I’m glad you did the back to back recap at the end, that made the differences a lot easier to hear. Having too much space between examples gives the ears too much time to reset to “normal” so to speak
This is the vid I've been wanting for months! Thank you! EDIT: Oh wow, the comparison on distance is super useful! No other "mic placement" vids out there ever seem to cover that to any real degree of detail beyond "here's right on the grille cloth, here's five feet away", and I'm shocked at how much one inch makes here! A lot of the stuff I've been trying to change by going off-axis could be *much* better changed by just staying on-axis and going about a half-an-inch back from the speaker. Thank you SO MUCH for this vid, this is going to be super-helpful for me! DOUBLE EDIT: Re: you asking whether more "how to" vids like this would be appreciated, YES! Gear reviews are cool, but things like this are far more useful to someone who generally have stuff that they like and want to get the most out of it.
For some reason I’m always partial to the off axis on the dust cap around 20 or 30 degrees and I also like the little dashes on the cone. Depending on how bass heavy a cab is I tune that with distance from the speaker. I have a Krank cab that’s hella bass heavy so I pull the mic back about an inch and it cleans the bass up significantly. It’s a great sounding cab in the room.
Euge is my other fav metal guitar UA-camr and he does a cool vid on using 2 57s one dead center and the other at a 45 degree angle and the phase cancellation kills the harsher frequencies from being dead center and it sounds so dank
Great video, Kyle. I've learned that getting most thigs, if not all of them, right at the source will always yield better final results and less fixing in the mix. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see a video where you dial in some tones for specific genres of metal 😎. Cheers!
This is incredibly useful. I'm ending up with really bad phasing on my recording and basically ending up like it's comb filtered, EQ looks like a complete mess, but I was going with the advice of angled and off center. I had forgotten about direct and on border of speaker cap.
Quick summary: Butthole, placement, pull out, movement, coming through, up, side, down, center, proper angle, back up, up close, see what you like best. Seriously though this is a great vid, simple and concise examples of mic placement.
Kyle, I like that you said to dial in the sound you like, then work with mic placement. My cabs are not real expensive, they’re Marshall Mx412A and Bs. When I close mic it sounds horrific. Great to my ears but close mic’d crap 💩 💩 💩 Either it’s the speakers (G12E-60’s or the SM57’s (which could be lemons). Something is wrong. I wear headphones connected into my interface so I hear what the mic hears. No bueno. There’s thought it could be my Marshall DSL100H head so still troubleshooting. Will try my DSL20HR too Head Mic’s Cabs Who knows
I prefer to place an SM57 halfway between cap edge and surround. Although a lot of people use the cap edge placement as their go-to, and get great tones, I have never been able to replicate the technique without getting a sharp, fizzy sound as a result. For me, moving the mic away from the cap leads to consistently useable tones. I also think that since the sound of what we hear and like in the room is created by the speaker massaging the guitar signal, it makes more sense to mic the cone, which is responsible for that unique sound we enjoy.
@@EddieJarnowski The more I experiment, the more I find that close-miking has a sound, which is most representative when I place the mic in the cap-edge position. The result is a fizzy, treble-heavy sound, but that is the close-miked sound, and to get enough brightness for recording, the mic needs to be pretty close to the center of the cap edge. Hence the classic cap edge position. If I want more realistic sounds, I place the mic closer toward the surround (about an inch away from it) and pull it back at least four inches. That gives a more realistic sound, similar to what what I hear in the room. But if I want or have no other choice but to close-mike, I find it's best to go all in and do it right, fizz and all.
How loud do you get the amp when you record like this? Is the volume house shaking ? Or just loud practicing level? Have some 100w heads and the Volume and Master Volumes are on like 1-2 when I practice. Wondering if I need to go the enclosure route or just give up and go the Two Notes Captor route with IRs.
Very clear examples, thanks! What about the two upper v30s (cabs in general), no good fom metal tones generally? Mic pre input level? -6db, -12db? Greetings from Argentina!
Ya know I’ve been following this channel since it was a little baby and I gotta say, I am far from tired of knowing you use an sm57. The consistency is very appropriated. I know what a 57 on a v30 sounds like so every time you showcase something else, I’m getting a very good idea all around how that piece of gear sounds and will react with my gear as I use the same stuff. Kyle, Not for the channel but for you to check out if you haven’t already. Try the Friedman technique. I purchased the official mic clip, and dude let me tell ya. It sounds MASSIVE and it sits strait in the mix every time! Just a suggestion for you to check out with one of your bands if the opportunity ever arises. Thanks for the awesome content!
Put your comment in my first viewer's comments video! Thanks man! Also, Yes I have a Fredman clip! I like single sm57 better but the Fredman def has it's place, and you're right, very mix friendly
@@belligerentamateur bro you’re the best! It’s nice to know I watch someone as nerdy as I am about this stuff. I mean, how many other people gonna walk around with the Friedman clip in their back pocket? Lolol not literally of course. Rock on man! Keep the solid content coming!
When I try to put the SM57 closer than 5 inches away from the grill, it's too bassy and muffled sounding. My amp is set as this: gain 5, bass 5, middle 6, treble 6. I'm using an MG30gfx. I'm not sure why when everybody else mics like that it's sounds good, but when I do it, it's over-the-top with the low end.
it's something about your setup that is not working properly then. I'm not sure if you have more than one sm57 but trying another one would be a good start, also if your miking a combo then things will be different because the speaker is going to react totally differently then in a sealed back cab
@@belligerentamateur Thanks for the quick reply. I don't have another SM57. But my dad let me borrow his MD46 Sennheiser, and that sounds more like it should sound at about an inch away from the grill. I'm using a U-Phoria UMC202HD, I've also tried a Tascam 1x2hr, and both have the same result. I'm also using Audacity to record. For the mic cable I'm using a monster classic. My guitar is a Dean MLXL equipped with 81/85 EMGs. I've noticed using an overdrive pedal makes the problem worse.
Great video, as always! At the end you mention that you always use the bottom right speaker. Is there a specific reason for that? I recently saw a video of Kohle, who explained that he mics the upper speakers of a slanted cab, it had something to do with the waves inside the cabinet. I wonder what is your opinion on that. Thanks!
Well..... guess my ears are totally fucked.... Because I couldn't tell the difference... I went to band practice today and I guess I'm going to have to start wearing ear plugs...
Considering they have dip switches on the back of them to account for proximity to other objects that were designed for exactly my situation, I'd say they're okay 😎
Also remember to record each speaker in the cab, they will all sound different, one will sound better than the other 3 .
I’m glad you did the back to back recap at the end, that made the differences a lot easier to hear. Having too much space between examples gives the ears too much time to reset to “normal” so to speak
"Oops, I bumped the mic." Bruh, why you keel me.
Great points, bro, and solid examples.
This is the vid I've been wanting for months! Thank you!
EDIT: Oh wow, the comparison on distance is super useful! No other "mic placement" vids out there ever seem to cover that to any real degree of detail beyond "here's right on the grille cloth, here's five feet away", and I'm shocked at how much one inch makes here! A lot of the stuff I've been trying to change by going off-axis could be *much* better changed by just staying on-axis and going about a half-an-inch back from the speaker. Thank you SO MUCH for this vid, this is going to be super-helpful for me!
DOUBLE EDIT: Re: you asking whether more "how to" vids like this would be appreciated, YES! Gear reviews are cool, but things like this are far more useful to someone who generally have stuff that they like and want to get the most out of it.
Shame this hasn't gottem more views. This is some high tier shit
I am not making a butthole sign...spit my coffee out...lmao! 🤣
Best line ever! Thanks for clarifying, Kyle!😂🤘🏻
I don't know how I missed this video. Great demonstration!
Off axis on egde of cap/cone seems to work nicely, on axis can get kinda harsh (amp depending ofc).
For some reason I’m always partial to the off axis on the dust cap around 20 or 30 degrees and I also like the little dashes on the cone. Depending on how bass heavy a cab is I tune that with distance from the speaker. I have a Krank cab that’s hella bass heavy so I pull the mic back about an inch and it cleans the bass up significantly. It’s a great sounding cab in the room.
I see you're using that Invective again! Not too bad, is it? Great vid. You can get a world of sounds by moving a mic an inch at a time!
I'm always hitting the LIKE button on your videos, cause I know it's gonna be always awesome!
Euge is my other fav metal guitar UA-camr and he does a cool vid on using 2 57s one dead center and the other at a 45 degree angle and the phase cancellation kills the harsher frequencies from being dead center and it sounds so dank
Great video, Kyle. I've learned that getting most thigs, if not all of them, right at the source will always yield better final results and less fixing in the mix. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see a video where you dial in some tones for specific genres of metal 😎. Cheers!
This is incredibly useful. I'm ending up with really bad phasing on my recording and basically ending up like it's comb filtered, EQ looks like a complete mess, but I was going with the advice of angled and off center. I had forgotten about direct and on border of speaker cap.
Very informative but I had to laugh at the "I'm not making a butthole" hahahha. Thanks dude
Quick summary: Butthole, placement, pull out, movement, coming through, up, side, down, center, proper angle, back up, up close, see what you like best.
Seriously though this is a great vid, simple and concise examples of mic placement.
great demo, thank you. makes me want to use amps rather than modeller :)
should a done a looper pedal. great demo
Kyle, I like that you said to dial in the sound you like, then work with mic placement. My cabs are not real expensive, they’re Marshall Mx412A and Bs. When I close mic it sounds horrific. Great to my ears but close mic’d crap 💩 💩 💩 Either it’s the speakers (G12E-60’s or the SM57’s (which could be lemons). Something is wrong. I wear headphones connected into my interface so I hear what the mic hears. No bueno.
There’s thought it could be my Marshall DSL100H head so still troubleshooting. Will try my DSL20HR too
Head
Mic’s
Cabs
Who knows
I prefer to place an SM57 halfway between cap edge and surround. Although a lot of people use the cap edge placement as their go-to, and get great tones, I have never been able to replicate the technique without getting a sharp, fizzy sound as a result. For me, moving the mic away from the cap leads to consistently useable tones. I also think that since the sound of what we hear and like in the room is created by the speaker massaging the guitar signal, it makes more sense to mic the cone, which is responsible for that unique sound we enjoy.
Too close to the center gives a pretty harsh tone imo. I put it further out too.
@@EddieJarnowski The more I experiment, the more I find that close-miking has a sound, which is most representative when I place the mic in the cap-edge position. The result is a fizzy, treble-heavy sound, but that is the close-miked sound, and to get enough brightness for recording, the mic needs to be pretty close to the center of the cap edge. Hence the classic cap edge position. If I want more realistic sounds, I place the mic closer toward the surround (about an inch away from it) and pull it back at least four inches. That gives a more realistic sound, similar to what what I hear in the room. But if I want or have no other choice but to close-mike, I find it's best to go all in and do it right, fizz and all.
Great video! How about a video demonstrating how to swap out speakers?
I'm sure I could do something like that!
Thanks for the video
How loud do you get the amp when you record like this? Is the volume house shaking ? Or just loud practicing level? Have some 100w heads and the Volume and Master Volumes are on like 1-2 when I practice. Wondering if I need to go the enclosure route or just give up and go the Two Notes Captor route with IRs.
And great video btw!
Very clear examples, thanks!
What about the two upper v30s (cabs in general), no good fom metal tones generally?
Mic pre input level? -6db, -12db?
Greetings from Argentina!
Ya know I’ve been following this channel since it was a little baby and I gotta say, I am far from tired of knowing you use an sm57. The consistency is very appropriated. I know what a 57 on a v30 sounds like so every time you showcase something else, I’m getting a very good idea all around how that piece of gear sounds and will react with my gear as I use the same stuff.
Kyle, Not for the channel but for you to check out if you haven’t already. Try the Friedman technique. I purchased the official mic clip, and dude let me tell ya. It sounds MASSIVE and it sits strait in the mix every time! Just a suggestion for you to check out with one of your bands if the opportunity ever arises.
Thanks for the awesome content!
Put your comment in my first viewer's comments video! Thanks man! Also, Yes I have a Fredman clip! I like single sm57 better but the Fredman def has it's place, and you're right, very mix friendly
@@belligerentamateur bro you’re the best! It’s nice to know I watch someone as nerdy as I am about this stuff. I mean, how many other people gonna walk around with the Friedman clip in their back pocket? Lolol not literally of course. Rock on man! Keep the solid content coming!
Find that spot, she'll let ya know 🤘
What mic stand is he using?
Be like Mike
When I try to put the SM57 closer than 5 inches away from the grill, it's too bassy and muffled sounding. My amp is set as this: gain 5, bass 5, middle 6, treble 6. I'm using an MG30gfx. I'm not sure why when everybody else mics like that it's sounds good, but when I do it, it's over-the-top with the low end.
it's something about your setup that is not working properly then. I'm not sure if you have more than one sm57 but trying another one would be a good start, also if your miking a combo then things will be different because the speaker is going to react totally differently then in a sealed back cab
@@belligerentamateur Thanks for the quick reply. I don't have another SM57. But my dad let me borrow his MD46 Sennheiser, and that sounds more like it should sound at about an inch away from the grill. I'm using a U-Phoria UMC202HD, I've also tried a Tascam 1x2hr, and both have the same result. I'm also using Audacity to record. For the mic cable I'm using a monster classic. My guitar is a Dean MLXL equipped with 81/85 EMGs. I've noticed using an overdrive pedal makes the problem worse.
Great video, as always! At the end you mention that you always use the bottom right speaker. Is there a specific reason for that? I recently saw a video of Kohle, who explained that he mics the upper speakers of a slanted cab, it had something to do with the waves inside the cabinet. I wonder what is your opinion on that.
Thanks!
You really need to test each speaker in a cab and find which one sounds best. One usually does!
I just got my FIRST SM57......yes first, the other day, WHY do all guitarists mic the bottom speaker? It's always the bottom speaker
Well..... guess my ears are totally fucked....
Because I couldn't tell the difference...
I went to band practice today and I guess I'm going to have to start wearing ear plugs...
Not if you use ax ex . Lol just kidding I’d never lol
HEy. Monitors. Too close to the wall :)
Considering they have dip switches on the back of them to account for proximity to other objects that were designed for exactly my situation, I'd say they're okay 😎
Im the 69th like on this vid. Nice
Do you go straight into a DAW or there is a preamp?
you need an interface which has built in preamps, but other than that, straight in
@@belligerentamateur I have an m-audio mobile pre would that work?