American Convair CV-990 Astrojet Promo Spot - 1962
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Film from the F.I.L.M. Archives. ULTRA-RARE AA CV-990 promo spot from 1962; features some nice close-ups of the G.E. CJ805-23B aft-fan jet engines. Not to be missed by Convair jet fans! Be sure to check my channel for the best in VINTAGE & RARE airliner videos! / classicairlinerfilms
2:01 yes we can tell how enthused you are! 😂
@FlixBus voluntary Helper No doubt it drove them all to drink trying to get the damn thing to do everything management had promised.
Great seeing the whole engine, this is about the only video I've ever found
sounds like Mr. Smithers from the simpsons lol
He’s as enthusiastic as a dead fish
2:04 “we’re very enthusiastic about it.” Haha!! I guess in 1962 that was what an enthused person looked and sounded like!
Totally. Kelly looks enthusiastic like that he just realized his house burned down that very morning allong with his wife two kids and dog
He watched his whole platoon cut down in Korea fighting for a hill. You think you got PTSD because you forgot your Facebook password
I’m old enough to have flown on AA Convair. Boy on take off, it felt as though it was like being in a rocket. 👍🏻
I envy anyone who could have flown on any plane before the Carter-era deregulation. Commercial aviation used to be so much more faster and glamorous.
@@GOFLuvr We should all be thankful that he did that. Doesn’t everyone want less government overreach? But now people complain because of who did it. 🤦♂️🤷♂️🙇♂️
@@Spyke-lz2hl My post wasn't meant to be entirely critical of Jimmy Carter's airline deregulation because it was for the better for most of America. Sure there's nothing interesting about low cost carriers, but for many people, they're the only way to fly. My main point was that before airline deregulation, flying was much more exciting than what it is today.
How cool! My dad worked for AA so our family flew frequently. But the CV 990 was just before my day. I grew up with the 707, 727, DC-10, and 747, and later, the Super 80 and 767.
@@GOFLuvr Well I did my share of pre-deregulation flying because my dad worked for AA. I can tell you that in coach you nearly always got meal service, and they gave out wings pins, playing cards, activity books for kids, and other accouterments. People would get dressed up to fly, even in coach. It really was more glamorous and luxurious. Oh they even had monogrammed stationery for first-class.
In the end of the '60 and beginn of the '70 i flow with my Mom and Dad from TXL to PMI very often in Summer Holidays! They Aircraft was an CV 990 Coronado from Modern Air! Very fast Aircraft!
I wonder what the engine guy in the vid would think about the GE9X lol.
Justin Keckhaver if we could’ve shown it to him back then he would’ve shit himself
@@Turner9090 yep a engine as wide as a 737
Why is it so slow, he'd say.
What no smoke
😂😂😂😂😂😂
An early high bypass ratio engine design, incredible!
low bypass
But still, I hadn't ever heard of the aft-fan engine until I saw the Convair 990 videos. Pretty interesting, but I can think of a couple of reasons none are being built today. Thermal stress between the 1500F exhaust of the turbine, and the -40F temperature of the air passing through the fan would have created a major source of low-cycle fatigue which would have pushed metallurgy and design of the day. And locating the fan in the aft part of the nacelle would have caused problems feeding air to the fan if there were upstream struts distorting the inlet flow.
@@andyharman3022 , which was probably why the forward-mounted fan on the Boeing 707's P&W JT3D-1 engines would become the industry standard.
Jesus, look at that smoke! Environmental regs? Not so much.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzz
Good heaven we have today much more environmentally friendly engines. :-)
Would be interesting to know the amount a 880 used vs a 777 across country, bet it's a lot less per passenger
@@donaldstanfield8862 without a doubt. mostly thanks to the turbofans like 777's GE90s
I flew on the Balair Coronado in June 1968.
Howard Hughes had influence on the design of the Convair 880 snd 990.
He also had influence over TWA..and he wanted TWA to have a fleet of Convair 880s for domestic routes and 990s for international routes.
He wanted it to be faster than the 707 and the DC8 so he suggested that Convair make the fuselage narrower...in fact a whole row of was taken our. The DC8 and 707 had 3 by 3 cross section seating but the 880 and 990 only had 3 by 2 cross section seating.
Howard Hughes and Convair were only going by the jet engines that were available during the time that it was being designed. Once the turbo fan engines appeared and were placed on the DC8 and 707, the airlines lost interest in the Convair jetliners.
American airlines wanted to cancel the entire order of 990s because they could not fly as fast as promised by Convair.
The problem was with the outer engines numbers 2 and 4.....when the speed increased to 635mph....the airplane would start to vibeate.....American airlines agreed to take delivery anyway but under protest because they had to fly the 990 at a much slower speed until the vibration problem was solved.
After a year, the entire fleet was modified..the number 1 and number 4 engines were recessed....look at pictures of the 990's outer engines when it first flew and then compare to the 990s when in service a few years later
.you will see the difference in the outer engines
That modification solved the vibration problem but it was too late...American airlines demanded a huge discount...other airlines went with the DC8 or 707 instead....so these jetliners were not successful in terms of business.
Besides having a much narrower fuselage than the DC8 and 707, the 990 entered into service 4 years after the 707 and 3 years after the 707....although the airlines were extremely interested in buying jetliners at that time, the DC8 and 707 had the market cornered so the Convair jetliners couldn't compete.
Boeing produced a scaled down lightweight version of the 707 abd called it the 720.
It was about the size of the 880..just a little bigger but it had the larger 707 fuselage. Boeing priced it just a little bit less expensive than the 880 in order to drive it out of the market and Boeing succeeded.
Convair lost major sales when United airlines and Eastern airlines purchased the 720 instead.
The 880 and 990 were popular with passengers and pilots loved to fly them.
The owners of Spantax airlines of Spain, abdolutely loved the 990 and began purchasing them from other airlines in the late 1960s.
They were successful flying the 990 throuout European routes throughout the 1970s and 1980s. The 990s were doing a great job during that time periodin the midst of 727 s, 737s, and Arbusses.
So the 880 and 990 left their mark in the airline history. They were certainly beautiful to look at and when jets were new they were smokey indeed...but that was cobsidered normal in their day. Fuel prices were cheap and loud engines were the standard.
The people who were around back then, remember the 880 and 990 with a certain nostalgia.
Might of had a chance if they made it with 6 abreast seating but Howard didn't want that but you gotta admit any passenger jet with 4 engines from the B 58 hustler is kinda cool
😊
When I went to Colorado Aero Tech back it 1990, they had several of these engines. They were acquired from Denver Ports of Call travel club. They had several of these ex American 990s. They also had a ex American 707. One of the 990s was made into a restaurant that was located at Erie air park near Lafayette Colorado.
I flew on those Ports of Call 990's many times
'Geez! My Dad smoked less than this bird' was my first impression when watching this film. CV880/990 were amazing, along with the 4 engine Douglas
- Contact, 50 nautical miles
- Did you get It in the radar?
- No, it's in visual range.
More like 100 miles on a clear day
@@ronparrish6666 HA HA ... sounds about right.
Fastest cruising jetliner of its day until the 747 came out.
I don't think that the 747 was faster than the Coronado!
@@alexanderboche7867 The 747 had a Mmo of 0.92 The CV880/990 had a Mmo of 0.88
This is entertaining on many levels :-D Thanks to whoever preserved these films.
Love listening to Engineers explain their creations! Takeoff like the 727’s and more!
So basically this plane is a giant flying race car since it’s made for speed.
Not as fuel efficient like the junk today but definitely a lot Faster 60 years ago!
And you got completary champagne free!
If only.they left the afterburner on the GE engines from the B58 it would have been a lot faster
@@ronparrish6666 Like the way you think!😆
Beautiful. So sad it didn't sell well
My father flew the 990 in the early '60's for AA. Said it flew okay but he much preferred the 707.
But the CV 990 was faster than the 707! Every Body has his own taste,i Like more the Coronado!
Educational and entertaining! Thank you for the upload!
It looks like they burned coal!
Fantastic smokers on those wings.
That's just too cool. I never had a chance to fly on a Coronado (United used DC-8's) but remember seeing them at BWI, LAX, and San Francisco. The engines had a distinct sound unlike anything else, very unique. Beautiful aircraft though. Another Classic Aviation grand slam, thanks!
This acceptance pilot guy...something seems off with this dude. What planet did people come from back then?
The opening of this wonderful video does contain the most annoying music in the history of videos. Fortunately, it goes away quickly. As others have noted I too never knew there was a turbo fan engine in 1962. I often flew on the 880's and 990's (with their curious "speed pods" ...i.e., fuel containers, duh) on American Airlines -- ORD-LAS -- ORD-LAX, but never felt any difference between those aircraft and the 707. Also, I believe Elvis owned an 880 as well as a Lockheed Jetstar.
I love the Clutch Caro danger music that starts this out.
Oh yeah.....all those violins
he does not look to enthusiastic
People were camera shy then. Not like the narcissistic selfie obsessed generation today.
The first turbofan aircraft and the fastest airliner of its time, soon to be passed by the 747 in 1969 and then the Concorde in 1976.
This is awesome. The announcer couldn't get away from the area rule talk fast enough. 😂
I was surprised that the subject even came up. It would take much longer than a 2-minute segment in an 8-minute video to explain it. As I remember from my readings in aerodynamics many years ago, the area rule stated that the transverse cross-sectional area of an aircraft along its length should vary gradually, avoiding abrupt increases and decreases, in order to minimize drag as much as possible.
This video is just screaming for Mystery Science Theatre 3000 treatment.
BAHAHAHAAH!!
Yes!
Plenty of opportunities for well-placed burns 🔥
Kelly sounds like Mr. Smithers lmfao
I had no idea they fan jets in 1962 now one engine produces 100,000 ilbs of thrust
The rear fan had a major issue that made the 990 the only airliner with a rear mount fan.
The rear fan had hot gas turning it on the inside near the hub and cold bypass air on the outside all on the same blade separated by very little distance. As I understand it the dichotomy of temperature caused some engine issues that were not present on the Pratt & Whitney turbofan engines. The fan on the P&W fan was entirely in cold air while the turbine driving the fan stayed in the hot section. There were no parts that lived both in the hot section and also in the cold bypass air.
When were the first turbofan engines introduced? I was thinking that the aft-fan was an add-on feature to an already existing turbojet engine. A two-spool engine design would have to be completely new, and would take a long time to develop. I guess a single-spool front-fan engine could be designed, but it would be very compromised.
@@andyharman3022 , Rolls-Royce gets credit for the first turbofan - the Conway - introduced in 1960 to the best of knowledge by BOAC in its Boeing 707-400s.
"Gee, Dick isnt she running a bit rich"
I was surprised the aft fan was a power turbine, but makes sense after learning a bit more about the process.
Great video. Good info especially when showing how the rear fan worked.
Yes, there's so little video about these engines I've found, so far.
Lots of issues with fan working cold air in such close proximity to the power turbine operating in the exhaust on the same disc.
They really learned a lot around this time on engine design.
Great explanation of how these (new) engines worked. Loved to see the Swissair plane ready to deliver in the background at 6:20 (they called it „Coronado“ @Swissair instead „Astrojet“😉).
If you gave me a choice today 2023 of flying on a 60 year old 990 Astro Jet American Airlines restored with the same spacing,food , rules regulations and service from 1962 American Airlines or today's Boeing 737 Max or 777 or 767 service, I will take the Old faster 990 ASTRO Jet along with the 60s service and at least I won't have to look at geriatric fat stewardess,oh sorry flight attendants! And I'll get there faster in style on the 60 year old Convair 990 ASTRO Jet!
The Boeing 777 has the same cruise speed as the 990 and has more range as well. I'd take the 777 over the 990 any day of the week, "fat stewardess" and all.
@tiadaid After sixty years the same cruise speeds, Boeing I rest my case! 🤣
@tiadaid What ??? After 60 years 😃 😊 😀 It took Boeing that long?? I'll stick with what my original post stated and good luck flying that death cruiser 737-MAX. Good day!
Drank the hell out of kerosene!
I went to work for AA in 1967 but never got a chance to fly on a Convair 990. I think AA was pretty happy to get rid of these things around that era. One thing that sticks out in my mind was how much they polluted the air.
An awesome piece of engineering that was ultimately a commercial failure. This happens frequently in the ultra-conservative aviation industry: Innovation is met with skepticism.
The music they dubbed onto these old films was so very suckingly BAD!
Astrojet because it makes the sky black like the starry night - still, wonderful and deeply missed in this sterilised composite world of modern aviation.
The 990 was also known as the "Coronado," coined by Swissair to the best of my knowledge.
John Eddy
You are correct.
Just look at all that pollution! A good first 20 years of the jet age and we're denying climate change isn't real? The fact that jets don't spew out dark exhaust anymore has certainly helped reduce the amount of pollution today which is always a good thing. Air travel is also 100x's safer thankfully. I was born in 1970 and can remember when plane crashes were more frequent than today. I remember the 1982 Air Florida Potomac River crash, the 1989 United Airlines Sioux Falls crash landing, the Eastern Airlines Everglades crash and I believe the last major accident was the 2008 Continental Express crash in Clarence NY, just outside of Buffalo, where I'm from. I flew back and forth btwn Buffalo and NYC countless times and had taken that particular flight out of EWR several times!
There is no such thing as man made climate change only cultist believe in that BS! Liberals
Sioux City, Iowa, not Sioux Falls.
Jeebus. Watching this there's o question why Convair went out of business. Crazy old codgers running the show.
Engineering team: Management promised we could do WHATT!?!💥
What a beautiful old beast!
Amazing classic footage other subscribers
Early 70s on Delta, never flew any faster between Cincinnati and SLC.
I wonder if they did make it 6 abreast seating if it would of had a better chance against the 707 and DC 8
We are deeply enthusiastic that this airplane we bought to fly at 635 MPH can just about manage 575 MPH, thus making it no faster than the larger and much more efficient 707. We are just pleased as pleased can be!
The engineers must have been ready to kill management when they heard all the promises they made to AA...lol
Faster than a 747
@@turkey0165 I suspect you are thinking of the Convair 880 which had a true max cruise speed of 615 MPH. The 747, particularly in the early days, cruised at or above the final economic cruise speed of the Convair 990 which was 575 MPH.
Thank you, Agent 86!
Good one, Chris. Thanks for finding & posting it.
Thank you!
underrated plane, didn’t get the success it deserved
It was a cool airplane, but the cabin was too small, the engines too complicated (costly to maintain), and despite being a fan, burned too much fuel to be successful. Still a very cool aircraft!
What a dirty boid!
Breathe in that smoke!
Wow look at that smoke!
Looks like tom & Jerry's music 😍
No one could be bothered solving the combuster smoke LOL...I guess because it never caught on as a contender for the 707 or DC-8, they just never got around to it.
Apparently Spantax, the last sizeable 990 operator, engineered a combustion chamber mod that almost eliminated the smoke--but the 990s were deep in the twilight of their careers by then.
Did he say it had an _asthma engine_ ? Smoking like a chimney.
I'm grateful for this movie!! Very nice!!
Nice Video Parabéns 😍😍😍😍
smoking ugly beast of an aircraft 😍
There is a Convair 990 on public display at the entrance of Mojave Air & Space Port in California
In Switzerland there is one Coronado at the Verkehrshaus Luzern! It's an Museum! The Livery is Swiss Air! Swiss Air gave that great Name to that Aircraft: Coronado! And 1 is standing at the Airport of Mallorca PMI!
Boy. He is pretty enthusiastic about it.
WHY did they always use the CHEESY OVERLY DRAMATIC CORNY B MOVIE MUSIC?
And Kenny is so enthusiastic.........
BAHAHAHAAH!!
I've only flown on 707's, not the 990. I wish that I could have. An advanced, strong and fast airplane. I've always loved it. Thanks for this post.
What's up with that overly DRAMATIC cornball music?
Surprised this could "promo" anything, let alone an aeroplane 🤣
Honestly a terrible production, this contained no information at all.
Orgullosos de tanta contaminación que hacía y ellos felices
Why old american films feature people with such thick nasal accent? Did everyone spoke that way back then in America?
Everyone smoked back then.
Keep that flutter under control.
Late years...👏👏👏👏👏🎼🎵🎶☕🛬✈
Can anyone tell me why the walls of the bypass air duct - called "inner cowl" in this video - happen to be corrugated? I guess this was done for reasons of structural reinforcement, but wouldn't it distort the airflow and create unwanted turbulences in the bypass air stream?
That corrugation is on the outside of the duct, not the inside, where the air passes through.
@@cityofabscissae Thanks for clarifying. At 2nd glance, I noticed that the inside of the duct appears smooth ...
Kelly looks very enthusiastic.
Thank you
What an interesting
Why did they all sound like they were about to fall asleep themselves? No matter how many times they said the word enthusiatic, we just couldn't feel it when they all spoke with such drowsy voice and sluggish pace!
What a beauty
Dudes r so bad in interviews just like Ben in parks and rec
What a hideously filthy set of engines.
Luvin' it.
Smokes worse than a 707.
Is it safe to say you're not a snow flake Kathleen shaw? Lol. good for you. I'm environmentally friendly you could say and I'm glad we are doing better than we used to, but no need to hate on it, we weren't evil back then, life just was what it was. My 1st car couldn't get 20mpg if it was rolling downhill in neutral lol. Had a lot of fun in that seats about 20 lol. Everyone pitched in a dollar for gas ana we would cruise for hrs. My 1st flight was in a 707. I was just a kid. I do remember it though and I would love to fly in one again for nostalgia smoke and all. There was a charm to these planes. They were all distinctive. Now they all look the same. 2 giant engines on the wings, some bigger than others.
Elvis had one of these as a private jet. Long live the king.
Love it!
All those guys probably World War II veterans
too young for WWI and too old for WWII. They missed out on dying on the battle field so they could tinker with flying machines