Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse REVIEW - Better Than the MCU?
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Spider-Man: Across the Spdier-verse is yet another new superhero multiverse story that use the multiverse concept to tell a character-central story. In this talkback, we ask if it's doing a better job than the Marvel Cinematic Universes Multiverse Saga.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, Lee Mazzio, and Brianna McLarty
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And even though art is not a competition, I think it’s the best marvel movie of the decade. In fact, I think this movie does a great job of highlighting what’s been bad about the MCU over the past few years-especially a movie like Multievre of madness. And a little later I’m going to be joined by Screencrush editor in chief and spider-man book author Matt Singer, and Screencrush’s Colton ogburn-who, by the way, has seen the Flash. And he’s going to tell us how spider-verse and flash compare to each other.
[apply cream] First, here’s my take. So every time I watch the first spider-verse movie, I am still surprised at how awesome it is. It’s a movie that’s easy to forget about, but for my money it is still the best spider-man movie ever made. And this movie doens;t fall far behind it.
The visuals of this movie are so inventive-it is so rare that you can sit in a movie-especially a superhero movie-and think, “wow I have never seen that before. And yet, this movie’s animation even surpasses the first movie. Spider-Verse 1 was a comic book brought to life, using ben-day dots, sound effects comic panels-I mean ang lee tried to use comic panels in the Hulk, but these movies actually make it work.
But in this movie, they took the concept of the multiverse and used to ask, “what does each universe feel like.” Every earth we visit has its own animation style that is unique to that world’s spider-person. So for Gwen’s, they took the comic covers by her co-creator Robbi-Rodriguez, and reimagined them into a whole world of watercolors and pastels. The softer lines give the universe a more feminine feel-and I love how the visuals are always reflecting Gwen’s emotions.
The environment brightens or darkens depending on Gwen’s mood-after all, this is her world. And just that sequence where the helicopter is going to crush her dad, and she focuses, hearing the drumbeat in her mind. It’s a great way to show the teen angst of a girl using drums to beat out her emotions-and then how she harnesses that emotion to focus and save people’s lives.
Even the brief glimpse of Renaissance Vulture made you want to visit his universe. And spider-man india is such a fun break from the other spider-heroes we;ve seen for years. We're used to seeing these people haunted by tragedy. They joke, but they’re always making a swirling pool of emotions. People say the raimi films were camp, but there's a lot of crying in those [montages, set to music].
Whereas spider-man india hasn;t had a tragedy occur in his life yet he think s being spider-man is easy, he’s handsome-and his sequence is a breath of fresh air in a pretty heavy movie. And the visuals in his world are stunning. Every frame is showing off.
The movie’s real success is that these spider-heroes never feel redundant. It’s crazy how there are so many spider-people in this movie, but they all seem to have the same core-the essence of what it means to be a spider-hero. They always get to the heart of spider-man’s story-that he is a hero who can never have his cake and eat it too.
Spider-man or woman is always defined by this push and pull between what they want and sacrifice. A life of happiness or the life of a hero. Peter 2 tries to make money wrestling, so his uncle gets shot. Peter 3 has to promise to stay away from gwen. Peter 1 has to give u p being with his friends to keep them safe.
And in this movie, Miles is struggling to balance his civilian life with his hero's lie. He can;t save New York and be a good son to his parents. His greatest fear is that his parents will reject him if he tells them the truth. Actually there’s quite a lot of queer subtext in that, now that I think about it. - Фільми й анімація
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As a person of color, I disagree that the multiverse story outshined the Miles Morales story. Nothing stuck with me more thn the conversation he had with his mom on the rooftop about how he’s going to go into the world and he might not be accepted and protected but remember who you are. I literally shed a tear. That conversation outshined every joke, multiverse, etc.
Yea I think the homie on the left was just hating on black Spider-Man
She literally set the table for the emotional confrontation he was going to have with miguel cause everything she feared did transpire
What does you being a person of colour have to do with weither this trilogy is better then the MCU?
@@YallNotWhite_YourPINK did you even finish reading his comment?
@@mcclanesjolund4813 I did and It literally has nothing to do with weather it’s better than MCU or not. Did you not just watch Falcon and the Winter Solider. And this is coming from a blk dude. I shed not 1 tear during this movie. GOTG 3 however, I had a onion in my pocket, not sayin G3 was a better movie. Definitely a better Trilogy tho. You people are being prisoners of the moment. Outside of it lookin Visually appealing after Enter the Spider-Verse came out in 18 by time far from home released it was out of conversations
I think Miles being sent to universe 42 was a “blink and you’ll miss it” moment. I didn’t notice it the first time, and on second viewing, I did but it was really quick. And I think Ryan didn’t notice that 2099’s universe was actually very dystopian. The surface level is like the Jetsons but underneath looks like Blade Runner. Also 2099 is antagonist to Miles, but he’s not a “villain.” If anything, he’s an antihero. He’s trying to stop universes from collapsing
Dystopia? In what Capacity. Nothin' looked Dystopian, only High Tech & Futuristic. I watched it Twice, so please put Me up on Game with whatever you're talking about or Miss Me with that Bull Crap.
@@fishertheadore6095 This may be a reach, but it shows signs that there is a tiered hierarchy to the world's social structure, and as Miles keeps breaking down each level, the locations get grittier and grittier. We got from a big shining city to a dark underground filled with traffic, pollution, and industrial sprawl. But that's just IMO.
@@fishertheadore6095 The underground portion of the city? Hyper wealth inequality is a staple in cyberpunk dystopias
I'd actually argue that Miles is the antihero while 2099 is the actual hero. Granted we don't know if 2099 Spider-Man is actually protecting the multiverse or if it's just theory.
@@JordanEromonsele exactly. The top layer is all corporate owned. The underground is like on Courasant in Star Wars.
This movie was so good these "experts" are literally grasping at straws trying to find something negative about this movie in order to create content for their respective channels
Most of them grinding on the fact it ends on a cliffhanger even though we've known that since like Wakanda 2
Kind of pathetic to be honest
I'm looking at Geeks+Gamer=what a damn clown
Thank you for saying this. I was annoyed almost this entire interview
😂
The fact that they believe Mile's and Gwen's familial bonds are ignored or overshadowed during the Spider Society sequence is baffling to me when it's the impetus for the central conflict between Miles and Miguel and ultimately the reason why Gwen decides to help Miles. We know how important Miles' parents are to him, and I think it was a very deliberate choice that the movie made when it didn't physically show or cut back to them during the lead up to, and during the spider chase sequence. Their absence helps to push Miles' isolation and reinforces the emotion of Rio's speech to Miles about looking after the "little boy" for her.
It really feels like the criticisms delivered here boil down to the movie not lining up with expectations.
Yeah I agree
This!!!
100%! Time and time again these “experts” criticize movies over they not lining up with their expectations instead of for what the artists creating it bring to the table.
They should go back and watch Trailer #1 for this movie. (The one with Rio's narration) It is a PERFECT distillation of the central conflict and probably one of my favorite trailers ever now, seeing it again after the movie.
@@jahleel0077 I 100% agree
Miles makes me love being black and speaking Spanish so much !Hes such good representation for black and Latino people. His Jordan’s , where’s he’s from, his family , everything. I got chills from every part of the movie. And the end when he met himself ( with a Puerto Rican accent jaja) it was so fire. Love him so much ! Best multiverse movie and I love Wanda lol.
Real🙌
I kept thinking to myself - bruh miles' design is on point 💯 his outfits and flow were so New York and Miles 42 having an accent looking like a bachatero with them braids was on point too 🤣
@@mrlynn713 in the first one he’s in his suit with black and red Jordan’s and it’s so fireee lol
Honestly that was my favorite part of the movie - seeing Miles seamlessly flow between both aspects of his ethnic background. Rio's snapping her fingers at him in the counselor's office when she learned that he "only" got a B in Spanish, had me howling! Especially with the little Puerto Rican flag that appeared above her fingers as she snapped!
Facts
I think critics can’t help but feel like they always have to say something negative, that’s proven when you say “it’s too long, but they cut out all the fat so I don’t know what else they could’ve cut. But yea it’s too long” 🤨🤨
It's called being honest. I felt the film was too long and there were moments where it dragged. But after only one viewing its hard to pinpoint what exactly I would have cut. You have to be very careful removing scenes from a film, because you risk leaving needed info on the floor.
i knew mentally that the movie is long, but it never actually felt like a drag. every scene was amazing and fit the narrative. if they cut anything, a sizeable chunk of the plot gets cut, it's simply a pretty massive story that required a lot of working parts to make just the first half. if you can sit thru 3 hours of titanic or avatar or lord of the rings, i think 2.5h of this is pretty acceptable. if anything, it's just more bang for your cinema ticket buck.
I feel that this movie is a breath of fresh air and much needed. Considering all the abuse Peter Parker has went through, especially with what writers have done to him now. For a character like Miles, who can break canon and find a better outcome. I just find it exceedingly hopeful. Spiderman just lost MJ again, and it's pretty ridiculous how much trauma he gets. There is a reason I love the character of May Parker, she is a triumph.
I love that they are touching on the trauma=growth trope. While it makes for great drama, it's pretty f'd up and long overdue for critique in the mainstream. I hope the genre continues to move in this direction.
@@jahleel0077 Agreed. It's a little bit too much now. I think this is why I like little May Parker so much, she's a miracle baby. MJ is now lost to Peter as she has children with some other guy.
It seems like critics still want Peter Parker’s “traditional story”……
This movie was 65% - 75% Setup, but it still managed to handle multiverse better than all of the MCU, and only in 2 hours and 30 minutes, I’m serious, if they manage to seal the deal with Beyond the Spiderverse we are looking at the best superhero Trilogy of All Time.
Damn Straight
have to respect nolan trilogy but yeah if beyond is a hit, its prob more consistent than nolan even tho tdk is still king atm
@@shaanpatel9474 it's hard to compare live action and animation and be fair but in scale if this 3rd movie is anywhere near as good as the first 2 it launches to that best superhero trilogy conversation in record time
The MCU has barely introduced the multiverse. Stfu
@@antoinewright1425 this person gets it
When it comes to live action and animation ofcourse animation would do better job at freedom
I think the biggest up over the current MCU I can give Across the Spider-Verse is that it doesn't have the tonal whiplash that the MCU has developed. It has humor, with plenty of fun & quippy scenes. And it has serious scenes, and they don't really cross pollinate like the MCU has developed such a bad habit of recently.
That was my biggest complaint about GOTG3, they'd have a whacky slapstick scene and cut directly into a heart wrenching scene of animal abuse. Or they'd be in the middle of goofy bickering and then one of them yells, "Enough! We have to save our best friend from dying!"
My neck is still sore from the whiplash.
Definitely think that’s a perk of being animated
the jokes are actually funny too. it's not just "strange things happen & normal bystanders react in awe" or "hero performing important heroic tasks but some mundane thing stops the action"
@@jahleel0077 Gotg3 actually balanced it well and most of the jokes landed well too. This was the problem in Thor 4 and Quantumania, not with Gotg3
@@apoorvsingh4459 I disagree. None of the Thor 4 characters really took anything that seriously, even Jane's cancer and the god butchering felt like minor inconveniences. Whereas in GOTG3 everyone took Rockets situation *very* seriously... until they didn't and decided it was jokey jokey fun time.
Not that the jokes weren't funny. But going from one tone to the other feels way more jarring when the movie actually treats the serious stuff seriously.
As someone that likes this channel but hates anytime these “experts” come on, I am so happy to see mostly if not all comments of people not agreeing with their criticism. I am happy fans and hopefully real experts do like this beautiful movie.
This may be the greatest superhero film ever made. The banter is unmatched, the story is engaging in so many ways, and the attention to detail and artistic style just blows me away! 10/10 movie!
True. - 10/10.
The story actually is complete from Gwen’s perspective. She is in a different place with herself/her family at the end of the movie compared to the start.
If the third movie sticks the landing, I'll be comfortable calling it the best superhero trilogy ever. Up there with the Nolan Batman and Raimi movies (my favorites).
Spiderman 3 completely dropped the ball so the raimi trilogy isn’t even close to perfect.
Bro really is underestimting these movies. This trilogy has the potential to be the best movie trilogy ever made.
Raimi easy worst SM adaptation of all time!
Nolan Batman is sub compared to Keaton Batman!
@@cielararagi3195 Nah...for that the second was really bad...Peter Parker a side character in a Spider-Man Movie...gtfoh!
If the 3rd movie is just as good as the last 2, it WILL be the best super hero trilogy of all time.
The dark knight rises wasn’t that great. Spider-man 3 sucked, despite what everyone online says now. It’s only because of the bully maguire memes
So glad I’m not a critic. You could nitpick anything to death and back. This movie was amazing.
I love that they had a 14 year old animate the Daily Bugle scene with LEGO Spiderman!
Did Across the Spider-Verse do the multiverse better than the MCU?
Random ❓:
Ryan aren't you a Zelda fan? Notice you don't post about Tears of the Kingdom 😮
Yes! But part of me thinks it's unfair to compare animated with a live-action movie
No
Yes
yes
It’s was soo good I didnt even notice it was long lol I also loved the fact they had Donald Glover in it as a human.. get me excited for the future of the MCU!
Exactly, when I stopped to look the clock it already passed 2 hours. Great pace
SAME!!
This might be the first time where I think the sequel was better in the original
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, Aliens, Batman Returns, Paddington 2, Top Gun: Maverick, Toy Story 2, Shrek 2, Puss In Boots: The Last Wish, Evil Dead 2, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War, Avengers: Endgame, Thor: Ragnarok, Spider-Man: Far From Home, Spider-Man: No Way Home, Blade 2, X2: X-Men United, The Wolverine, Logan, Hellboy 2: The Golden Army, Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan, actually most of the Star Trek movies are better than the 1979 one, Blade Runner 2049, 22 Jump Street, Bride Of Frankenstein, Rocky 2, Rocky 3, Rocky 4, Creed, Creed 2, Creed 3, The Godfather Part 2, Mad Max: Fury Road, Dawn Of The Dead, The Bourne Ultimatum, Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery, A Nightmare On Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, Friday The 13th Parts 2, 4, 6, 7, The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers, The Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King
@@damnthishandleistaken cool, this is where they thought it was better than the original for the first time. This is their opinion, you didn’t have to make that list.
@@deezybeibii I just thought it'd be funny I'm not trying to enforce my opinion or anything.
@@deezybeibii It shouldn’t be considered an opinion, it’s now been more or less been solidified as factual.
@@deezybeibii The list is good, People shouldn't post comments publicly if they don't want other people to read them and then publicly post their own opinions.
It has handled the multi verse better than doc strange has.
No it hasn't. It's literally on the same level. Y'all just don't like doctor strange, y'all didn't like doctor strange the first time.
@@losgryfog The multiverse of madness is complete trash. Spiderverse actually uses fresh ideas and character beats for its multiverse
fs
@@Treck533I'm so annoyed they got rid of Scott Derrickson. He truly loves Strange & horror & I think his MoM would have been much more unique. He has so much talent, it's very frustrating seeing it being used so tritely.
Its because they didnt have a bagel
Why do people complain about the length of a movie when most binge watch shows? All the best movies are 140+ mins
And then say it's paced well and has no fat. Like what?
WHOS COMPLANING?🤺🤺
I just realized that Pavithr Prabhakar didnt have the line "Got bit by a radioactive spider " like other spidermen since according to the comics he got his powers from a spider god.
It must suck to have to work so hard to find something negative about a masterpiece just to sound respectable. I understand opinions are subjective but it’s clear how hard they are tying to find something bad to criticize.
The movie is not that long, i don’t know why that continues to be sad, it was only two hours, we’re used to that and longer movies with the MCU. And again, there’s a part two, which means there’s much more to this story, you cannot fit all of it into a. 2 hr film, it doesn’t make sense. It’s not as much of a feel good movie ITSV was, but because of its cinematography, the execution of introducing the other main characters and their impact on this storyline, also what miles’s “spiderman” journey is, it makes it was better than the first. Plus, it was able to capture so many emotions which is phenomenal writing for an animated film
Being a parent I think the tones of this movie really hit home. Just a fresh and unique movie.
This was the beat multiverse movie so far outside of Everything Everywhere. Idk wtf yall are complaining ab that its half a plot, no shit, its gonna be a trilogy. Star wars did that with Empire Strikes Back, Avengers Infinity War did it… they dont wrap everything up but they do wrap up what they can and leave the rest for the next one. I honestly loved it, i dont get the complaints.
Correction: This is not Miles story. This is Gwen's story. Even Miles story was told in a way with respect to how it would affect Gwen.
I said it as soon as I finished watching the movie. Spider man is in great hands with Sony, never sell it. They made another great Spider Man movie. Animated or not, they have the recipe.
Yeah, but they do really need some help fleshing the Spiderman villains in their life action films, Maybe hire the guys at Insomniac to write the scripts?
But their live action films suck (except Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy)
@@guskiraman not a bad idea. Insomniac has a great team too.
Sony pictures and Sony animation are 2 different studios, their live action department is straight trash ngl😅
So interesting inversion in this movie from the first one. Peter B tells Miles to focus on saving individuals, not the big picture, and in this movie, he's being pressured to do the reverse.
So far, the two Spiderverse films have handled the multiverse better than any movie I've seen since Everything Everywhere All at Once, and that was a self-contained movie. This trilogy could go down as the greatest superhero trilogy ever. I think it's on par or better than Nolan's Batman films, Ryan Coogler's Black Panther, & Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy films.
Excellent stuff and I'm not really a Spidey fan.
@@ExitStrategy1609 They're clearly going to make another one and technically, Spiderverse isn't a trilogy as of today.
@@ExitStrategy1609 “films” he didn’t say it was a trilogy smartass
Everything all at Once was Trash. Promoted gey shyt.
@@ExitStrategy1609 are you done whining? Do you need a Kleenex?
I don't understand the praise Nolan's Batman gets. The action is mid, the sound mixing is egregious, Bruce Wayne isn't very faithful to the source material, and the cinematography is boring. The acting is great, but I just don't think it's anything magical. For so many years, I was bummed about not having a definitive cinematic Batman, until Matt Reeve's masterpiece
Everyone at the Citadel of Spider-Men was rendered in their own style iirc, so Glover being in live action makes sense based on that alone. What if the animated universes are pulled into a live action universe similar to how the Ultimate universe was partially absorbed into the 616 in the comics.
marvel needs a story team. like a visual story team thats making sure the character of each character actually shines in each scene rather than get washed away. Animated movies are so much better with character because there's a whole team of people making sure everything ties in, and with the amount of cg and other complications, i think marvel needs an animation style story artist team for each film
since when did two hours and twenty minutes become a super long superhero movie, i’m not even a spiderman fan like that but this movie absolutely blew me away both times i watched it. i liked the first one, i understood the hype, it didn’t hit me like it hit everyone else. this movie was genuinely one of the best movie experiences of my life both times i’ve seen it, so much better than the first one imo. all this to say even tho everyone is entitled to their opinion, i don’t understand the criticisms honestly.
also totally unrelated i want to see more roger rabbit stuff i want to see them go all in in secret wars.
With all due respect it looked like Matt and Colton were looking hard for faults in a movie that doesn't have thing to criticize unless you go and pick stuff just because it doesn't match your personal expectations. It is one of the best Superhero movies to date period and it is the first part of a two part story, so you should take it for what it is and like Empire Strikes Back it's sustained by the success and innovation of the first one, lays the ground for the closing act and yes is way better than anything the MCU has released since Endgame.
Yeah for real. All of them were like “it’s long, but I don’t know what could be cut out.” They don’t know what to cut out because the movie was so tightly packed. And about it being a two parter, I know damn well they wouldn’t be this critical about the LOTR movies. The LOTR movies are great but but they really don’t end satisfyingly either. You gotta watch all three!!!
I got about halfway through this video and stopped. They're just struggling to find bad things to say for the sake of criticism (and probably views) and not because there was anything legitimately wrong with the film. This is why the gap between audiences and critics is widening even further these days.
@@cameronjones7747 it’s 2:15! lol. Lazy analysis and quite frankly felt a bit prejudicial. “Peter Parker” said A LOT. it’s not about PETER
@@voicedbird I just did the same thing. he was stuttering around just looking for a criticism. doesn’t even seem like he had any critique planned or thought out.
It was really hard for them to find any critiques for this film, yet instead of just saying it was a flawless movie, which I believe it is, they nitpicked. It was a shame. I legitimately believe this is the best Marvel film since Infinity War or Endgame. When it was finally over, it felt like I hadn't been breathing the entire time. It's been so long since a movie has made me feel like that, I almost wanted to cry. Can it be March 2024 already?
I feel like they did a good job of making the multiversal travel stuff relate back to Miles and his story, especially by the time they make it to Earth-42. The stakes feel bigger because of that
the whole personal battle miles was going through and the connection with his mom and dad all made me connect and resonate so much in the theaters this movie was perfect
I liked the meta aspect of 'do the thing' , meaning do the explanation that needs to happen to every movie, but that explanation includes the fact that certain events have to happen in every story!
While I like the concept. It still feels contrived since Miles UNCLE Aaron should have been SM90 enough for canon to be sated
🟣When miles goes to his doppelgänger’s room he wears his hoodie which is purple instead of red foreshadowing his counterpart is the Prowler 🟣
As a lord of the rings fan, I feel like the movie should've been longer actually to flesh out some parts and let us breathe during some scenes as it feels very fast paced. I'm aware that most people can't keep watching a movie for 3 hours in a row so I understand people thinking that the movie is long. Honestly an intermission like how they do it in theater would've been kinda great haha...
100% agreed.
I really want intermission to make a come back. I love just entering a world for 3 hours and enjoying and feeling the drama and uniqueness of their world.
Wish more directors and producers were okay w longer films
....It is. That's why part 2 comes out next year cause they realized there was too much movie for the one movie
@@animo358 yeah but I meant for the first part, to flesh it out more and maybe make it up to 2h30 or 2h45. I feel like the second half went by too fast
@@khatymiss707 honestly my only opinion is kinda the popular one. They were really struggling to pick where to put the cliffhanger. Like they could a put it when he figured out he was in the wrong dimension, when the new band went through the portal, when Prowler attacked him, and where they actually did. That was the only part that felt super dragged out
It never felt long! The pacing was amazing. When he arrives in Earth-42, I was like: oh I guess it’s only been like an hour, there’s probably a lot more movie still. I wanted another hour at least. These “experts” are grasping to make content. This movie was great and could have been longer, and I would have not realized it.
25:51 in Across the Spider-verse movie, Miguel explains how because of miles, as he is an anomaly, bunch of portals are opening, that's why Renaissance vulture came to Gwen's universe similarly, mcu vulture came in Morbius universe
Hey, Ryan! I love your channel. Your voice is always thoughtful and inclusive. So, for the love of Stan, PLEASE get some other co-contributors, besides these crusty, yt fanbois. Guys like these are why I order my comics online.
lol preach
Animation is the perfect medium for multiverse. It is a marriage of form and function. Loki and Dr Strange showed variants of characters, but the look/feel of the separate worlds were not unique enough to heighten the experience. The different animation styles give the viewer an immediate visual anchor and emotional signpost.
Exactly why won’t ever be able to make a great DBZ movie unless they spend MCU money 💯💯💰💰💰
Despite the fact that I’ve been wanting to rewatch ITSV because it’s one of my favorite movies (finally bought the dvd the other day) I was starting to get a little burnt out on multiversal themes like Colton but after watching ATSV that sentiment flew out the window 😂. I am inspired to go back to the comic book store to start looking for great comic stories in general thanks to this film.
This movie for me, is just perfect, amazing, everythinggggg. The music, the visuals, everything about it i know im saying the same thing a ton but theirs just no words for a project like this.
Sequel is much better than the first. This one was 30 minutes longer and still dragged less. That’s amazing
If Beyond the Spider-Verse manage to keep up with Across the Spider-Verse, if not to do better, this will end up as the best superhero trilogy ever... even if not one of the best trilogies ever, not just superhero ones.
I think it's easier to have a central focus on one character and all versions of that character vs mcu. They're trying to bring everyone together and shoe horn them in. Trying to collaborate everyone and every version of them together is much more difficult to do than centralizing on one character and more or less making their story branch out.
Exactly what I said after seeing the movie.
I think the image of a dystopia has just changed. When they went under it looked like a cyberpunk under-city slum situation to me, my impression of the world was a shiny outside with a rotten corrupt core. Very tomorrowland. A utopia is just a dystopia in disguise, and I definitely assumed his world was a dystopia. I mean, look how empty it was! Also I adored the pacing, I think it being two parts really gave us the room to take the time and have those scenes that people would be begging to have gotten if they were revealed as deleted scenes. The movie, like spiderman, is itself trying to have its cake and eat it too. Also, I didn't catch which world Miles was from so I missed that he was in the wrong dimension so that build up was a genuine twist for me. I think its a fun and devastating scene. The back and forth of Gwen approaching his window like she's listening but not actually being there was so good.
Having seen both Flash and Spiderman movies, I feel confused when the one guy said that Flash felt more like a "Spiderman" movie. Flash seemed like the norman summertime "blockbuster" that the production companies have to throw out there every year to justify all the money the advertisers spend to get in said movie. But Spiderman: Across the Spider-verse seemed like the movie with more heart and dedication to the source material. It dealt with a lot of heavy subjects as Miles and Gwen both struggle with their parental relationships. Yes, it did throw a lot at you with all the variants of spider people but they did such a good job of keeping the main story focused on how hard it is for Miles to find his place in all this chaos. And while it may not have an ending it definitely got the audience more invested in it's characters than Flash where most people just viewed the movie to see Batman.
Flash is 4 mins longer than spider verse 2 😂😂
The movie felt like it flew by and I actually really enjoyed it a lot! I haven't felt this way since the early days of the MCU
exactly idk wth they talking about it felt long , they clearly came into movie with prejudice
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Across The Spider Verse is Quen's Movie.... The Same way Infiniti War was Thanos's Movie... She had a total and complete arch that was ongoing through the entire movie... Everything about Canon events and Spider men losing a "Captain"Stacy aka her Dad affected her.... & her having No Band/Friends... it was a twist/story being told that I Didn't realize was being told until the very End when the Drums hit... and that realization hit hard and Made me Love this movie sooooo much more.... Great Story Telling.
I have a theory. I got a feeling Miles Morales of Earth 42 is the hero and he’s fighting against the sinister six. He was supposed to get bit by the spider, but he never did, so because of his intelligence he relies on tech to fight crime. I think he’s going to ask 1610 Miles to help him with the Sinister Six and then help him get back home and also give him a gadget to stop The Spot In the mean time the spider Gwen horde is going to stop The Spot. (Gotta put some respect on his name). Just a theory
Why did 42 uncle Aaron laugh when miles called him a good guy?
@@BluEx22329 Good question
I think since spots powers are basically the multiverse, he'll probably be the one who actually brings back sinister six from alternate universes so we have the cameo and Gwen's team fighting against sinister six and him at the end. Spot seems to be taking his time because I thought he would be already creating havoc since Miles took time to fight all the spider people so he's probably gathering the villain team from alternate universes.
@@BluEx22329 probably not a standard good guy but a vigilante/antihero . Like Robert Pattinsons Batman version
@@BluEx22329 most likely an acknowledgment that they’ve done some pretty fucked up stuff despite their noble goals
Why is Miguel worried about Miles saving his father? In a normal timeline, Miles will be fighting the Spot (which would be a part of the attempt to save his father anyways,) and then fail to save his father. All Miguel would needs to do to enforce the timeline is prevent Miles from receiving outside help. If the concern is that Miles could force the loop hole of his father quitting like Gwen did using outside knowledge, wouldn’t Gewn’s universe disintegrate if this was a dangerous action? (Great movie by the way, I loved it so much!)
Right, that's what I've been wondering too. I think Miguel's story would be explained more in the next movie to really understand the consequences of breaking/avoiding a canon event. His reasons for accepting canon events are not explained in this movie too well.
The spider verses are so good I wish this was the MCU
I liked the part when the teacher tried to make miles’s backstory out to be tragic and impoverished as a meta commentary on how everyone these days one ups each other on how difficult their life has been and how there isn’t a place for a guy who hasn’t necessarily had it easy but still has both parents and hasn’t experienced huge issues
I loved this movie..didn't expect that move to be this amazing
I would be totally fine with waiting significantly longer for MCU movies if it means the quality is higher.
It’s not entirely fair to compare live action films with animation, they are both the epitome of their genres/limitations
DUDE!!!!!! I was thinking the exact same thing
@@ExitStrategy1609 the live-action MCU films are the perfect example of how to handle comic book stories with real people. Thus far, the Sony animated Spiderman films are the perfect example of how to handle comic book stories with the unlimited range of freedom that computer animation provides.
Agree. I hate comparing live action with animation. It’s an unfair comparison heavily leaning toward unlimited creativeness in animation
Well, Everything Everywhere All At Once managed way better the multiverse concept than Doctor Strange 2 did. It should have been called "Doctor Strange: A peak into the Multiverse" rather than "Multiverse of Madness"
@@guskiraman cool, but aren’t we talking MCU live action movies vs Sony animated Spider-Man movies?
Is it safe to assume that because of the events of finale of No Way Home, there weren’t more visuals or mentions of Tom Holland Spider-Man apart from the Dr. Strange reference? Would the other Spider-Men forget a fellow Peter Parker and just know them as Spider-Man?
That's right the masterpiece has delivered
This movie might’ve been long but it didn’t feel long at all to me. I could’ve stayed there for another two hours!
Exactly! That was the fastest 2 and half hours in my life
Super random side note but no way he said moonknight was just ok
Also was anyone thinking in their head that Miles could’ve just gone invisible during that whole chase scene? Haha I couldn’t stop thinking about that for the rest of the movie.
*Ya til you realize he didn’t so he could lure them all together*
When anomalies go to another universe, they keep their own style. They don’t get written in the universe style, unless they have a stability watch.
You keep saying that you hate that 2099 isn’t in this dystopian place he is usually from. Isn’t he living in the universe that isn’t his own since the one from that universe died? Isn’t that why he’s injecting himself and also wearing the bracelet? He isn’t from the place he currently is.
Additionally, the screen showing earth 42 was a blink and you missed it moment as others have said. For more casual people like myself I didn’t pay attention so the build up was great for the final reveal.
The fact that this movie was more multiversal than DS:MoM is insane
spiderman was the first time i even saw/heard of the concept of dimensional travel and other realities. i saw it in the 90s spiderman cartoon with madam web and the beyonder. so for spiderman to be one of the only superheroes to meet themselves in other realities that actually has deeper impact and meaning to all other superheroes not just his own timeline.
feels weird that critics of this movie continue to harp on the fact that it’s a two-parter… it’s become clear to me that not everyone knew beyond the spiderverse was gonna be a thing, but cmon people. once you saw the end credit reference, you should’ve been satisfied. were y’all saying this stuff when the penultimate harry potter movie came out? or hunger games? or infinity war? LOL. it’s an unfinished story but not an incomplete movie. it had EVERYTHING and there’s still more to tell. we all don’t have to agree about it being the “best superhero/multiverse film of all time,” but can we eliminate any discourse about the fact that the story wasn’t resolved yet? IT WILL BE. also want to acknowledge that this movie will inevitably resonate with some people more than others based on personal connections to miles’ identity as opposed to a connection some folks have generally with spiderman. for me, there was an entire level of depth beyond what these SC guys were taking about and that’s OK. it can do more for some than for others. but give me a break with the incomplete story bit
33:06 My exact tweet: SpiderVerse 2 IS the "Empire Strikes Back" of Spider-Man movies.
I think that the Miguel you love was the good version who died. Spider punk was hinting the entire time that he was a bad guy. I think he was a dark universe Spider-Man who killed his clone for a better life. He’s probably the earth 42 sinister syndicate leader. Ned will probably be the hobgoblin in that universe too
It also looks like they're setting up. Spin-off show or movies.
I gotta say this honestly did do better than any Multiverse movie or show in the MCU.
One of those Toby movies you showed was pleasantville you didn’t think I’d notice but I did lol
the explanation Ryan gives about the live action characters interacting with the cartoon characters doest really hold ground - its based on the idea that characters look different in different ''style'' universes - like Gwen looks one way in her own universe but another way in Mile's universe, HOWEVER - the vultyre from the Renesans universe looked a very distinct way in the miles universe and they explicitly Commented on that fact, also the Spot appeared in a live action universe and looked like a cartoon and I think he even made a comment about that with the Venom clerk lady and tons more examples like this like SPider Punk who always had his distinkt look and even commented that Peter B Parker looked specifically realistic
I really liked your justification for the human/animations. I did think of the implications they made putting donald glover in human form in Miles universe
Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse was so good I'm still mentally struggling to process what i saw and heard.
Unlike every other Marvel film, I only saw Into The Spider Verse once. I watched it again for an hour and I immediately saw so many parallels (like Miles dad deciding not to jump but to use the stairs like Miles did..) I loved the visual style of SpiderPunk and how he was basically an evolving SEx Pistols logo. well done.
So many things to see and listen that I caught and didn't catch, like slipping in the original 70s spiderman I grew up with, the ever lasting meme of ythe multiple sipermen pointing. Genius
These guys complained about the length (a lot) yet Guardians 3 was longer...and felt a lot longer than that. I think they couldn't relate to the characters and core issues so that made it hard for them to be engaged for the duration.
I think comic books work better as a cartoon than live action movie or tv series.
Look I love the MCU and I have enjoyed the Multiverse Saga but Sony with Spider-Verse has definitely done the multiverse better it's no question.
Wait, what's your number one favorite Marvel movie of this decade so far?
I'll come back to this video once I've watched it with friends tonight
At some point the guy on the left says he didn't like that the balance was off in terms of the multiverse and Miles trying to be a good son, but my interpretation was that it's the same Spiderman on a larger scale. He is struggling to be a good son but keeps getting ripped away by his hero duties.
Colton had a terrible take. Just looking to find negatives. He was completely off base and wrong.
Its interesting how no way home was about accepting the canon with May's death and the great responsibility lesson, whereas this movie is about questioning the canon event while still keeping the lesson.
The first canon death event represents the great responsibility lesson (Peter: Uncle Ben, Gwen: Peter the friend, Miles: Uncle Aaron). While the second canon death event of the Captain represents accepting that spiderman can't always save everyone.
So No way home was about the first canon death and across the spiderverse is about the second.
1:37 Gwen's universe was beautiful!! The walls literally drip and the paint runs in the scenes with her dad. I also had just finished reading the run the comics covers were based on so every tie in to those got me hyped
This is the MCU
Did no one notice donald glover
The human prowler from spiderman homecoming was in the movie?
As far as the animation discourse goes, why would spot remain in his animated form when he pops into the venom-verse? Is it because he is not all the way in the universe so he remains in his art style? And now that I think about it, why does the vulture remain in his animation style at the beginning of the film?
Great comments and points from Ryan. It is when the guests start complaining about how long and incomplete (a part one of two stories) the movie is you lost me.
Oh one thing! This movie fixed the weird Morbius Vulture moment.
They said that villains are being pulled into random different realities. That’s what happened to Keaton. He said it had to do with “spider-man” and he was right, it just wasn’t the Dr Strange event like we thought.
It’s funny how Sony started the trend of superhero movies with the Raimi trilogy, and then started the multiverse trend with ITSV, and in both cases the original movies are better than anything that came after imo.
Gwen's world and the drums reminded me of Scott Pilgrim vs The World 🙃
Wonderful analysis, and review as always Ryan keep up the great work👍🏽.
Damn this is a lot really good dialogue and good points made about the MCU.
I was thinking, spiderman 2099 went to a universe where he was happy but died and tried to replace his dead version. From the video he was watching and the outside environment when the case started, I think the universe the spiderman headquarters is in, isn't Miguel's original universe but the nice one he tried to live in.
Based on Ryan’s “Roger Rabbit” justification, why wasn’t the Spot human when he went to Venom’s universe.
Regarding mixing of real and cartoon characters, there is an episode of the Simpsons, where Homer moves from Simpson world to Tron world so changes rendering and then to real world and becomes 'real' although still yellow. This would support Ryan's thoughts.
Nothing slows down and makes me click away faster than when you bring in other people to give their thoughts. I show up for Ryan and Doug and then I exit early, but I still click pretty much every time.
I think the movie is complete. Just like in Two Towers it was about the orcs coming to Gondor and Frodo trusting Gollum, Merry and Pippin with the Ants. It finished that story the over arching story is destroying the ring and defeating Saron. Just like the over arching story of Across is defeating Spot and saving his dad. The middle story is about Miles telling the truth about who he is (which he sort of does) and figuring out why his friends never came to see him and why he wasn’t invited to join the Spider-society. All of which are done. Plus getting to know the core three (Miles, Gwen, Peter B.) a bit better. It is a complete story it just sets up stacks for the next one. That’s why it doesn’t feel complete.
Speaking of a “4-hour Epic”, Sony should definitely do a limited release where you can watch Across and Beyond back-to-back with a short intermission in between. Those tickets would get eaten up.