Hi @MSK, I have faced this exact issue with my duke 200 bs6. Service centre first replaced spark plug, cleaned throttle boddy and also they changed some sensor on the throttle body. But none of them solved the stalling issue. Finally after dropping mails to Ktm india and checking with service centre, they replaced my whole throttle body. This has finally solved the issue. My bike was under warranty and thus it did not cost me anything. Hope you see my comment and this really helps.
Faced the same issue on my 390 BS6, complained numerous times but they couldn’t figure it out, it was really dangerous during highway rides, thought gen 3 would be better but it’s disappointing to see the same problem.
Msk Bhai 14:27 pe 6th gear mae 30 ki speed hogi toh meri 2nd Gen 390 bhi stall kar jati hai❤❤may be this bike needs specific gears in specific speeds ❤️and bhai cold start karne pe 1-2 try mae hi start hoti hai meri 390..may be yeh sab ktm ka problem hai...btw love your vlogs bhai ❤
I think the bike is stalling as you are on low speeds at higher gears which is the problem in the newer 390s... you have to be at right gear at right speed I guess...
Vo saalon se bike chala rahe hai Superbikes se leke chooti bikes bhi chalaya hai unhone I guess itna to unko bhi pata hoga ki kab kitne speed me kaun sa gear par rehna hai
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I just got one. I have faced 3 stalls in 200kms of riding but noticed once i filled 97octane fuel off a reputed pump the bike has not stalled even once..this may be due to bad fuel n dirt particles clogging up inside.
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This problem is a problem for ECU flash files.ECU can't communicate properly with injectors very common in Bajaj and ktm. Like Royal Enfield high rpm problem was seen some time ago. The only solution would be to bring in a new model of ECU like Royal Enfield was coming up with
You are such an a$$hole bro😂😂 Every person can be a true Indian for you just if he satisfies your criteria 😂😂 Who TF do you think you are to consider him a true Indian?
Gadi stall hone ka issue gadi ke engine idle speed ki wajah se ho sakta hai. Previous generation Duke 390 ka idle speed 2000rpm ke paas tha. Aur abhi jo latest duke hai uska idle 1500rpm ke paas hai. Toh jub sudden throttle band karte hai toh rpm 1500 se bhi niche chala jaata hai. Ye wajah ho sakti hai bike stalling ki.
Bro change the spark plug to NGK iridium spark plug you won't be having this issue and try to fill 100 octane fuel in your bike will give you good performance and power with clean combustion
Msk bhai all the new generation ktm 390 ka engine has a very bad low torque, so maintain 4000-4500 rpm at every gear and while changing gear maintain a rpm of 5000. While cold start wait for the ECU to fully switch on then start your bike for cold start. Bike key on karte hi ek sound aayega ECU start hone ka and jab woh sound click karega tab start karna. I have an ADV 390 and faced these same problems in my bike,so when I changed my riding style the problems got solved. Specially KTM 390 engines need to be ridden on high RPM as it has a very low torque. These problems were faced after 2020 changes to the 390 engines. Please make ride plan towards rourkela sometime MSK bhai.. Love you Bhai Thank you. Your Biggest Fan From Rourkela, Odisha
White Topping (cement road) is done because it lasts long than asphalt but main reason is not that. The reason is corruption. To lay an asphalt road of 1km it costs around 40-60L now but 1km of White topping costs 8 crores, so larger share of commission. I got the 8 crore quote from Bengaluru roads quotation itself. These white topping roads dont have much grip like asphalt roads and the politicians can again make money on these white topped roads by ridges contract (the grip ridges wear out very fast on these so a contract has to be floated again to create new ridges or roughness on these roads), so more commission to these politicians. If doubt please search the BBMP(Bengaluru Municipality) things on this.
this is the reason why first lot bikes should not be purchased. It is better to wait for few months so that we can clearly understand the positive sides and issues or problems that arise in the bikes especially KTMs. So i would suggest everyone for deciding whether to buy or not after next lot models arrive or wait for few months before making final decision to buy the bike.
Hi MSK this chetan crhobbies youtube I have also parched ktm250 adv the same problem I also face battery drained in ew bike 1Month I am yous nitrogen air in my bike
Same problem Gen 2 BS VI 390 Duke k sath bhi hain, and I'm facing the same problem from the date of purchase (July 2020 - 1st lot of BS VI Gen 2 390 Duke) till now, mainly the cold start issue I need to crank for 3-4 times now before it took 2 cranks. I want to see the solution. Love from Kolkata ❤ MSK❤🔥✌🏻
Bike bnd hone ka reason. Battery current ni ho skta kbhi bhi.petrol aur air combustion engine spark plug ke pass ache se ni hota tb hota lekin usse phle fuel injector ki cleaning bhi part hota.steps yi hai phle fuel injector then spark current and mixing of air and petrol thats it.
Hello sir.. mene bhi ktm duke 390 2024 kharidi hai.. mene bike jyada to chalai nahi pr bar bar band hoti hai.. mujhe apse baat krni thi.. me bhi mumbai se hu. Pls reply
I had faced a similar issue with my new duke 250. It was fixed with a sensor replacement (around the engine). I'm not sure but it was called some TPS sensor
its not electrical, its important to notice KTM bikes are powerful so they are fragile as many others premium bikes. Thats why you need to put the best oil, the best gas on it, to make the engine and all of the machine last long. If you dont do it, it will die bit by bit. You will face some issues. One of it is the suddenly blackout. They will need to change parts until they find what part is damaged, but if you keep filling it with the wrong oil or gas, it will keep dying. Put the right oil, and the best quality of gas on it. Also, cause india is dusty, is better constantly clean your bike in and out cause dust also ruin the engine.
Hi MSK it's a common issue in KTM. I have faced this issue for almost 2 years now it is solved. Don't go for high octane oil. And avoid any kind of Indian oil petrol. It will be solved.❤
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Broo apki bike ka spark plug and uska cable change karwa lo ! I highly feel apka prob slove ho jayega ..coz even i was facing the same problem with my new honda hiness
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Battery ka issue hai bhai. Change karwalo aur koi problem nahi hoga. Showroom se battery ta issue hone se nahi batate woh log. Khud se karwa lo showroom pe baat karke,problem solve ho jaena. Love from Murshidabad,West Bengal ❤❤
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Sirji as i m watching you videos about ktm duke 390 stops in running. Tell your service center to check the throttle body. May be there is an issue of air intake. If throttle body can't control the intake are in ideal condition. Motorcycle would stop in running. Sorry if for tuti futi English 😊
Assalam Walekum... Bro,dont worry... meine v jab dominar 400 bs4 new model 1st batch liya tha, tab v same problem mujhe v face karne pade thi but after software update sab thik hogaya...i think it due to software issue.
MSK bhai just get your clutch switch checked same issue was there with my adventure post changing the cluth switch it worked fine. It has nothing to do with QS+
Hi @MSK,
I have faced this exact issue with my duke 200 bs6.
Service centre first replaced spark plug, cleaned throttle boddy and also they changed some sensor on the throttle body. But none of them solved the stalling issue.
Finally after dropping mails to Ktm india and checking with service centre, they replaced my whole throttle body. This has finally solved the issue.
My bike was under warranty and thus it did not cost me anything.
Hope you see my comment and this really helps.
Faced the same issue on my 390 BS6, complained numerous times but they couldn’t figure it out, it was really dangerous during highway rides, thought gen 3 would be better but it’s disappointing to see the same problem.
What's the issue?
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Msk Bhai 14:27 pe 6th gear mae 30 ki speed hogi toh meri 2nd Gen 390 bhi stall kar jati hai❤❤may be this bike needs specific gears in specific speeds ❤️and bhai cold start karne pe 1-2 try mae hi start hoti hai meri 390..may be yeh sab ktm ka problem hai...btw love your vlogs bhai ❤
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the bike is stalling maybe also because you're in a higher gear,..??
try downshifting and keeping the revvs up?
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I think the bike is stalling as you are on low speeds at higher gears which is the problem in the newer 390s... you have to be at right gear at right speed I guess...
Vo saalon se bike chala rahe hai
Superbikes se leke chooti bikes bhi chalaya hai unhone
I guess itna to unko bhi pata hoga ki kab kitne speed me kaun sa gear par rehna hai
Abe chu tiyo uske pass BMW TIGER XPULSE RAIDER hai usko bbike chalana sikhara hai
I think this guy is right bro
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Really jb comments m tum logo ko abuse kr rhe ho to sach m kese hoge tum
I m sry for ur family tht they hav a son like u
N for ur children that they will have dad like u
Sorry brother app bas bhaut jada dhuki rahoge jindgi maine
@@officially_saifbaki bike m torque jda hota h
But I'm ktm bike it always had this stalling problems
I just got one. I have faced 3 stalls in 200kms of riding but noticed once i filled 97octane fuel off a reputed pump the bike has not stalled even once..this may be due to bad fuel n dirt particles clogging up inside.
As u r influencer and a big name KTM is giving u good service as to keep there to avoid negative impact but what about common people
MSK bhai thank u Aurangabad aane ke liye aur hame kidmat ka mauka dene ke liya
Bola chala maaf aur aapko bohat sara pyaar
Fir se mouka mile to aana Aurangabad ❤️
Allah aapki saari jayaz khwaisho ko pura 🤲🏻
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This problem is a problem for ECU flash files.ECU can't communicate properly with injectors very common in Bajaj and ktm. Like Royal Enfield high rpm problem was seen some time ago. The only solution would be to bring in a new model of ECU like Royal Enfield was coming up with
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Tyre ki lyf vgera wo sab thik hai lekin concrete ke roads jaldi tut te nahi yahi sabse bda advantage hai
Bhai kya gen 2 wala duke discontinued hogya kya 😭😭😭
Bro .... Looks ke liye konsa duke Lena chaiye old / new 🙂
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Lol I don't need to filth like you as we don't like bhagwa gandutva randical fringe swine 😂😂😂
You are such an a$$hole bro😂😂
Every person can be a true Indian for you just if he satisfies your criteria 😂😂
Who TF do you think you are to consider him a true Indian?
Bt बोलते समय औरंगाबाद ही बोला उसने😒😡
😂bt u cant be truly indian accept Aurangabad
He never mentioned Sambhaji Nagar in his vlog
Gadi stall hone ka issue gadi ke engine idle speed ki wajah se ho sakta hai. Previous generation Duke 390 ka idle speed 2000rpm ke paas tha. Aur abhi jo latest duke hai uska idle 1500rpm ke paas hai. Toh jub sudden throttle band karte hai toh rpm 1500 se bhi niche chala jaata hai. Ye wajah ho sakti hai bike stalling ki.
Mobile mount is of which make/brand?
Ek bari side stand ka magnet 🧲 check karva lena bro
Bro change the spark plug to NGK iridium spark plug you won't be having this issue and try to fill 100 octane fuel in your bike will give you good performance and power with clean combustion
I got a gen 2 390 in May this year and I am also facing this issue. Suddenly bike turns off while going 60+. No solutions yet
Bhai fuel pump me problem hai... Ye warranty out hone tk ye problem nai btayenge
Is this bike gave more mileage than old 390 bhai ??
Please do check the IAC sensor if you bike has it.
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Some of the batches do face stalling issues but you are below 50kmph in 6th gear..also it's a high compression engine with 398cc..
steep expectations
Msk bhai all the new generation ktm 390 ka engine has a very bad low torque, so maintain 4000-4500 rpm at every gear and while changing gear maintain a rpm of 5000. While cold start wait for the ECU to fully switch on then start your bike for cold start. Bike key on karte hi ek sound aayega ECU start hone ka and jab woh sound click karega tab start karna.
I have an ADV 390 and faced these same problems in my bike,so when I changed my riding style the problems got solved. Specially KTM 390 engines need to be ridden on high RPM as it has a very low torque. These problems were faced after 2020 changes to the 390 engines. Please make ride plan towards rourkela sometime MSK bhai..
Love you Bhai
Thank you.
Your Biggest Fan
From Rourkela, Odisha
Msk bhai also use fuel cleaner sometimes.
🎉
What is different between Ktm duke 390 and 390 pro ?
White Topping (cement road) is done because it lasts long than asphalt but main reason is not that. The reason is corruption. To lay an asphalt road of 1km it costs around 40-60L now but 1km of White topping costs 8 crores, so larger share of commission. I got the 8 crore quote from Bengaluru roads quotation itself. These white topping roads dont have much grip like asphalt roads and the politicians can again make money on these white topped roads by ridges contract (the grip ridges wear out very fast on these so a contract has to be floated again to create new ridges or roughness on these roads), so more commission to these politicians. If doubt please search the BBMP(Bengaluru Municipality) things on this.
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this is the reason why first lot bikes should not be purchased. It is better to wait for few months so that we can clearly understand the positive sides and issues or problems that arise in the bikes especially KTMs. So i would suggest everyone for deciding whether to buy or not after next lot models arrive or wait for few months before making final decision to buy the bike.
Hi MSK this chetan crhobbies youtube I have also parched ktm250 adv the same problem I also face battery drained in ew bike 1Month I am yous nitrogen air in my bike
Cement road specially for heavy duty vehicles movement. Because tarmac road not long lasting bacause the heavy weight of htv's.
ye same problem ns 200 m v aya tha sir iska tps sensor kharab hogya h usko change krligiye uske baad chaka chak ho jaigi
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Its a clucth sensor issue. Its located in clutch lever Bottom side
Same problem Gen 2 BS VI 390 Duke k sath bhi hain, and I'm facing the same problem from the date of purchase (July 2020 - 1st lot of BS VI Gen 2 390 Duke) till now, mainly the cold start issue I need to crank for 3-4 times now before it took 2 cranks. I want to see the solution. Love from Kolkata ❤ MSK❤🔥✌🏻
Is it a malfunction of ride by wire ?
@@shovanroy99 no brother it’s something else. Every diagnosis has been done.
@@duker390 Okay...I hope it would get better...
The gear ratios are shorter than the older version resulting in less highway cruising speeds
I think the stalling might be due to high gear at low soeeds. Try riding at lower gears at lower speeds.
Yes I am watching his speed and gear 6th gear on 60 speed 😅
Exactly what I observed! lower cc segment bikes stall on high gears n low speed.
Bike bnd hone ka reason. Battery current ni ho skta kbhi bhi.petrol aur air combustion engine spark plug ke pass ache se ni hota tb hota lekin usse phle fuel injector ki cleaning bhi part hota.steps yi hai phle fuel injector then spark current and mixing of air and petrol thats it.
I am a technical guy so i knew this but somehow ktm wouldnt rectify..just they check out battery..they doesnt understand that why its happening.
There is a problem with rpm u have to set perfect rpm than it will not cut off it is happen with my r15
New E20 bikes having this problem. Same issue with dominar 400 E20
Bhai yeh bike ko leker mountain slope ride pe toh bohut dikkat hoga rider ko slope k chdhai pe
Bhai 6 gears me bike kee speed 20 rkhenga toh band hee hoyengi bike
It's an ecu update issue same with RE was there in 2021 batch but they fixed it service center guys needs training to fix it
Hello sir aap se mil k bahut acha laga lekin aap se bahut kuch baate karni thi lekin kuch Karan wo ho nahi paya inshallah next time fir milenge ❤
Idling issue are present in almost all bs6 bikes above 300cc.
Jio 5g aane k bad bhai tumra vlog b jio ki tarah ek no 😅
Me 2 3 video me ye missing ka problem dekh liya mene i think kuch toh dikkat h check spark plug and its fitting once
so how long do we wait for ??
Vai gen2 relunch hoga keya😢😢😢😢
Spark plug me current continue nhi jaa rhi h uski waje se off ho ri h
Hello sir.. mene bhi ktm duke 390 2024 kharidi hai.. mene bike jyada to chalai nahi pr bar bar band hoti hai.. mujhe apse baat krni thi.. me bhi mumbai se hu. Pls reply
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Loved it bro !
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Sambhaji Nagar konsa gaon hai bhai
It's Aurangabad bro
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bhai bike ka spark plag change karwado ya clean karwa do pls
MSK bhai tum na BMW GS 1300 lo . You have to wait for a while. It's a good bike . Go for it . Not for any other .
I had faced a similar issue with my new duke 250. It was fixed with a sensor replacement (around the engine). I'm not sure but it was called some TPS sensor
Pls look this speed and gear, high gear with low speed 😅
Bro koi aur bhi problem hai kya new duke 250 m coz I’m planning to buy
9:45 the way he talked like reporter and I want same like this other time also while describing about something
Sir I saw you with 6th gear on 60 speed and 4th gear on 20 speeds 😅?
Bro mujhe music bahut pasand h yah wala plz kaha se download kru ajanta ceps aala
My Himalayan had similar issue, RE replaced the fuel fuse and issue sorted just like that.
Msk bhai dominated 400 buy karlo bahut hi beast bike hai sound bhi shaandar ❤hai❤
its not electrical, its important to notice KTM bikes are powerful so they are fragile as many others premium bikes. Thats why you need to put the best oil, the best gas on it, to make the engine and all of the machine last long. If you dont do it, it will die bit by bit. You will face some issues. One of it is the suddenly blackout. They will need to change parts until they find what part is damaged, but if you keep filling it with the wrong oil or gas, it will keep dying. Put the right oil, and the best quality of gas on it. Also, cause india is dusty, is better constantly clean your bike in and out cause dust also ruin the engine.
We love Msk and I’m from Mysore wen you say Mysore I’m so happy
Visited Ellora and Ajanta caves but due to weather being too hot and humid couldn't see the majestic place properly.
Hi MSK it's a common issue in KTM. I have faced this issue for almost 2 years now it is solved. Don't go for high octane oil. And avoid any kind of Indian oil petrol. It will be solved.❤
Bhai jo dekh nahi sakte wo pad kese sakte hai kindly explain. @msk
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Dil se bura lagta hain jab vlog itna hardworking aur informative ho aur aap youtube trend ki wajah se catchy tittle thumbnail ki chakkar me aisa kuch karna pare.
I just wish ki ye trend khatam ho bus.
Baki sab toh barhia rehta hi hain ❤
Durga puja in Kolkata 1time experience karo bro . ❤
Broo apki bike ka spark plug and uska cable change karwa lo ! I highly feel apka prob slove ho jayega ..coz even i was facing the same problem with my new honda hiness
Hi msk bhai ....
Ek bar clutch switch replace karke dekhna ...hope so aapka
problem thik ho jayga
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I think it's an electronic issue like an ecu parameter or ignition coil or ignition timing
Thank you for sharing genuine experience with this bike otherwise even i am also planning for same bike😂😂
First stock 390 mere dost ne liya hai usme same issue agaya hai. Itna paisa dalne se acha hai wait karo yeah dusre brand dekho.
Bro which batch bike we need to buy 2 or 3rd batch bike
Battery ka issue hai bhai. Change karwalo aur koi problem nahi hoga. Showroom se battery ta issue hone se nahi batate woh log. Khud se karwa lo showroom pe baat karke,problem solve ho jaena. Love from Murshidabad,West Bengal ❤❤
Can u tell me what was the problem...because I don't understand hindi that much🙂🫂
Bhai iska thortel body clean krwao manual theek ho jayegi just a suggestion ek baar krwa kar dekhna new bike hain fir bhi
Bro, u were at 23 Kmph at 6th Gear!! i don't see why the bike won't stall?
Starting me jo Glimps of the vlog likha rehta he konsa font me he koi bol sakta he kya
Bhaisaaab kya aawaz msk Bhai.. kya Sur lagaya, dil mange more.
Check relay or plug
Bhaiya ap youtuber ho or pahechante sab isi lia baki ktm servise me bhot problems hote he Bhai
Baki baten ek taraf.. teri bike.. tere problem.. teri life.. teri duniya.. sab thik hai.. we all accepted you the way you are. we loved you more than one can ask, and we admired you. You appreciated you and the only reason behind this love that we gave you is that we felt you are a nice and genuine guy.. pr mereko bata ki agar tu ruk kar uss bike wale ye bas ye puch leta ki bhai tu kaisa hai, jyada chot wot to nhi lagti ya ye ki mai kuch kar sakta hu kya tere liye to bhai tera kya bigad jata.. imagine uski jagah par tu hai aur tujhe puchne wala koi nhi.
@ MSK, the reason of stalling your bike is ,you are riding at 6 th gear at 23kmph. Keep your gear as per your speed.
Us kaatoree me Godzilla chai tost khata hoga 😂
Sirji as i m watching you videos about ktm duke 390 stops in running.
Tell your service center to check the throttle body. May be there is an issue of air intake. If throttle body can't control the intake are in ideal condition. Motorcycle would stop in running.
Sorry if for tuti futi English 😊
Remembering the same few years back when you bought the 2nd gen 390 1st lot 😂😂
Air Vacuum ki problem hogi beach mai petrol cap open karna
Sir battery connection ekbar khol k phir lagaiye thik ho jayega 100%
Check your kill switch. It must have got water emerged,
Love from your hometown kolkata
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Assalam Walekum...
Bro,dont worry...
meine v jab dominar 400 bs4 new model 1st batch liya tha, tab v same problem mujhe v face karne pade thi but after software update sab thik hogaya...i think it due to software issue.
Bike thoda running hojane do...fir sab clear hojayega..
MSK bhai just get your clutch switch checked same issue was there with my adventure post changing the cluth switch it worked fine. It has nothing to do with QS+