Too EXPENSIVE! Customer States: "NO, not worth it" Ford Transit Connect ABS Pump Location
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Honesty, they got their money's worth with 300k miles on it. My old boss had a fleet of Ford Transits and F150s. He begged his employees to alert him the moment something doesn't feel right or a dummy light came on. He took care of them and a few of his Transits and F150s lasted around 500k.
Great policy to have
Smart. What I’d do
What I've seen is the employees would sometimes would purposely ignore issues so it would force the purchase of a new vehicle.
Shut up
I bought a few of my company cars because I like all machines and treat them well.
I agree. This vehicle is solidly in the “Drive it til it drops” zone. 💣
Half the cars I've ever owned fell into that category.
Another perfect example of being engineered to manufacture, but not to maintain.
Always nice to have the test equipment explained.
Ray again you hold to your very clear and systematic approach to your diagnostic's and without costing the customer a butt load of $! I know tech's that would sell the repair to the customer with some creative word dancing take the money and smile. I know I have said it before thanks for your frank honesty.
One of the few times I've seen you get a service declined I agree with.
Yeah, sometimes a car just gotta go.
Makes a lot more sense than the people who will refuse to have bald (or worse!) tires or completely worn brake pads/rotors replaced.
Both of those problems can create dead people.
This is the first time that I can kind of agree with the customer in not wanting to get the problem fixed
with 291k miles on the van, the van had served it purpose very well.
@@rexko381 They got their money's worth out of it
Respect the grind on these daily uploads. 💪💪
Good call. Run it until it dies. Many older folks spent a lot of years driving before ABS. It's a great function but not strictly needed.
Here's the thing, some models have versions with ABS and some without. The brakes work exactly the same if an ABS equipped car has the ABS disabled so it's complete crap that if it came with it, it must be working. Seat belts, turn indicators, windscreen, wipers, etc. YES, they must work but if your passenger mirror isn't there anymore and you have a rear window you can see through and side windows, like a Civic, it's fine and on some cars, a passenger side mirror is an option. Stupid I know but it is an option on some.
We're glad you're here, Ray!
Always good to be thorough like ray
Great video! Would be very happy to have a mechanic as thorough and honest as you
Drive it till it dies. A credo I've upheld throughout the lives of many vehicles. Sad but true
I happen to own this same year model but it’s just a XT. My employer has several HD truck dealerships and a couple of years ago he closed one of them. It had a couple of high mileage F150s (300K+) and this Transit that were used for parts deliveries. I bought it with it only having 167,000 highway miles and it’s been a nice little van so far. Engine is clean as a whistle and no oil leaks.
I've always liked tooling around town in one of these and it did ok on the occasional 100+ mile delivery, great on gas. Being a 2013 and I didn't arrive til 2017, it was neglected and had a few issues. Regarding the Transit-150 van, I hated those, no foot room at all
Have a great day Ray Ray
Good job Ray thank you! Love you with my morning coffee.
You're such an honest dude.
Traction control light? No, that's the "Drift Mode Light"!
Ready for some plastic trays
"fambly"
I call it the “Bon Jovi” light because that graphic was the original cover for their “slippery when wet” album😂
@@dancearoundtheworld5360 plastic trays don't last long, use stainless drinks trays.
To be honest if you know how to drive you don't need traction control it's called pay attention to what you're doing and drive your car back in the days people used to drive cars not sit there playing around with all the gadgets and let the car drive them now that's backwards have a good night
It's neat that you/your shop can even properly diagnose & repair ABS-related problems. I thought you'd have to return to the dealership for stuff like that.
Thank you for including pricing details on parts and labor
Ray, I’ve noticed the top end of the speedometer on a lot of vehicles you’ve worked on. This particular vehicle has a top end of 130mph. I have always topped out my vehicles. The most surprising was my 2011 GMC Terrain. It topped out at 240 kph ( I’m in Canada, metric system ) it’s got the 2.4 liter 4 banger all wheel drive. I topped it out and it wanted to go faster. It also didn’t take long to get to that speed.
And you got caught out by the key opening the bonnet 🤣
But if anyone is watching, the actuator rod for the lock often breaks and getting to it means drilling out the grille to get to the security bolts that hold the lock in place
Yes, pain in the backside
Didn't watch the video yes, but by this comment I knew it is a ford. I had this problem years ago with the mondeo
Yep every time I work on one of these I douse it with penetrating oil and say a prayer before I turn that skimpy ass key.
In the NE rust belt the key itself breaks off
Yep ABS stuff is GOLD!!! Enjoyed
Best watched in the morning. It'll make your great day last longer.
I wasn't expecting the center console to be a nostalgic throwback to my 2000 Mercury Cougar
Sometimes, the magic
doesn't work. ( quote from the outlaw Josey Wales ) we all serve at the pleasure of the Customer.
Hello from Finland Ray ✋ Nice to watch your videos.
When i worked for HP we had an acronym BER - Beyond Economical Repair and we used it many times. Just got to know when to let things go.
We used NFG!
Love the skillz and the vids....keep it up
Drive it till it dies is my motto. I never buy new cars. I have a $5000 limit and I drive them as long as I can. The car I'm drive now is a 2001 PT Cruiser with about 200,000 miles. I've been driving it for 15+ years. I will be replacing it in the next few months because of rust/rot and repairs not worth fixing. I'll be sticking to my limit and motto on my next purchase as well... lol
People talk crap about the PT Cruiser but I still see so many of them out on the road still.
Yep new cars just have too many electric faults all the time,our 2008 connect (touch wood) hasn’t had any problems in the many years we’ve owned it, it’s got a light on the dash for an egr issue but can stills starts and drives fine doesn’t miss a beat, not serviced the thing in I think over 3 years now lol it’s on around 240k miles 🤣
Same here. With the exception of my most recent car, I've never spent more than $1000 on a car. My most recent purchase was last year; $3400 for a 2003 Lexus in near mint condition with 150K miles. I stole it for that price! I spent $2000 on maintenance, and I'm confident it will last another 150K without any major issues. Even with the money I put into it, it's actually worth more than what I paid. I'm driving it till it dies, or the body starts rusting through.
I think Fords are assembled locally but the parts aren't made locally if i remember right. Makes getting replacements parts harder they also tend to avoid have a lot of extra parts on hand, paired with current supply issues only makes it worse. Love the Vids its like your giving me the car diagnostics education my dad never did!
At one time I had cleaned underneath the front seats of my truck, and when I went to use my truck I got an Airbag Light. Somehow the seatbelt circuitry is tied into the Airbag Warning light system too. Researching this problem on UA-cam it told me to unplug and re-plug the connectors under the seats, and that cleared the Airbag Light..
Thank you for another video, Ray.
May Almighty God Bless you and Family.
I've been doing the same kind of thing. Rear wheel speed sensor is shot, but it's integral to the hub. Pulled the wheel to swap it and found the rear sub-frame is heavily rusted and needs to be replaced for $1000 on a 16 year-old van. At least the dash is festive with all the lights!
🥳🎉
I was going to insult Ford , but at 300k it deserves an honorable retirement.
he called it a "Ferd"...which I take it to mean "turd" lol
@@cutehumor he just talks like that in general
Thanks for discussing the expenses
People lived without ABS for decades. My oldest vehicle don't even have factory ABS. Sure made it easy to change the master cylinder.
customer trades it in on a new vehicle, dealership marks it up and sells it for $10k (market adjusted price).
Dealership would actually sell it in a group to used car people who come buy problem child vehicles. They take it to a market where is a good thing compared to what's available.
There's an arse for every seat, so to speak.
Im glad to know they will last that long
I had a similar issue on my I believe it was 07 ford focus, ABS/TC/Ebrake light came on and spent $1800 at the local ford dealer and they still could not fix it. At least my cruise control still worked because I did about 500 miles weekly on that car. These 3 lights coming on is why I'm scared to get another ford. I was lucky I do not live in a inspection state.
Same scenario with wifes Civic. ABS going bad and display looked like a christmas tree. dealer wanted 1000.. I bought used abs and installed (cost 95.00)
My Dodge Ram has a love hate relationship with its own ABS system. Some days it works as it should, other days it's like I'm back in high school driving a 15 yr old Oldsmobile with no ABS system.
Another interesting diagnosis!
Hope the van is paid for..
Kinda sad to see it go away, I have the same van, except it's diesel, with a "no communication with the ABS module" to diagnose, so I would have learned something more from your great work
Morning Ray Ray.
Good morning to you👨🎓😁 Raymond from Chicago hope you and yours are doing well today👨👩👧👦 well we're almost at two hundred thousand🎅 subscribers BROTHER!🥇👍
Good morning from Connecticut
Love the hood latch!
That's not a traction control light. That's the "Do a Burn Out" indicator! 😆
abs pumps/modules are back ordered for a lot of makes. my 2011 pathfinder abs pump randomly "gets stuck" and it hasnt been in stock in the u.s. since 2019
Good morning from NJ. And just drive it until it dies. I have to agree with the customer on this one.
I like that you provided some cost for the repairs
In the 'old days'....your right foot was the 'anti-lock braking' control....(but that was back when people KNEW how to drive).....just sayin'....lol
A study found that ABS alone actually increases the risk for the occupants of the car, as it is more likely to roll over. Still, think twice about driving a car with faulty ABS, as at least some have ABS based brake force distribution, thus may experience reduced stability for soft braking on slippery roads if the ABS is faulty. If it's a sensor fault, it may resort to a safe mode where you get unexpected ABS BRRRRT action even with good grip.
Still going after 291k great van was thinking of getting a used one will now.
I did like this video. That wee van should be so proud of itself.
When I looked at the engine compartment, I thought “that’s not just brakes”. I see it as multiple issues in the near future. Availability of the van will be questionable. The customer is making a wise decision to replace the whole thing.
It's about the time in the van's life when it becomes a money pit.
The minute crew has arrived to hit that like button
Great video
In the UK, you could get that ABS module rebuilt for under $400! ECU testing would be my choice based on previous experience.
Brilliant video as ever, thank you so much for posting! :-)
I’m old school, those abs lights don’t scare me. I’ve driven cars without power brakes.
It's a rare breed who knows the sheer pucker factor of a four wheel manual drum brake panic stop.
Had that on my 1964 F250. No power steering no power brake granny low 4 speed and a 4.88 rear end. The steering wheel was the size of sail ship helm. Half a turn before the turn started.
One thing that movies have taught me is the practicality of tiny stickers used to cover up dashboard lights wherever needed.
Ohh, a connect, I used to manage a fleet of these so I wonder whats wrong with it?
Ours used to eat front arms and drive shafts and tyres, also the older ones used to blow boost hoses and would have clutch pedal faults that would get fixed by simply pulling the pedal up
And on the diesel versions you probably still had to 'adjust' the maintenance schedule for timing belt replacement to prevent them from snapping prematurely as the older iterations of that engine suffered from?
Parts for my Ford have been on back order since at least early November with no prospects from the Dealer. As it was a power train part we couldn't drive it. We had to buy another car.
Deja vu, exact same problems with the last transit connect you worked on. You even forgot the key in the hood release last time too 😂
Rainman OWNED himself
I'm glad my 85 and 86 Chevy/GMC trucks don't have all these lights. Same with my 95 Ford dually.
Good thing you didn't dig too deep after you saw how "pristine" the engine bay was. Saved everyone time and frustration
Good morning from cold norway🇳🇴😊
Ah yes, there comes a time in every vehicle when one must apply common sense so the vehicle doesn’t own you. This was a good call on the owners part with the help of of an exceptionally qualified technician.
We don't have enough information to make your claim. For all we know, the engine and transmission still have another 100k miles left in it which more than justifies $1k in repairs.
@@scamazonprime . You clearly failed math if you think $1k in repairs that might allow a vehicle to last another year or two is more than the cost of a new vehicle. Enjoy living in fantasy land!
@@MrSupernova111 It's throwing good money after bad, $2k just to repair the ABS system on a van that's done 300k miles only for it to go wrong again a year down the line (optimistically) is the very definition of a false economy.
@@scamazonprime . You conveniently leave the cost of a new vehicle out of your equation. Keep living in fantasy land.
@@Chlorate299 . A car payment for a new van is $400-$500 per month in addition to higher insurance cost. That's $5k-$6k per year. How do you figure $1k is more than the cost of a new vehicle? Use your tiny brain for once in your life!
I had a '92 Honda Accord that my anti-lock brakes went out associated with a huge ice and snow storm. Driving around on ice triggered my anti-lock brakes to activate very often, wearing them out. The mechanic said I was fine to keep driving the vehicle with the ABS light on. I did. I drove the car five additional years like that. The car later broke down for other reasons, leading to its disposal.
Yep. The ABS is (supposed to be) a completely separate system from the vehicle's regular 'service' brakes on those older Hondas. [also separate from the emergency/parking brake, but that's obvious]
Good morning everyone
Like 100 here, my ABS light been on in my 95 chevy van been on for 2 years. It stops fine and it still does what I want. I drive it still.
I pulled the fuse on mine, been that way for 3 years.
02 Falcon, the ABS light stuck on. Early mornings when cold, a slow drive and stop will cause the front right wheel to lock up and shudder and pull to right. After about 10 minutes, light stays on but brakes fine then. Been told might be a bent push rod on the booster ? But what do I know - I have no idea.
@@wonniewarrior It might be the sensor. When my ABS was acting up my first stop after starting up the car would shudder as the ABS tried to work, then the light would come on and the brakes work normally. I REALLY doubt your problem is a bent booster push rod, that would affect ALL the brakes and the problem wouldn't clear up after 10 minutes.
The brakes will work fine on dry pavement during warm weather. But on wet icy roads during the winter they might not. Then you could end up down in a ditch or on the wrong side of the road with a semi coming towards you.
@@joevignolor4u949 That's the nature of no ABS brakes. When the ABS was acting up on my regular car at first I was concerned, but then I realized that as the car has four wheel disks it still had better brakes than any other car I've owned, none of which had ABS. I drive my 25 year old Jeep XJ fairly often and of course it doesn't have ABS... that's just the nature of older cars.
I had my ABS modulator go out on LaShonda the Honda (2012 Honda Accord). Honda wanted something crazy like $1500 for the part. I was able to get the used (OEM Honda part) for one-third the price. And Honda even installed for me (just charged me one hour labor). You can drive the car fine without the ABS and traction control.
Really surprised a dealership installed a part you bought yourself. Almost all shops won't touch customer supplied parts for "liability reasons". Definitely nothing to do with profit from the added markup on the part.
@@haywoodyoudome The shop where I get things done that I can't (or don't want to) handle myself will put on customer supplied parts, they just won't warranty them.
@@JeffDeWitt Yeah, we have a small shop in town that'll do that if the owner knows you're not going to buy the wrong part or come back and bitch because you bought some Chinese crap on eBay that didn't last long enough to get you home.
Until the emergency.
Then people get hurt or worse.
@@eefneleman9564 "Until the emergency.."
The emergency what?
Good info
I’m really sorry to see it go. I’m the type of person who would still buy it and fix it.
Thanks Ray. I own 3 Fords and now I am saying Ferd.
Hello Ray great vids... Except when you have some life form inhabiting the vehicle lol.
Do you do an advice channel or Q&A ANYTIME?
Good morning Ray, prices on parts are ridiculous expensive nowadays too much money just look at a simple quarter of oil how much is it , what a great economy lol
I ordered a 2021 Ford Explorer - 3rd Row All-Weather mate from the dealership. It's been 2 months and I'm still waiting for it. Is this shit ever gonna end? Thank you for the daily videos Ray!
Computer chip shortage.
That hood latch reminds me of my 79 Z28. It was always stuck. At least there was a lot of room to work on the engine. It was a very strong engine. 350 4speed with some mods. Too bad they were rust buckets. A buddy bought the drivetrain and the scrapyard gave me 500$. Not a good ROI for the 9k I paid for it new.
No new car is an investment except in the sense that you are spending money. Historically new cars lose value as soon as you drive out of the dealers lot. Certain cars do wind up being collectable but it takes decades to get a positive ROI.
The question is how long were you able to enjoy your Z28? How much fun did you have with it?
If they do scrap it some junkyard is gonna love all those nice parts. The interior seemed in surprisingly good condition for 300k.
Considering the cost just to fix the ABS, let alone whatever else it wrong with it or will break soon, they're making a smart choice by looking for something new instead of pouring money into it.
I had to make the same choice recently with my last vehicle. Loved it and still in overall good shape, but it was reaching the point of having some very expensive repairs on the horizon just from wear. And when it's your work vehicle and you need it running in order to do your job properly having something that's going to need a lot of shop time is doubly bad. Traded it in for a new RAM with the new bells and whistles they've added. I still miss it, but I also love the new truck.
Watching as many of Ray's older videos as I can during his sabbatical. Let ads run.
I actually agree with the customer on this one, too many miles and too many problems to repair just not worth the investment TIME TO FIND THIS BAD BOY A NEW HOME.
Yup. Problems will expand soon on this one
The bold part had me dying. At least half the I tell a new customer it's time to dump this car they're like "I just got this a week ago"
I know a couple of mexican painters that would buy this van for a cheap price.
even new cars can have problems that is why I will go for older cars for the most part they are easier to work on
Since that a part is hard to get, probably likely the cause of the issue.
Ford had a recall for those years, they put a corrosive break fluid in. They recalled my 2007 Milan to flush the brake fluid. But since the corrosion took place for 14 years already, I assume the damage is done.
G’Day Mate! Roger in Pierre South Dakota
Did I miss you checking the battery? We see abs codes pop up with low voltage often in the summer in AZ when the battery starts to fail with no other symptoms.
Ray, I think you are a real good mechanic. I try watching you but you make my ass want to chop fire wood with your one arm videos
Drive it til the wheels fall off!
🔰🇺🇸 My mechanic and I initially thought the ABS Module in my wife’s 2003 Honda CR-V was bad. Although it turned out to be the power brake booster, we priced a new factory replacement ABS Module from Honda at $1750 U.S. just for the part.
People just don't have the money to repair old cars but in turn don't have the money to purchase new. However since he's got a business he should be able to depreciate a new van. My 96 Bronco had its ABS fail. I just pulled the fuse and contined to drive until if fell apart.
Well. I guess luckily in florida theres no inspection
That thing has 100k more on it than my WV golf 😳 im afraid. The ABS in my car is lit too. 🤣🤣 I have a back up assembly just incase but it might be a fuse too because I have antilock still. 🤷♀️ good times.
i had a customer last year with one of those. it was so messed up the door latches and hood latch was replaced with slide pin locks....
My nephew just scrapped his..engine was mint but severe structural rust..
*_Time for some hot scan tool on vehicle action!_*
Do you have any videos on dodge care vans from 2014 ? Bleeding the break system with abs & using a scan tool to cycle the abs system?
I ran into a issue yesterday where I could bleed them out but couldn't get all the air out with out cycling the abs unit with out a scan tool.
Just curious if you ran into this at all.
My 2013 Transit Connect showed the exact same warning lights. When I ran a diagnostic test on it, it showed the front passenger speed sensor was bad. I replaced the sensor, about $20, and the warnings cleared. I guess if any part of the ABS system is faulty, the same lights show up.
Understandable business decision.
I work for a company that have 2 2020 Ford Transit vans less than 100,000 miles on both of them brought them to the dealership both need new torque converters
Had a hell of a scare with my C4 not too long ago, suddenly went into a mode where it would not change above second gear in auto or in manual, dash lit up like a Christmas tree, Service, ABS, Parking Brake, Traction Control and others all came on. Got the car home (Parking Brake would not disengage after I activated it) and thought I was in for some major spending. Turned out the left front sensor cable and the hub needed some cleaning. But yes, this would not be allowed out on the road with any of those warning lights on in the UK as it would fail an MOT, as others have stated.
Sounds like you shouldn’t be on the road anyway with a stuck parking brake and only second gear haha
Every time he says "wHY?!" I feel that.