How do people crack coins out of PCGS and NGC holders for resubmission.
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- I’ve had a few people ask how I crack coins out of holders. I don’t have a safe way- just my way- WARNING: can cause damage. Thanks for the question Scott! Please comment and if you have a method- please share. Thanks for watching!
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A seven-minute video boils down to this: Hit it with a hammer.
Life’s greatest lesson.
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Excellent directions to how to break a coin out of a slab cleanly. I went 4/4 today, without a scratch to any of the coins. Thank you!
The way I crack out a coin out of any holder is by wrapping it in a cloth (clean towel or t-shirt) and placing it in my 6-inch bench vice. I slowly tighten until I hear it pop or crack, then feel if it broken open or loose enough I can finish it the rest of the way. Coin stays put and I don’t damage the coin in any way. It beats all the other methods. I’d still wrap them in a cloth of some sort with the other methods. It will save your eyes even if you wear goggles. 👍🏼
Excellent advice!
Great video! Coins that are over-graded stay in their holders. Those that are under-graded are often cracked from their holders and sent out for re-grading. This is where the CAC stickers can help buyers from purchasing "lemons" for the grade when the buyer lacks expertise in distinguishing the nuances of upper grades, such as for uncirculated Morgan dollars.
One of the better approaches I’ve seen. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I'm glad it was helpful.
You simply amazed me Ben
When I saw you with that hammer I was thinking no...no...no...my friend.However you delivered ! THANK YOU. I ALSO want to compliment YOU ON LEARNING US ENTHUSIASTS ON THE HOLDER OF THE BEAUTY INSIDE IT. THANK YOU BECAUSE I LEARNED THIS PAST WEEK THAT NYC IS SEALING THEIR PRODUCT TO PERFECTIONISM! MUCH APPRECIATED VIDEO. ( unbelievable when I saw a hammer and the Morgan) SMILE. GREAT JOB ❤
Excellent! I've come to this page because i have a few coins to break out...freedom! thanks for sharing
Thank you🙏Simple hack that actually works! I followed along and by the time the video was done my coin was out of the case! Happy holidays to you and yours!✨🎄
I want to thank you Ben for the great advice. Today at the shop we had a silver dollar in an NGC holder that was graded Spot Removed AU details. None of us could see what they were talking about, so it was decided to remove the coin. I've tried it in the past and it was a messy procedure. This time I took it outside to the sidewalk and hit it lightly on the edges just as you did and the the two sides separated perfectly without breaking. The white interior holder came out and the coin was retrieved without any damage whatsoever. UA-cam rocks.
What happened when you re-submitted?
I use bolt cutters. They work great, of course protected glasses are a must!
Great video with great tips. Thanks for sharing!
thanks,...it worked just as you discribed
I tried it and it worked great! Thanks for the info.
Useful, thank you. Can you also create a video on how to open the 80’s & 90’s mint set (hard plastic) holder.
BTW, I've used a chop saw to cut off the end and a screwdriver in the gap, and that worked very easy without any possible damage to the coin.
Loving the channel. Keep up the good info
Thanks. I appreciate the subscription and will keep working on it!
Thanks for the info, thought of that but didn't know how well that technique would work. Great!
Thanks for the question. I'm glad the video was informative.
There’s a guy in Colo. Springs who makes a device called the Slab-Slicer.... it cleanly and quietly cuts the slab on its sides. They’re made to order. Btw, PCGS stopped using those rings a while back. Their new slabs are the most fire resistant in the industry.
Thanks for the helpful video.
New to collecting and have not
Bought any graded coins yet.
Looks a little risky to damaging a coin. 👍🏻
Just the video information I was looking for if I ever need to crack open a slab.
I was considering using a Dremel with a small cutting blade and cut around the edge. The old primitive method worked well. 🙂
That's what I was thinking about using too I would think that it would be safer. What if you hit it with the hammer and the coin falls out, they can't get scratched on the cement or the iron beam and also in may get damaged with the hammer
Hello. Does a chipped coin slab affect the value of it at all? Can it reduce the price at all, or it doesn’t matter? What about scratches and cracks as well? The coin intact, it’s the slab/holder condition only that I am talking about. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
I cracked out a bunch of PCGS sample silver FDR dimes by putting the slab inside a kid's sock to prevent flying pieces, then clamping the edges in a vise and slowly tightening down until the slab "popped". That might not work so well for larger coins like silver dollars, however, since the rim of the coin is much closer to the edges of the slab.
Excellent tutorial.
I want to crack out the 2 1/2 oz 2019 liberty is there anything to keep in mind with something that big? thanks
Ahhh the ol hammer and beat the tar out out of it method still prevails. 🤗
Caveman version was with rock!
Lol 😂
Thank you! I tried to open one every other way but then I googled it and found your video and smashed the holder with a hammer and it worked!
Fantastic!
Hello Mr. Coin geek, thanks for sharing these,
how about a video on how to remove coins from the concrete?( coins as a design in a cement doorstep) 😂
one of our coin has been removed by a stranger without us noticing when or how, so I'm planning to take the 2 left in front of our gate,
Thanks! Have a nice day!
thanks for sharing sir,i use a small plastic shot filled dead blow hammer it works well.
excellent video Im glad you made this one.
That was cool thanks for sharing.
Question. An action as simple as wiping can cause hairline fractures. Would the force of the hammer and anvil do the same to the coin?
Have you ever resubmitted and has come back with a lower grade? Is that the chance you take? Does one company usually give a better grade than the other co.? Thanks
who installed your electrical socket upside down?
I'd like to take credit for that...
@@TheCoinGeek Okay then. subscribed/liked
Doesnt that mean thats the outlet that works with the light switch?
@@mainegus9984 Not sure Keanu, I'm not a licensed electrician, but you may have a point there.
Usually, yes if the outlet is on a switch then we put them upside down. Mostly done in older houses but I work in older apartments. There is a reason!
I've been collecting now for 4+ years. I use flips, slabs, Whitman folders and Capital holders. What's your take on these forms of holders & should I stop using any of them please? Also great informational vids!!!
Good job! Why the companies of slabs still not introduce the crack-line for easy opening process?1.Some coins I can't buy without slabs,but not collect ones in caskets on!2.Why should I trust them?
DEAR BEN. I REFUSE TO CRACK OUT A COIN? I BELIEVE IN MY HEART THAT ONLY THE (PCGS..NGC..ANACS) SHOULD ATTEMPT THAT. I AM ONLY A LEARNED COIN ENTHUSIAST. HOWEVER....WATCHING COINHELPu understood me that if you are buying a cracked out case maybe someone put another coin of that year in it. ? No expert here. THANK YOU for sharing. Greatly appreciated my friend ❤
It's perfectly fine to let the professionals crack them out. Most of the modern cases shatter when opening, but not all of them. Thanks for watching.
Any idea what I can do if I have a GSA holder with a crack in it? Do you know if I get it graded would it be marked down for a cracked holder? Thanks
Do PCGS and NGC use the same technique to crack open the slabs and reholder them, or do they use machinery specifically made for the purpose? I just bought a PCGS graded coin, but the coin is not well centered. The prongs didn't keep it in place, and the coin has slid a couple of mills out, so the reverse is basically touching the lid of the slab. Perhaps it's not a big deal, but it bothers me. I'd like to send it back to PCGS for reholdering, but I'm afraid that in cracking open the slab they might damage the coin. It's a FS MS70PL. What would you do? I've read comments of people send mint condition coins to PCGS and receiving them back damaged.
Simple, yet effective.
Although many people forget to do this, when we break out a coin from such a holder, we have a civic duty to report the identification numbers of the coin to both the service that had graded it and the service to which we are resubmitting it to. Already, population numbers are excessive because people have not been doing this.
For anyone opening newer anacs slabs i notice prying the fron off woth a knife works well. theres a slit at the top of the case.
why would you send the coin to NGC VS PCGS? IF i have coins to grade where should i send them to grade?
Sorry. Hit the send by mistake... my question is is it worth cracking open the plastic slab taking it out and cleaning it with the aluminum boiling water and baking soda. I’ve seen gold coins clean like this and they come out nicely but... is it worth cracking open and cleaning it or would you just leave it as is? I’ve also heard that if you leave it in there sometimes Rust doesn’t matter... it’s just the nature of the beast if air gets in the plastic.So in your opinion, would you crack it open or would you just leave it in the PCGSMS 69 plastic slab
I agree with your first comment, and I would leave it as is. It is very hard or unlikely to get them to upgrade modern coins from MS69 to MS 70. Thanks!
I wrap the slab in a wash cloth. I put down a cement brick on top of the cement floor in my garage. I then strike the slab much the same as you. The cloth will prevent injury from flying debris.
I've bagged them in the past..I guess somewhere along the line I just preferred cleaning up shards of plastic! :)
@@TheCoinGeek maybe because you get to deal with the fruits of your labor??
Theres always a chance of victory!
Makes sense especially with the heat around ur way never thought about that
For some reason this made me laugh. Bit ridiculous situation haha.
Nice technique 👌🏾
I would never expect to be talking about I beams on a numismatic channel...
Me neither 😂
Can you just re-submit the coin in the old holder? Why does it need to be cracked out - does the old grade influence the new one in some way?
Yes you can resubmit in the old holder, and yes it influences the grader. Cracking it out is a bit of a game when you hope to get a coin upgraded in a higher grade holder. It's a gamble.
Yes, glad to see someone else with a hammer. My biggest thing is rushing when I do it so the vid isn't so long
I’ve never cracked one out, but if you have a vise, wrap in a rag, and compress in a vice.
For me not beeing able to touch a coin is a deal breaker. That's why I'm not interested in (modern) coins where this is an issue. If I bought a coin in a slab I would crack it without thinking twice. Thanks for the tutorial :)
Thanks help me where I can sell it
I have 2 1/10oz gold coin’s arriving this week from an unknown grader that im going to remove out of the slabs… i will try this method
Very god with the coins ! On a psychological note you can injury yourself or you family , you can only damage a coin . Thanks for the tip .
Great advice. I always wear safety glass' and gloves cause the will be flying.
Good plan!
@@TheCoinGeek hi friend
i have one cent 1943 no mint mark
don't stick a magnet
diametre 19 mm
brown
i want graded pcgs can help me
Hey man! I'm just getting into coins and have been doing my research, can you recommend some good forums for reading and possibly some good websites for buying? I'm currently looking into Morgan Silver Dollars, but would also like to get into early American coinage but I'm sure I can afford it 😆Cool channel man, I just subscribed! Cheers!
Just curious about your opinion... I have a PCGS 2005 gold 1,10 oz Eagle MS 69. No personally I believe anything under MS 70 is just bouillon. With that in mind the gold coin has quite a bit of rust on it. No my question is
Probably the copper color
Great info Ben sorry I'm late !!
As they say - Better late than never!
I will try your method. I have been using a hydraulic press.
Not everyone has a hydraulic press ! :)
Have you seen the PBS Frontline documentary A DIAMOND EMPIRE which explores how diamonds became a valuable commodity despite having no intrinsic value?
ANACS, and NGC I use this method for PCGS I use a dremel with a diamond bit and just go whoever's so slightly around the center outside edge they generally pop fairly easily after that I don't do the hacksaw and I sure don't use pliers but a Dremel with a diamond bit works perfect for me
Does that make a lot of plastic dust that might get on the coin?
@@davidho2977
Not really because of the ring and it's still sealed
Can you show me how to open an ANACS holder?
Nice video
I’m thinking just cut off the top part with the grade/info and resubmit still incased.
And they will send it right back to you. There are specific guidelines for coin submission, and that isn't one of them.
I use a chop saw. One cut across the top and then pry it open by hand.
I have a 1910 St Gaudens 20 .00 gold coin slabbed I bought many years ago and always wondered if the cases could be open . I would love to hold the coin in my hand before I'm dead and pass it on but everyone says oh no you'll damage the coin with the oils in your hands and it will lose value. Well I'm still wanting to hold it one time in my hands and feel it without having to admire it through plastic.
What is the grade on the slab?
@@TheCoinGeek MS62
You only live once! Hold the coin! It will still sell regardless
Interesting video. I was reading a book by Scott Travers, called: 'The Coin Collector's Survival Manual' that talks about this method. It further suggests that as many as 20% of all graded coins wind up being cracked open and resubmitted. So this sort of thing (if accurate) really can askew the POP reports.
I saw on the PCGS site that when you crack a coin out, you're supposed to send them the old holder so they can adjust the population report and the database. They also say that people don't always do that, and there's no way to police them.
Why would u not use a dremel with small saw blade to cut out the edge of the case. I use this and it works great! Beats banging on it with possibility to destroy grade. Just food for thought.
Great question - the most likely answer is that you don't want me near anything with a motor in it! Let alone a saw. I may try it sometime as I know dealers who use it - But the horror stories I've heard are from dealers that did it that way...but that may just be coincidence. Thanks for the comment.
Can anyone help me!? I'm new to coin collecting and I just purchased quite a pricy coin in a NGC holder. I'm thinking of breaking the case to take the coin out so I can display it in a cool coin display case I found. Just wondering first off will this lower the value of my coin considerably? Secondly I'm worried when I try to pull the coin out after the plastic outer layer is removed, will it get damaged from pushing it through the four arms that hold the coin in the centre? My coin is a silver Alexander the Great, Ancient Greek coin. Thinking of getting a gold one also and doing the same. Thoughts anyone? Thanks for the advice!
Technically you won't lower the value of the coin because it's the same coin. You'll lower your ability to sell the coin for what it's worth considerably. And that's best case scenario because you can also easily damage the coin taking it out, even by handling it, dropping it, losing it, soiling it or whatever. That coin is certified (authenticated as real) and professionally graded. The newer NGC holders are awesome. It's the best way to show, store or display your coin.
@@fifteenbyfive I am late to the party, but NCG doesn't authenticate ancients. The other thing about ancients is that most collectors handle their coins. I know I do. Holding something people used 2,000 years ago is hard to describe. I just got my first two that are encapsulated and found this video so I can get them safely out of their prisons. I find them much harder to view when encapsulated, as well. That can have a lot to do with size, thickness, irregular shapes and difficulty of reading legends on some heavily toned or worn coins. I know modern coin collectors are much more concerned with grading than ancient collectors, but we all like a well struck coin. I do understand why modern coins are sent for professional grading. I am not sure I am comfortable with this hammer method. LOL.
@@virgilhuston8328 NGC certifies ancients. I don't collect such coins but I do know that.
Putting in a soft jaw vice seems less risky to me. Each side could be tweaked with the vice instead of the hammer strikes.
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You cab use a dremel!! Or use an anvil.. but the dremel.. would work the best!!
If you're resubmitting an NGC slab to PCGS, for example, why not just let PCGS do the cracking? Why risk damaging the coin yourself?
Sending a coin in in the holder biases the grading company against the grade of the coin.
Your welcome
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Please invest in a bench and a vice.
Set holder on opposing corners and slowly turn handle
You will not even be able to feel the holder in there, it's just gonna crack right down the line
then re-set it on the other corners if you need.
I cracked an 1826 half out of a PCGS XF45 and resubmitted it to PCGS and got an AU55.
Why do it and resubmit it?? That's my question.
I'd be curious to see a SEGS slab crack out. Those I read are really difficult. I submitted a coin to them that Details graded because it was spotted. I think they made a bad call on that one as it wasn't that distracting, it wasn't corrosive or eating away at the metal and it wasn't artificial toning either.
I would never waste my time or money submitting to SEGS, PCI, and other no-names. ICG is great and conservative on some denominations, but they don't bring the money like NGC or PCGS, in my experience. As for cracking out, I've used the hacksaw to cut a corner and a large flathead screwdriver to pop the holders open by twisting it around the edges once there's some separation.
I use a pair of pliers and nibble round it......works well.
Especially on the new PCGS holders- since they have redesigned the holders in more recent years .
I put mine in a vise ,and use a pair of water pump pliers.
Thanks for the tip, I'm going to get to banging, haha
NGC is smart when it comes down to situations like fire and heat, why don't PCGS think of that. Smart for NGC.
Why don't the manufacturers of the plastic cases design cases where the collecters/consumers could open and close the cases at their convenience?
Can we trust that the graded coin is the same coin in the case 10 years down the road...
Wait a second here, you give safely tips about gloves, but you don't wear them yourself...lol
If you pay to have it graded why bust them out and resend them just learning and still watching so much to coin collecting don't think I'll ever learn it all lol
Better off using a gd quality pair of sharp ceramic tile nippers less chance flying bits and a lot less noise
Okay, I just ordered a pair. We'll see how well they work. Hitting with a hammer just doesn't seem the way to go to me.
Tin snips?
I did try a pair of new ceramic tile nippers and it works, but it is a lot slower. You do have more control, though.
@@robertbrandywine 👍
@@peterslevin416 I went back to the hammer method. Noise isn't an issue for me.
I used a vise.
AAGH! There's so much risk to your coin that way. Why not just use a dremmel?
You didn't explain how to get the coin out of the inner ring.
Thanks for mentioning that. The coin can easily pop out of the inner ring, but don't touch the surface of the coin with your fingers, use some things inert.
@@TheCoinGeek thanks!
I always enjoy your videos and always upvote them but I must say you are a glutton for punishment. May I gently suggest that you take some ANA or even better PCGS sponsored grading classes? They are generally inexpensive compared to what you have spent on resubs. While I agree that some of these coins should get another chance, there are others where you are just asking for trouble. Thank you for all the entertaining videos, I look forward to them all.
Thanks for the kind words and the suggestions.
@@TheCoinGeek I just hate to see you so disappointed!
I live in Phoenix and in may (not even the hottest month) I was sanitizing my masks (when I believed in them) on my dash. With my IR thermometer it was reading 180°+
Cool but I'm not doing it.
Gawd, why risk damage. Just use a band saw
And lose another finger ! 😂
I wouldnt want PCGS plastic rings gassing up my coins.
I would never open the cases to my MS70 coins ever... Decreases coin value.
@Karen Coins are already graded fugly fugly Beotch. Wasting your time and money.......
@Karen whats your point dumb fuk? don't open already graded coins. POS
thats why I don't buy slabbed coins
doesn't worth whats paid for those.
Very carefully. Lol
Put on a vise and turn
This how I do mine