbow pride stickers on the bumper.
@@andiarrohnds5163 "a jackstand isn't really safe unless its a double locking 12 ton with its wide support base"
Millions of people, doing millions of automotive repairs, disagree. Like any piece of equipment, they require careful use to remain safe. Some millenials arent capable of that.
Why do you need such an excessive number of kitchen knives on your workbench wall? Zombie attacks?
Maybe a jack the ripper wannabe?
@@cadaverdogblix7448 "Jack" the ripper...🤭😂
haha i just had a deja vu
you said it all harbor freight. shops you quality. buy American.
Think of a single 2 ton stand as being 1 ton, a single 4 ton stand as being 2 ton, and a single 6 ton stand as being 3 ton, then you'll be safe, it's your life after all. The quality of these stands leaves a lot to be desired... i would be comfortable putting 2 x 6 ton stands (12 ton combined) under a rear end that weighs 15 ton, the only caveat would be that the stands would need to have been made in the 1970s... far, far, far better steel quality, far far far better engineering, and far far far better quality control!!!
Great idea to save money when your life is at risk....
Buy American!
...just make your own jack stands to your own personal standards and be done with it!
Your time must be worth practically nothing, not to mention that they'd either weigh a ton or else the material alone would cost more than a finished product with the same capacity. On the other hand if you have the scrap steel and the skill to do it, then it's already in your wheelhouse.
For those who are just posting without doing any research, shut up and be more informative before you post. There are certian serial numbers of the HF's Pittsburgh jack stands that are on recall. If you go to www.harborfreight.com/customer-service-product-support.html#5 you can find out which ones they are. I own a pair of 6 ton that are none of these serial numbers, and functions just fine. The latches are fine and so are the teeth unlike the recall ones. And just a safety tip for people who don't know, ALWAYS use a floor jack as a sub support with the jack stands. NEVER rely only on the jackstands. It's also recommended to put your wheels under the car on the sides for even more extra safety measures. It's always better to be extra safe.
This isn't the first time these same 6 ton jack stands have been recalled for safety issues. Last year they where also recalled but I do not know if last years recall is the same batch number. Of course if your numbers don't match the recall numbers you can chance it and continue using them until your numbers come up. My set numbers where matching so I returned them. If my set did not match I would still bring them back for a refund and if denied I would request the denial be in writing with the managers signature and shopping at Harbor Freight would be seriously affected. If you look at the Harbor Freight set of 6 ton replacement stands in comparison, you will see the huge difference in manufacture quality. I took the refund and will use it in store for other purchases. I now own a pair of the 6 ton OTC stands,
www.amazon.com/OTC-1736A-Ratcheting-Jack-Stand/dp/B007QV0XFS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2WNW7HPXJUPCY&dchild=1&keywords=otc+jack+stands+6+ton&qid=1590772962&sprefix=otc+jack%2Caps%2C406&sr=8-3 and in no way are those 6 ton stands that I returned to Harbor Freight anything near as strong as the OTC stands, even though they are rated the same.
It would be cool to watch a video of the failure weight of different brand stands or maybe a video of how the stands are tested and rated at a factory. I am sure the OTC 6 ton stands can hold twice as much weight as those #56371, #61196 and #61197 Harbor Freight stands before they fail. In fact I am sure the Harbor Freight replacement stands can hold twice what the #56371, #61196 and #61197 can hold.
Also the use of a jack stands is NEVER rely only on the jack and ALWAYS use jack stands in pairs on a level surface placing all the weight on them and remove the jack so the pawl is firmly forced into the rack of the jack shaft, locking it in place. If you want to leave the jack under the vehicle in the spot you jacked it up but not touching, is fine and if you want to place the tires under the vehicle is also fine. In the case you have to work under the vehicle, say removing the transmission, rear differential or engine etc., the last thing you want is objects to be in your way, keeping you from maneuvering. So placing four jack stands under the vehicle and then clear the area so your transmission jack can roll under and the work area is free of obstructions is the easiest and safest way to do the job. You have to rely 100% plus, on the stands to hold the vehicle up even when you are pushing, pulling, shoving or prying a crossmember or transmission in or out of place. Even in the event of and earthquake, they have to hold long enough to give everyone time to get out from under the vehicle. And you don't want the jack or the tires in your way when that happens. That is what they are for. This is what they do.
If I were you G34RH34D, I would take a picture of your stands and the next time you are in Harbor Freight take a look at those 6 ton replacement Red and Black jack stands and compare them to the pictures. I think you should also bring your perfectly good stands with you, just in case to change your mind on keeping them.
..I bought 2 pair of the Harbor Freight 3 ton jackstands when they were on sale. When they arrived, I checked them over pretty thoroughly and found some dangerous situatioons with them. I wrote up a review pointing out those problems and HF would not allow me to post it. Here is what I wrote---
I bought 2 pair of these 3-ton rated jack stands on sale for $17 a pair. After they arrived, I took a good, close look at their construction. THESE THINGS ARE UNSAFE AS DELIVERED. The cam pieces that engages the teeth of the vertical support pieces are pinned with a thin walled roll pins that could very easily shear with use. The manufacturer SHOULD have used a solid steel pins instead of the cheap roll pins and produced a far safer product for a few cents more per stand. They did not. Instead they took the CHEAP way out and gave us a potential disaster. But, what do you expect from some of those Chinese manufacturers. Also, the cam pawls, in all 4 stands were installed upside down and can, in no way, function properly. My first reaction was of anger and I was going to return them to HF after a 60 mile round trip to the nearest one, but, after calming down, I've decided to keep them and modify them myself. Here's how:
Let it be known that I'll be doing these mods on my own and will in no way try to hold the manufacturer liable for my work. AND, I DO NOT SUGGEST THAT ANYONE ELSE DO THESE THINGS. If you are not a competent weldor and metal worker......DO NOT TRY THIS. Also, I will not try to hold Harbor Freight liable, either. These things I will do on my own, as my own design and work. Using these stands as the basis for my much stronger ones will be a lot easier than making complete, new units using steel car wheels and/or fixed sections of steel pipe.
I WILL:
(1) Drill out that cheap roll pins and enlarge the holes to accept a section of steel drill rod of at least 5/16 inch in diameter, then rosette weld both ends of the new rod to the cam pall. The heat from the welding will slightly reduce the hardness factor of the new pin to lessen the potential of IT snapping.(extra safety factor). I will also reverse the pawls so that they curve UPWARD to fully engage the teeth in the vertical posts.....the way they SHOULD have been installed at the factory.
(2) Remove the powder coating from the body to about 1/2 inch of either side of the welded seam and weld a bead on the outside face using 7018 low hydrogen, shallow burning welding rods. Then re-coat with a protective paint.
(3) Weld on 12 inch lengths of 2"x2"x1/8" angle iron to the "feet" of each stand to enlarge the footprint for use on compacted soil, should I find the need to do so.
Lastly.....to whomever reviews the reviews for HF before allowing them to be posted.....If you decide to block my full write-up AGAIN, at least please allow the first paragraph to post. It is extremely important that people know about the danger of those weak, cheap, dangerous roll pins.
Garage Geek, I tried to post this review 4 times and it was not accepted. I will point out to you here, that those reversed pawls are probably the main cause for the jackstands' leaning. Those reversed pawls push the posts away, whereas if they are curved upward and engaging the teeth of the posts correctly, those posts would be more vertical.
The roll pins have no bearing on the load handling capabilities of the stand. They only serve to allow the handle to move the pawl. The pawl will still lock in regardless of whether the pin is intact or not. A broken pin only means you can't use the handle to lower the stand. In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Rob is correct on the pin purpose. If the pin would somehow fail the ratchet paw is made in such away that it locks tight. Harbour freight 6ton stands are quite decent.
My understanding is that you want a cheap pin because it is a safety mechanism intended to sheer off if the handle is accidentally raised while bearing a load, leaving the stand locked into place instead of falling down. I see why they didn’t post the comment.
Pawl . . . not paw.
quite a waste of time watching a man basically saying "i don't know" every ten seconds. God.
Far too much effort to state what most can plainly see. For Gods sake learn to use your vernier calipers, a kid can recognise that nothing here is 3/8". Ultimately you should have load tested to twice the rated capacity.
Change the system of capitalism and train people to do a better welding job in Europe Corporation have Class to teach people in my time how to weld. in the US Profit first Class teaching cost $ so Capitalism need $ LOL this is why we have all make in China for big $ the old make US disappear look at Detroit what Capitalism did it's look like a air raid War over Michigan Bravo America .
Excelente ilustración! Gracias.