Because Texas has had a terrible strength of schedule so Arkansas is one of their biggest wins but that isn’t saying a lot. Same way Indiana beating Washington isn’t that great overall but is good for their schedule
As a non TN fan you are absolutely right. The system is flawed and bias. Watch A&M beat Texas and Texas still get in over TN somehow. It’s all about brand. Funny how they somehow value a win over GA to be higher than a win vs Bama (who beat GA).
I think it’s irrelevant since one of those teams has 2 losses, frankly ole miss lost to Kentucky too there schedule sucks all they did was beat georgia who also has 2 losses they aren’t exactly worth gifting a spot to ole miss in the top 10
Shoutout to Pat McAfee who was the only one on College Gameday that picked the Sun Devils > Kansas State while Desmond Howard and the others laughed it off 😂🔱
College footballs talent discrepancy doesn’t allow a Cinderella to have a shot in hell at winning a national title game. The big 12 champ and Boise being in there is just for shits and giggles, we have two super conferences, acc maybe semi decent and big 12 is a junior varsity football conference in comparison to the SEC and big ten
Because it’s more definitive in football which team is better. Basketball is all a matter of which team can get hot and make shots so there’s always a chance. No one wants to see Georgia play BYU. Georgia would win by 40.😂
As a oregon fan I can say same because the only loss Boise had is against oregon and they barely won. It's not like you lost against a unranked team like Alabama
@@calebwines967and yet we, (Tennessee) beat Alabama, whose ranked 7th, and got beat by a combo of Georgia & the officials this past weekend, yet our “bad loss” (At Arkansas) is considered as a “good win” for Texas, who actually got whooped on the field against Georgia, and that game was in Austin, whereas UT got screwed by the refs in order to lose by 14 in Athens. Their “logic” sounds FAR more like “bias” at this stage of the game.. Michigan AD is the head of the committee, for fucks sake
Conference Realignment has completely ruined the Strength of Schedule argument. Before teams would’ve played the majority of their conference in the regular season, now it’s highly unlikely any team will play even half of its conference. And if the scheduling God’s look down on them, they could avoid the toughest teams in their conference. Strength of Schedule no longer feels like a fair data point.
That kinda makes the point for strength of schedule mattering more though right? What would UGA or Bama’s record look like if they played Miami’s schedule? Penn State’s best win is a Wisconsin team that got smoked by Bama.
@@trevorludwig5053I think a computer would still be biased if the person inputting the data says that X conference is the toughest conference so their wins/loses should have a bigger impact. To be fair, I don’t know how information is out in the system other than a person putting in the data, I.e. WSU has 30 5star players on their roster should make WSU a tough team. Using WSU cause any other team would get more comments that would detract from this post. And I’m a Coug fan. So I can dream. 😂
I'm surprised they didn't mention how ND doesn't even have to play in a conference championship bc they're independent. I think it should be no conference, no post season.
I love it how SMU controls its own destiny in getting to the ACC title game and has a solid chance to win it but is never getting any respect with any of the talking heads
@@cr3070BYU got bailed out against Utah and then lost to Kansas. They should have 2 bad losses and the committee is treating them as such, meanwhile SMU has a good loss
I hate that SMU had the most cupcake schedule though. They literally haven't beaten a single top 10 caliber team. I'd say the closest they had was Louisville of the teams they beat but if they beat BYU I'd have no complaints. As it is though they at least have the chance to prove it in the ACC championship to your point.
Idk why people thought expanding the playoff would make the debates go away. With such a subjective rating system teams are ALWAYS gonna feel left out.
When there were 2, we thought there should be 4. Then #5 and #6 complained, so we expanded to 12, and that's not enough. Maybe we need to expand to a field of 64 like in college basketball. They can play for a whole month!!
Y'know. Every single other level of college football has just a regular ass bracket (with the first eight seeds clinchable I think?), and they play it through till you get a title game, and a winner. Why the FBS has always thought it's so high and mighty has always been beyond me.
The SEC and ACC have wanted a playoff since the 90's but the Big 10 and Big 12 said it would favor the SEC too much. Instead we got the BCS and the SEC winning more than the other conferences combined.
As an alum from an FCS school, the chaos of this CFP bracket makes my heart warm. There might be one or two seedings that are head scratchers each year, but in the end, the bracket will correct itself.
FBS has a far greater gap in spending on football amongst programs. This is a business, the teams that actually put money into football should be favored.
Alabama should schedule more Mercers if the strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Their best non conference win (@Wisconsin) is going to be Penn State’s best win all regular season
@buckfan125 exactly, I'm not a fan of sec playing 8 but they have never been penalized for doing and have no incentive to change. Also just mouthing the conference has no merit based on the success it's had in the last quarter century. They've had a 50% of producing the national champ in that timespan
Until FBS divorces itself from the Associated Press, this will never be solved. Every other college football division has a normal playoff structure, just like every other college sport. Conference champions and a couple wildcards, done. No AP rankings, no strength of schedule BS, just the best of the best.
FCS I know for sure has a ranking system, but I agree, FBS needs a way to play in for every single team. There should be a way for each and every team to start the season 0-0 and know what they have to do to guarantee a trip to the playoffs
What a novel concept? It’s almost as if every other sport on this planet does it this way. But how would the SEC and B1G keep dominating if everyone has equal access to the playoffs?? We can’t allow that to go away
@@cr3070How many times do you fans have to watch the smaller schools get murder by BIG10 team or more so an SEC team before you realize that this isn’t about a bias, it’s about elite talent, elite coaching, and elite programs. There are teams in the bracket right now that haven’t played a single team in the top 20-25 and you want to bring in more teams like that? Sorry but I hate watching bad football. Elite teams don’t play bad football.
But the AP rankings have nothing to do with the CFP. The rankings for the CFP are done by a selection committee that doesn’t include anyone from the AP. Catch up buddy, you’re 20 years behind the times.
How ever this plays out, this is better than last year. Some teams might feels slighted, but they wouldn't even be a whisper last year. And if you weren't one of the four teams in the playoffs, half your stars probably sat out for the bowl game
I think there will definitely be some fuckery with the final rankings bc the committee is going to rank teams 5-12 with matchups and the bracket in mind. So I think the only part that really matters for those teams are if you in the 5-8 group that gets to host a game or if you’re in the 9-12 group that has to go on the road…
This is absolutely going to be the case. They’re going to fudge things around to keep SEC teams from having to play the B10 up north in the middle of December. And to make sure each one makes the most money possible!!
The fact that yall are saying “Miami fans are pissed because they have a bad draw and may have to play Georgia” should be proof that Miami should not be ranked ahead of Georgia. No problem with Bama and ole miss being ahead of UGA. But notre dame, Penn state, and Miami is a stretch
Texas shouldn't be the #1 Sec. I know they have the best record but they have played the weakest SEC schedule with 5 of their 6 SEC wins coming from the bottom 8 teams in the SEC. I guarantee they will lose to Texas A&M in 2 weeks. It will be A&M and Georgia in the Title Game.
@ for sure, I’m saying I can atleast hear the argument of having bama and ole miss ahead of them (especially ole miss). I was suprised by how much bama moved up. Despite that 1st quarter UGA dominated them and they also lost to Tennessee. I feel bad for UT fans, looks like head to head wins didn’t mean much for them
In prior years I’d agree, but this year, what am I missing, is there any west coast teams outside of Oregon worth mentioning? They all suck, this isn’t a CMC robbery situation lol.
Why would any team ever play a difficult schedule ever again. After watching Georgia play a IMPOSSIBLY tough schedule with relative success just to be ranked behind teams with cupcakes schedule. Bama beats Mercer and moves up 3 spots, Georgia beats #7 Tennessee barely move up at all.
The Georgia schedule is so overrated it’s wild. Texas hasn’t played a soul outside of Georgia, bama lost to vandy a bad team, ole miss lost to Kentucky and lsu, and Tennessee has been shut out for 2 total games if you combine all the halves they’ve been shut out. The sec is a good conference but they are VASTLY overrated.
@@Justyouraveragetrashcan Overated? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ So we have played the #1, #4, #7, #15, and #16 at that current time… Who has your team played again? I will wait…
@@Justyouraveragetrashcan - What conference do you think is not overrated? Please don't say the ACC or Big Ten with an Indiana whose SOS is 106th. What ranked team has Penn State beaten? What ranked team has Miami beaten?
I'm a SCarolina grad but was shocked at the Nov 13 Sec network show.Finebaum uttered a bogus score and graph lying on Indiana Charlotte 20-15 real score 52-14 graphic Indiana WIlllinois 31-17 it was 77-6 Indiana.Pat u wouldn't lie like Fanni Willis and the Sec network.😢
I thought the bracket projections were supposed to represent "if the tournament started today" - based on the current rankings, and excluding games yet to be played
At this point just make it a march madness type of tournament with the top 25 teams making the tournament. "Shorten" the regular season to like 8/9 games and have a weekly elimination game with the losers playing in other bowl games. (I have no idea if this would work lmaooo this is all out the ass)
Unfortunately they won’t their schedule is crap and they don’t bring enough eyes (money) The service academies have to much going against them especially recruiting IMO But as a vet I’ll always half ass cheer for those officers in training
Conman says Clemson is probably gonna win out?? They have to go through South Carolina.. And a South Carolina wins how is that not enough to put them in?
NIL is going to redistribute talent away from the SEC and make college football as a whole more competitive across the board. SEC powerhouses aren't going to be able to recruit as deep of a team as other schools are able and willing to pay for that talent sitting back waiting on their turn. Promise them NIL deals and a starting role? Boom. Transferred. The south should get used to having good teams come out of other conferences bc it's gonna happen more often.
so you're admitting that the 12 team playoff was designed to keep the SEC out of the national championship.... So old money teams like Notre Dame, and Indiana can get some affirmative action
Uhhhhh.... what money difference. Just for an example, Iowa's college football budget is ~140 million and Bama's is ~130 million. There is no money advantage.@@masondraughon2589
@@georgelucas2571 they will continue to get the kids they always get. SEC schools aren’t going to all of sudden going to lose top talent because of NIL when the SEC schools have more.
I don't get why you would want the CFP committee to make that projection on your behalf? Until selection Sunday, their job is just to rank the teams. Not make a cool graphic that projects who is going to be included in and win their conference championship games. They don't even know who will be in the SEC championship right now, so why would their ranking make that projection in a bracket?
100% agree! Not sure who wants a ranking committee to make predictions on future games… makes no sense. Basically saying the committee should put Oregon ranked 5 if they think they will lose the Big Ten championship game? In what world does that make sense!?!?
Yeah, Pats rant about this makes no sense. ESPN fake bracket means nothing. No ones making them make it. The committees job is to rank teams, not guess whose going to win in the future. ESPN should show the rankings every week, and not show a bracket, complaining about a problem they created themselves lmao.
As a Penn State alumni, does anyone in the world think Penn State or Indiana beat a UGA, Alabama, or Tennessee? Penn state struggled against Bowling Green for crying out loud…the Big 10 is a great conference, but you cant convince me it’s better than the SEC. Also, can anyone believe Florida State is getting snubbed for a second year in a row? Come one committee, how can you do that to the Seminoles?
BS on PSU alumnus! Furthermore SEC is very mediocre this year. And everyone has a bad game or two a year. How did Oregon look against Wisconsin? So by your logic since they struggled they wouldn't stand a chance against 2 loss Alabama who lost Vanderbilt and a two loss Georgia or Tennessee. You're being foolish so just stop.
@@suncoastfishing6672 are you really telling me I didn’t graduate from Penn State? It’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re stupid, rather than to open it and let everyone know you are. Speaking of foolish, you should learn to proofread before calling someone else foolish…go waste someone else’s time chief
When it was Florida State last year, no one but Florida State fans were upset by them getting shafted out of the playoffs when they had 0 losses. Just wait until your 0 or 1 loss team is outvoted by the CFP ESPN monopoly so 6 SEC teams can get in
And the 4-6 SEC teams would likely wipe the floor with their matchup unless it’s an Ohio State, Oregon type team. Even a somewhat weakened TN team demolished Clemson and Iowa last couple years, and TN isn’t even the pinnacle of the SEC
@@rayyL95 Yeah, they are levels above, because every year the CFP and ESPN pay the teams millions based on if they are selected to go to the college football playoff semifinals (when it was only 4 teams), more money to the conference if they go to the national championship and for every non-championship bowl game they get a few million as well. Well, considering the SEC is constantly selected for every playoff and damn near all of them go to a major bowl game over everyone else too, I wonder how they got so far ahead?
@@rayyL95 If what you say is true (and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) then they need their own playoffs just for them. The rest of the FBS can have their own playoffs. As is, the expansion was created to "give everyone a shot" (not my words), yet potentially undefeated/ one loss teams could be left out in favor of a SIXTH SEC team. What needs to happen? Does everyone in the SEC need FOUR losses? It's just not ever going to happen. The current expansion isn't fixing anything... In fact, it might be making it worse.
Notre Dame shouldn't even be ranked. They definitely shouldn't be anywhere close to being in the conversation for the playoffs. Strength of schedule should be the thing that matters the most for teams that aren't their conference champion. Any conference that doesn't play for their conference championship shouldn't get a automatic bid for their "champion".
Should be some form of math based elo ranking that effectively grants points to winners of games based on how good the team you beat was and ranks teams on how many ranking points they've earned by winning games against good teams. Then automatic bids for certain conference champions and fill in the bracket with the highest ranked teams.
The rankings are a mess, but the only real solution is to implement a computer-style system that objectively uses pre-determined criteria to rank the college football landscape and field the 12-team playoff. Of course everyone hated that when we had it (BCS).
I was going to say, everyone hated that. A computer can’t tell how good a team is. People that watched and understands football should be the ones that decide. Maybe use a BCS style system but only use that as data, not the end all be all
IMO this has been the most exciting season of CFB during my lifetime. Die hard PSU fan. But, I love underdogs and the possibility of a Cinderella Story!
As a PSU fan, I would like really like to know if you think you guys are a legit top 5 team in the country. Because I have a hard time seeing it after multiple slim wins against mediocre teams and the SOS
@Jciatt1997 if we're going by sos, Penn State is higher than: Texas, Oregon, Clemson, BYU, Miami, AZ St, IA St, Colorado, Boise St, Notre Dame, SMU, Tulane, UNLV, Wash St, IU, and Army. That's 16 of the Top 25, and Penn State would still in the CFP. IMO, the real issue right now is the average fan's understanding of wins and losses to unranked teams and how they effect more than just 1 week of the year.
@@JayTide Check the ratings Bro... People been watching EVERY Colorado game no matter WHO they play. People would definitely tune in to this one to see who wins... (So they can know which team is gonna get blown out by an SEC team next week!) lol
Why do people keep saying if clemson beats miami theyll get in they dont play them at all if smu wins this week it will be miami smu for the conference championship
Nah if smu wins this weekend smu clinches a spot in the championship game. But there's still scenarios where Clemson can get in over miami. For example if miami loses to wake forest and Clemson wins out miami is out. Miami can't clinch a spot this weekend.
@eugeneperry8347 yeah I get that, all these sports shows and stuff are saying miami vs clemson for conference championship like they forget smu is in the acc
College Football needs a massive face lift. - Split D-1 into two tiers (Tier 1/2). - Tier One is the 64 best teams, split into 8 conferences (8 Teams in each). - They play 7 conference games and 5 non-conf. - No conf championship, just the best 12 or 16 teams into the playoff (pity bowl games for the rest of the teams) - The worse team out of 64 gets demoted to tier two each year - the champ of tier two gets promoted, and is given some recruiting boost to help them adjust (maybe even make them immune from demotion for one or two years)
Anyone who has played a CFB dynasty is on board with this. There needs to be relegation but the blue bloods will never in a million years agree to this
It’s all about the $ now. The longhorns have already bought their way into the national championship game. I know people want to make a living with talk shows and to try to keep things interesting, but the obvious is the obvious. If your favorite team is not one of the wealthiest programs, you’re wasting your time rooting for irrelevance.
@@MichaelJohnson-hw4mc Do I need to remind you what happened the last time Duck fans told Boise State they were going to destroy them? Also Oregon was a 22 point favorite IN THE GAME earlier this year...... So you throwing a 14 point spread really doesnt mean anything. Oregon has been favored in every single game theyve played against Boise and they are 1-3 all time against them.
If army can beat Notre dame and get in that would be awesome. There’s something about watching a team that clearly isn’t as talented as all the others execute their game plan well enough to be competitive.
i play NCAA Football 25 and that clearly uses a computer program to project the bracket. im assuming the ncaa uses the same program for real life. week 12,13,14,15 the bracket in the video game is always screwed up. for example a team ranked 22 would be first seed because of where they rank in the conference or something like that. i know not to take those projected rankings seriously. but when it comes time to place seeds and actually create the bracket, it all works out. now there is a bit of oddity when it comes to independent teams.
I will say this: While Pat has somewhat of a point about the CFP Committee’s rankings on Tuesdays, to say ESPN doesn’t have a MASSIVE voice and influence in public perception of these teams (particularly the SEC teams) is a bit misleading.
This is why postseason NCAA FBS football is a joke. There's no objective metric on how teams are ranked and how they determine a team gets a playoff spot. And with conferences having 20 teams now, there's no way strength of schedule can be objective either. This will get even more controversial too as more schools get more competitive because of the NIL and transfer portal.
I’m so confused. We did this because these teams DIDNT play each other outside of their conference. Now they’re forced to play each other week in and week out and now it’s a problem?
There is no amount of teams in a playoff that will solve all of this drama. You just kick the can down the road with expansion so the debate is between worse and worse teams until, like March Madness, it hardly matters who's on the bubble because they're so far removed from the teams that could actually win it all.
@@tylorarcher8439Non conference games are scheduled 5-8 years in advance. No idea what a your program or another program is gonna look. Unlike college basketball who schedules non conference games yearly
@@SixGodHobbsso you’re telling me Alabama decided to play against Who cares University because they thought these would be fantastic team when they play them? 😂
@ put the pipe down. Alabama lost to Vandy and they lost to Kentucky, and those are two of the worst teams in the SEC. But that don’t matter when you have the head to head victory. That’s #1
Here's how to fix the CFP bracket conundrum: No more than 1 loss to get in the CFP. All P4 conferences must play a team from another P4 conference and 1 from a group of 5 (all other games must be in-conference games). Only ONE small school (and that has to be one of the first 2 games).
Just wait until A&M beats Texas and they somehow justify putting Texas in over TN. It’s all about bias and brand names. I hate TN but they deserve to be in. One of the best defenses in the country and great run game
@@DennisFeinsteinCEOyet ND beat Texas A&M and those guys are going through a lot of the SEC. Being in the SEC doesn’t magically make their teams better.
@@Ceece20 And? A&M isn't a good team, by a LONG shot. They've had the weakest SEC schedule and good molly-whopped by SC??? Beating A&M isn't a quality win.
Sadly, it comes down to who can avoid the tough teams and go with less losses. UGA is not rewarded for having the toughest schedule and 3-2 against top tier teams.
Georgia is getting punished for playing a strong strength of schedule. The have the most quality wins. They have the highest ranked wins. The have the highest ranked losses. They get no credit for the tough schedule and opening up the season by playing Clemson. Georgia should never schedule tough out of conference games again. When teams like Indiana and Miami have a poor in conference schedule and then schedule trash out of conference and get rewarded for it, why should anyone schedule tough out of conference. Georgia should be the highest rated 8-2 team and probably ranked over ND, Indiana and Miami. This is a cluster.
Wouldn’t be the first time. They hate and disrespect Georgia when Georgia arguably has the toughest schedule. Sounds like the committee would prefer wins with cupcake teams. Ridiculous
A loss is a loss, quit complaining. Either win your conference or accept the low cfp spot. If the SEC is so much better, then you shouldn’t have an issue with them proving it on the field. Better team is going to prevail regardless, no reason to complain about a ACC champ being a top 4 seed if you think a lower ranked team will beat em. That’s what football is all about, not sos bs.
@@southernsunshine1149NCAA and committee shot themselves in the foot with the FSU snub. You can’t whine about SOS (especially when Michigan won with the 50th sos) with non sec teams when we just had a 13-0 ACC champ, whom scheduled multiple sec games for their schedule (LSU with a Heisman, UF, don’t blame them that these sec teams sucked) their decision gave teams ZERO incentive to schedule tough games.
Once the field was increased to 12 all teams not in the top 12 can go home and deal with it. I don't care who you played or if you would make a better match up. if you lost 2 or more games get out.
Anyone putting any stock into these cfp projections, and are getting bent out of shape, just need to stop. There are 2-3 more games for the majority of these teams left to play. It will sort itself out and to add fuel to the fire. Conference champions over any team that finishes 4th or even 3rd in their conference
Everyone is beatable there’s no elite team this year but to not have them as the team to beat bc of a close win vs Wisconsin when everyone else has a very similar win or even loss in that type of game is crazy
They definitely could lose the big 10 chip but then they’d be the 5 seed which is a lot easier road then the 1 seed to the semi final if u want to pick them to lose to the big 12 winners or Boise at home be my guest meanwhile the 1 seed would face potentially Notre Dame Georgia bama
I don't like teams getting a first round BYE just for winning their conference Championship. If you're in a bad conference you get the benefit of being ahead of a someone in a tougher Conference like SEC or Big 10!?
all fkd because it should be conference champions only. This bs bracket has already devalued conference championship games and even put the scenario out there of dipping on the game to save players.
@@landonwilcox1837 god that would be horrible. So we get a lot of average teams get in again and get destroyed? Yeah that sounds like a great playoff. Can’t wait to watch. So we’ll get JVST play against Oregon. Miami(Ohio) would play Texas. Let’s get UL in too. Why not they won their conference. My god, I’m getting so excited. It doesn’t devalue the conference win. If you win your conference, you can get one of 4 bye week. It’s not perfect but it’s a better system then what you have in place
You’re going to have that regardless. IMO if you cant win your conference you shouldn’t have a shot at a Natty. Lets be real doing it this way would eventually lead to conference realignment back to regions so the power houses would be able to punch their ticket without having to fight through a gauntlet of a schedule like the SEC schools are now.
Under the current system structure any team having played an extra conference game (title game) should get a bye. But the number of slots doesn’t allow for that.
Such BS that SEC and BigTen get to hog 8 out of 12 playoff spots. Who says that these leagues are better than ACC/Big12? Strength of schedule is a circle jerk of assumptions.
That seems to make sense, but then Texas shouldn't be ranked ahead of Georgia in that case. Yet they are. Because the committee is only consistent in its inconsistency.
@@irishamerican1974FSU started their 3rd string freshman QB and every one of the 11 draft picks did not play….. Only a casual would think that was a real game. It was a boycott.
Should have neverr had more than 10 teams in a conference. That way they had to play all teams in conference. THis loading up teams makes it easier for teams to get weaker schedule do to so many teams added to conference. The Pac 10 id gone now. Southwest conference is gone now. So many of great history is destroyed for money. Big 8 could have made 10 to save it. This whole setup is screwed.
They get by name alone. They lost to a terrible team, played a couple mid teams (A&M and Louisville), and played a group of weak teams... anyone else with this schedule would not be under consideration.
Don't blame Notre Dame for going into TAMU and beating them by double digits. And why single out Notre Dame? Who has Texas beat? Who has Penn State beat? When is Indiana going to play a ranked team? And when they finally get around to doing it, will it matter when they lose? This is not a "Notre Dame problem".
@@John_Hoover because Notre dame is the most mediocre of them all . If any teams doesn’t deserve to be on this list it’s them , every year they are given a spot or ranking and every year they play someone like bama or UGA or Texas or Ohio state and get blown out the water
I would also like the SEC to explain, in some process detail, how Texas got the schedule they got while Florida got the schedule they got. Because the difference is massive, and it affects the whole national bracket. Maybe not this year with Florida being pretty bad, but as time goes on that sort of thing can't continue. And other teams have a similar case: compare Oklahoma to Missouri, just as another example.
Florida was a crap team no matter the schedule. With that being said, Texas was purposely given a soft schedule to reward them for coming to the SEC. They’ve had one hard game - Georgia - and that was a home game which they lost. SEC office put their fingers on the scales yet again.
@@SwampCritter-df4od, I agree with you. It’s like the SEC office wanted to force the records to be similar and guarantee all teams with 2 loses. The SEC is run by Alabama people.
The playoff committee always screw GA over. During the 4-team playoff, they left GA out with one loss because they weren't the conference champ. Then let Bama in the following year even though Bama didn't even play in the Conference Championship game. Same thing happened to GA last year. Then they talked about strength of schedule. Now that GA has the best strength of schedule in the nation, they're going based off wins and losses. The committee is a joke. It's full of mainly Big 10 biased people anyway.
@dilly70533 GA was still one of the best 4 teams last year. If they had gotten in, they would've won the Natty. They were just unlucky to have a bunch of injured starters when they played Bama. By the time the playoff came around, those starters were all healthy.
It should have ZERO to do with a conference, it should have everything to do with the 12 BEST teams. Not most deserving, best eye test, or other subjective metric.
@@dariuswilliams3206 not at all, do not use any ranking data, just wins losses, opponents wins losses, yards and points for off and def, and maybe turnover margin. Then you can use data for all 134 teams and get a real metric with no bias or rankings, just in the field game data
Even if strength of schedule is a current major data point, it's best that they don't use that in the short term. Over the long term talent will even out over various conferences and this is better for college football.
As a TN fan. How is Arkansas a good win for Texas but a bad loss for TN? This whole system makes no sense
And losing at Arkansas is worse than losing at home to Kentucky (Ole Miss)
Because Texas has had a terrible strength of schedule so Arkansas is one of their biggest wins but that isn’t saying a lot. Same way Indiana beating Washington isn’t that great overall but is good for their schedule
As a non TN fan you are absolutely right. The system is flawed and bias. Watch A&M beat Texas and Texas still get in over TN somehow. It’s all about brand. Funny how they somehow value a win over GA to be higher than a win vs Bama (who beat GA).
Because Texas is the real UT
I think it’s irrelevant since one of those teams has 2 losses, frankly ole miss lost to Kentucky too there schedule sucks all they did was beat georgia who also has 2 losses they aren’t exactly worth gifting a spot to ole miss in the top 10
Only 3 teams are undefeated and one is a military school what a year
Go Army! BEAT NOTRE DAME!
Bro if army beats Notre Dame I’m hedging $5k on every game after that. I stand to make $80k if they can make it to the championship lol
I can't wait for the Army v Navy matchup😤
@@MrDoWork210put army at #1 if they beat notre dame just for a week out of respect
@@johnhicks8626 Only way that happens is if the US Army stops the ND buses from arriving to the stadium.
Eye Test = The committee can do whatever they want to, regardless of common sense and facts.
yep. "they were good in every game except the most recent one, we'll forgive this mishap"
Amen!
The eye test saved us from seeing FSU get annihilated by anyone in the playoffs last year.
Someone is crying too hard
THIS!
Shoutout to Pat McAfee who was the only one on College Gameday that picked the Sun Devils > Kansas State while Desmond Howard and the others laughed it off 😂🔱
Forks up
Sec fan here but I been saying last few weeks asu was being slept on. Nice run this yr like seeing them do well.
This weekend will be the biggest game in a decade for ASU. I’ll be glued to the TV rooting on my Devils!
Desmond Howard was too stupid to know the teams are both good, lol
As an Oregon fan, I hate that I support ASU now
With the transfer portal and coaching carousel, it’s a lot harder to predict strength of schedule in the off season.
This why the almighty first AP Poll actually matters 😂😂
I just don’t get it. They want the tournament like basketball but are so afraid of a Cinderella story.
elitist thinking governs the ncaa football world.
Because there won’t be one
This is just how the politics of college football rankings works, win/loss record isn't good enough.
College footballs talent discrepancy doesn’t allow a Cinderella to have a shot in hell at winning a national title game. The big 12 champ and Boise being in there is just for shits and giggles, we have two super conferences, acc maybe semi decent and big 12 is a junior varsity football conference in comparison to the SEC and big ten
Because it’s more definitive in football which team is better. Basketball is all a matter of which team can get hot and make shots so there’s always a chance. No one wants to see Georgia play BYU. Georgia would win by 40.😂
Seeing Boise State in the playoff mix again just brings me joy. And I hope they don't screw it up again.
Again! Please explain?
The State of Idaho will come unglued if Boise State wins the natty.
As a oregon fan I can say same because the only loss Boise had is against oregon and they barely won. It's not like you lost against a unranked team like Alabama
@@calebwines967and yet we, (Tennessee) beat Alabama, whose ranked 7th, and got beat by a combo of Georgia & the officials this past weekend, yet our “bad loss” (At Arkansas) is considered as a “good win” for Texas, who actually got whooped on the field against Georgia, and that game was in Austin, whereas UT got screwed by the refs in order to lose by 14 in Athens. Their “logic” sounds FAR more like “bias” at this stage of the game.. Michigan AD is the head of the committee, for fucks sake
@@JohnWilliams-mt6fx Early 2010's BSU had a great team.
Conference Realignment has completely ruined the Strength of Schedule argument. Before teams would’ve played the majority of their conference in the regular season, now it’s highly unlikely any team will play even half of its conference. And if the scheduling God’s look down on them, they could avoid the toughest teams in their conference. Strength of Schedule no longer feels like a fair data point.
Why doesn’t it matter who a team played?
@@robjohnston1712are you serious?
@@BiggieAEnjoyer69 me not know :)
Tell Georgia
That kinda makes the point for strength of schedule mattering more though right? What would UGA or Bama’s record look like if they played Miami’s schedule? Penn State’s best win is a Wisconsin team that got smoked by Bama.
Coaches should not be allowed on this committee ITS ALREADY COMPROMISED!
So keep all the ADs that are currently employed and kick off the 3 coaches that aren't active?
Not only coaches but the AD at Michigan who were penalized for cheating last year as this was being planned.
no active ADs or coaches should be there. We should go back to a computer system where there is no biases at all.
@@trevorludwig5053I think a computer would still be biased if the person inputting the data says that X conference is the toughest conference so their wins/loses should have a bigger impact.
To be fair, I don’t know how information is out in the system other than a person putting in the data, I.e. WSU has 30 5star players on their roster should make WSU a tough team.
Using WSU cause any other team would get more comments that would detract from this post. And I’m a Coug fan. So I can dream. 😂
@@DerekDeJong-kp9ll It's funny that UM is not good this year without cheating.
Someone should tell Boston Connor that Miami isn’t going to play Clemson. I don’t think he knows that SMU is undefeated in the ACC
SMU is getting no respect
He’s a clown
Isn’t SMU 9-1? They’ll be in the championship game 100%
@ only lost to BYU. Beat undefeated at the time Duke and best ranked Pitt and Louisville
I'm surprised they didn't mention how ND doesn't even have to play in a conference championship bc they're independent. I think it should be no conference, no post season.
I love it how SMU controls its own destiny in getting to the ACC title game and has a solid chance to win it but is never getting any respect with any of the talking heads
They’re literally ranked above the team they lost to
@@cr3070BYU lost to Kansas and barely beat SMU 🤣
@@cr3070BYU got bailed out against Utah and then lost to Kansas. They should have 2 bad losses and the committee is treating them as such, meanwhile SMU has a good loss
I hate that SMU had the most cupcake schedule though. They literally haven't beaten a single top 10 caliber team. I'd say the closest they had was Louisville of the teams they beat but if they beat BYU I'd have no complaints. As it is though they at least have the chance to prove it in the ACC championship to your point.
Smu Is terrible that's why
Idk why people thought expanding the playoff would make the debates go away. With such a subjective rating system teams are ALWAYS gonna feel left out.
I’ve seen figure skating competitions be more objective than this.
Who thought playoff expansion would end debate?
@@bobdibenedetto5891because of sec bias.... nobody outside the sec thinks them beating each other makes them good.
@@bobdibenedetto5891all you have to do is look at 2017, and the bias is obvious
When there were 2, we thought there should be 4. Then #5 and #6 complained, so we expanded to 12, and that's not enough. Maybe we need to expand to a field of 64 like in college basketball. They can play for a whole month!!
Y'know. Every single other level of college football has just a regular ass bracket (with the first eight seeds clinchable I think?), and they play it through till you get a title game, and a winner. Why the FBS has always thought it's so high and mighty has always been beyond me.
Its not that the conference commishers wanted special caveats to agree to a format
Politics
The SEC and ACC have wanted a playoff since the 90's but the Big 10 and Big 12 said it would favor the SEC too much. Instead we got the BCS and the SEC winning more than the other conferences combined.
As an alum from an FCS school, the chaos of this CFP bracket makes my heart warm. There might be one or two seedings that are head scratchers each year, but in the end, the bracket will correct itself.
FBS has a far greater gap in spending on football amongst programs. This is a business, the teams that actually put money into football should be favored.
TN just needs a "Any Given Saturday" to happen in the next 2 weeks
You'll always be Campions of Life.
@@chuck7952 Butch Jones...the Coach that keeps on giving. Brick by brick. :(
@@chuck7952 bring out the trashcan
@@chuck7952lucky for us, at least we can spell *champions*
If SEC wants the respect they think they have then I don’t ever want to see Alabama play fuckin Mercer ever again.
How they fared in the entirety playoffs didn't earn it?
Alabama should schedule more Mercers if the strength of schedule doesn’t matter. Their best non conference win (@Wisconsin) is going to be Penn State’s best win all regular season
Those games will never go away. That’s how schools like Mercer keep their sporting programs alive. It certainly isn’t because of ticket sales
@buckfan125 exactly, I'm not a fan of sec playing 8 but they have never been penalized for doing and have no incentive to change. Also just mouthing the conference has no merit based on the success it's had in the last quarter century. They've had a 50% of producing the national champ in that timespan
Nah when their teams play teams like usc, okst, and Notre Dame, they lose. Mercer much more conducive to making the playoffs
The moral of the story is that no matter what happens, we can guarantee that the SEC will find something to cry about.
cant help we are the best by far get better
Until FBS divorces itself from the Associated Press, this will never be solved. Every other college football division has a normal playoff structure, just like every other college sport. Conference champions and a couple wildcards, done. No AP rankings, no strength of schedule BS, just the best of the best.
FCS I know for sure has a ranking system, but I agree, FBS needs a way to play in for every single team. There should be a way for each and every team to start the season 0-0 and know what they have to do to guarantee a trip to the playoffs
What a novel concept? It’s almost as if every other sport on this planet does it this way. But how would the SEC and B1G keep dominating if everyone has equal access to the playoffs?? We can’t allow that to go away
@@cr3070How many times do you fans have to watch the smaller schools get murder by BIG10 team or more so an SEC team before you realize that this isn’t about a bias, it’s about elite talent, elite coaching, and elite programs. There are teams in the bracket right now that haven’t played a single team in the top 20-25 and you want to bring in more teams like that? Sorry but I hate watching bad football. Elite teams don’t play bad football.
But the AP rankings have nothing to do with the CFP. The rankings for the CFP are done by a selection committee that doesn’t include anyone from the AP.
Catch up buddy, you’re 20 years behind the times.
@@WilliePete_Gaming "elite teams dont play bad football."........hmmm🤔you may wanna go back and look at the score of that vanderbilt-Bama game lol
Screw the eye test, that's subjective as hell
Well isn’t the ranking subjective? These ranking are by a committee who they think are the best teams. So that’s subjective as hell
How ever this plays out, this is better than last year. Some teams might feels slighted, but they wouldn't even be a whisper last year.
And if you weren't one of the four teams in the playoffs, half your stars probably sat out for the bowl game
I think there will definitely be some fuckery with the final rankings bc the committee is going to rank teams 5-12 with matchups and the bracket in mind. So I think the only part that really matters for those teams are if you in the 5-8 group that gets to host a game or if you’re in the 9-12 group that has to go on the road…
This is absolutely going to be the case. They’re going to fudge things around to keep SEC teams from having to play the B10 up north in the middle of December. And to make sure each one makes the most money possible!!
The fact that yall are saying “Miami fans are pissed because they have a bad draw and may have to play Georgia” should be proof that Miami should not be ranked ahead of Georgia.
No problem with Bama and ole miss being ahead of UGA. But notre dame, Penn state, and Miami is a stretch
Head to head is flawed Georgia has better wins then bama ole miss
Texas shouldn't be the #1 Sec. I know they have the best record but they have played the weakest SEC schedule with 5 of their 6 SEC wins coming from the bottom 8 teams in the SEC. I guarantee they will lose to Texas A&M in 2 weeks. It will be A&M and Georgia in the Title Game.
@ for sure, I’m saying I can atleast hear the argument of having bama and ole miss ahead of them (especially ole miss).
I was suprised by how much bama moved up. Despite that 1st quarter UGA dominated them and they also lost to Tennessee. I feel bad for UT fans, looks like head to head wins didn’t mean much for them
@@Nyla009so the Georgia win wasn't a good one for Bama. Tell me, what win does Georgia have better than that?
Alabama is 5th in the SEC. How are they even in the 12
"Eye Test" and "Football Judgement" is just another way of saying "eastern biased for people who don't watch western games" and "brand bias".
$ and power is the prize and why they won't let go of their self described unbiased assessments
In prior years I’d agree, but this year, what am I missing, is there any west coast teams outside of Oregon worth mentioning? They all suck, this isn’t a CMC robbery situation lol.
@ There are 2 and 1 loss teams that are just as worthy of discussion as the log jam of 2 loss SEC or BIG 10 schools.
Most western football teams don't invest into their programs, they aren't serious about football.
@@ThreadAndCircuses1 Man that is just whining.... The final results will tell the story
Very excited to see my BSU Broncos in the mix!
BOISE
Go Boise! Shock the world
💯💙🧡🐎
As a proud Idahoan, me to
They shouldn’t get a first round bye. Either way they won’t win their first game if they somehow get in
Then Indiana biggest win was Nebraska before they forgot how to play football.
Why would any team ever play a difficult schedule ever again. After watching Georgia play a IMPOSSIBLY tough schedule with relative success just to be ranked behind teams with cupcakes schedule. Bama beats Mercer and moves up 3 spots, Georgia beats #7 Tennessee barely move up at all.
You play a tough schedule so you don’t end up like Ohio State (MUST beat IU…)
Exactly. There's literally no incentive to play tough teams
The Georgia schedule is so overrated it’s wild. Texas hasn’t played a soul outside of Georgia, bama lost to vandy a bad team, ole miss lost to Kentucky and lsu, and Tennessee has been shut out for 2 total games if you combine all the halves they’ve been shut out. The sec is a good conference but they are VASTLY overrated.
@@Justyouraveragetrashcan Overated? 🤦♂️🤦♂️ So we have played the #1, #4, #7, #15, and #16 at that current time… Who has your team played again? I will wait…
@@Justyouraveragetrashcan - What conference do you think is not overrated? Please don't say the ACC or Big Ten with an Indiana whose SOS is 106th. What ranked team has Penn State beaten? What ranked team has Miami beaten?
If Miami were to lose to Clemson?
Somebody is not paying attention . . .
What if those SMU Mustangs win out?
@@DoyleMurphy-u7e they win out and win the acc chip they probably get a playoff bye
@@DoyleMurphy-u7enot happening
@@tylerhartley5031 they just got to beat Virginia and Cal
I'm a SCarolina grad but was shocked at the Nov 13 Sec network show.Finebaum uttered a bogus score and graph lying on Indiana Charlotte 20-15 real score 52-14 graphic Indiana WIlllinois 31-17 it was 77-6 Indiana.Pat u wouldn't lie like Fanni Willis and the Sec network.😢
1:30 funny, Texas has a win over Michigan too but have not heard anyone on TV actually say it.
And it was over in the first half. In the big house.
Michigan sucks, so no one cares
Michigan is .500. Who cares
Yeah dude its almost like michigan might not go to a bowl game or something
If anyone can screw something up, it's the NCAA. It won't have anywhere near the 12 best teams.
The NCAA has nothing to do with the Playoff though.
The committee is the ncaas proxy. And most of them are in the good ol boy club. The wink wink club as it were.
I thought the bracket projections were supposed to represent "if the tournament started today" - based on the current rankings, and excluding games yet to be played
At this point just make it a march madness type of tournament with the top 25 teams making the tournament. "Shorten" the regular season to like 8/9 games and have a weekly elimination game with the losers playing in other bowl games.
(I have no idea if this would work lmaooo this is all out the ass)
Ill be pissed if army beats ND and army doesnt get in still
yup
Unfortunately they won’t their schedule is crap and they don’t bring enough eyes (money)
The service academies have to much going against them especially recruiting IMO
But as a vet I’ll always half ass cheer for those officers in training
Army and Boise as auto-bids over B12 champ 👀
Don't worry, you don't need to be pissed. ND is gonna kill Army. So it will be a moot point.
@@pffrenchif army beats notre dame it will be notre dame out an Army in. The big 12 will still be represented.
Georgia need to prove the doubter wrong again.
Conman says Clemson is probably gonna win out?? They have to go through South Carolina..
And a South Carolina wins how is that not enough to put them in?
Because south carolina has 3 losses, and there are too many teams ahead with less in the SEC.
They are the 7th best team in the SEC. There’s 16 teams. That’s not impressive.
We need a "March Madness" style tournament. There are too many good teams every yr who get left out.
That would be an entire season.
Many players with NFL potential would sit out.
64 teams .... No.
Its not realistic at all.
Other than fewer teams, how is it different?
How is this different. I don't think a 11 or 12 has any chance of winning the Championship.
That’s insane, this new bracket already has too many teams. A 64 team tournament would be a disaster for football.
@@DylanMarshall3 Then the issue would just migrate to the 65th team not making it and then eventually a Play in tournament.
It would never end Bro.
NIL is going to redistribute talent away from the SEC and make college football as a whole more competitive across the board. SEC powerhouses aren't going to be able to recruit as deep of a team as other schools are able and willing to pay for that talent sitting back waiting on their turn. Promise them NIL deals and a starting role? Boom. Transferred. The south should get used to having good teams come out of other conferences bc it's gonna happen more often.
so you're admitting that the 12 team playoff was designed to keep the SEC out of the national championship....
So old money teams like Notre Dame, and Indiana can get some affirmative action
How many non SEC schools have the money SEC schools have? The talent is staying down south.
Uhhhhh.... what money difference.
Just for an example, Iowa's college football budget is ~140 million and Bama's is ~130 million. There is no money advantage.@@masondraughon2589
@@masondraughon2589Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Oregon, USC etc…
@@georgelucas2571 they will continue to get the kids they always get. SEC schools aren’t going to all of sudden going to lose top talent because of NIL when the SEC schools have more.
I don't get why you would want the CFP committee to make that projection on your behalf? Until selection Sunday, their job is just to rank the teams. Not make a cool graphic that projects who is going to be included in and win their conference championship games. They don't even know who will be in the SEC championship right now, so why would their ranking make that projection in a bracket?
100% agree! Not sure who wants a ranking committee to make predictions on future games… makes no sense. Basically saying the committee should put Oregon ranked 5 if they think they will lose the Big Ten championship game? In what world does that make sense!?!?
Exactly. ESPN is just putting the bracket for how it looks based off the rankings atm. Idk how this is hard to understand
Yeah, Pats rant about this makes no sense. ESPN fake bracket means nothing. No ones making them make it. The committees job is to rank teams, not guess whose going to win in the future. ESPN should show the rankings every week, and not show a bracket, complaining about a problem they created themselves lmao.
As a Penn State alumni, does anyone in the world think Penn State or Indiana beat a UGA, Alabama, or Tennessee? Penn state struggled against Bowling Green for crying out loud…the Big 10 is a great conference, but you cant convince me it’s better than the SEC. Also, can anyone believe Florida State is getting snubbed for a second year in a row? Come one committee, how can you do that to the Seminoles?
😂
BS on PSU alumnus! Furthermore SEC is very mediocre this year. And everyone has a bad game or two a year. How did Oregon look against Wisconsin? So by your logic since they struggled they wouldn't stand a chance against 2 loss Alabama who lost Vanderbilt and a two loss Georgia or Tennessee. You're being foolish so just stop.
For crying out loud lookin ahh
@@suncoastfishing6672 are you really telling me I didn’t graduate from Penn State? It’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re stupid, rather than to open it and let everyone know you are. Speaking of foolish, you should learn to proofread before calling someone else foolish…go waste someone else’s time chief
The Seminoles have won 1 game, ONE
They’re 1-9, you lost credibility with asking why they’re being snubbed “second year in a row “
Let’s go Boise! Give them the bye week
When it was Florida State last year, no one but Florida State fans were upset by them getting shafted out of the playoffs when they had 0 losses.
Just wait until your 0 or 1 loss team is outvoted by the CFP ESPN monopoly so 6 SEC teams can get in
You going to cry because the SEC is levels above most conferences if not all.
And the 4-6 SEC teams would likely wipe the floor with their matchup unless it’s an Ohio State, Oregon type team. Even a somewhat weakened TN team demolished Clemson and Iowa last couple years, and TN isn’t even the pinnacle of the SEC
@@rayyL95 Yeah, they are levels above, because every year the CFP and ESPN pay the teams millions based on if they are selected to go to the college football playoff semifinals (when it was only 4 teams), more money to the conference if they go to the national championship and for every non-championship bowl game they get a few million as well. Well, considering the SEC is constantly selected for every playoff and damn near all of them go to a major bowl game over everyone else too, I wonder how they got so far ahead?
@@SweetRyGuyand yet they lost last year and weren’t even in the finals. Being in the SEC doesn’t magically make them tougher than anyone else.
@@rayyL95 If what you say is true (and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing) then they need their own playoffs just for them. The rest of the FBS can have their own playoffs. As is, the expansion was created to "give everyone a shot" (not my words), yet potentially undefeated/ one loss teams could be left out in favor of a SIXTH SEC team. What needs to happen? Does everyone in the SEC need FOUR losses? It's just not ever going to happen. The current expansion isn't fixing anything... In fact, it might be making it worse.
Notre Dame shouldn't even be ranked. They definitely shouldn't be anywhere close to being in the conversation for the playoffs. Strength of schedule should be the thing that matters the most for teams that aren't their conference champion. Any conference that doesn't play for their conference championship shouldn't get a automatic bid for their "champion".
Why is Missouri ranked? We know the reason why. The committee's constant hardon for Bama.
RTR cry me a river
If that is the final bracket, you heard it here first, UGA vs Ohio States in the CFP final.
Oh just stop it
Should be some form of math based elo ranking that effectively grants points to winners of games based on how good the team you beat was and ranks teams on how many ranking points they've earned by winning games against good teams.
Then automatic bids for certain conference champions and fill in the bracket with the highest ranked teams.
The rankings are a mess, but the only real solution is to implement a computer-style system that objectively uses pre-determined criteria to rank the college football landscape and field the 12-team playoff. Of course everyone hated that when we had it (BCS).
I was going to say, everyone hated that. A computer can’t tell how good a team is. People that watched and understands football should be the ones that decide. Maybe use a BCS style system but only use that as data, not the end all be all
This isn’t that confusing at all the rankings and how people get in has been this way 😂 it’s literally been ranks and projections
IMO this has been the most exciting season of CFB during my lifetime.
Die hard PSU fan. But, I love underdogs and the possibility of a Cinderella Story!
As a PSU fan, I would like really like to know if you think you guys are a legit top 5 team in the country. Because I have a hard time seeing it after multiple slim wins against mediocre teams and the SOS
@Jciatt1997 if we're going by sos, Penn State is higher than:
Texas, Oregon, Clemson, BYU, Miami, AZ St, IA St, Colorado, Boise St, Notre Dame, SMU, Tulane, UNLV, Wash St, IU, and Army.
That's 16 of the Top 25, and Penn State would still in the CFP.
IMO, the real issue right now is the average fan's understanding of wins and losses to unranked teams and how they effect more than just 1 week of the year.
His Texas dodging at the end…😂
My final four predictions intake would be Ohio State Alabama Georgia and Texas.
Fart
The boys talking college football is one of the best things to watch on UA-cam. Love this so much
Colorado vs Army In the first round would be absolutely BONKERS!!! Would make for an AMAZING GAME!!!
Then either one completely gets destroyed by a sec team in the next round..
Lol, no one would watch it.
@@JayTide Check the ratings Bro... People been watching EVERY Colorado game no matter WHO they play. People would definitely tune in to this one to see who wins... (So they can know which team is gonna get blown out by an SEC team next week!) lol
@@sjb7963 go look at the TV ratings. Colorado has a cult following but not much more.
Neither of those teams are playoff material.
Maybe they shouldn’t do rankings until rivalry week. Then you can see the rankings before conference championships.
I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand, it’s all pretty obvious in how this works.
Exactly
And the bracket means literally nothing, ESPN is making it for no reason. No ones making them make a fake bracket lmao, just show the rankings.
Indiana scares me. We've also lost our RT, LT and Center for the season 😭
Why do people keep saying if clemson beats miami theyll get in they dont play them at all if smu wins this week it will be miami smu for the conference championship
Nah if smu wins this weekend smu clinches a spot in the championship game. But there's still scenarios where Clemson can get in over miami. For example if miami loses to wake forest and Clemson wins out miami is out. Miami can't clinch a spot this weekend.
@eugeneperry8347 yeah I get that, all these sports shows and stuff are saying miami vs clemson for conference championship like they forget smu is in the acc
Georgia played Umass. I dont even think that should count as a win
College Football needs a massive face lift.
- Split D-1 into two tiers (Tier 1/2).
- Tier One is the 64 best teams, split into 8 conferences (8 Teams in each).
- They play 7 conference games and 5 non-conf.
- No conf championship, just the best 12 or 16 teams into the playoff (pity bowl games for the rest of the teams)
- The worse team out of 64 gets demoted to tier two each year
- the champ of tier two gets promoted, and is given some recruiting boost to help them adjust (maybe even make them immune from demotion for one or two years)
Anyone who has played a CFB dynasty is on board with this. There needs to be relegation but the blue bloods will never in a million years agree to this
How do you determine the 64 best teams?
It’s all about the $ now. The longhorns have already bought their way into the national championship game. I know people want to make a living with talk shows and to try to keep things interesting, but the obvious is the obvious. If your favorite team is not one of the wealthiest programs, you’re wasting your time rooting for irrelevance.
Bose state loss was to the ducks it was a close game
Ducks win by 14+ if it’s played again
1 score win over Nevada, 1 score win over UNLV and a close loss to a disjointed Oregon. Does a close loss count the same as a close win?
Its still a loss though.....
@@MichaelJohnson-hw4mc Do I need to remind you what happened the last time Duck fans told Boise State they were going to destroy them?
Also Oregon was a 22 point favorite IN THE GAME earlier this year...... So you throwing a 14 point spread really doesnt mean anything. Oregon has been favored in every single game theyve played against Boise and they are 1-3 all time against them.
If army can beat Notre dame and get in that would be awesome. There’s something about watching a team that clearly isn’t as talented as all the others execute their game plan well enough to be competitive.
i play NCAA Football 25 and that clearly uses a computer program to project the bracket. im assuming the ncaa uses the same program for real life. week 12,13,14,15 the bracket in the video game is always screwed up. for example a team ranked 22 would be first seed because of where they rank in the conference or something like that. i know not to take those projected rankings seriously. but when it comes time to place seeds and actually create the bracket, it all works out. now there is a bit of oddity when it comes to independent teams.
I will say this: While Pat has somewhat of a point about the CFP Committee’s rankings on Tuesdays, to say ESPN doesn’t have a MASSIVE voice and influence in public perception of these teams (particularly the SEC teams) is a bit misleading.
Wait a minute….Vanderbilt is a good win now?????
The knocked of the #1 team in convincing fashion. Lost to Texas by 3. And are the current owners of the state of Alabama.
It's TX's best win.
They are pimps this year.
This is why postseason NCAA FBS football is a joke. There's no objective metric on how teams are ranked and how they determine a team gets a playoff spot. And with conferences having 20 teams now, there's no way strength of schedule can be objective either. This will get even more controversial too as more schools get more competitive because of the NIL and transfer portal.
Conferences need realigned for this bracket to have a chance of making sense. Instead of loading up the SEC and Big 10, shrink them .
100%. Also need more cross-conference matchups in order to better see which conferences truly are the deepest.
I’m so confused. We did this because these teams DIDNT play each other outside of their conference. Now they’re forced to play each other week in and week out and now it’s a problem?
This gonna be the most watched video!!! I got questions. 1st off the committee got their work cut out for them.
a 16 team playoff with no committee solves all this drama. clear set of rules that determine playoff eligibility
So who decides that? Everyone hated the BCS system
Other than conference champion what are the rest?
There is no amount of teams in a playoff that will solve all of this drama. You just kick the can down the road with expansion so the debate is between worse and worse teams until, like March Madness, it hardly matters who's on the bubble because they're so far removed from the teams that could actually win it all.
Nah you people would still find something to complain about. It's just a non stop cycle of complaining
@@joegardner851 The BCS had no rules and the system constantly changed and there was no consistency....
16 teams.
5 champs, 5 highest SOR, 3 highest AP rankings, 3 highest coaches rankings.
Bulletproof.
Nah
@@tylerhartley5031 - Yah
The strength of schedule is stupid, you can’t help who the ncaa puts on your schedule
Not necessarily true. They play a part in picking the out of conference games.
@@tylorarcher8439Non conference games are scheduled 5-8 years in advance. No idea what a your program or another program is gonna look. Unlike college basketball who schedules non conference games yearly
@@SixGodHobbsso you’re telling me Alabama decided to play against Who cares University because they thought these would be fantastic team when they play them? 😂
The NCAA doesn't schedule games. The conference does and schools do OOC opponents. Hell the Playoff isn't even run by the NCAA.
Dude, what are you talking about? The NCAA doesn’t make up a school’s schedule. You sound stupid.
Tennessee also has a head to head win over Alabama everyone seems to be forgetting apparently.
And a loss to an Arkansas team that lost to the worst team in Big 12. Sec is so arrogant
@ put the pipe down. Alabama lost to Vandy and they lost to Kentucky, and those are two of the worst teams in the SEC. But that don’t matter when you have the head to head victory. That’s #1
Thats because this college football tournament is GARBAGE!
What’s garbage about it?
Here's how to fix the CFP bracket conundrum: No more than 1 loss to get in the CFP. All P4 conferences must play a team from another P4 conference and 1 from a group of 5 (all other games must be in-conference games). Only ONE small school (and that has to be one of the first 2 games).
Tennessee not in the dance feels criminal
As a UGA fan I can't agree enough... The Vols would DESTROY Penn State, Indiana, Notre Dame, Miami... This is an insane bracket
Just wait until A&M beats Texas and they somehow justify putting Texas in over TN. It’s all about bias and brand names. I hate TN but they deserve to be in. One of the best defenses in the country and great run game
@@DennisFeinsteinCEOyet ND beat Texas A&M and those guys are going through a lot of the SEC. Being in the SEC doesn’t magically make their teams better.
@@Ceece20 And? A&M isn't a good team, by a LONG shot. They've had the weakest SEC schedule and good molly-whopped by SC??? Beating A&M isn't a quality win.
they have lossed twice!!!!! should of won
Sadly, it comes down to who can avoid the tough teams and go with less losses. UGA is not rewarded for having the toughest schedule and 3-2 against top tier teams.
How about the SEC play 9 conference games before bitching about being potentially left out?
Lol How about ANY big 10 team plays a SEC schedule & they'll have 3 or more losses EVERY year!
Outside of a couple teams, the big 10 sucks!
@@travisgregory8971 So basically the SEC?
@MattBuild4 OSU & Oregon only in B10. Georgia, Bama, Tennessee & now Texas. I didn't even mention Ole Miss because they aren't a blue blood.
@@MattBuild4 And the big 10 doesn't go through a meat grinder of a schedule EVERY year like we do!
It will be crazy if UGA and Bama make it to the Natty in 2025..... representing the national championship
Georgia is getting punished for playing a strong strength of schedule. The have the most quality wins. They have the highest ranked wins. The have the highest ranked losses. They get no credit for the tough schedule and opening up the season by playing Clemson. Georgia should never schedule tough out of conference games again. When teams like Indiana and Miami have a poor in conference schedule and then schedule trash out of conference and get rewarded for it, why should anyone schedule tough out of conference. Georgia should be the highest rated 8-2 team and probably ranked over ND, Indiana and Miami. This is a cluster.
Georgia is in if they win out. So not much controversy
Wouldn’t be the first time. They hate and disrespect Georgia when Georgia arguably has the toughest schedule. Sounds like the committee would prefer wins with cupcake teams. Ridiculous
No it doesn't
A loss is a loss, quit complaining. Either win your conference or accept the low cfp spot. If the SEC is so much better, then you shouldn’t have an issue with them proving it on the field. Better team is going to prevail regardless, no reason to complain about a ACC champ being a top 4 seed if you think a lower ranked team will beat em. That’s what football is all about, not sos bs.
@@southernsunshine1149NCAA and committee shot themselves in the foot with the FSU snub. You can’t whine about SOS (especially when Michigan won with the 50th sos) with non sec teams when we just had a 13-0 ACC champ, whom scheduled multiple sec games for their schedule (LSU with a Heisman, UF, don’t blame them that these sec teams sucked) their decision gave teams ZERO incentive to schedule tough games.
I didn't even know college did this. Thanks for crash course.
Once the field was increased to 12 all teams not in the top 12 can go home and deal with it. I don't care who you played or if you would make a better match up. if you lost 2 or more games get out.
So Army and SEC should have same expectations regarding schedule? Lmao
Anyone putting any stock into these cfp projections, and are getting bent out of shape, just need to stop. There are 2-3 more games for the majority of these teams left to play. It will sort itself out and to add fuel to the fire. Conference champions over any team that finishes 4th or even 3rd in their conference
Oregon definitely seems like they’re the team to beat despite Wisconsin testing them in primetime!
Who is the team to beat then? Can’t wait to see the irony
Oregon is overrated. Between the Wisconsin game & Boise State they are def beatable
Everyone is beatable there’s no elite team this year but to not have them as the team to beat bc of a close win vs Wisconsin when everyone else has a very similar win or even loss in that type of game is crazy
Oregon loses big10 title game and out first playoff game.
They definitely could lose the big 10 chip but then they’d be the 5 seed which is a lot easier road then the 1 seed to the semi final if u want to pick them to lose to the big 12 winners or Boise at home be my guest meanwhile the 1 seed would face potentially Notre Dame Georgia bama
I don't like teams getting a first round BYE just for winning their conference Championship. If you're in a bad conference you get the benefit of being ahead of a someone in a tougher Conference like SEC or Big 10!?
SEC is overrated. Arkansas lost to the worst team in the big 12 but yet beat big bad Tennessee. Y’all are brain washed
all fkd because it should be conference champions only. This bs bracket has already devalued conference championship games and even put the scenario out there of dipping on the game to save players.
So a 4 playoff team? Didn’t we just have that? Yeah let’s gives BYU a chance. I’m sure they can beat Texas, Oregon or Miami
10 teams, all division one conference champions racked and stacked by the playoff committee rankings.
@@landonwilcox1837 god that would be horrible. So we get a lot of average teams get in again and get destroyed? Yeah that sounds like a great playoff. Can’t wait to watch. So we’ll get JVST play against Oregon. Miami(Ohio) would play Texas. Let’s get UL in too. Why not they won their conference. My god, I’m getting so excited.
It doesn’t devalue the conference win. If you win your conference, you can get one of 4 bye week. It’s not perfect but it’s a better system then what you have in place
You’re going to have that regardless. IMO if you cant win your conference you shouldn’t have a shot at a Natty. Lets be real doing it this way would eventually lead to conference realignment back to regions so the power houses would be able to punch their ticket without having to fight through a gauntlet of a schedule like the SEC schools are now.
Under the current system structure any team having played an extra conference game (title game) should get a bye. But the number of slots doesn’t allow for that.
Boise state being in the top 4 is a scam
Colorado should have scheduled better non conference games 😂
Such BS that SEC and BigTen get to hog 8 out of 12 playoff spots. Who says that these leagues are better than ACC/Big12? Strength of schedule is a circle jerk of assumptions.
Everyone, everyone says they're better than the ACC/Big12 because it's true.
@@jdog2302 SEC maybe but not the BigTen. ACC is 3-2 against the Big10 this season.
Forget conference champs put the best 12 in
I think FSU snub last year proved they don’t care about record
That seems to make sense, but then Texas shouldn't be ranked ahead of Georgia in that case. Yet they are. Because the committee is only consistent in its inconsistency.
Yup game results do not matter just their preferences
How did FSU do in their bowl game?
@@irishamerican1974FSU started their 3rd string freshman QB and every one of the 11 draft picks did not play…..
Only a casual would think that was a real game. It was a boycott.
Literally everyone in the G5 - yeah i think this was proved about 30 years ago.......
Should have neverr had more than 10 teams in a conference. That way they had to play all teams in conference. THis loading up teams makes it easier for teams to get weaker schedule do to so many teams added to conference. The Pac 10 id gone now. Southwest conference is gone now. So many of great history is destroyed for money. Big 8 could have made 10 to save it. This whole setup is screwed.
Another year of Notre dame playing absolutely no one and will get obliterated by any real competition they face in the playoff
We played 3 ranked tames at the point they played
They get by name alone. They lost to a terrible team, played a couple mid teams (A&M and Louisville), and played a group of weak teams... anyone else with this schedule would not be under consideration.
Don't blame Notre Dame for going into TAMU and beating them by double digits. And why single out Notre Dame? Who has Texas beat? Who has Penn State beat? When is Indiana going to play a ranked team? And when they finally get around to doing it, will it matter when they lose? This is not a "Notre Dame problem".
Besides the bad loss has Notre Dame smoked most of the other teams in the schedule yes. Isn't that what a good does
@@John_Hoover because Notre dame is the most mediocre of them all . If any teams doesn’t deserve to be on this list it’s them , every year they are given a spot or ranking and every year they play someone like bama or UGA or Texas or Ohio state and get blown out the water
They need more teams in the playoffs
😂😅 everyone gets in 🤣 no matter what 🤡
SEC ain’t scared of anyone especially lil 10 teams. Oregon and OSU are elite after that the drop off is a cliff
I would also like the SEC to explain, in some process detail, how Texas got the schedule they got while Florida got the schedule they got. Because the difference is massive, and it affects the whole national bracket. Maybe not this year with Florida being pretty bad, but as time goes on that sort of thing can't continue. And other teams have a similar case: compare Oklahoma to Missouri, just as another example.
Florida was a crap team no matter the schedule. With that being said, Texas was purposely given a soft schedule to reward them for coming to the SEC. They’ve had one hard game - Georgia - and that was a home game which they lost. SEC office put their fingers on the scales yet again.
@@ugadawgs1990 OK, so what about Oklahoma? That was a tough schedule. And Missouri's dead easy. The total lack of balance is striking.
@@SwampCritter-df4od, I agree with you. It’s like the SEC office wanted to force the records to be similar and guarantee all teams with 2 loses. The SEC is run by Alabama people.
The playoff committee always screw GA over. During the 4-team playoff, they left GA out with one loss because they weren't the conference champ. Then let Bama in the following year even though Bama didn't even play in the Conference Championship game. Same thing happened to GA last year. Then they talked about strength of schedule. Now that GA has the best strength of schedule in the nation, they're going based off wins and losses. The committee is a joke. It's full of mainly Big 10 biased people anyway.
Exactly 💯, the committee is corrupt hands down...
Bro, it was a 4 team playoff. If it was a 12 team bracket Georgia would have been the 5th seed and hosted a playoff game.
@dilly70533 GA was still one of the best 4 teams last year. If they had gotten in, they would've won the Natty. They were just unlucky to have a bunch of injured starters when they played Bama. By the time the playoff came around, those starters were all healthy.
@tonystarks7715 The committee is definitely Big 10 biased. The guy in charge is a Big 10 alumni and is currently an employee of Michigan.
Insane thing to say. SEC gets the biggest bias by far
Dang, I’ve never watched any of Pats shows ever. I’m gonna have to admit, it was fun speculating the playoff scenario with him!
It should have ZERO to do with a conference, it should have everything to do with the 12 BEST teams. Not most deserving, best eye test, or other subjective metric.
Isn’t “best” a subjective metric? What are you basing “best” on?
@@dariuswilliams3206 not at all, do not use any ranking data, just wins losses, opponents wins losses, yards and points for off and def, and maybe turnover margin. Then you can use data for all 134 teams and get a real metric with no bias or rankings, just in the field game data
@@SurferRC wouldn’t that encourage teams to run up the score in 4th quarter blowouts? Especially against their weaker competition.
@ maybe some but unlikely since most teams struggle to just win every week.
The athletic Director of Michigan is the lead of the college football committee. No wonder why Oregon, Ohio State and Penn State are in the top five.
Maybe you should look at win loss records clown😂
And the ESPN writers put 9 SEC teams in the top 25 in August. Don't start with the bias FOR SEC. It starts in August every year.
I hope SMU beats Miami the ACC title.
Even if strength of schedule is a current major data point, it's best that they don't use that in the short term. Over the long term talent will even out over various conferences and this is better for college football.
That fact that it needs that much explaining each week shows how bad of a system is
It's obviously none of those metrics. It's just a discussion they have between each other then they decide the ranking based on how they feel