Can we get a video about the splitter too? Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of pitchers added a splitter to their arsenal/ throwing it more this year.
Yep--will do! I did something earlier in the year discussing why I thought pitchers would add splitters this year (having to do with success of Japanese pitchers). And I have a detailed interview with Gausman on his splitter. But can do more
with the hitters swings focusing so much on exit velo they are pulling more with bottom hand as it is a faster swing, but it cuts the bat across the zone vs extending through it, this plays into missing pitches that break away horizontally, what we call running out of barrel.
So....what is the difference between a slider and a curveball then? I was always under the impression that a curveball had more vertical movement than horizontal, with a slider the opposite. Half of the pitches called 'sliders' or 'sweepers' to me just look like tight curves...some even drop 12/6. Then you have the slurve which is again...just the same stuff but slower? At the end of the day it's all schematics, but weird to just pull out a new designation that seemed to already exist with the breakout of the term 'slider' a few decades ago
Slider has predominantly bullet/gyro spin (harder than a CB generally, drops due to not having back spin like a fb, and may have some horizontal). Curveball has 12-6 (top spin). Slider has been a term for a lot more than a few decades (started nearly 90 years ago). Why be stagnant in pitch terms and not label things more precisely?
@@PitchingNinjaVideos You're a dope, Roger Beshens football slider, stiff wrist if wrist is rolled, roll the wrist it's a curve. On center grip, throw like football of course will have football spin, the stiff wrist makes it break late, no need for wake BS roll wrist it's a curve. There's no science needed to learn it and throw it. Did you ever pitch in your life? If not, stop preaching something that can someone's arm. Look at the Rays I hope to god they don't have any consultants you know about! Those guys could F up any good thing.
Pitchers throw more variety of pitches today than yesteryear. More pitchers throw glove side breaking pitches and arm side. More pitchers throw multiple pitches vs 2. Regarding what a pitch does a change-up that gets outs (weak ground balls, fouls for strikes) vs a slider that buckles knees can be pretty equal pitches or one better than the other
It's crazy what pitchers are doing in today's game. New pitches are being created, velocity is sky high, control is better, command is better etc. It's crazy to think about it, but the old time greats wouldn't even be able to make the roster these days. Old time pitchers like Maddux and Glavine wouldn't make the team and the way hitters are these days they would get shelled. If you go back to the even older days of the soft tossing Bert beveley/ bruce stutter types they are on the elite high school/average college level. If you go back to the very old days I can't even imagine how terrible those hall of famers would seem.
Another issue nobody brings up is athleticism. Baseball isn't getting the best, top rated athletes anymore either. Most of the guys are second rate athletes. The generational and first rate guys are going to football and basketball. The day Baseball becomes popular/cool again and the best athletes choose to play baseball more often is when the sport will really take off. It's been at least 30 years or more since the top rate guys choose to play baseball.
Hell, just 10 years ago 95 mph fastballs used to be elite velo and most guys who threw near 100 had no control. The other fastballs were sitting mid to high 80s, breaking balls were like high 70s and low 80s and changeups probs topped out at 85 mph. Now guys are regularly throwing 100 with great control, 100mph 2 seamers, cutters, sinkers, splitters, 90+mph changeups and breaking balls are even hitting 90 mph with insane break. It's astounding to me that hitters still manage to hit these things but it's no surprise that league wide batting average has been going down since pitching tech is developing at a crazy rate. It's also no wonder why the knuckleball has pretty much gone obsolete in favor of throwing gas, and I just wonder if the screwball will ever make a comeback 🤣
@@saviorofs0ng the biggest difference in pitching today vs just 10 years ago, is the high speed cameras. So many pieces moving in multiple ways in a 95mph+ delivery that have to be sync up in time. Plus, you can't see issues with the naked eye on those mechanics to improve. Honestly, with movement I'm not sure. It's just different with a different style. Pitching ninja, other pitching gurus and hard-core data guys talk about seam shifted wake a lot. They speak about it as a new concept that allows you to have more movement blah blah, but that's not true. A lot of this is marketing, promotion and some of the data guys being able to put a spin on something to keep their job, pun intended. They basically just created a name for a two seam fastball concept that has been understood since live ball Era. Working the two seam fastball or whatever off the big circle has been around for ever, especially for outside the ball guys. They are doing the same thing with the sweeper/slider. A lot of these guys are super smart and know how to make their job seem even more necessary lol. Understanding high velocity mechanics is the biggest difference today. The way they go about pitching is different too. We have more consistent high velo guys, not sure about movement. I don't think movement is more nowadays, just different zones pitching etc. Also, pitchers are going to have their own Balco scandal in the next 10 years. Nobody is talking about shocking rampant steroid use by pitchers today. It's worse than it's ever been. The game ebbs and flows and I'm excited for what the next difference in pitching will come once this way is ineffective.
I don't have spin rates on them, but no I don't think so. I think he had a pretty gyro heavy slider, but it looked like it broke a lot because of his low arm slot and long arms.
@@PitchingNinjaVideos You're a dope, Over the top vertical drop, tick down horizontal sweep, the Gyro and Sweeper is the Roger Beshens football slider. Everyone inside MLB knows that.
Right. As I’ve mentioned, the sweeper isn’t a new pitch. But our ability to replicate it is. Pitchers lucked into throwing sweepers. It was more rare. Now it’s become common because we know the science behind why it moves and why it’s effective
@@PitchingNinjaVideos Ninja, they are talking about you. You've been exposed. 2 or 4 seam grip is seam shift and and the stiff wrist makes the ball break late that's a wake, lol, seam shifted wake is Scheme shifted Fake, that's the Roger Beshens football slider. on center grip, throw like a football, stiff wrist. MLB pitchers know that, Al Leiter mentioned inside that you make things up and they laugh at you. There over 600 guys now that Roger Beshens taught his football slider since 2018. What did you do to Amir Garrett? Did he have a mental breakdown learning it from Roger and using you as his comfort daddy? Sonny Gray speaks like he has some active spin up his rear, stick your thumb up there and make it inactive. Pitchers appreciate knowing the Roger Beshens Grip, tilt and wrist action for his football slider, your nonsense is just for entertainment only.
I find this distinction unnecessary. To me sliders were always characterised by the lateral movement, some more, some less. I always found it weird to see pitches with hardly any lateral movement (that looked more like mini curveballs) be referred to as sliders.
At 2:20 I think they make good points on why it’s being called out. There’s always been these pitches but people are noticing how differently every pitch moves and it’s interesting to identify in a tighter category. Along with teams it makes it easier to prepare if you know a guys slider sweeps more. It’s nitty gritty but to nerds like me I love it 😂
I think the analysis is very important here. 12-6 curve ball is like our baseline. Then you start to say slurve, slider, sweeper it becomes about command, speed and break and how it fits in arsenal. Sometimes a pitcher can throw a crazy pitch but it doesn't fit into an approach.
It's a slider thrown properly. A lot of pitchers were throwing bad ones but now they're able to teach more of them to throw it properly because of technology.
I guess Professor Darvish is too advanced when it comes to spin for you kindergarten guys to mention. Lol Yu can get more movement on his vast arsenal of pitches than anyone, including Ohtani.
Can we get a video about the splitter too? Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of pitchers added a splitter to their arsenal/ throwing it more this year.
Yep--will do! I did something earlier in the year discussing why I thought pitchers would add splitters this year (having to do with success of Japanese pitchers). And I have a detailed interview with Gausman on his splitter. But can do more
33 minutes about a single baseball pitch? Yes please
I like the old guys that call it a "big breaking ball".
with the hitters swings focusing so much on exit velo they are pulling more with bottom hand as it is a faster swing, but it cuts the bat across the zone vs extending through it, this plays into missing pitches that break away horizontally, what we call running out of barrel.
So....what is the difference between a slider and a curveball then? I was always under the impression that a curveball had more vertical movement than horizontal, with a slider the opposite. Half of the pitches called 'sliders' or 'sweepers' to me just look like tight curves...some even drop 12/6. Then you have the slurve which is again...just the same stuff but slower?
At the end of the day it's all schematics, but weird to just pull out a new designation that seemed to already exist with the breakout of the term 'slider' a few decades ago
Slider has predominantly bullet/gyro spin (harder than a CB generally, drops due to not having back spin like a fb, and may have some horizontal). Curveball has 12-6 (top spin). Slider has been a term for a lot more than a few decades (started nearly 90 years ago). Why be stagnant in pitch terms and not label things more precisely?
@@PitchingNinjaVideos You're a dope, Roger Beshens football slider, stiff wrist if wrist is rolled, roll the wrist it's a curve. On center grip, throw like football of course will have football spin, the stiff wrist makes it break late, no need for wake BS roll wrist it's a curve. There's no science needed to learn it and throw it. Did you ever pitch in your life? If not, stop preaching something that can someone's arm. Look at the Rays I hope to god they don't have any consultants you know about! Those guys could F up any good thing.
Thanks for finally making the vid man!!!
Pitchers throw more variety of pitches today than yesteryear. More pitchers throw glove side breaking pitches and arm side. More pitchers throw multiple pitches vs 2. Regarding what a pitch does a change-up that gets outs (weak ground balls, fouls for strikes) vs a slider that buckles knees can be pretty equal pitches or one better than the other
Some pitchers even ramp up their changeups way past 90 mph. We're seeing what constitutes changeups being redefined.
😂 I always assumed that's what a good slider looks like. When I pitched I'd throw mine like this. (At least as best as I could lol)
It's crazy what pitchers are doing in today's game. New pitches are being created, velocity is sky high, control is better, command is better etc. It's crazy to think about it, but the old time greats wouldn't even be able to make the roster these days. Old time pitchers like Maddux and Glavine wouldn't make the team and the way hitters are these days they would get shelled. If you go back to the even older days of the soft tossing Bert beveley/ bruce stutter types they are on the elite high school/average college level. If you go back to the very old days I can't even imagine how terrible those hall of famers would seem.
Another issue nobody brings up is athleticism. Baseball isn't getting the best, top rated athletes anymore either. Most of the guys are second rate athletes. The generational and first rate guys are going to football and basketball. The day Baseball becomes popular/cool again and the best athletes choose to play baseball more often is when the sport will really take off. It's been at least 30 years or more since the top rate guys choose to play baseball.
Hell, just 10 years ago 95 mph fastballs used to be elite velo and most guys who threw near 100 had no control. The other fastballs were sitting mid to high 80s, breaking balls were like high 70s and low 80s and changeups probs topped out at 85 mph. Now guys are regularly throwing 100 with great control, 100mph 2 seamers, cutters, sinkers, splitters, 90+mph changeups and breaking balls are even hitting 90 mph with insane break. It's astounding to me that hitters still manage to hit these things but it's no surprise that league wide batting average has been going down since pitching tech is developing at a crazy rate. It's also no wonder why the knuckleball has pretty much gone obsolete in favor of throwing gas, and I just wonder if the screwball will ever make a comeback 🤣
@@saviorofs0ng the biggest difference in pitching today vs just 10 years ago, is the high speed cameras. So many pieces moving in multiple ways in a 95mph+ delivery that have to be sync up in time. Plus, you can't see issues with the naked eye on those mechanics to improve.
Honestly, with movement I'm not sure. It's just different with a different style. Pitching ninja, other pitching gurus and hard-core data guys talk about seam shifted wake a lot. They speak about it as a new concept that allows you to have more movement blah blah, but that's not true.
A lot of this is marketing, promotion and some of the data guys being able to put a spin on something to keep their job, pun intended. They basically just created a name for a two seam fastball concept that has been understood since live ball Era. Working the two seam fastball or whatever off the big circle has been around for ever, especially for outside the ball guys. They are doing the same thing with the sweeper/slider. A lot of these guys are super smart and know how to make their job seem even more necessary lol.
Understanding high velocity mechanics is the biggest difference today. The way they go about pitching is different too. We have more consistent high velo guys, not sure about movement. I don't think movement is more nowadays, just different zones pitching etc. Also, pitchers are going to have their own Balco scandal in the next 10 years. Nobody is talking about shocking rampant steroid use by pitchers today. It's worse than it's ever been. The game ebbs and flows and I'm excited for what the next difference in pitching will come once this way is ineffective.
Yet the ERA’s are higher today.
fastball, change of speed, and control will still get hitters out. and a follow thru into a fielding position might save a few runs.
How about 30min of sweeper Grips (and arm action) ?
What is the difference between the sweeper and the gyroball?
Gyro would be a bullet spin...goes straight down
"I got 8 inches on mine" 😂😂😂😂
Are all Randy Johnson sliders sweepers?
I don't have spin rates on them, but no I don't think so. I think he had a pretty gyro heavy slider, but it looked like it broke a lot because of his low arm slot and long arms.
@@PitchingNinjaVideos You should do a video on Randy Johnson's slider
@@PitchingNinjaVideos You're a dope, Over the top vertical drop, tick down horizontal sweep, the Gyro and Sweeper is the Roger Beshens football slider. Everyone inside MLB knows that.
There are 1968 videos of Bob Gibson throwing sliders/ sweepers! The grip change is basic! Also the slurve is basic a sweeper
Right. As I’ve mentioned, the sweeper isn’t a new pitch. But our ability to replicate it is. Pitchers lucked into throwing sweepers. It was more rare. Now it’s become common because we know the science behind why it moves and why it’s effective
@@PitchingNinjaVideos Ninja, they are talking about you. You've been exposed. 2 or 4 seam grip is seam shift and and the stiff wrist makes the ball break late that's a wake, lol, seam shifted wake is Scheme shifted Fake, that's the Roger Beshens football slider. on center grip, throw like a football, stiff wrist. MLB pitchers know that, Al Leiter mentioned inside that you make things up and they laugh at you. There over 600 guys now that Roger Beshens taught his football slider since 2018.
What did you do to Amir Garrett? Did he have a mental breakdown learning it from Roger and using you as his comfort daddy?
Sonny Gray speaks like he has some active spin up his rear, stick your thumb up there and make it inactive.
Pitchers appreciate knowing the Roger Beshens Grip, tilt and wrist action for his football slider, your nonsense is just for entertainment only.
I throw a sweeper now. I am not ashamed
Pitching Ninja talking about the hottest new drill rap group from NYC?!?!? This is what i subscribed for🔥🔥🔥
They’re sliders. You’re welcome.
I find this distinction unnecessary. To me sliders were always characterised by the lateral movement, some more, some less. I always found it weird to see pitches with hardly any lateral movement (that looked more like mini curveballs) be referred to as sliders.
At 2:20 I think they make good points on why it’s being called out. There’s always been these pitches but people are noticing how differently every pitch moves and it’s interesting to identify in a tighter category. Along with teams it makes it easier to prepare if you know a guys slider sweeps more. It’s nitty gritty but to nerds like me I love it 😂
I think the analysis is very important here. 12-6 curve ball is like our baseline. Then you start to say slurve, slider, sweeper it becomes about command, speed and break and how it fits in arsenal. Sometimes a pitcher can throw a crazy pitch but it doesn't fit into an approach.
It's been sooooooo annoying to hear my royals announcers telling me it's a sweeper. What is that lol. I know what a slider is
It's a slider thrown properly. A lot of pitchers were throwing bad ones but now they're able to teach more of them to throw it properly because of technology.
What's up with this dude's moving liquid hair?
It's because with these video calls, you can blur the background. When you move, your body profile also blurs on the edges
His camera is focusing on him but it’s got too strong of a blur on the background 😂
I guess Professor Darvish is too advanced when it comes to spin for you kindergarten guys to mention. Lol Yu can get more movement on his vast arsenal of pitches than anyone, including Ohtani.
First
started throwing a sweeper after going to Oliver Drake mechanics... FILTHY
first lol